The Syndicate

So sorsha was not a Hutt then. Sorry sorsha...

Helpful Empire.

So Dharma did you intentionally not answer the question about whether you'd announce a faction being finished? I'm going to assume that unless you say that no, you would not, then that means that yes, you would.

Matt wrote:Rico, I haven't been commenting on them, but your posts actually opened the door for me to visit Cinema Sins on youtube. Good stuff. Haha.

Mac - Assuming you're civvie, nice work you're putting in. I think because the very first game I played with you, you were bad, it's hard for me to get that out of my head. But I do recall 3J saying you were one of the most formidable civs, so I take everything you say pretty seriously fyi.

I would hope so... It doesn't take much analysis to realise that what I'm posting isn't just hot scum garbage.

Last but not least I was thinking about the whole flavour here and it occurred to me that one of the central themes of Star Wars is about the dark side tempting good folk. There's gotta be a recruit in this flavour surely? Join the dark side etc.?

Palpatine probably has an ability to recruit people with midi-chlorians in their blood to the dark side. Wouldn't that be an obvious ability for him?

Oh another interesting one, aside from Roxy lynch... No idea on that one. MP has only voted for one other player aside from dead Hutts. And that is Glorfindel/Spacedaisy. Three times!

Those who know MP better than I can comment on that but yikes a scum voting for a civ on three separate days is very weird.

Other interesting observations:

Bass 2.0 has voted four times. Three of them were fucking self votes. The other was voting for Zebra.

Bubbles barely voted on the first half of the game but has voted in three consecutive lynches, all for counterwagons. Bullzeye today and Faraday on two consecutive times the previous two days.

Russ voted MP on day 1. His only vote on a scum. He's missed half the votes and hasn't been on one lynch wagon rightly or wrongly unless he voted Roxy because I don't have that poll. Golden did strongly infer he knew Russ wasn't bad though.

If it wasn't for Golden, Russ and Niju would both be suspects but as it stands he very strongly seemed to infer that they were his roguebuddies and since I pointed it out I've not seen any finger waving from possible Jawas to argue the point so I think it stands to reason.

Some explanations.

Faraday didn't have his vote on a scum until day 8 when he was on the successful MP wagon. He then voted on a successful wagon of Zebra. He wasn't part of any bussing/distancing that we know of for the first 7 days of the game. He doesn't look like he's got any agenda, or part of a team. His is the cleanest voter record.

Dom too bounced his vote around a bit early on. He doesn't look like he's voting as part of a strategy. He has subsequently been on three separate scum lynch wagons.

Bullzeye didn't distance vote Hutts at all, when he voted for them they got lynched. He also didn't play a part in what I perceive as an intentional strategy to get MP the most votes to get Golden lynched. His brazen defence of MP has the hallmarks of a wrong civ.

The rest kind of don't need elaborating on.

Based on vote analysis alone here's a rainbow.

DFaraday
Dom
Russ
Spacedaisy
Niju
Bullzeye
Canucklehead
Matt
Bass
Bubbles
Elo
Wilgy
Sorsha

It is really really really fucking excellent that the vote analysis backs up the thread reading that many of us have done on those bottom three players. Really fucking excellent.

Alrighty well I did a pretty comprehensive analysis of votes and my feeling is thus:

The Hutt's Voted In Packs, Distanced and Voted For Each Other Plenty
The Hutt's bussed bcornett when they could have lynched Zebra. Zebra voted for bcornett. Enrique held his vote. They made a decision to have bcornett lynched over Zebra imo. Sorsha and niju are living players who voted for bcornett. Sorsha as final Hutt stacking up.

The three dead Hutt's all voted together to get Bass lynched. Bass was tunneling Zebra early so it was probably due to them thinking he had role knowledge. Him being allowed back in the game indicates that is unlikely, but it is the only reason I can think of for all three of them voting him. Sorsha and Dom were on this wagon. The Hutt's seemed to have no qualms voting as a group, so Sorsha as Hutt again looking very likely.

On the day that MP was lynched over Zebra that resulted in Golden's mislynch, sorsha placed the last vote on Zebra. The following day her vote was on MP. Likely to be a distancing vote.

In light of the in thread evidence of distancing. Zebra calling Sorsha Salacious Crumb to her face. The odds are way in favour of her being the final Hutt. If she is not, Dom is a very unlikely possibility due to being on one of these team wagons, being first to remark about Sorsha being possibly Crumb. There is a possibility that he and Zebra concocted that strategy together, but far more likely Sorsha is Crumb. Canucklehead is also a possible Hutt for a different reason. In a game where we have lynched three of them Canuck has not had a vote on a Hutt once.

All in all the Hutts killed those who slighted them, bussed the fuck out of each other, distanced from each other. They were savage. Metalmarsh was killed after voting on two consecutive Hutt wagons. Half of Llama and Luke's votes were on Hutt's, they killed him. They savagely bandwagoned Bass after he voted heavily against them... I think all their aggression has come back to bite them. If you look at how they played, Sorsha fits perfectly as the final Hutt.

The Empire's Influence and Knowledge Is The Key
As for Empire. I think the best clue is in the MP mislynch that resulted in Golden's lynch. Initially I thought it was probably Leia that caused this, but I think it's more likely not the case. I think they knew it and I think there is one player this looks really bad for. DrWilgy.

Wilgy voted on the MP wagon that resulted in Golden's demise, and then didn't follow up with an MP vote the next day, favouring the counterwagon. If he was okay with an MP lynch one day, why did he not vote for him on the day he was actually at risk of being lynched? He is the most likely to be Empire.

I also think it is possible that the Empire have a role that identifies opposition scum. Flavour wise, this isn't a stretch, and in saying that neither is the lynch swap. Dark side force is all about mind control, sensing the darkness within etc. MP has a very curious amount of Hutt votes. He voted Enrique 3 out of the first 4 days and then also voted Zebra well before Zebra was outed. If this is true then Elohcin's FIVE Hutt votes look very strange. Coupled with her voting away from the MP wagon on the day he was lynched as Darth Vader. She is a very strong Empire candidate.

So?
Tomorrow if we want to mop up the Hutts look no further than Sorsha.

If we want to start taking shots at the Empire, Elo or Wilgy. Based on what they're doing in the game, Wilgy is more Stormtrooper, Elo more Palpatine...

Sorsha was part of that CFD too.

Interestingly Zebra's flip confirms that the Hutt's bussed bcornett at least partially.

The Roxy lynch poll is missing from the polls thread mods. Do you or does anyone have it?

Mods can you please update the role lists and stuff? At least with who is dead and on what day/how?

Just looking the only thing I can think of is that Elohcin's consistent attempt to vote Zebra is info related and perhaps Golden picked up on that. Doesn't make her civ, just makes her not Hutt... Which doesn't help because she really does look Emp.

Scratch that, I really doubt Dom and Zebra were teammies. Just read back a bit and Dom was way too sincere towards her in the thread. And she was really aggressive towards him and both of them came across genuine.

No, I think Sorsha is the Hutt.

Did the mods ever answer that they would say if a team was defeated?

Bullz and Wilgy are both very likely to be Empire imo. Elohcin also. Spacedaisy possible but not so much. Bass could be too but his ISO is very weak. Bullzeye's defense was full of holes, Wilgy has never bothered defending himself at all. Elohcin hasn't either but I recall Golden suggesting that he had reason to believe Elo was trustworthy. Why don't you have a crack at finding that breadcrumb. He did say to try and figure it out, which I did but couldn't.

Sorsha is most likely the last Hutt but I find it possible that Dom is and the whole Zebra thing was orchestrated to put distance between them and to make Sorsha look like the patsy.

Fairly comfortable that everyone else is indy or civilian.

Looking at MPs interactions with Bass and Wilgy would be fruitful imo.

Matt wrote:Rih Zeebs. Stop getting yourself killed, eh?

Mac - Lol @ your Wilgy post. I agree he should be looked at, but why shouldn't we look at you? Why isn't anyone looking at Mac? I think at one point you tell MP and Zebra that all three of you are civs and all the baddies are lying low. You one of their teammates?

Okay Matt. Go for it.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DFaraday wrote:If the Hutt team isn't eliminated (and I doubt they are), it's just odd that Zebra would essentially destroy the Hutts' chances like that. But yeah, Sorsha is probably Crumb.

Or that's what Zebra intended for us to think...

But THAT'S what Zebra wanted us to think...

Heh. Yeah.

DFaraday wrote:If the Hutt team isn't eliminated (and I doubt they are), it's just odd that Zebra would essentially destroy the Hutts' chances like that. But yeah, Sorsha is probably Crumb.

Or that's what Zebra intended for us to think...

Russtifinko wrote:Goshdammit, I missed another poll. I am the worst. Good job getting Bib though.

Also, I second what DH said. No one should post anything about Force Awakens because there's a chance (however small) that I might read it.

Agreed.

Dom wrote:Would you look at that-- she lied about her role, and the team's not gone.

Indeed. Sorsha for Crumb then?

Bullzeye wrote:Just in case there are weird unpredictable shenanigans and I do end up dead, I think I've left enough to show who I think should be lynched next. To summarise: Zebra, Mac, Faraday, Bubbles, Daisy, Canuck, Bass. In something possibly resembling that order. Obviously they can't all be bad but those are my suspects. Now I'm going to bed like I should have done 3 hours ago.

You are pulling names out of a hat. You complained about there being no case on you but now you just named 7 players who you seem to have decided were scum based on 45 minutes of play. You can't be serious.

We missed an Empire lynch here mein civilians.

Wilgy gameplan:

Step 1. Draw scum rolecard.
Step 2. Play as obviously scummy as humanly possible.
Step 3. Not get lynched.
Step 4. Laugh at all of us.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok... I tried to look at the benefits you put forward here Mac, I really did. And I seriously entertained the idea, as much as I ever have before. Here is my hang up though. You are putting forward two benefits to keeping her around:

1. She may draw the Empire NK because they will fear her, thus sparing a civ

2. She may use her own kill to take out who is suspected as Empire.

Now here are my issues with these two things:

1. Who stands to gain the most from leaving her until the next day lynch? The empire, because she clearly is going to be one of the biggest vote earners, since she is even now on the chopping block. This could potentially buy them another day, I doubt they would use their kill on her unless she really has their number and they think there is a real chance she will kill them. That's a pretty big assumption in my book. Too big to risk a civ loss on.

2. This idea depends upon two things. First, if we can trust her (a confirmed baddie) to do what she says and use it to take out empire. And second, that she actually has an accurate knowledge of who the Empire is. For all we know she could be suspecting the wrong people.

We also have to take her at her word when she says she is the last one on her team. This could be an attempt to stall her own impending death by another cycle and hopefully buy another teammate an extra day.

All of this stuff requires we trust someone who has outed herself as bad. As nice as the idea to use her for our own purposes sounds, I have no reason to trust her enough to risk doing it. it comes down to vote a confirmed baddie or an unknown. I have to vote the confirmed baddie.

Voting zebra

Linki: I see I'm not alone in my assessment of this situation. Good to know.

Is it just me or is all this logic Spacedaisy makes here entirely reliant on her knowing Bullzeye isn't Empire?

Linki:

Wilgy: Uberscum.

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm...I'm tempted to vote Bullz because shenanigans. Also we can just lynch zebra tomorrow. Also I LOVE Canuck's posts today.

Go for it. It will be fun. A civ will die, but you'd make some people happy.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: Linki - I didn't take anything out of context. It was at least 50% a joke too.

No, you exactly did take it out of context. Like dictionary definition did that.

Nope. Context is all still there and anyone who wants to check can do so. All I did was point out something that looked funny and you got mad. But that's okay. Looks like I'm surviving today anyway so we can do all this again tomorrow.

Congrats.

I just hope that I do get lynched so you can see you were wrong and put so much force and effort into being wrong.

How petulant of you. You'd be horrible to play Monopoly with.

So outcomes:

Zebra just gets lynched as Hutt and we figure out whether there is still a Hutt team. Useful, happy days.

Zebra is playing some game with us and something bad is gonna happen...

I think the former is most likely, and am entirely happy with that outcome just sayin'.

Bullzeye wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm...I'm tempted to vote Bullz because shenanigans. Also we can just lynch zebra tomorrow. Also I LOVE Canuck's posts today.

Go for it. It will be fun. A civ will die, but you'd make some people happy.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: Linki - I didn't take anything out of context. It was at least 50% a joke too.

No, you exactly did take it out of context. Like dictionary definition did that.

Nope. Context is all still there and anyone who wants to check can do so. All I did was point out something that looked funny and you got mad. But that's okay. Looks like I'm surviving today anyway so we can do all this again tomorrow.

Congrats.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok... I tried to look at the benefits you put forward here Mac, I really did. And I seriously entertained the idea, as much as I ever have before. Here is my hang up though. You are putting forward two benefits to keeping her around:

1. She may draw the Empire NK because they will fear her, thus sparing a civ

2. She may use her own kill to take out who is suspected as Empire.

Now here are my issues with these two things:

1. Who stands to gain the most from leaving her until the next day lynch? The empire, because she clearly is going to be one of the biggest vote earners, since she is even now on the chopping block. This could potentially buy them another day, I doubt they would use their kill on her unless she really has their number and they think there is a real chance she will kill them. That's a pretty big assumption in my book. Too big to risk a civ loss on.

2. This idea depends upon two things. First, if we can trust her (a confirmed baddie) to do what she says and use it to take out empire. And second, that she actually has an accurate knowledge of who the Empire is. For all we know she could be suspecting the wrong people.

We also have to take her at her word when she says she is the last one on her team. This could be an attempt to stall her own impending death by another cycle and hopefully buy another teammate an extra day.

All of this stuff requires we trust someone who has outed herself as bad. As nice as the idea to use her for our own purposes sounds, I have no reason to trust her enough to risk doing it. it comes down to vote a confirmed baddie or an unknown. I have to vote the confirmed baddie.

Voting zebra

Linki: I see I'm not alone in my assessment of this situation. Good to know.

There's the other issue... that Matt brought up too. Which has played a part in my thinking...

What if she's intentionally getting herself lynched?

Bullzeye wrote: Linki - I didn't take anything out of context. It was at least 50% a joke too.

No, you exactly did take it out of context. Like dictionary definition did that.

Bullzeye wrote:
If you were a civ? Okay.

This is the coup de grace really... You're definitely bad. You just took half a fucking sentence completely out of context to make me look bad in the middle of complaining about being misrepresented. Sorry, but that's just not acceptable.

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Furthermore if you're a civ I want you to get yourself out of it. You are literally in a lynch-off with a confirmed scum. You must be looking mighty scummy to have 6 votes on you dude, considering Empire would be hoping we lynch Zebra and Zebra can have no more than 1 teammate, you have a lot of civs on your wagon I can assure you of that.

I defend myself and you tell me I'm bad for defending myself but then tell me you want me to defend myself.

Not quite. I didn't say I want you to defend yourself. I said, "if you're a civ I want you to get yourself out of it." For someone who's so pissed about being misrepresented this is pretty hypocritical.

Now. Your defense amounts to waving your finger at your voters. Your answers to my questions is the first time you've defended many of those points.

You must admit it's pretty coincidental that you've got time to play when the lynch wagon is coming for you?

If I were a civ, and I was in a lynch off with a confirmed scum and somehow ahead on votes. I would probably be focusing more on convincing people of reasons to vote for the confirmed scum rather than chucking a hissy fit and calling everyone voting for me bad. I'd still be chucking a hissy fit no doubt.

Bullzeye wrote:*snip*
Seriously, there is almost no case on me whatsoever. *snip* Otherwise in a couple of hours you'll be asking yourself how anyone could possibly have been a part of such a crappy bandwagon.

It's comments like these that are the reason you have votes on you.

*5 votes

Yeesh

Furthermore if you're a civ I want you to get yourself out of it. You are literally in a lynch-off with a confirmed scum. You must be looking mighty scummy to have 6 votes on you dude, considering Empire would be hoping we lynch Zebra and Zebra can have no more than 1 teammate, you have a lot of civs on your wagon I can assure you of that.

*confirmed scum

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Lynch me next? Lmao. Okay.

You've twisted my words and tried to make it look like my opinions contradict one another when they don't. You said I tried to discredit a case and say people who believe it are stupid when the 'case' in question was clearly a joke. I can't think of a thing you've said about me that isn't super shady.

Bullzeye, Bullzeye...

You literally did the things I said you did. There is no misrepresenting. You did those things. Stop saying you didn't. I quoted posts that show that you did them. If you want to defend yourself tell me why you did those things, don't just try to claim that you didn't.

Why did you come into the thread half cocked saying that there's no reason not to lynch the confirmed townie when there was?

Why did you claim you'd read the posts when you hadn't?

Why did you cast your vote specifically to save MP?

Why have you all of a sudden been super active with the pressure on but apparently too busy to play the rest of the game?

Your inability to even entertain the points being raised against you are not a good look. Neither is just wildly pointing the finger at everyone voting for you. Especially myself. Stop rage-quivering and think about the situation. If you're a civ, you'll get yourself out of this.

Bullzeye wrote:And before you say I'm just NO Uing everyone, I also think DFaraday's vote is one of the shadiest in this game so far and he's probably bad too. Bass doesn't look spotless either.

What do you think of DFaraday's indie claim? Just reckon he's lying about that?

I'm glad we have encountered a scum who is putting up a fight though, that's fun.

Lynch me next? Lmao. Okay.

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Might I start by saying that Bullzeye voted off the MP wagon to, and I quote "save MP". Bullzeye has also been low lying lurky Bullzeye game long, replaced in Floyd who swapped out to go play Tree Mafia later.

Let's start.

Bullzeye wrote:I don't really see any reason not to *Vote Zebra* given she's all but confirmed bad at this point.

Bullzeye's day starts like this. After I had made pretty rational arguments for keeping Zebra around. To me, leaving Zebra alive as a lone confirmed Hutt (which does remain to be seen), is the most dangerous outcome for Empire. So I expected this response from an Empire. I expected a more reasoned approach (like Matt's, Dom's and others) from Civs.

Don't see how it's a dangerous outcome to the Empire specifically unless Zebra has grown psychic powers, but w/e. You're also basically saying I'm bad for disagreeing with you.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Why wouldn't we lynch a baddie? What do we gain from her staying alive?

This question indicates that he flatly hadn't read the thread but...

It indicates that I don't think I've seen a good enough argument to not lynch Zebra yet.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I have done. Obviously. I have read your argument for keeping her alive and wasn't convinced. I'm not entirely convinced she's really the last member of her team either. I'd rather lynch a confirmed baddie than risk a civ death. It's not a hard choice.

His next post, he's read the thread "obviously" completely which refutes his previous post. Asking what we have to gain, like there is nothing, to then saying yeah well I did read the points and I wasn't convinced is a complete disconnect in logic.

It isn't a disconnect if you're not fudging my meaning.

MacDougall wrote:Now rather than make rational arguments against his lynch. We get pearls like this...

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

snip

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Convinced me.

Of course it did.

The discredit begins. We're all stupid for entertaining it now.

Bear in mind that the argument I'm "discrediting" is:

Matt wrote: Vote Bullz. He's always bad even when he isn't.

Mac is trying to look like Matt put together a reasonable argument and I responded by saying shut up you're stupid. This is not what happened. I have never called anyone stupid for believing anything (though if you do think Matt made a solid argument there, I'm not going to call you a genius) and the rolleyes was intended to depict my sarcasm since Mac obviously wasn't convinced by Matt and was probably planning to vote me for at least several hours.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I actually think today's lynch has the potential to be really useful for the civs. I'm not the way to look - I've yet to hear any kind of real argument for why people should vote for me. People just seem to be in it for the lulz. If you don't want to lynch Zebra for whatever reason, there are still better candidates.

And now not lynching Zebra isn't such a dumb idea.

Is he coming or going? He can barely decide?

You are deliberately trying to cast me in a bad light here, twisting things and misrepresenting my posts. Why wouldn't I try to make reasonable compromises? I never described not lynching Zebra as dumb. I don't think I'm always right or that anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot, which you seem to be implying I must do. What I have been saying is I think Zebra is a solid choice for a lynch today but hey some people don't and maybe that's okay for now but how about lynching Faraday/Daisy instead of me?

You are good at Mafia Bullzeye... but no, I'm not. I am reading you as bad. Do you think I am bad? The inference that I deliberately trying to cast you in a bad light seems to infer that.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I am voting Zebra I have thought she was bad since the beginning of the game.

Top show Bass. Your efforts in this game are much appreciated.

Dom wrote:TBH, I am not sure I get the logic that we should lynch Zebra later because even if we lynch Empire today-- are we stopping a kill? Can someone explain that more to me?

I thought it was pretty obvious. Tonight is Empire kill. She is claiming Hutt. She can't kill tonight. So why not try and lynch an Empire from the small pool we've put together?

It does rely on her having told the truth, which I am tentatively believing.

There are other more manipulative reasons to keep a dangerous scum with an Empire kill boner alive on an Empire kill night too...

Might I start by saying that Bullzeye voted off the MP wagon to, and I quote "save MP". Bullzeye has also been low lying lurky Bullzeye game long, replaced in Floyd who swapped out to go play Tree Mafia later.

Let's start.

Bullzeye wrote:I don't really see any reason not to *Vote Zebra* given she's all but confirmed bad at this point.

Bullzeye's day starts like this. After I had made pretty rational arguments for keeping Zebra around. To me, leaving Zebra alive as a lone confirmed Hutt (which does remain to be seen), is the most dangerous outcome for Empire. So I expected this response from an Empire. I expected a more reasoned approach (like Matt's, Dom's and others) from Civs.

Bullzeye wrote:Why wouldn't we lynch a baddie? What do we gain from her staying alive?

This question indicates that he flatly hadn't read the thread but...

Bullzeye wrote:I have done. Obviously. I have read your argument for keeping her alive and wasn't convinced. I'm not entirely convinced she's really the last member of her team either. I'd rather lynch a confirmed baddie than risk a civ death. It's not a hard choice.

His next post, he's read the thread "obviously" completely which refutes his previous post. Asking what we have to gain, like there is nothing, to then saying yeah well I did read the points and I wasn't convinced is a complete disconnect in logic.

Now rather than make rational arguments against his lynch. We get pearls like this...

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Well Elo has your back. What do you think of Elo? Didn't you used to suspect her and then now you don't or something?

Off to work! Good luck town.

Actually I kinda expected her to vote for me. Not sure why. I dunno what I think of her at this point but I did think she was kinda shifty and blendy. At this point I think Faraday is one of the shiftier looking players and would suggest him as the alternative lynch for anyone who wants to save Zebra.

MacDougall wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Convinced me.

Of course it did.

The discredit begins. We're all stupid for entertaining it now.

Bullzeye wrote:I actually think today's lynch has the potential to be really useful for the civs. I'm not the way to look - I've yet to hear any kind of real argument for why people should vote for me. People just seem to be in it for the lulz. If you don't want to lynch Zebra for whatever reason, there are still better candidates.

And now not lynching Zebra isn't such a dumb idea.

Is he coming or going? He can barely decide?

You just inferred not lynching Zebra is rational, and now you are suggesting that not lynching a confirmed baddie over you is not.

You seem to not be able to make up your mind on the subject. Do you want to lynch Zebra, or do you want to try and find Empire?

I don't want to do your job for you but solidifying your opinion on that matter is probably your best chance of surviving here. I don't think you'd have to try hard to convince some others to vote for Zebra, particularly if you are a civ and the Empire voters haven't voted you I expect they'd prefer to rid themselves of the Zeb.

If you want to try and find Empire, try and find Empire. You seem nervous, testy and your newfound contributions when under duress are typical of a lurky scum about to be lynched.

Bullzeye is bad for the same reasons Elohcin is bad. Him pretending that nobody has made any remarks about why is bad is great. So is his amazing backtrack. Start of the day it was "we should lynch Zebra, obviously" and now it's "I actually think we should look at others, but not me."

Backtrack.

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Convinced me.

Bullzeye wrote:I just hope your rousing speech doesn't inspire too many people to follow you and the self-confessed baddie down the path of insanity.

Convinced me.

Fair enough. I don't believe you, but you're entitled to post things.

MacDougall wrote:Civs will read my argument for keeping Zebra alive and at least entertain it
Empire will realise this unholy union is their doom and fight hard to get us to go for the obv lynch here

Watch this space

Bullzeye wrote:I have done. Obviously. I have read your argument for keeping her alive and wasn't convinced. I'm not entirely convinced she's really the last member of her team either. I'd rather lynch a confirmed baddie than risk a civ death. It's not a hard choice.

Okay Bullzeye. Wasn't convinced about what exactly? The validity of the point? It was up for discussion. I never said it was certainly what I would going to do. I would say that there are logical reasons for doing so though, it's not something I would expect a civilian to rush into and I think your eagerness to place your vote without thinking is a signal of your bad rolecard...