The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:57 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:54 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:53 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:52 pm Wiml shoulda just listened to what I was saying earlier, fwiw ur probs more similar to Alexa than you are to bk in style
about??
To ignore the pressure and just focus on solving
He’s most towniest when he’s just analyzing other slots
Ngl, solving is super easy to fake.

If there's one thing I struggle to fake it's probably my general attitude lol. I'm pretty sure Thunal knows how to read me for it pretty well now.

you are so playful with facts amigo

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:27 pm Mac is supposed to bring us pelts by now is all i can say

are you for real? how am I supposed to have done that?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:58 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:40 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:38 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:37 am Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.
I don't really remember her read so idk

Which townreads do you think are controversial?
"just want to make sure this doesn't slip through the cracks cus of notification shenanigans, i was wondering whether your read that we are town because of the level of comfort in revealing that nanook pees while he drives was from made or alison?"

And anything that isn't alexa/illario/Esooa tbh.

Speaking of illario if you also wouldn't mind explaining that read I'd appreciate it.
Lmao yeah that was an interesting one

I didn't like ilario's interactions around alexa early, there were a couple posts that showed a combination of awkwardness and self awareness that reads as scummy to me. I think his trans handling was kinda meh, but that's harder to judge. I think he's mostly been pushing pro scum poe, although tbf he's not alone in that regard fmpov.

Its a bit of an ego tunnel atp I guess but I don't really care

Mac had a townie eod1, and I think the work he's done today is largely out of his scumrange. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, and the counterargument is that if he's mafia here he's likely trying his ass off given the playerlist, but yeah, I think given his reads and his play he's probably just town

Ender is a bit of a lazier read tbh, he reads similar to his play in scythe to me, and I have a decent record of correctly tolerating him, so I just locked it in.
Thanks. Wrt illario he has a very distinct dynamic with alexa and they're pretty much like mafia best buds in that regard and interwine their play a lot (source: having played with them a lot) and in the nicest way possible he's known for having really wild reads.

Mac's EoD was towny to me pretty much solely because I think he had a very real chance to get me flipped and decided not to (especially when Trans flipping town would be a bad look for him anyway). Tbh I don’t see really see where you're coming from with your point about his D2 though, I think it's been really wolfy tbh. Would you mind expanding on your read?

Tbh I pretty much agree exactly with what you've said about Ender, I'm just not going to town lock him over it.

how has my day 2 been wolfy?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:05 am
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:49 pm @alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?
my read is back and forth on LC tbh.
that quote from mac looks similar to how lc defended u against ldies in limes game, the only difference is this is a singular post whereas in limes game he kept pushing

I am not lc

Like click his iso and search mac for instance.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:36 pm THE FACT THAT MAC HAS GONE FROM GOING TO WIML, THEN SWITCHING TO ME, THEN TRYING TO PUT ALEXA BACK INTO THE POE BEING COMPLETELY OPPORTUNISTIC OF ESOOA'S PARANOIA FROM DAY 1, DESPITE ALEXA BEING OBVIOUS TOWN, IS WOLFY FROM MAC!

HE'S SEARCHING FOR A TARGET TO TAKE DOWN THAT'S NOT HIM!

Please stop saying I'm partnered with this guy just because I don't like that half the game aligned to push him all of a sudden. Do better for fucks sake.

He was literally scumreading me as YOUR teammate because I baited Transcend into unvoting himself onto you and then moved off you to him.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:31 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am If LC flips wolf please turbo Mac though lol.
Though you are mighty quick to make this read after how LC dealt with me today. If he's wolf I am very much spewed clear friend.
I didn't really factor anything else into that post other than the fact that I'm pretty sure this is exactly how you would try to defend a partner and I think you're probably a wolf anyway.

I have no idea if you're right lol.

Of course you do. You were there commenting when he was screaming about how scummy I am.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:30 am In my defence I was more probing LC than pushing him.

He's polarised and probably just town but to say that some of the stuff he's done isn't iffy would be lying.

Look at me attack five players at the same time for pushing my scumread lollll.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am If LC flips wolf please turbo Mac though lol.

Though you are mighty quick to make this read after how LC dealt with me today. If he's wolf I am very much spewed clear friend.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:28 am If LC flips wolf please turbo Mac though lol.

Im find with that but then flip wiml after me for this exact post.

I've seen this all too often. We have been at each other's throats for 2 days can't agree on mcfuck and suddenly everyone's houses align cuz ender did an iso. Not buying.

Irrelevant. Wiml, TSP, Ilario and now you have all approached this LC opportunity like hungry forest beasts and if all four of you are town doing this I will eat my own ass.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:13 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:10 am I had a wall explaining my Mac read and I just accidentally deleted it lol.
Good. Fuck that shit.
Tl;dr of the bit you asked me about was that I think you're relying almost solely on faked towniness in a way that I don't think you would need to as town and which actively shows that you're struggling to demonstrate legitimate reasons for you to be town. I think it's a really jarring difference compared to how you played in Traitors for Exile and even Scythe.

I haven't faked anything dude. You're levelling the fuck out of yourself with this read.

I am never voting LC after four separate people somehow come together in this game state to push him like hyenas after Ender makes a case. Ew ew ew.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:10 am I had a wall explaining my Mac read and I just accidentally deleted it lol.

Good. Fuck that shit.

Im not joking I really just wanna get information now. This is all just circular bs.

@Wiml I am tempted to hammer LC here and go to night before I go to bed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:53 am I haven’t ever hung around til endgame in a game with w!Ender but like eh I don’t think he’s pretty much ever a wolf here tbh

Articulate what made you say this.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 pm @Wiml generally speaking how do you intend to deal with the nanook slot given he is determined to make zero alignment indicative posts?
If my poe gets flipped I'll have a bunch of AI posts
I said that before i actually read your posts in fairness. I just assumed it was as lacking as usual but I can actually see wheels turning for you in this game. I particularly liked that you called a wiml POE insane, and also when you told him that his POE contained 3-4 town.
Do you really think this is AI for Nook?

I think the reads showed some conviction which would be towny yeah. Not overly but I am just trying to figure a guy out who is determined never to be readable so go easy on me.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:19 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:55 am For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.
i actually agree with this statement
Yeah, well you shouldn't.

You just said you don't struggle to push reads as a wolf. What reads have you made that are outside your wolf range?

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:18 am Like NANOOK has been riding a ilario wolf read from one post into the game it just feels like he came to “ilario is a wolf” then tried to justify it rather than reading posts and trying to read him

He didn't actually. He ironically started scumreading him because Ilario was pushing you who he has been townreading since your entry. If Ilario was a wolf what tactics would you expect him to use to pocket you?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:08 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:07 am Does the game still suck?
I've been trying to make it more productive for solving the last few pages. I did tag you with a question.
Yeah I can see the mentions and I'll respond as I get through.

Tbh I don’t really want to play any more lol.

why?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:07 am Does the game still suck?

I've been trying to make it more productive for solving the last few pages. I did tag you with a question.

I remember you getting super mad at me for suspecting Honey too so it's hard for me to care much LC.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:26 am Mac changing his mind without checking and throwing words out there and forcing other people to prove him wrong when he's wrong is irritating.

I don't know whether it's actually scummy but it's irritating.

Thats what happens when everyone decides to make 500 posts.

Yeah I can give points for that tbh.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:15 am Had to Link Mac my LMAO's as town.

Had to do all the LC casing for him.

Have to link my previous reads.

Mac really likes making other people do work.

Yes I do. I am a manager.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:05 am
Lol.

Well, I personally liked my LC case.
Look I am not saying I hate that you did it. I applaud it as either alignment. I just think you're probably capable of that level of fake analysis as a wolf. And aside from that I can't remember any other reads you made that were challenging. And you keep coming back to sus me, which keeps the pressure on me which fmpov is at best wolfsiding.
I want to say I'm not, but I actually am.

So my Wiml scumread (Before Esooa even) wasn't challenging? Back when he was originally considered townread?

Are you sure you're not scum Mac?

(Ooooh look at the pressure again!)

By all means link me to where you made that read.

No I am town. Though I am phone posting again so you'll probably go bad to scumreading me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:01 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am Ender is another who as of recent decided to get his ISO wriggle on but nothing he produced showed an incredible amount of insight and other than that his reads have not been provocative at all.

It feels to me like the wolves are resigned to Alexa being townread and are among those who are just feeding her bullshit. I think that's a near certainty at this point.
And yet I'm the "Most solvy" on your list?
Yes I know it sounds contradictory. I have a habit of making reads on people simply because they do a thing and revising the read when I actually look at the content. The same thing I did with Wiml's read on me earlier.
Lol.

Well, I personally liked my LC case.

Look I am not saying I hate that you did it. I applaud it as either alignment. I just think you're probably capable of that level of fake analysis as a wolf. And aside from that I can't remember any other reads you made that were challenging. And you keep coming back to sus me, which keeps the pressure on me which fmpov is at best wolfsiding.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am Ender is another who as of recent decided to get his ISO wriggle on but nothing he produced showed an incredible amount of insight and other than that his reads have not been provocative at all.

It feels to me like the wolves are resigned to Alexa being townread and are among those who are just feeding her bullshit. I think that's a near certainty at this point.
And yet I'm the "Most solvy" on your list?

Yes I know it sounds contradictory. I have a habit of making reads on people simply because they do a thing and revising the read when I actually look at the content. The same thing I did with Wiml's read on me earlier.

@alexa I'd really like to hear the confidence you have in your ilario and LC townreads out of 10 and also your top town and wolf reads.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am @ilario do you have any games I can read where you were a wolf and alexa was town?
sure,

but why didnt u ask it the other way around? just curious..

Because I am not interested in reading that dynamic.

I am rather comfortable townreading Nanook now. He's put himself into a position where he is very likely to not last to endgame just simply because he made reads he believes in ie. Ilario wolf, Mac town. He is not making an effort to win this game for his wolf team unless his entire plan is to just die to spew Ilario town.

@ilario do you have any games I can read where you were a wolf and alexa was town?

Ender is another who as of recent decided to get his ISO wriggle on but nothing he produced showed an incredible amount of insight and other than that his reads have not been provocative at all.

It feels to me like the wolves are resigned to Alexa being townread and are among those who are just feeding her bullshit. I think that's a near certainty at this point.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:51 am So if you could have your way you'd have no problem with other town banking an Alexa town read on you being correct and just letting her skate otherwise?
Lol even if people did bank on the read alexa is the last person I’d expect to just skate by

Good question dodge. I am asking if you're happy for me to just sheep you on this read and ignore everything to the contrary and just blame you in post if she's a wolf and you are town?

For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.
Has that method ever worked out much for you? Genuinely curious cos most games have a fair few scums looking more solvey than a good portion of town

I back myself to be able to read the quality of the solving accurately though. Wolf solving rarely is convincing even if it's voluminous. If a wolf can show me town thought in their solving that reaches the threshold I require I would be impressed.

But you are right the bigger issue is bad town play. Which is why this has to coincide with an improvement in the gamestate and quality of play.

Ilario - Alexa town, Nanook mafia
Lime Coke - Alexa town, Nanook mafia
Nanook - Alexa town, Wiml mafia (but realy Ilario)
Ender - Illario town, Lime Coke mafia

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am @Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.
town-alexa

maf-this read changes every 12 hours for me, have u seen p#4489 from me? nobody noticed my post there

can you just make the read please?

@Lime Coke ur shielding alexa hard, are you shield ilario with the same vigour?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:55 am “ You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too?”

Am I misinterpreting something or is the wording there off?

But I kinda do that as town too?

.....Implying that he isn’t town right now?

not at all really, it makes perfect grammatical sense for him to say that from the town perspective

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

I mean I know that you already said you're just not gonna push him and hope his friends are right etc. etc. so I guess that's what you're gonna do.

But then he's not really your top wolf is he? You're essentially choosing to actively town read him by proxy.

So is it far to say your top wolf read you intend to do something about is wiml given you are voting there?

how do you reconcile your top town read lock clearing your top wolf read?

@alexa do you have a nanook read?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am @Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.
Nanook and nanook

please just help me

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

So if you could have your way you'd have no problem with other town banking an Alexa town read on you being correct and just letting her skate otherwise?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.
I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game
If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.
Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

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