The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:28 pm Gather rounds friends and family we got our pelt finally.
Can I give it to pyxxy please?

Pyxxy gets Porscha pelt? I dunno why but I don't object lol.

Gather rounds friends and family we got out pelt finally.

Be Porscha the town tracker.

Be suspicious of Robyn and townread Leetic.

Track your townread who is a mod confirmed role that doesn't target.

Nein.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:15 pm that being said, I do at least understand leetic's concerns with mac in a way that seems believable (also probably in part that I have other reasons to tr leetic lol)

This your last leetic related post btw. You're fake. Soz I still love you. Nice try.

Option 1 - You'd lost wim. Got wagoned. Could hardly be fucked posting. Your teammates (or just your idea maybe) told you to just fake claim or something as a yolo play

Option 2 - You're real and caught Leetic

Option 3 - You're real, you tracked Leetic and um he was bus driven by a supposed bus driver to target me hence why he was roleblocked by me, he didn't target me, isn't silencer. Silencer was somehow otherwise blocked.

I must ask what compelled you to use your town tracker on a mod confirmed role that demonstrably cant track? Was Leetic even sussed by you?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:15 pm Stunned into silence by my immaculate take eh?
immaculately incorrect lol but I can see why you'd consider that
well if we flip you first we will know for sure so we can just do that lol
that's not true, there is a possibility leetic is town and something else fucky wucky has occurred

I don't believe that, but it is possible. and flipping me won't resolve him. he will keep up the same argument even if you flip me

nah I'll happily just take you as w/t and lose to such fuckery... sometimes games are just too hard otherwise

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:15 pm Stunned into silence by my immaculate take eh?
immaculately incorrect lol but I can see why you'd consider that

well if we flip you first we will know for sure so we can just do that lol

Stunned into silence by my immaculate take eh?

I still think I was silence target. Now Porsch is saying she saw Leetic target me. My assumption is she's just trying to buy another day by getting me to vote Leetic when she's the actual silencer who targeted me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:18 pm HO HO HO MERRY - *coughs in covid* Sorry.
Ho ho ho, merry christmas. I come bearing a gift! Perhaps one of the best of all...

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Unfortunately for our boy Leetic, it seems his hostility has come from an evil place... It all makes sense now... That he hath visited MacDougall... and with my all-seeing-eye... did I see him do it...

Oh ha.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:24 pm Leetic said his Oracle shit implied no 3p iirc.
I don't believe I ever said that? The wording was "baddies", which I guess could include hostile ITPs like SKs? Another question for LC I guess

as I said it could have been rondo

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:24 pm Leetic said his Oracle shit implied no 3p iirc.
rondo did too now that i think of it

maybe it was Rondo and not Leetic

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:03 pm Also

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Leetic take a breath and come back when you're brain isn't being flooded with adrenaline.
MacDougall take a breath and come back when your (not you are) brain isn't being flooded with alcohol.
That's quite rude.
Tone argument
Nah you're overreacting. I was just suggesting you take a moment to chill and you called me drunk lol. You really do need to chill.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:06 pm Leetic you intoxicated?
Tu quoque, I know, but still hilarious.

I was actually genuinely curious cuz I was trying to solve him fwiw. Different contexts as hard as that may be to believe. I was "if this dude is drunk I'm gonna not read into it". He was reacting to my attempt to deescalate by being mean lol.

Anyway Rondo better be right about you or I'm gonna do a big sad sad.

Leetic said his Oracle shit implied no 3p iirc.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:00 pm My fever is up to 103 though so I promise nothing about activity

Uh that's not ideal. Hospital.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:42 pm idk what leetic's actual worldview is, but my thread comprehension is quite low, does anyone?
"I have no idea who is mafia except everyone who suspects me or disagrees with me is a wolf and/or asshole" seems to summarise it.
Cope

I can't. My alcohol abuse has rendered me unable to.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:52 pm @Scotty if you simply targeted Abigail and made her target you instead of her regular target and there's nothing more to it than that sing the fifth verse of Fairytale of New York please.
Trying to pocket me with my all-time favourite Christmas song, eh?

Haha isn't it everyone's (who has taste)

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:49 pm Rondo was hard poe and gonna die.

Scotty was hard poe and gonna die.

Rondo fakes mech and clears Scotty.

If they are both mafia, they just win doing this yeh?
Of course LC would have to be the 3rd here.

Ha can you imagine.
It's a stretch. I would be proud, but this is a lot of factors in play. I'd have to have a fakeclaim of Clark Griswold to start.
Clark can't be mafia?
I guess? He's like... the protagonist.

I mean sorta. He's also the villain from certain perspectives lol.

Also theme reads like this are no different from angleshooting the host.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:49 pm Rondo was hard poe and gonna die.

Scotty was hard poe and gonna die.

Rondo fakes mech and clears Scotty.

If they are both mafia, they just win doing this yeh?
Of course LC would have to be the 3rd here.

Ha can you imagine.
It's a stretch. I would be proud, but this is a lot of factors in play. I'd have to have a fakeclaim of Clark Griswold to start.

Clark can't be mafia?

@Scotty if you simply targeted Abigail and made her target you instead of her regular target and there's nothing more to it than that sing the fifth verse of Fairytale of New York please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:49 pm Rondo was hard poe and gonna die.

Scotty was hard poe and gonna die.

Rondo fakes mech and clears Scotty.

If they are both mafia, they just win doing this yeh?

Of course LC would have to be the 3rd here.

Ha can you imagine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:42 pm idk what leetic's actual worldview is, but my thread comprehension is quite low, does anyone?
"I have no idea who is mafia except everyone who suspects me or disagrees with me is a wolf and/or asshole" seems to summarise it.

Is this not facts?
I would prefer to move on from snark, dude. It hurts my heart.

It's not snark, it's a genuine answer to Robyn's question.

Rondo was hard poe and gonna die.

Scotty was hard poe and gonna die.

Rondo fakes mech and clears Scotty.

If they are both mafia, they just win doing this yeh?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:47 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Mac promise me you'll neve ever lie about the next question I ask you?
Sure
Are you pocketing me?
Not intentionally.

I have been trying to motivate you a fair bit because you're easier for me to read when you have wim.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:42 pm idk what leetic's actual worldview is, but my thread comprehension is quite low, does anyone?
"I have no idea who is mafia except everyone who suspects me or disagrees with me is a wolf and/or asshole" seems to summarise it.

Is this not facts?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Mac promise me you'll neve ever lie about the next question I ask you?
Sure
Are you pocketing me?

Not intentionally.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:44 pm Technically Scotty not being able to vote is far worse for town given he can kind of communicate fine through code anyway.
fair, but my stance is he loses his vote and speaks and solves

He could post fine yesterday and hardly did. Not guarantee he says much anyway lol.

I'm starting to think the mafia are in the mech anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:27 pm @Long Con I get the impression you are townreading Leetic more strongly than you are me? Maybe even you are still thinking I may be mafia?
You're pretty convincing as Town. I currently have no plans to pursue you as a Wolf.

Mech and feels are making me think Leetic is also Town. If we could get some clarity around role-block-busdrive-Oracle-Abi-Scotty scenario, that would be really helpful.
who do you plan to pursue as wolf?

also you're conf town so just [to you and scotty] i would rather scotty speak this cycle and lose his vote, assuming that there's 0-1 one wolves in [robyn, mac, LC, scotty, rondo] that mean it's always a chop town motivated and scotty's vote is token ig

so like, i want him to talk, more than i want his vote

@Scotty @Long Con @MacDougall thoughts?
I want him to talk as well. But he is a Bad Dog.

Porscha, tutuu, robyn, pyxxy.

What are these names? List of miselims you need?

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:42 pm idk what leetic's actual worldview is, but my thread comprehension is quite low, does anyone?

"I have no idea who is mafia except everyone who suspects me or disagrees with me is a wolf and/or asshole" seems to summarise it.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:27 pm @Long Con I get the impression you are townreading Leetic more strongly than you are me? Maybe even you are still thinking I may be mafia?
You're pretty convincing as Town. I currently have no plans to pursue you as a Wolf.

Mech and feels are making me think Leetic is also Town. If we could get some clarity around role-block-busdrive-Oracle-Abi-Scotty scenario, that would be really helpful.
who do you plan to pursue as wolf?

also you're conf town so just [to you and scotty] i would rather scotty speak this cycle and lose his vote, assuming that there's 0-1 one wolves in [robyn, mac, LC, scotty, rondo] that mean it's always a chop town motivated and scotty's vote is token ig

so like, i want him to talk, more than i want his vote

@Scotty @Long Con @MacDougall thoughts?

Technically Scotty not being able to vote is far worse for town given he can kind of communicate fine through code anyway.

I'm not sure where you got the idea from he would lose his vote to the curse? Was that confirmed somewhere? I missed that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:41 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:29 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:27 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine btw
Vote Porscha.
I want tutuu porscha wagons
Hmm kind of think mafia will win this game if we keep trying to make splits cuz they're already at a numerical advantage that means they can add enough weight to prevent wagons on themselves becoming strong enough to be inside of it.

That is to say I think your role might be unfortunately wolfsiding moving forward @RondoDimBuckle.

I know if I was Mafia that town not feeling permitted to make a runaway would be optimal for the way I like to coordinate a wagonstate. And already has been shown to have created only town wagons. Not sure town can win if we keep going for ties. I think we have enough mechanical clears now we need pelts.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:29 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:27 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine btw
Vote Porscha.
I want tutuu porscha wagons

Hmm kind of think mafia will win this game if we keep trying to make splits cuz they're already at a numerical advantage that means they can add enough weight to prevent wagons on themselves becoming strong enough to be inside of it.

So Porscha has kind of not posted at all since LC outed a town check on Rondo. That feels a bit like deflated wolf who lost their only chew toy to me.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:27 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine btw

Vote Porscha.

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Your username is way too difficult to ping. How does one find a star on a smartphone keyboard? Having to copy paste your name every time is madness.

Anyway.

Porscha?

@tutuu @robyn

Same q

@Long Con I get the impression you are townreading Leetic more strongly than you are me? Maybe even you are still thinking I may be mafia?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:11 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm if mac and lc are both town i dont get what happened to the nk unless scotty busdrove it around

if mac/lc/rondo/scotty are all 4 town i dont think mafia purposefully targets mac for the kill
They didn't. They simply targeted LC or Rondo who had protection and failed.
Why are you still voting LC if you believe that?

Because I had not yet determined an adequate place to relocate as my unfortunate priority had been engaging in a needlessly, emotionally volatile interaction with you.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Curses and role switches and what have you be damned I'm just sorting this like a regular mafia game.

But based on what has occurred his role seems to be "target someone and have them target you".

I don't fully comprehend why Scotty wilfully cursed himself.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm

I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying
I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.
If you think that "lame" is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't be playing mafia. Also wrong "your" again, but I will admit that's being petty

Grace would be just saying okay and not continuing to be provocative and needlessly hostile. I don't need your psycho analysis Leetic. Unless you're a qualified therapist in which case I retract and go ahead and give me advice.

It seems like my ability gets treated like an active. ie. When I get targeted I actually activate and react. Which means it's plausible I end up roleblocking someone who didn't target me. Ie. if I was targeted by a bus driver who forces my target off of themselves and onto say, Leetic. My role can then be used by a bus driver as a roleblocker.

Or maybe I just received feedback intended for someone else which might explain why I didn't get d1 feedback.

Syndicate mech games are so 2017. I haven't had to deal with this type of mech in ages.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm

caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
That is a possibility, but the Oracle SEEMS to have been blocked today. And if "the real Oracle" is a Town role, then they'd have called Leetic out long ago, and certainly today. I don't think he's lying about the role UNLESS it is just that is teammate is the role (and it would follow that THEY were blocked).

BUT

The town roleblocker is dead. So it's likely that a Wolf blocked the Oracle, evidenced in the Host post.

That is extremely unlikely for a Wolf to choose. So my best theory is that the busdriver messed with the Wolf blocker.

WHICH MEANS that the busdriver should get their ass out here and let us know who the damn wolf is that they messed with.

But that hasn't happened. No, wait. Scotty is the busdriver. That fits with his trickle of info so far. Scotty busdrove me on N0, and I never targeted you, Mac? But I was still blocked.

I wish I had a good conclusion, but these are relevant thoughts anyway.
That makes sense actually. If Abby's claim is real, she probably targeted me (or the real post restrictor did so to make it look like they were Abby). That would mean that the real blocked person was Scotty, and I guess redirecting has a higher priority over roleblocking?

She said she targeted Tutuu.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm if mac and lc are both town i dont get what happened to the nk unless scotty busdrove it around

if mac/lc/rondo/scotty are all 4 town i dont think mafia purposefully targets mac for the kill

They didn't. They simply targeted LC or Rondo who had protection and failed.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:22 pm Stuff got switched around eh.

That's weird.

LC did you get a check?
I know everything changes
Yeah, it's strange how time marches on
Maybe there'll be some time in the future
Oh, tell me I'm not wrong

Whichever host invented post curses in the first place needs to be time paradoxed

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm

LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying

I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.

Scotty's role appears to be "target someone and have them target you". That doesn't preclude there from being a mafia (or town) equivalent "target someone and have them target someone else" type role.

*snark

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