The Syndicate

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:39 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:32 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:38 pm I don't quite understand this train of thought and please don't lose focus, Manny, we really don't have much wiggle room here.
Yeeting Mac is easier than yeeting Chels in this gamestate therefore if i want to avoid risks in order i just kill chelsea first and Mac tomorrow.
In the world of w!Mac i can just sit and do nothing though which is why this day is annoying and i just wanna kill the obvious 3p epi, and incase they dont flip 3p they prolly flip wolf which is also good.
I think Epi is much more of a coin flip and I presently think he's very unlikely mafia because of his vote positioning at eod1.

When mafia are under no threat they usually don't end the day voting side by side on a town c/w. It's just a probability pattern. Obviously I've seen it happen but it's very >rand likely unpairing for him and Falcon to be voting together on Seanzie with me as two wolves.

The other wolves are likely spread across wagons.

Epi is also just far more in his townrange with this play than someone else would be. He's de facto retired from mafia and just plays for keks more or less.
Do you mean "side by side" in terms of "after each other" or in terms of a more general "two wolves on the same wagon"?

Also, I feel like the poll thing doesn't tell you who voted for whom when, or at least it looked to me earlier as if the order of people displayed was random.

The latter. By end of day, especially when its a day that's resolved to be demonstrated as wolves being under no pressure, the default pattern is mafia spreading their votes out and not stacking. Especially for Falcon and Epi who really did not have any pressure to put their vote anywhere logical, so they could have just realistically voted wherever they pleased.

Brad the Chelsea double voter lel

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine lel

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Between you, Jack and TSP there is way way too much of that type of posting. Cease and desist the hedgy shit it's giving me a migraine.

Why are you still townreading Brad? @Chelsea

He has hardly posted a thing in 2 days. The only memorable things he's done in this game are omgus Seanzie and try to policy vote him, shield you and be shielded by you.

Brad 100% would have done all these things as mafia. Why are you so certain he's town?

@Jackofhearts2005 you mentioned that you don't think Tony/me are w/w. Do you think TSP is plausibly a wolf if I'm town?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:09 pm How long are ya'll gonna act like you townread each other while still voting for each other?

You both suspect me. Just case me so I can tell you who is full of shit.
Lol someone's a little tense.

I already outlined why you're in my poe. It's nothing more than vote logic. I think generally you've been way too towny to actually get over in this gamestate and don't even care to really try while you're actually treating me in good faith.
Yeah but you never finished giving your vote logic.

Spoiler: show
Also, I am super tense. They're making me do actual work. I'm gonna leave how much this is a joke up in the air.

I don't really buy that you don't get it. But it's part of my basic mafia solving set to read wagons and when I see someone in a group of 3 like you were on day 1 and the other two are not mafia, the remaining slot generally turns out to be.

The underlying principle being that in that gamestate if you weren't the mafia already there, one of the actual mafia would have found it a comfort spot to put their vote.

This is a flawed albeit probabilistically accurate analysis. I know that it's flawed. But given that and just generally knowing how deep your bag is as mafia I can't reasonably remove you from my poe.

Which like... I obviously would if I was Mafia because keeping you in it is something of a death sentence given I'd need to Jackside to live.

I think at this juncture it would be very hard to find a Mac teammate but here I am still with 4 votes on me.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:10 pm You really should just try to figure out which of your town is wrong because at this point it's near guaranteed to be the case Chelsea. It would make me feel a lot better about you if you actually demonstrated a capacity to reevaluate. This game needs you pushing Brad or Creature to be salvaged imo.
I guess I could try, I don't really reevaluate unless I was horribly wrong on a read and every flip is exactly what I expected minus Scotty.

Give me a bit.

Instead of waiting to be horribly wrong let me give you a spoiler.

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:09 pm How long are ya'll gonna act like you townread each other while still voting for each other?

You both suspect me. Just case me so I can tell you who is full of shit.

Lol someone's a little tense.

I already outlined why you're in my poe. It's nothing more than vote logic. I think generally you've been way too towny to actually get over in this gamestate and don't even care to really try while you're actually treating me in good faith.

You really should just try to figure out which of your town is wrong because at this point it's near guaranteed to be the case Chelsea. It would make me feel a lot better about you if you actually demonstrated a capacity to reevaluate. This game needs you pushing Brad or Creature to be salvaged imo.

I can't vote TSP really. He's been siding with me too much and with my placement I can't afford to nuke an ally.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:04 pm If we vote a wolf together Mac I am down to reset reads and just say lol my reads are bad.

Not easy given our shared wolfreads are Jack and Jack and he won't go over cuz he's unyeetable.

I don't want to vote out Epi cuz I think he will flip town and we will be right back here.

You're locked on Creature and Brad being town for some reason.

And TSP is my best friend.

Think we are probably just already screwed if we are t/t. Best that can be achieved there is like... a nice attempt at re-evaluation with me dying anyway.

Honestly the mafia being Creature/Brad/TSP kind of tracks in a hilarious and sad way.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:59 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:53 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:45 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:42 pm
Mac name one time I've been NK'd for my good reads. The only time this ever happens to me is if I hyper top postcap. I am never NK'D because 1) I am a good wolf so people use that paranoia 2) People do not believe my reads it's my weakest thing as a villager. "You should be dead" is not real. I did not push sig over and I voted Nanook to save Lime I haven't got to vote who I wanted to this entire game. Falcon is gone and they were a wolf. So, I'm gonna keep trying. If you're a villager, show me today I'm not nearly as tunneled as you think I am.
How am I supposed to think otherwise when you said you wouldn't even engage with me?

I'm reading your ISO and yesterday you telegraphed voting me today off of somehow analysing me as w/w with Falcon which is demonstrably not the case. I pulled receipts and even Lanmisa who has had an issue with me all game can see it Your response was to cover your eyes and say you weren't going to even bother with me.

If you're not tunneled stop acting like you are because it also fucks with my own perspective. If you treat me properly for a moment then you can probably easily see my perspectives. Ask me shit. I can project my mindset better than anybody can.
There are times when engaging with you will result in nothing because you're so tunneled in your frenzied perspective that the conversation will result in nothing productive. It isn't the first time nor the last you'll probably do it. So, I saw no interest in engaging when nothing would come to it.

How many coincidences become a pattern Mac? Do you want me to just say "he's having a bad game" multiple times when you've pushed 3 villagers and been helping the wolf agenda all game? Is me not being able to find you also a coincidence? I've read your Iso in the night, and right now I'm voting you because if I am just incorrect on you I'd like to know. Your value brings me the best flip wise.

Would I like to just townbin you vote off TSP for how they've played this game and move on? Yes, but I can't do that with how you're playing.
You are saying I am wolfsiding because I've pushed players you townread. There's zero evidence I actually am wolfsiding. The only player I actually pushed this game who is dead and confirmed is a wolf.

On the flipside you pushed Nook, Seanzie, Scotty, myself and even tried to vote against the Falcon wagon initially.

So stop with the wolfsiding accusations.
I did not push Nanook I voted to save Lime.
I came away from the Sean interaction townreading them
I'll give you Scotty and yourself.
Falcon was an outted wolf so if you think me as a wolf goes "ah yes let me defend my partner for no reason" then that's an entirely different conversation.

Let me throw you a bone, and just not use that argument and stop making assumptions for just a minute because I can see what you're trying to do with this conversation even if I disagree with the way you're twisting the narrative.

Why is it more likely Me/Creature are partners vs say Jack say that's the worldview you're trying to build. I don't think trying to scream my innocence at the top of my lungs will do anything it seems well past that point. Tell me why I should be voting elsewhere that's all I want.
Nice try.

Falcon was an outted wolf and so doesn't count. Ergo nobody has done anything but push townies.
Credit for Falcon goes to no one on the day of their exe now if you want to look at how Falcon was interacted with pre-death now that's another story.

Yes which demonstrates I am not mafia with him but you do you queen.

Chelsea the truth is if you are town then we probably both have been shielding mafia.

At points I've shielded Epi and TSP and that's probably egregious.

You've been shielding Creature and Brad and they are similarly not worthy of it.

If the solve is just those 4 then lol at us.

And I am twisting no narrative. I am speaking directly and factually.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:53 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:45 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:34 pm @Chelsea if you are town you're screwing yourself badly here. But you're going to at least need to realise that one of your voters (nearly certainly Jack) is mafia here because I've made you viable. Creature is not townie. That you have him obvious town is very hard for me to swallow.

You also called him your top town on day 1 when he'd posted nearly nothing. I just think you're partners. Your reads have not changed and if your reads were good with your approach you'd be dead.
Mac name one time I've been NK'd for my good reads. The only time this ever happens to me is if I hyper top postcap. I am never NK'D because 1) I am a good wolf so people use that paranoia 2) People do not believe my reads it's my weakest thing as a villager. "You should be dead" is not real. I did not push sig over and I voted Nanook to save Lime I haven't got to vote who I wanted to this entire game. Falcon is gone and they were a wolf. So, I'm gonna keep trying. If you're a villager, show me today I'm not nearly as tunneled as you think I am.
How am I supposed to think otherwise when you said you wouldn't even engage with me?

I'm reading your ISO and yesterday you telegraphed voting me today off of somehow analysing me as w/w with Falcon which is demonstrably not the case. I pulled receipts and even Lanmisa who has had an issue with me all game can see it Your response was to cover your eyes and say you weren't going to even bother with me.

If you're not tunneled stop acting like you are because it also fucks with my own perspective. If you treat me properly for a moment then you can probably easily see my perspectives. Ask me shit. I can project my mindset better than anybody can.
There are times when engaging with you will result in nothing because you're so tunneled in your frenzied perspective that the conversation will result in nothing productive. It isn't the first time nor the last you'll probably do it. So, I saw no interest in engaging when nothing would come to it.

How many coincidences become a pattern Mac? Do you want me to just say "he's having a bad game" multiple times when you've pushed 3 villagers and been helping the wolf agenda all game? Is me not being able to find you also a coincidence? I've read your Iso in the night, and right now I'm voting you because if I am just incorrect on you I'd like to know. Your value brings me the best flip wise.

Would I like to just townbin you vote off TSP for how they've played this game and move on? Yes, but I can't do that with how you're playing.
You are saying I am wolfsiding because I've pushed players you townread. There's zero evidence I actually am wolfsiding. The only player I actually pushed this game who is dead and confirmed is a wolf.

On the flipside you pushed Nook, Seanzie, Scotty, myself and even tried to vote against the Falcon wagon initially.

So stop with the wolfsiding accusations.
I did not push Nanook I voted to save Lime.
I came away from the Sean interaction townreading them
I'll give you Scotty and yourself.
Falcon was an outted wolf so if you think me as a wolf goes "ah yes let me defend my partner for no reason" then that's an entirely different conversation.

Let me throw you a bone, and just not use that argument and stop making assumptions for just a minute because I can see what you're trying to do with this conversation even if I disagree with the way you're twisting the narrative.

Why is it more likely Me/Creature are partners vs say Jack say that's the worldview you're trying to build. I don't think trying to scream my innocence at the top of my lungs will do anything it seems well past that point. Tell me why I should be voting elsewhere that's all I want.

Jack is literally in my lower POE Chelsea. You weren't even at first. He was and remains there.

I think like... level 1 if nobody had meta on anyone here that a good player would be currently confused about why we aren't just turboing Epi, Creature and Brad on play. All 3 are voting me.

Creature isn't even outside his wolfrange or even close to it. Brad maybe is a little but surely by day 4 with him having completely fallen off you'd reevaluate this Chelsea?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:51 pm My n1s if you and Brad were town would have been you and Brad. I absolutely assure you of this. I'd have overruled anyone trying to kill Abi and Michelle and laughed at them. You're both dead n1 if I'm mafia.
Do you think I am just hard snowing Brad because I "know how to pocket him?" I'm not saying I've sat here and had a perfect read record I would've been pushing Scotty if they were alive I'm still shocked they were town tbh.

But I don't get how you can come into today, see everything going on and vote me when the Scotty NK points to like, exactly Jack/Dunn

If the Scotty NK points to exactly them why are you voting me then?

Yowser.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:45 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:34 pm @Chelsea if you are town you're screwing yourself badly here. But you're going to at least need to realise that one of your voters (nearly certainly Jack) is mafia here because I've made you viable. Creature is not townie. That you have him obvious town is very hard for me to swallow.

You also called him your top town on day 1 when he'd posted nearly nothing. I just think you're partners. Your reads have not changed and if your reads were good with your approach you'd be dead.
Mac name one time I've been NK'd for my good reads. The only time this ever happens to me is if I hyper top postcap. I am never NK'D because 1) I am a good wolf so people use that paranoia 2) People do not believe my reads it's my weakest thing as a villager. "You should be dead" is not real. I did not push sig over and I voted Nanook to save Lime I haven't got to vote who I wanted to this entire game. Falcon is gone and they were a wolf. So, I'm gonna keep trying. If you're a villager, show me today I'm not nearly as tunneled as you think I am.
How am I supposed to think otherwise when you said you wouldn't even engage with me?

I'm reading your ISO and yesterday you telegraphed voting me today off of somehow analysing me as w/w with Falcon which is demonstrably not the case. I pulled receipts and even Lanmisa who has had an issue with me all game can see it Your response was to cover your eyes and say you weren't going to even bother with me.

If you're not tunneled stop acting like you are because it also fucks with my own perspective. If you treat me properly for a moment then you can probably easily see my perspectives. Ask me shit. I can project my mindset better than anybody can.
There are times when engaging with you will result in nothing because you're so tunneled in your frenzied perspective that the conversation will result in nothing productive. It isn't the first time nor the last you'll probably do it. So, I saw no interest in engaging when nothing would come to it.

How many coincidences become a pattern Mac? Do you want me to just say "he's having a bad game" multiple times when you've pushed 3 villagers and been helping the wolf agenda all game? Is me not being able to find you also a coincidence? I've read your Iso in the night, and right now I'm voting you because if I am just incorrect on you I'd like to know. Your value brings me the best flip wise.

Would I like to just townbin you vote off TSP for how they've played this game and move on? Yes, but I can't do that with how you're playing.

You are saying I am wolfsiding because I've pushed players you townread. There's zero evidence I actually am wolfsiding. The only player I actually pushed this game who is dead and confirmed is a wolf.

On the flipside you pushed Nook, Seanzie, Scotty, myself and even tried to vote against the Falcon wagon initially.

So stop with the wolfsiding accusations.

My n1s if you and Brad were town would have been you and Brad. I absolutely assure you of this. I'd have overruled anyone trying to kill Abi and Michelle and laughed at them. You're both dead n1 if I'm mafia.

Also stop accusing me of wolfsiding when your own iso is littered with pushing town.

When I say you should be dead I am not commenting on your meta as an spk or whatever. I am saying that if you were playing the way you are, holding your reads firmly and playing them straight, you'd be dead in this game.

If you are the town holding everything together against a mafia mac team and Brad is town. Manny is town. Creature is town. Why the fuck are me and my mafia buddies killing slots like Abi, Michelle, LC etc?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:34 pm @Chelsea if you are town you're screwing yourself badly here. But you're going to at least need to realise that one of your voters (nearly certainly Jack) is mafia here because I've made you viable. Creature is not townie. That you have him obvious town is very hard for me to swallow.

You also called him your top town on day 1 when he'd posted nearly nothing. I just think you're partners. Your reads have not changed and if your reads were good with your approach you'd be dead.
Mac name one time I've been NK'd for my good reads. The only time this ever happens to me is if I hyper top postcap. I am never NK'D because 1) I am a good wolf so people use that paranoia 2) People do not believe my reads it's my weakest thing as a villager. "You should be dead" is not real. I did not push sig over and I voted Nanook to save Lime I haven't got to vote who I wanted to this entire game. Falcon is gone and they were a wolf. So, I'm gonna keep trying. If you're a villager, show me today I'm not nearly as tunneled as you think I am.

How am I supposed to think otherwise when you said you wouldn't even engage with me?

I'm reading your ISO and yesterday you telegraphed voting me today off of somehow analysing me as w/w with Falcon which is demonstrably not the case. I pulled receipts and even Lanmisa who has had an issue with me all game can see it Your response was to cover your eyes and say you weren't going to even bother with me.

If you're not tunneled stop acting like you are because it also fucks with my own perspective. If you treat me properly for a moment then you can probably easily see my perspectives. Ask me shit. I can project my mindset better than anybody can.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:38 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:11 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:08 am Brad takes potshots at everyone that isn't a woman.

But good news me and him are both in our town meta come join the towncore baby with Lanmisa <3
Ehhhhh idk brad can be b****y as mafia sometimes too now tbh

Do you think Sean is town
I think there Iso is mid and idm if the slot goes over but if it's a villager we are voting in Mac/Scotty until 1 of them flips red.
You seriously don’t think we could all be town?
Sure there could be a world where Town is just eating each other alive but I have a hard problem thinking the easy route of "wow everyone is town and it's just non-active posters is all wolves" is the right one.

Of course, it has been but you could just say I have paranoia over it.
If Lime Coke hadn’t randomly thrown a shield over you at beginning of day, I’d be hard pressed scumreading you. I think Lime giving that read has to be acknowledged regardless of his alignment and it’s frankly annoying because confidence is magnetic.

I was asking if you could summon up a world where Mac/seanzie/myself are all town, and you respond here with ‘all of the non-active posters’ can’t be wolves. That’s not what we’re talking about, unless you think Mac/sean/i are the only active posters.
Plus here you are voting one of the most inactive posters in the game.

I don’t think town is eating each other alive. Dunno what narrative that is.
It wasn't random I've been townreading her since Day 1.

Anyway I'm phone bound so I won't be quoting a million posts but here's the story truncated.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:32 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:38 pm I don't quite understand this train of thought and please don't lose focus, Manny, we really don't have much wiggle room here.
Yeeting Mac is easier than yeeting Chels in this gamestate therefore if i want to avoid risks in order i just kill chelsea first and Mac tomorrow.
In the world of w!Mac i can just sit and do nothing though which is why this day is annoying and i just wanna kill the obvious 3p epi, and incase they dont flip 3p they prolly flip wolf which is also good.

I think Epi is much more of a coin flip and I presently think he's very unlikely mafia because of his vote positioning at eod1.

When mafia are under no threat they usually don't end the day voting side by side on a town c/w. It's just a probability pattern. Obviously I've seen it happen but it's very >rand likely unpairing for him and Falcon to be voting together on Seanzie with me as two wolves.

The other wolves are likely spread across wagons.

Epi is also just far more in his townrange with this play than someone else would be. He's de facto retired from mafia and just plays for keks more or less.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:29 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:05 pm Do you mean that there are wolves in Mac’s wagon? Do you mean that wolves would have made a viable cw if Mac was a wolf?
Realistically both, like 5-1 as soon as day starts just makes my brain think its a villa specially considering they were mostly naked votes
You're familiar enough with both Creature and Brad to recognise that their curve right now is questionable right?

And Brad/Chelsea having been allowed to live as a shielding town mason pair until day 4?
Show me this. Creature's curve is questionable but I've only gotten good vibes from Lime. I'm too lazy to go back and find him and Chelsea defending each other.

If you're town and unaware that Brad and Chelsea have been lock townreading each other all game then town is screwed cuz it's one of the defining storylines in this game.

@Chelsea if you are town you're screwing yourself badly here. But you're going to at least need to realise that one of your voters (nearly certainly Jack) is mafia here because I've made you viable. Creature is not townie. That you have him obvious town is very hard for me to swallow.

You also called him your top town on day 1 when he'd posted nearly nothing. I just think you're partners. Your reads have not changed and if your reads were good with your approach you'd be dead.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:55 pm LanMisa, Lime Coke and Manny are my townreads
I mean, like, if Manny is a wolf that means they tracked/watched/whatever falcon45ca to Seanzie and decided to out it in thread, then kill Seanzie and incriminate falcon45ca the next day?

Also I believe LanMisa and Lime Coke are pretty out of their wolf ranges. Does anyone disagree with this?
Don’t know LAN’s range

Lan simply doesn't need to be as reasonable towards me today as he is being if he's mafia.

Brad would appear to be out of his usual range which is why I have not got him in my solve but ranges can be busted and his day 3 and day 4 have been egregious and in his mafia meta.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:05 pm Do you mean that there are wolves in Mac’s wagon? Do you mean that wolves would have made a viable cw if Mac was a wolf?
Realistically both, like 5-1 as soon as day starts just makes my brain think its a villa specially considering they were mostly naked votes

You're familiar enough with both Creature and Brad to recognise that their curve right now is questionable right?

And Brad/Chelsea having been allowed to live as a shielding town mason pair until day 4?

Just want to point out my wagon is 4/5 of the same voters that voted Nanook out over a Chelsea c/w that was probably pure if I'm right about TSP.

I know that my arguments can be dismissed individually. The thing about mafia is that there's usually room for a dissenting point of view. But I've provided more solving today than anyone. Brad has literally naked voted me and not even otherwise posted. Creature is asleep at the wheel and being called obvious town for it. It's maddening to me.

I'm being accused of hard wolfsiding by slots that have done nothing but push town. If you analyse the trackable actuals the information is vividly the other way around. The only dead mafia I pushed. Most of my other pushes are all still alive so I probably pushed other mafia. Most of my townreads are all dead. All of the people who were townreading me or treating me in good faith are also all dead.

The information is vivid. Talking about me capping is dumb. Getting uppity about me dumping quotes from my own iso is also dumb. I need to get through to you. This is how it's done.

Now I'm gonna go to sleep soon. All the wolves will finally post some actual content I imagine. I also imagine it will suck. It's on the living town here to open their damn eyes.

But Maccy u keep saying things that sound defensive and agenda'd.

Yes I have the agenda of not being voted the fuck out so maybe my own rolecard is clouding my judgement.

Reality is I'm town. Manny is probably town. TSP is probably town. So you've cited her having an outed mafia and 3 probable town as maybe having two mafia in it as a reason to townread her so not a very strong reason.

Your reasons for townreading her are only supplanted by how tunneled and bad your reasons are to scumresd me lol.

Earlier in the game I called out there was mafia between Falcon and you. Epi and Falcon. I also called Falcon's role out but know who else knew Falcon's role?

2 mafia between those 4 names... hmmm well given Falcon was belly up that's not that impressive but I was also calling Manny and Falcon mafia all day yesterday so I had a similar solve to her and evidently you yet you guys seem to have me as outed.

Is it my TSP read that's the issue here? You guys think I have no good reason for townreading him? I townread Nook too. And Abi. And Scotty. And I townread you as well. Maybe I'm just good at mafia. Maybe instead of voting me out you should just let me kill all the wolves.

@Dunnstral can you please outline what about Chelsea's day 3 was so agreeable to you?

@TonyStarkPrime if you are town and you are townreading me you have unique information that shows Chelsea is a pure c/w to Nook with 3 votes.

Your perspective should be Chelsea is mafia. At min it should be Mac/Chelsea different.

The wagon on me right now is nearly entirely the same voters as the Nanook wagon.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:57 am Chelsea is the c/w and one of her voters died immediately.
Seanzie was rolecopped by mafia

Arguments you make like this feel like you are trying to push a narrative rather than thinking things through. It feels like you are picking and choosing your points and evidence.

You keep saying this like it changes anything. He is still a confirmed deceased town with pure town mindset voting Chelsea who is a counterwagon to a dead town that nearly my entire POE was voting. It lends to the fact that the Chelsea wagon is a pure c/w to Nook which almost always makes her outed mafia.

@Dunnstral I still very much have you top town and I know you are like heavily sus of me and I've somewhat avoided engaging but flatly I just don't think your argument is remotely good like... I dunno what else to say about it. You're caught up on such wifomy abstract shit and ignoring empirical stuff. If your arguments for suspecting me are the best ones you can muster on a day 4 here post flip you need to reeval.

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

If the dumb thing happens and I do die today you guys need to flip Chelsea with prejudice. Followed by Creature.

Hopefully Brad is town and self resolves once Chelsea is dead and mafia have no further utility for him.

Jack is still probably mafia but he's less likely now after I've had a reeval.

I'm sorry but the solution is there you guys just need to actually play optimally instead of wilding. I dunno why TSP is acting like we are in a bad state. This is the very first day since we got an actual pelt. It's a day to solve fiercely not a day to sleepwalk kill MacDougall. If Falcon flipped town I wouldn't begrudge you half as much.

I am beginning to think Manny is town again but I'm fairly locked on Chelsea and Creature in particular being mafia. Creature voting me d1 is actually entirely bizarre for how town Creature generally treats me, and I've not even factored that in til now.

This is very frustrating. And Lanmisa hasn't even come in yet and he's a big Mac hater lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:19 am Day 2 Poll

Day 2 elimination
Poll ended at Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:00 pm

Chelsea
3
15%
Voters: Seanzie, TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe / NANOOK
5
25%
Voters: LanMisa, Epignosis, Lime Coke, Creature, Chelsea
Dunnstral
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
1
5%
Voters: Scotty
LanMisa
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
1
5%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
1
5%
Voters: Dunnstral
MacDougall
1
5%
Voters: Manny
Manny
2
10%
Voters: Long Con, Jackofhearts2005
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination / Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote (no called vote needed)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Flat Sunset Sarsaparilla (spec)
5
25%
Voters: S~V~S, Justplayingitcool, ☆Princess Abigail☆, juliets, JaggedJimmyJay
Total votes: 20

Five living players voting Nanook over a Chelsea counterwagon with a dead town, TSP and ya boi on it.

There are clearly wolves voting Nanook here. Just on maths.

Chelsea is the c/w and one of her voters died immediately.

Chelsea has probably 3 town voting her here.

You wanna vote out a Chelsea voter here and not the actual c/w itself that clears me AND TSP?

Chelsea 0
No votes
Voters: None

Creature 0
No votes
Voters: None

DarlingMonroe 0
No votes
Voters: None

Dunnstral 0
No votes
Voters: None

Epignosis 1
5%
Voters: Manny

falcon45ca 0
No votes
Voters: None

Jackofhearts2005 0
No votes
Voters: None

LanMisa 0
No votes
Voters: None

Lime Coke 0
No votes
Voters: None

Long Con 0
No votes
Voters: None

MacDougall 1
5%
Voters: Creature

Manny 1
5%
Voters: Chelsea

Michelle 0
No votes
Voters: None

Princess Abigail 0
No votes
Voters: None

Scotty 2
10%
Voters: Long Con, Jackofhearts2005

Seanzie 3
14%
Voters: falcon45ca, Epignosis, MacDougall

sig 7
33%
Voters: Dunnstral, Michelle, Seanzie, Scotty, Lime Coke, ☆Princess Abigail☆, LanMisa

TonyStarkPrime 0
No votes
Voters: None

No elimination / Sleep 0
No votes
Voters: None

No vote / Unvote 1
5%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime

D1 eod.

There have been sig voters dying every night. None have flipped mafia thus far. Why are the mafia continuously killing sig voters? Only Lan, Brad and Dunnstral remain alive from the 7. Probably 1 mafia here at most. It's probably pure tbh.

Falcon was off wagon on Seanzie with Epi and I. I am town. Epi is probably not stacking with Falcon here because it's just not textbook wolf play.

LC now outed 3p and Jack voting Scotty who is now confirmed town. This is why I am saying Jack is probably outed by d1 vote logic. If Jack is not mafia, why are mafia not voting Scotty? This is basic wagonomics.

Creature off wagon on me. Chelsea off wagon on Manny. Manny off wagon on Epi
TSP not voting at all.

Mafia under zero threat so they can all split and throw votes on vanities and call it a day.

They do that then go to night and prioritise killing two townie sig voters. Then another n2. Then another n3. They don't likely do this if one is on sig because it narrows them down into a smaller solvable group.

Jack is very likely mafia. Manny/Chelsea is probably 1 between them. Creature is probably the third.

This is the basis of my analysis I did over night

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:03 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:49 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:45 am Mac's slot will self-resolve at this point

Either he's alive past D3 cuz he's a wolf, or he's gonna get shot
If my reads suck as bad as Chelsea and Lan say why would I get shot n3?

Sounds like a wolf claim to me.

Do you think Michelle and Neon were NK'd cuz their reads were spot on?
Sick non argument that doesn't apply to me.

Ah yes tell me more how I'm a wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:59 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)

I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
While I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.

I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.

Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)

I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?
Seanzie and Scotty are both very town.
If you have posts that show where that I most likely missed do let me know.
Try page 1 and 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:59 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)

I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
While I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.

I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.

Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)

I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?
Seanzie and Scotty are both very town.

Hey look guys it's Chelsea issuing hedgy bs analysis of a wolf and an alive nothing slot and pushing two obvious towns. And what's that... Mac defending the towns.

I'm utterly egregious.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:49 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:45 am Mac's slot will self-resolve at this point

Either he's alive past D3 cuz he's a wolf, or he's gonna get shot
If my reads suck as bad as Chelsea and Lan say why would I get shot n3?

Sounds like a wolf claim to me.

Come on ppl.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:03 am If Falcon is in your PoE, it's a better idea to be voting him and keeping the wagons readable than just yoloing onto a random slot to create an extra wagon imo.

Literally telling Brad to vote the wolf.

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