The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Mac, why would you self-preserve vote DrWilgy?

Reckon I can get the sucker lynched.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Why?

Probably because you are the serial killer and you missed your kill last night.

Bitch, I don't miss PMs.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I would say the scum are just hiding their votes on non viable candidates and lying low mostly. I would say there are two scum at most voting for me, a serial killer, two OMGUS votes and elohcin.

I'm not a scum, serial killer, OMGUS, or Elohcin.

Nah you are one of those.

Epignosis wrote:

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Why?

Probably because you are the serial killer and you missed your kill last night.

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Ricochet wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Actually, that could work.

Anybody up for a CFD? I nominate Wilgy.

How about we stay put?

Silence! Fiend! Allow me to experience a modicum of freedom before I am wrongly removed from society.

You Americans and your death penalties. Another in a long line of innocents put to death by a disgusting and stupid system.

So how long til I am lynched?

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

Hey look a dismissive reaction. He must be scum.

Ricochet wrote:Random thought right now: could either Zebra or FZ. have been Take me to the River? They both died N3, my poll removal D4 must have been activated regardless, but since I haven't seen any new removals. Zebra wanting to block me on D4, after how much he suspected me, but getting it randomized the other way, could make sense.

Seems accurate.

RadicalFuzz wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Because he is obvscum. Bullzeye is scum. Fuzz is scum. Look to the throwaway votes imo.

You got me excited that you actually thought I was scum, but then you don't list me in your next post. I feel neglected. I also feel annoyed that you asked me to put in work on post analysis and then call the result of that post analysis a throwaway vote. Would you rather me ignore the conclusions I've come to?

You are correct, however, that the inverse is true for you. With so many players pushing your lynch that's a slight indication that you're not scum.

Well it is a throwaway vote in the sense that it was alone. I agree with your analysis of Wilgy though. I was just starting to just name people with few votes on them and then decided to look a bit closer. You town. He scum.

I would say those are unusual cases. This one is your typical town driven scum hide elsewhere mislynch.

Self pres voting wilgy

Bullzeye
Motel room
Sig
Metalmarsh
Wilgy
Russ

Because he is obvscum. Bullzeye is scum. Fuzz is scum. Look to the throwaway votes imo.

I would say the scum are just hiding their votes on non viable candidates and lying low mostly. I would say there are two scum at most voting for me, a serial killer, two OMGUS votes and elohcin.

6 votes on me and the rest scattered all around. No counterwagon forming. Yeah this doesn't seem like a mislynch at all.

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

Are you going to say Mac is bad next?

@Epi, I'm back on phone now and don't have time to quote pull. The reason I believe is because role blocks exist in this game. Psycho killer, can't submit a night action if they don't have one.

Mac, stating that you are SK on a night were there is no psycho kill, and him being a scummy scummertston, fufill all the conditions for him to either be baddie roleblocker, or in btsc with baddie roleblocker. Matt's statement of Mac is bad and Epi is SK help confirm my thoughts, and russ stating that you are most likely SK may place him in the btsc with Mac.

The stench of scum is strong here.

RadicalFuzz wrote:MM, my logic is as follows. If Wilgy was town and I was wrongly pushing him, Mafia would want to help me push his mislynch, and there would be at least some mention of him. However, the opposite applies, it's very hard to get the ball rolling to lynch Mafia because a portion of the game is actively working to prevent that. It's a small thing, but enough to irk me. I'm not asking players to talk about Wilgy, everyone will naturally talk about their preferred topic, but I'm observing a disconcerting silence. Were you buddying with me on this topic because you wanted to push Wilgy or wanted to get me to look at you favorably?

Wilgy I'm asking J3 many questions because he's both around to answer them and I want him to answer them incorrectly. To my dismay he hasn't yet responded illogically. And if that's your roundabout way of asking me whether I think J3 is town or not, the answer is complicated. I would vote for him in lieu of concrete evidence for anybody else, but my suspicion of him is still extremely circumstantial.

So the inverse of this is that I am town right?

Yawn. Wattup.

No your case wouldn't hold up in a court of law. Maybe some kangaroo forums mafia court though.

I agree with Jimmy.

Strawhenge cum?

I always thought distancing was just not interacting at all.

RadicalFuzz wrote:With the information that I believe you're trying to tell me with that, Wilgy, I don't see how that changes my conclusion. I don't have anything to work off of here, so rather than assume some hidden shenanigans I have to base my conclusions off of what I can see. You're not making me feel better by continually making vague statements that you can't or won't back up when that's a part of my suspicion against you. Until you can convince me otherwise, and I sincerely hope you do, my conclusion is that you're scum and my vote will stay on you.

Metalmarsh, I don't feel inclined to make a case that you're scum at this moment.

See, this guy gets it.

RadicalFuzz tell em all how town I am.

Strawhenge wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Placeholder on BR for now. Could be convinced to go with Mac today, or, to a lesser extent, Epi.

Don't wait to be convinced by others to vote for me. If you want to lynch me, convince others to do it.

And prepare for the consequences if you prove successful.

Thing is, I think you're more likely the SK than a baddie, and thus not worth going after for the moment. I also think we have really strong baddie leads to pursue first.

Also, you are much better at arguing than me, and until there's more natural head support I feel that going after you hard would end up with me dead and you laughing.

WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?

Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Why is that bullshit? He basically says he agrees with you that Epi is the SK.

So you are just ignoring the part where he said he thinks I might be evil.

I think he might be evil.

I think it's possible that maybe it's likely perhaps that he could potentially be scum.

Because I am playing weird

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Placeholder on BR for now. Could be convinced to go with Mac today, or, to a lesser extent, Epi.

Don't wait to be convinced by others to vote for me. If you want to lynch me, convince others to do it.

And prepare for the consequences if you prove successful.

Thing is, I think you're more likely the SK than a baddie, and thus not worth going after for the moment. I also think we have really strong baddie leads to pursue first.

Also, you are much better at arguing than me, and until there's more natural head support I feel that going after you hard would end up with me dead and you laughing.

WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?

Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:So either the mafia or the serial killer has not sent in their kill?

Yeah nah.

Is there any other way to interpret a post given to us by the host? We have a clear failed kill by a mafioso and no mention of a failed kill by the SK.

Mods, does a role block constitute a failure to attempt or a failure to succeed?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If the SK's kill fails, it will be shown in the host post as having failed. If the kill is not attempted at all, it will be ignored.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If the Mafia or Serial Killer is prevented from making a kill for whatever reason, do you still show their kill attempt in the Night Post? If the Mafia or Serial Killer simply don't make an attempt, do you completely ignore them in the Night Post?

Thank you

Yes to both questions.

So either the mafia or the serial killer has not sent in their kill?

Yeah nah.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You're a fool, and I hope you get lynched.

For someone who has been critical of my reactions, you sure are imitating them.

Not imitating. Just stating facts. You are a fool.

Anybody who criticised me for being dismissive and for being rude speak up or forever be a hypocrite.

A fool is someone who has been fooled or speaks foolishness. You are, by definition, a fool.

And a bad fool.

You sure showed me. I guess I'll just tuck tail and stop hounding you about the fact that you are the serial killer and missed your kill last night and will kill two townies tonight.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You're a fool, and I hope you get lynched.

For someone who has been critical of my reactions, you sure are imitating them.

Not imitating. Just stating facts. You are a fool.

Anybody who criticised me for being dismissive and for being rude speak up or forever be a hypocrite.

Epignosis wrote:You're a fool, and I hope you get lynched.

For someone who has been critical of my reactions, you sure are imitating them.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Today is the day where Epignosis survives the lynch and then kills two townies because lol.

Come at me you little shit. I'm having your head today.

MacDougall

You may ask yourself. Is this how a townie would respond to these accusations. And you may ask yourself, what about a really pissed off serial killer? And you may ask yourself, with such an obvious serial killer alive right now why aren't I voting him?

Everything you say is from a place of murderous intent so I am choosing to ignore you.

Epignosis wrote:You wanted Sorsha's head for information.

What information do you have?

That you missed a kill last night.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Today is the day where Epignosis survives the lynch and then kills two townies because lol.

Come at me you little shit. I'm having your head today.

MacDougall

Name calling. Waddaguy!

No, no. It's a term of endearment from my wife's late grandmother.

Fair deuce. I call my friends cunt all the time.

Here's where the scum team's head is at right now.

1. I get lynched. 1 townie dead.
2. Serial killer hits the double action townie, possible 2 townie dead.
3. Vig by then has a slightly higher than 50% chance of hitting a town player.

So lynch me at your own peril my friends.

Matt, you may ask yourself how did the scum team kill miss. And you may ask yourself, why did the SK miss appear differently in the thread. And you may ask yourself, how does that make sense?

I suggest you strongly ponder on that.

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Today is the day where Epignosis survives the lynch and then kills two townies because lol.

Come at me you little shit. I'm having your head today.

MacDougall

Name calling. Waddaguy!

Today is the day where Epignosis survives the lynch and then kills two townies because lol.

I think you will find the truth lies somewhere in the middle, is out there and will also set you free.

Ricochet wrote:Back to dismissive reactions, I see.

Ricochet wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Rico, I apologize sincerely for this, man, but I cannot read your megaposts at all. I'm plenty worn out from sheer thread volume to be trying to read that. I'm sure you have good points, but I see them and my eyes unfocus and everything looks all blurry. Would you including a helpful td:lr? Thanks in advance.

It's alright. I'm mad...and that's a fact.

Essentially, I think we've been on a course the past Days in which not only our lynches have turned out civ, but our second wagons have turned out civ as well, which to me is a sign that we may be on a road to nowhere. So I'm proposing to look into what I pointed out are the extremes of interactions between LC and players and the other way around: the players who criticised him the most, the players who have BOTD'd him and I'd even add the players who kept the most mum about him .

I've so far analysed sig, motel room and Mac in the first category and pointed out neither of them look very good, considering they've suspected LC with, and this is important, quick reactions to the bea case he put forward, yet never pulled the trigger on him, except some on Day 2 (sig, motel - not Mac, though).

I believe Mac is a baddie because what I initially though was pretty solid questioning of LC on D1 looks, upon revision, to be quite shallow (and he departed from that train completely, too), his D2 approval of the LC lynch, in sync with it catching fire, but without ever finalizing that with a vote, looks like sideline cheering and since then he's fully endorsed the "let's lynch LC defenders", the trend that I mentioned above to have given us no good results, casting votes on Golden and Sorsha. There are also questionable stances he made, throughout the game, on lynching seaside, lynching Sorsha and dedicating a day to focus on the SK.

His relationship with LC and viceversa was always antagonistic, with several moments that could cast him in a genuine spot, but given all the above, it makes me strongly consider it to have been very strong distancing.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Why don't you trust me, Eloh?

'cause maybe your your long helpful posts really aren't helpful after all.

So what you're saying is, just because they're long, doesn't make them good.

Hilarious! But I actually wouldn't know. I've stuck with the same one since forever.

What?

I was talking about vacations.

Ricochet wrote:Hoping there be more votes there, actually.

Also, fixed.

Ricochet wrote:You don't have to argue with how I chose to interpret. Argue with what I interpreted. Defend yourself.

You say that me and LC's interactions make me look scummy. I think they don't...

I made a light gut read on him very early. It was clearly right. Maybe he was phoning it in because of the other games he's running or whatever. I doubt he'd get himself bussed on day 2. That'd be a dick move for a guy with cred around here. As a scum teammate for me to do that to him at the point of the game would be ... well if someone did that to me I wouldn't be impressed.

As for the Flowers thing. I thought I made a pretty valid point about that role being dangerous. Look what happened to Devin from vote manipulation roles. The argument that LC tried to make has been proven invalid later in the game anyway because that happened to Devin and we've nothing to glean from it. Had LC been able to act on a wagon with his role, there are too many other roles at play that could have been responsible for us to satisfactorily conclude he was on said wagon anyway. So I've made a reasonable point in the thread and got the scum player to bite.

LC probably had a poor outing because of other reasons. To give him the benefit of the doubt and to say that he got himself bussed is the same kind of bullshit that almost stopped him getting lynched in the first place.

I never voted on LC's wagon. So to say I bussed him is wrong there anyway. My interactions with him were crucial to getting him lynched but if the argument is that he was bussed and I was part of it, it's flawed. My vote was elsewhere the whole time. I won't deny that. I had a bigger scum read elsewhere. LC's reaction to me is more what I believe makes me look town, than anything I particularly did.

At that point if I had have kept supertowning with all the town reads on me I'd have been night killed by now. It's okay for people to have scum reads on me now because it's a defense mechanism. I still don't think I'll get lynched because there are more than enough players here who know exactly what and why I am playing this way.

Now if you think anything else I've done is scummy, well I can't argue with you there because ever since I've been playing as scummy as fuck.

Ricochet wrote:Reads are not representations of history, they're interpretations of history. I am reading into what you did and finding it good or bad, consistent or otherwise, etc.

What Mafia class am I attending, suddenly suspicions and reads are classified as "it's, like, your opinion man" and that's that?

I'll rephrase the summary of my content on you, for clarity.

I've written:
a) facts about your gameplay, taken directly from your post history
b) reads on how your gameplay looks to me, at various stages of your gameplay (aka in this case my suspicions)
c) a conclusion of my reads (aka, in this case, that I find you to be bad)

The b) and c) are discernible in that content, they're not mixed or hidden in some mumble jumble or anything, so I don't see the problem to pick them and address them.

You want to go on record that everything I suspect you for is just my opinion? That's fine. Can't say it changes things, however.

No, your conclusions and interpretations are yours. Your expressions of what occurred are inarguable. I can't argue with how you choose to interpret what you see dude.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote: -- intermediary thoughts on how the history makes you look
-- conclusion

But these parts are the parts that are just not correct representations of said history is all. It's your opinion though so knock yourself out.

My friend Rico. Can I call you Rico? Rico baby, I genuinely just can't be bothered reading your second huge MacDougallcentric post and I took the opportunity to amuse myself with some comedy posts rather than give myself an aneurysm and get myself all worked up reading it. I expect others will just skim it or not read it and put their vote on me though. Especially the actual scum (and Epignosis and Matt for sure will come in here and put their votes on me) Did I genuinely offend you? The way you quoted bullshit there makes me feel like that might have hurt your feelings. Rico, friend, confidante, I'm not here to harm, maim or offend. I'm here to catch scum.

Now, what time is it where you are? Beer time here. Care to talk this over, over a frosty cold beer?

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote: snip

Yeah I'm just gonna go ahead and not read that because I'm town and I expect that it's all just a bunch of bullshit really.

You could have said the same thing without snipping my entire post (lmfao ). Snipping content is a scum tell around here, just fyi.

I agree, we don't have to go all day over this. So anytime you want to concede, buddy, I'll take it.

That's funny because I'm pretty sure someone else said that not snipping posts was annoying before.

If you want me to reply to your false case on me at least do me the kindness of summarising your points down to a digestible size.

linki: Dude don't banalise my awesome posts.

I have no issues with quotes being extracted from my posts, if context is preserved, especially if I made a multiple-topic post. But com'on, you basically hit del on the whole thing.

I was also moreover referencing the Syndicate mentality that if you snip and decontextualize, you'll probably get eyeballed.

I'm sorry, but no. You have my reads and the points I'm making out of them can actually be extracted. If you would have said that your issue is the post length and verbosity, we could have worked on improving the customer service, but you didn't. You instead were more keen on making my reads on you sound like they're:

-- banal
-- big chunk of nothing
-- scum tactic to seduce the civ crowd
-- "bullshit"
-- "false case"

You want a fresh start after calling shit on my reads in such manner as above? Heh.

So you have no desire to allow me to defend myself without having to spend 35 minutes reading your rewrite of Crime and Punishment. Okay that's cool.