The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I'm not scared of you mac. I'm House Atriedes, and I wouldn't have any objection to you using whatever means you had at your disposal to test me to prove it

I tend expect some kind of tactical approach to lynching. If Floyd was lynched instead of sig, how much better would sig AND th look? That's the kind of baddie move I'd be making. TH went to the championships on our behalf... and he spent his last day in the game talking about how terribly he has played. All of these baddies have played a game that (whether intentional or not) certainly makes floyd LOOK civvie - and that is my point.

I'm not sure why you would be eyeing me when there is only one harkonnen left (even acknowledging the concept of a traitor I just brought up). What is exactly your reason for thinking baddie golden would protect FZ and not be happy just to watch her go down?

Golden wrote:I think Floyd being bad would make TH's votes make a lot more sense in context. Why so overtly try to save two teammates so late? Possibly because a successful outcome would have created civ cred.

My order at the moment would probably be Floyd > FZ > Luke.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:So like. FZ is getting lynched tomorrow then?

Yes please. This is officially my worst game ever E_V_E_R

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MacDougall wrote:

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MacDougall wrote:

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MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:Haha, I wrote Mac as bad. That was a surprise. That's what gun to head will do to you.

Basically, I think Mac is being quite careful this game.

So it's a surprise to you but then you have an explanation for it. Ok.

How am I being careful? The whole policy lynch thing did happen you know.

I wasn't really thinking about you much, but when your name was brought up, this is what my first reaction was. Apart from your day 1 policy vote, and wanting to know about zebra's suspicions of you, you didn't really confront anyone. The day 1 thing is easy to do as a scum, and nothing really came out from the zebra thing.

I am not disputing that my policy lynch push could easily be from scum. I am disputing that it could be considered careful.

What? What do you mean? Have you even read my posts? I contributed heavily to Zebs mislynch. I have confronted heaps of players. Why are you lying?

LOL, I'm not lying. Why are you so defensive?
Yes, I've read your posts. Most of them. That's just the feeling I get from you. I told you earlier in the game, you are acting very different from TH game, and I can't decide if this is because you are on a different side this time, or because you're deliberately trying to be different.

You said I am being careful. You said I didn't confront anyone. Both demonstratable lies. I am not just being defensive. I am assertively questioning you saying wrong things about me and am wondering what you have to gain from putting wrong things out there about me.

Have I not confronted anybody FZ? Answer again please.

If the answer is that I have. Please explain why you said that I hadn't.

If the answer is that I haven't then please explain what my interactions with yourself, Golden, MattF, Zebra both versions, Elo, SVS, bea and TH amount to.

Cheers.

Well, excuse me if I don't have every post you made engraved in my memory. I told you, when there was a gun to my head, I thought of you as being careful. Do you now want me to go and look up your conversations with people? Sorry, I won't do it.
What confrontation have you had with Golden? With me (that's our first one if I recall)?
Now that you mention it, I do recall you suspecting Eloh. Sew me for forgetting it. I seriously don't see the point in this discussion. Do you think I'm faking something? If so, just say it. Don't ask questions that will do nothing.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:Haha, I wrote Mac as bad. That was a surprise. That's what gun to head will do to you.

Basically, I think Mac is being quite careful this game.

So it's a surprise to you but then you have an explanation for it. Ok.

How am I being careful? The whole policy lynch thing did happen you know.

I wasn't really thinking about you much, but when your name was brought up, this is what my first reaction was. Apart from your day 1 policy vote, and wanting to know about zebra's suspicions of you, you didn't really confront anyone. The day 1 thing is easy to do as a scum, and nothing really came out from the zebra thing.

I am not disputing that my policy lynch push could easily be from scum. I am disputing that it could be considered careful.

What? What do you mean? Have you even read my posts? I contributed heavily to Zebs mislynch. I have confronted heaps of players. Why are you lying?

LOL, I'm not lying. Why are you so defensive?
Yes, I've read your posts. Most of them. That's just the feeling I get from you. I told you earlier in the game, you are acting very different from TH game, and I can't decide if this is because you are on a different side this time, or because you're deliberately trying to be different.

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:FZ and TH have it in for Floyd and his lurker friends.

I'm looking at Luke more than Floyd at this point. I have nothing against Nanners other than he isn't playing.

What do you think of Luke's Day 3 vote?

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:Haha, I wrote Mac as bad. That was a surprise. That's what gun to head will do to you.

Basically, I think Mac is being quite careful this game.

So it's a surprise to you but then you have an explanation for it. Ok.

How am I being careful? The whole policy lynch thing did happen you know.

I wasn't really thinking about you much, but when your name was brought up, this is what my first reaction was. Apart from your day 1 policy vote, and wanting to know about zebra's suspicions of you, you didn't really confront anyone. The day 1 thing is easy to do as a scum, and nothing really came out from the zebra thing.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Zebs I don't recall seeing a change of heart on your Elo scum read until this game. What gives?

meh

Matt F wrote:I was about to vote for Turnip, but he already has a few votes and I believe he'll most likely be lynched today.

If people want an alternate candidate, I suggest bea.

One self-vote, one no vote, and a day where she was pushing to save sig, in my eyes.

Happy to see either of them lynched today.

FZ. wrote:Haha, I wrote Mac as bad. That was a surprise. That's what gun to head will do to you.

Basically, I think Mac is being quite careful this game.

a2thezebra wrote:Gun-to-head reads anyone? Obviously not now since everyone is asleep.

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.

If you are civ - I understand how much it sucks to be in this position. I've been there. I did the iso on Sorsha in part because I was feeling like 'don't just assume everything is this easy'... and it would have been a great ploy if sorsha was bad all along.

But of course - you could feel that particular statement is completely true no matter what affiliation you are.

This has got to be Top 5 in my worst civ performances of all time. I'm not a player who earns a lot of trust so I know I'm always on a short leash. I can't be this wrong about everything and expect people to still trust me.

This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum. I've left no wiggle room when I've been on the wrong side of two scum lynches when they were both practically handed to us, and I point blank defended both of them.

So I've made my peace with being lynched for my sins. My body is ready.

Elohcin wrote:

bea wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?

Because he was forced to vote Sig. I have already said this more than once.

Elohcin wrote:I agree with you that the reasons you find me suspicious are in fact the actions of others. I am not sure what I have done, ME!!!, to make you think I am mafia. Also, why would I be the vote forcer as golden said AND be a part of the baddie team that redirected the vote forcer onto one of their own. That is silly.

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:I would strongly advise against an Eloh lynch at this stage. I don't think Mac is correct. It was Eloh's conduct yesterday which led me to realise sig could be bad. There is a lot of stuff Eloh said yesterday that seems both unnecessary and actively hurtful to her own team if she was sig's teammate.

I agree with this.

I'd like to look at TH today for sure. Others as well but I haven't had a chance to review anything in light of sig turning up bad.

Golden wrote:I would strongly advise against an Eloh lynch at this stage. I don't think Mac is correct. It was Eloh's conduct yesterday which led me to realise sig could be bad. There is a lot of stuff Eloh said yesterday that seems both unnecessary and actively hurtful to her own team if she was sig's teammate.

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm getting tired of the Golden/zebra fight. I'm pretty sure I'm looking at a civ Golden, but I don't agree with him. I'm also a lot more inclined to call zebra a civ than a baddie.


I want to discuss Eloh. What do people think of her bandwagon on the "overreaction" of zebra?
I think my vote might go there, but I'd like to hear people's thoughts.

The post that pinged you also pinged me.

MacDougall wrote:I'm just looking through Metalmarsh's ISO. It's really quite unusual how little he fought against his lynch.

Here are some of the more interesting posts:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Floyd's description of my posts thus far is pretty accurate, and I think he's behaved differently than in his first game on this site, and I mean that in a good way. I know I've voted him, but I can't really endorse lynching him.

Elohcin on the other hand, looks to be in the same boat as me, just not really caught up. I don't think there are anything in her posts to call her good or bad.

I feel like here we have him actually telling us that Floyd is not scum. I don't think Floyd has behaved differently at all so for him to say that he has is weird. I would be inclined to think that his Floyd read is in the case of Floyd being lynched (which to him would be a likely thing to have happen) and him flipping town, Marsh would be able to pull an I told you so. If Floyd was scum, and both were up for lynch with no decent town wagon I would bet cold hard cash that the scum would bus Floyd over Marsh.

Perhaps a little bit intentionally unclear in his read on Elo? If Elohcin was town it would probably be prudent for him to be more decisive on his read on her, yet he chooses to not participate in that line of thought at all. A slight negative read on Elo from this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:Marmot barely posted in this thread for days, and then suddenly appeared when people said it was suspicious. I don't think lynching him would be unfair - that's very odd behaviour for a marmot.

Do you have a problem with my impeccable timing?

Engaging in some bantz with Golden, which was a recurring theme.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:

bea wrote:Do you guys really think I'm bad? like really?

I don't think that this is quite what either of us said

But I do really think you could be bad. I just haven't figured you out yet.

Could be bad?

Well, anyone could be bad, whether you think it or not . :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm busy knitting a stillsuit.

I'm calling bullsuit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, votes are not changeable in this poll.

Or any other poll.

Oh hi Golden, long see, no time.

I see Golden put the last vote on Metalmarsh which at the time put him ahead on the vote count 5 to 3 and votes from Turnip Head and FZ tied it up. At face value this would appear to make Golden a hero of the lynch but considering the lynch almost got overtaken by the Floyd lynch at the last and these bantz posts rub me the wrong way, I'm going to have a bit more of a look at Golden's Metalmarsh posts after this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Voted Turnip Head because I owe him one.

It would be so easy to say that Turnip Head tried to get Metalmarsh unlynched at the end of the day (because he did) and that this vote from Marsh on day 1 is quite clear scum distancing. A little too easy though. It'd be hard to argue that Turnip be put on trial hard for this but something about it feels wrong.

Conclusion:

Due to the fact that the lynch ended up tied I would say that it's unlikely there would be more than at most 1 scum on his bus, likely actually 0 and if there was it'd be someone who got their vote on him early and couldn't get it off, but even then that would just be something to consider later in the game because we can really only applaud them at face value. Out of all of them I'd say it'd be most likely to be S-V-S and I say that at risk of being accused of tunneling. I can't knock the fact that she voted on the lynch wagon of a scum and if she is civ I applaud her for it, just that if there were a bus on here it would be her and likely her alone.

It's probably prudent to point out that Marsh and I had quite a bit of interaction on day 1 and I think it reflects pretty well on me.

As for Turnip and FZ's votes. It's hard to look past them for certain. At 5-3 scum players embarking on a rescue mission is damn near suicide though, especially since they failed. I can't see Turnip or FZ as scum doing that without being sure they'd have the numbers to get it over the line and since there was no later votes on Marsh than there was on Floyd I find it hard to rationalise them as scum trying to save a scum buddy.

I feel like Metalmarsh has actually not communicated with most or all of the scum. I think we can probably make some headway looking for situations where Marsh appeared to actually avoid talking about or to players when he had cause to. This would bring bea and Elohcin heavily into calculations.

MacDougall wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:@Mac - Eloh ended up with no votes because she wasn't on the poll. Does that change your view?

Niju tried to vote for her though right?

Yes, but if they were teammates together do you think ninja would have had more awareness that she wasn't on the poll and not made that post, or do you think the 'trying to vote for her' would have been part of the ruse?

It certainly changes my opinion. The scenario is less likely. Don't overlook the fact that they could just as easily have not communicated. Niju might have made that post without conferring with Elo or the team. I feel like the assumption that the scum are always communicating at every waking moment is quite false.

But yes, less likely. I still like scum being in that duo there.

What is your read on that play?

This would be a cool baddie move, but it isn't what happened b/c I am not bad and have no BTSC with Niju. I am not sure of her alliance however.

Well of course you would say that. If you aren't bad then why did you choose to vote for Niju and not actually play a part in the final vote of a tied lynch?

MacDougall wrote:Does anyone not have a scum read on Elo?

It seems like everyone thinks she is a badder, Metalmarsh kept serious distance between them and she somehow got zero votes.

If that ain't a scummer I dunno what is.

MacDougall wrote:I think sig's ISO is damning for Elo.

He had soft suspicions of her with no case. Always read her with another player who he said was more suspicous and never voted her.

Matt F wrote:Very nice result.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:And, I think the last two (there are two left, right?) Are Zebra and TH. Just sayin'.

Not FZ? She pretty much was in charge of the Save Sig committee.

And the Save MM committee.

Golden wrote:Fair enough. I doubt you'll take my word for it. I know mine was forced, and I have good reason to feel sure that SVS and Mac's were as well. I don't have the same level of certainty on Matt F, but how much more unlikely is 4 than 3. I think if anyone was a cop role, they likely would have pushed harder on the 'despite votes being forced, lets not rule sig out as civ', which at times it felt like I was the only one with any actual suspicion on him and I'll admit that even so I doubt I would have voted for him if not for the event.

I also think there is clear evidence from the person responsible that all the votes were legitimately forced. Do you see what I'm referring to?

Per the underline, I also have good reason to believe SVS was forced, considering the admitted mistake by Epi. What gives you reason to assume that Mac's vote was forced more then mine?

MacDougall wrote:I reckon Matt is the solo rogue and is the vote manip.

Believe me, I wish I could take credit for this. Ironically, I never even suspected sig until today's events transpired. I actually begin to think he was bad because of the manip.

Anyway, right now...

SVS thinks I'm Harkonnen. Golden thinks I'm civ aligned indy. And I really don't know what Mac thinks.

Regardless, happy for the result. It was a good one.

Linki - Really Zebra? Why? Give me your case. In fact, Mac, give me your case. Please.

Elohcin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I've seen this said a few times now. Why do you not put out your reads during the night?

If you are town and the scum kill you we have your thoughts. The scum killing a town version of you seems unlikely to me since you have a bit of suspicion on you.

I don't get it?

If the baddies kill me, I'm blaming you Mac

This is what I had written to share.....

I know you guys think I am crazy for my initial thoughts on Zebra's "overreaction". I had dropped the whole thing b/c she said she was joking and all. (i.e. my "you should have used sarcastic orange" comment.) I know some of you still harped on it, but for no good reason as I didn't suspect her any longer and did not vote for her (as I said). BUT!!!! Look at her vote in the poll. 5th overall, right after MM got two votes. I think she could be bad and felt like she needed to get eyes looking at another lynch possibility. I also think TH and FZ are possible baddies. I am not sure about Sig. If Zebra is bad, then I bet sig is civ and vise-versa. Also, I think Bea may be bad as well but that's just a hunch.

Turnip Head wrote:FLOYD