The Syndicate

DrWilgy's references to Floyd...

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:It feels like a new post-juliets dawn where new suspicions need to come forth.

I have two clear thoughts so far. The first is that I can see a scenario where Dr Wilgy is bad and on the Cabal and they set up his 'death' knowing the night wouldn't count for cred. My impression from TH, and it was backed up somewhat when I asked about it in the thread, is that this is exactly the kind of gambit Wilgy would enjoy. It seems up his alley.

I am no longer intoxicated

Golden, how many times have we been on a team together? What makes you think this is up my alley?

You pretty just answered him by saying, "Wifom?" When, really, he was saying that this is totally something you would do. Also, it doesn't have to be up your alley or have been your idea, even. It could have been a scheme thought out by others on your team, and you cooperated with it. How would it not be up your alley, by the way?

And why did you ask people to night kill you? And why did you stop after night 6.1?

It also makes sense why LC would have told us late what the results of the first non-night were. Someone on your team reminded him.

Idk... Seems too simple... My schemes are more fun! Besides if I really wanted to have some clear, why would I ask people to kill me, rather than go with the flow? Just seems like too much work for something so insignificant. Also, why me rather than a teammate if that was the plan? Why wouldn't we save that play for when someone else needs an EZ clear.... Yes! This is why it's not my plan. Too many holes. Too many flaws. I wouldn't accept the plan even if it was my teamates.

I wanted to die because I didn't wanna play at the time... Better! I didnt wanna catch up DX

I do enjoy the speculation regarding the delay. Y'know... Considering this isn't the only time it has happened. Was this speculation genuine though... That is the questionoly.

Linki - Timmer, IDK bae. If those coincidences or gambits were forced to get me somewhat "cleared" as others described, it seems to be doing a pretty shitty job

In response to your wifom switcheroo goodness, I do think you would do it. I'm not sure your teammates would give you the chance to "accept" it, as I don't know who they are, but I know sometimes folks run with ideas before waiting to hear other views, why wouldn't you just ask for a replacement if you didn't want to play, I'm guessing that LC was reminded at other times about things he forgot to post (but your death is the only one connected to a baddie team, and why would anyone else necessarily want the result public, other than those who carried out the kill--and how would anyone other than the person that made it happen know that the original result was supposed to be in the post), why would the baddie team even care unless the result was significant, and yes the speculation is genuine.

And to your linkitis: sometimes plans don't go as planned.

Actually I replaced in! Also asking for a replacement isn't how I work.

I swapped in thinking I would have more time than what I did. Luckily I have recently regained the time.

I'm not sure about the floyd bonfire. Floyd and I were on the same team during TH and he never asked for a replacement even though he had some stoof to deal with. Seeing him ask for replacement now makes me think he has no commitment or team.

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Matt F wrote:I might have to reread Lorab as well. She voted for Mac the first two days juliets was on the chopping block, but on the third day voted for juliets after juliets had already taken 7 votes. Hmmmm

Please do. I have nothing to hide. If you have any questions, please ask. I'm civ, and all my actions have been civ. eye me all you want.

Right now Bullz has taken priority over both you and HBoy. However, feel free to post on your meds, I still think that would be epic

See this is a good indication that you have had one OH YEAH ping and now you're preparing to tunnel Bullzeye for the rest of the game.

Sorsha wrote:I think we've been over Floyd enough and it's time to finally get an answer on this so- voting Floyd.

Let's do it.

Wilgy come to the Floyd bonfire chode.

That looks more like a proper invitation I'll be there.

Step 1: Unsure about the Floyd bonfire
Step 2: Hell yeah to the Floyd bonfire

Such consistency. Much scum.

LoRab wrote:I actually find floyd more suspicious with his desire to be replaced. I feel like a newer player who was civ would go with the flow and argue that they weren't bad, but a baddie is more likely to not know how to defend, and steps out. I would consider changing a vote there.

This one single post is the entire extent of LoRab's ISO referring to Floyd.

LoRab wrote:I look forward to my ISO. I predict that there are things on it that people don't get because I'm a bit out there, that I tend to stick to suspicions, even past the time that others have given those same suspicions up, and that I was away for a bit. All of which are true. None of which make me bad. I'm civ this game. Everything I've done has been civ. But eye me all you want.

I'm falling asleep shortly, so may not have time to answer stuff about me until tomorrow. Just saying now so no one is waiting for a response. I'll try to stay up to answer stuff, though.

I'm like 90% sure you're scum, but let's stay tuned.

The fact that you have had an 8 day scumread of me and didn't even mention that you're numero uno scum read is the one that called for your ISO is quite funny.

Okay Bullzeye you're adequately defended who do you think is scum?

MacDougall wrote:Matt can you put your ISO and tunnel skills to use on the following players;

LoRab
Tranq

Throw Turnip Head into that too please.

Matt can you put your ISO and tunnel skills to use on the following players;

LoRab
Tranq

Matt F wrote:Mac - Do you believe Bullzeye to be civvie, is that why you are sighing at a possible tunnel of him? Or is it because it's me?

90% sure he's civ.

90% sure HB is civ.

90% sure you are civ.

Matt F wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Matt F wrote:I might have to reread Lorab as well. She voted for Mac the first two days juliets was on the chopping block, but on the third day voted for juliets after juliets had already taken 7 votes. Hmmmm

Please do. I have nothing to hide. If you have any questions, please ask. I'm civ, and all my actions have been civ. eye me all you want.

Right now Bullz has taken priority over both you and HBoy. However, feel free to post on your meds, I still think that would be epic

See this is a good indication that you have had one OH YEAH ping and now you're preparing to tunnel Bullzeye for the rest of the game.

Sorsha wrote:I think we've been over Floyd enough and it's time to finally get an answer on this so- voting Floyd.

Let's do it.

Wilgy come to the Floyd bonfire chode.

Matt F wrote:Wilgy, get yourself over to the Metalmarsh bonfire. Juliets' teammate HBoy is over here, but we can all still work together to get rid of the crazy Doctor...

Hosts - If a Mafia team is eliminated, will we be told?

There is no way in the world that HamburgerBoy is juliets teammate.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Feeling that Bass is a badder here despite my turnip vote.

What do you think about Floyd? Those are the two i'm contemplating between right now. Id like to finally put the Floyd suspicion to rest (plus it might get Tranq to give us more help) but I think they're both bad.

We (all of us) need to get more on the same page with votes because this is ridiculous right now.

Floyd is a scum read too. I will vote for whoever you do.

Feeling that Bass is a badder here despite my turnip vote.

Nothing at all. Not even enough to give you pause. Very discerning of you.

You have a scum read of me but you don't want to talk to me in the thread to help formulate a case? Seems legit.

LoRab what's up homie? You got something to say to me?

I will be voting for Turnip Head.

Checking in to say that I am alive.

I will be voting later.

I'm going to be very busy for the next couple of days. God speed civs.

Turnip Head wrote:I forgot to say bye to juliets. I hope you know I really enjoy playing with you, see you in the next game

Me too. You're lovely to play with juliets.

Bullzeye missed this entire phase I think?

Matt F wrote:Marsh - I read the first half of HBoy's ISO but I'm tired and will read the rest tomorrow. I did see where he lightly sussed juliets early and then immediately let her off the hook. I think he might be a good candidate tomorrow atm.

Turnip Head - I know one thing. I witnessed your dead body on a square and MM was on the same square. Then you were rezzed. If MM was on your square after you were dead, then it's possible (and likely) that he was also within three squares of you when the bad Doctor got a hold of you.

Then, when I originally asked the two of you what you all thought of each other, I believe you started having a mild back and forth and then boom, chums.

So Turnip Head, are you telling us that MM is not the bad Doctor? You think it was Epig?

I think we should lynch you actually.

I told you we should have policy lynched him.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:It's time for me to die. My job here is done. Goodbye world.

What do you think of Hamburger Boy throwing his vote on you last second now that we know Juliets alignment?

I humbly thank him for it.

Humble my ass.

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:It's time for me to die. My job here is done. Goodbye world.

What do you think of Hamburger Boy throwing his vote on you last second now that we know Juliets alignment?

I humbly thank him for it.

It's time for me to die. My job here is done. Goodbye world.

Bam!

If juliets doesn't flip scum I'm never playing Mafia again.

You seriously can't vote unless someone tells you to?

Vote for juliets...

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Team Floyd:

Dom
Timmer

Team Juliets:

Tranq +
1 of Draconus or DFaraday

I'll take a look in detail when I have a moment. Just leaving work.

EL OH EL
I literally just asked you who you were suspicious of and the only name that you listed that is also here is Juliets.
I couldn't take you less seriously if I tried.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Dfaraday-- why Floyd?


I'm more interested in Mac.

But i'd also like to lynch Juliets.

Dom wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:So are we gonna lynch Juliets today or nah?

That was my plan. I am fine with a Floyd lynch too though.

I'd rather lynch Mac before Floyd.

Only two references to Floyd that Dom has. Just steering the suspicion away from him.

Because my opinion on Floyd is dependent on how you flip. I think you guys are potentially on a team.
You seriously are doing everything I just accused you of.



I think Timmer might have been misrepresented. I was gone during his almost-lynch and the leaders of that lynch no longer seem to support a Timmer lynch, so I won't either.

Dom, I was unaware that opinions in a game of forums Mafia were supposed to be static.

DFaraday wrote:

Golden wrote: Why do people think Floyd is bad?

Affinity for Luke, vote for Nutella, Tranq's convenient death, coached-sounding comments...

Although I am starting to think there may be something to the Juliets case, if for no other reason than she's somehow gotten out of being lynched despite being the top discussion point for this long. Still, I feel more strongly about Floyd.

DFaraday, we lynched him in Dune and he flipped civ despite scum slips and other assorted obvscum behaviour. I played scum with him in TH and he played the same. I don't think you can lynch him on his in thread play. He is also real life friends with Luke and they are both totally new to the game.

What do you mean by Tranq's convenient death? Can you please point out the coached-sounding comments?

I do think Floyd is scum too, but I think you are opposing scum...

Dom wrote:Dfaraday-- why Floyd?


I'm more interested in Mac.

But i'd also like to lynch Juliets.

Dom wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:So are we gonna lynch Juliets today or nah?

That was my plan. I am fine with a Floyd lynch too though.

I'd rather lynch Mac before Floyd.

Only two references to Floyd that Dom has. Just steering the suspicion away from him.

Dom, Timmer... I see that you have not communicated with each other in the thread at all. What's your opinion on the other?

timmer wrote:I'm not associated with any of the various lynch potentials, Mac. I'm sticking with juliets as lynch choice because I understand the case on her and at this point in the game, that's good enough for me. I'm definitely not opposed to a Floyd lynch, either, you can look back through my posts to see I've been consistent on that. Tranq would not have asked Floyd about killing him for no reason. If the lynch comes down to juliets or Floyd, I think we win the day no matter what.

Maybe you're not. I'm not infallible.

I think you are though. Yeah, I think you are.

Team Floyd:

Dom
Timmer

Team Juliets:

Tranq +
1 of Draconus or DFaraday

I'll take a look in detail when I have a moment. Just leaving work.

Entertain this thought.

Scum team 1, has something dirty on Floyd and are trying to get rid of him to earn the partial civ credit that comes with lynching an opponent. The case on Floyd is recurring and has numerous players focusing on it at the almost exclusion of any discourse elsewhere.

Scum team 2, are basically riding the juliets is scum wagon hard and just following along without putting in much effort at all. The same in reverse, though I have reason to believe that the vocal proponents of this one are town.

Both are scum, opposing teams.

Those who are pushing the Floyd lynch are at the very least prominently represented by juliets scum teammates.

Floyds teammates are the quieter ones agreeing with the juliets lynch.

LoRab wrote:i've read between the lines and i agree with dom.

On which point?

Dom wrote:lol bye

See ya mate.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Mac-- list everyone you think is "scum"

You must be up to 10 or 11+ people by now.

What is there to gain by this barbed comment?

I believe juliets and wilgy are scum.

I have no other reads.

I rescind my suspicion of sorsha.

Why do you cause conflict every time you post?

Dom, you clearly don't like me personally and that's fine I probably deserve your vitriol for calling you names earlier which I already apologised for but don't necessarily deserve an acceptance.

I do not cause conflict with every post, or at the very least I do not intend to. I don't think it's fair to say that I do that either.

I've already explained why I have been playing the way I have played up until now, and it was very recently. Perhaps you should read my recent few posts on the subject again.

I never once implicated I don't like you personally. I just think you're bad.
Over and over again, you sidestep questions that are directed at you and create a new situation out of it. This is an example. another is when I asked you who you suspect, and you responded with a question and a list of two people-- yet you call someone scum every day.
So-- why do you seek to sidestep questions directed at you?

Over and over again? I did that initially and I have explained why. I was in the business of getting voted. I've already made that abundantly clear. Whether you believe that is for civ gain or scum gain is up to you really. It is what it is.

I have not been sidestepping questions. I didn't sidestep this one. I answered it perfectly clearly.

If you can't connect all the dots, that's on you.

Why does nobody else seem to be as absorbed in it as you though? Perhaps it's because everybody else can read between the lines? I think so.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Mac-- list everyone you think is "scum"

You must be up to 10 or 11+ people by now.

What is there to gain by this barbed comment?

I believe juliets and wilgy are scum.

I have no other reads.

I rescind my suspicion of sorsha.

Why do you cause conflict every time you post?

Dom, you clearly don't like me personally and that's fine I probably deserve your vitriol for calling you names earlier which I already apologised for but don't necessarily deserve an acceptance.

I do not cause conflict with every post, or at the very least I do not intend to. I don't think it's fair to say that I do that either.

I've already explained why I have been playing the way I have played up until now, and it was very recently. Perhaps you should read my recent few posts on the subject again.

Dom wrote:Mac-- list everyone you think is "scum"

You must be up to 10 or 11+ people by now.

What is there to gain by this barbed comment?

I believe juliets and wilgy are scum.

I have no other reads.

I rescind my suspicion of sorsha.

In addition I think that him being targeted by a genuine scum kill attempt if that is what it was doesn't necessarily exclude the likelihood that he was targeted due to being an obvious candidate for being on the opposing scum team to the team that cast the attempted kill.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Alright, well I'm still sticking with my Juliets vote from the past few days. Hopefully we can get some answers if she ever actually dies.

Yes truly if you are scum I have sincere doubts that you are on her team.

Awwww.... You said "if" I knew you didn't really think I was bad.

Haha I am not infallible. You could be civ. Just because I get pinged doesn't mean I am right.

Golden wrote:You have had a look in to the dastardly mind of a mafia Dr.

Do you think 'killing' himself as part of a failed night (if he knew the night would reset) sounds like his style?

Wilgy tried to produce a scum win from a very convoluted series of hypothetical things occurring from a plan he set from almost the start of the game.

As a scum player, he goes pretty hard on the tactics.

Golden wrote:OK. In that context, your behaviour yesterday makes a whole lot more sense.

I'm still quite comfortable with a juliets lynch, I just don't want today to devolve into a discussionless wasteland.

What do people think of Wilgy?

Why do people think Floyd is bad?

The way Wilgy jokingly jumped off juliets lynch on two polls now just because I made a passing remark make him an almost certain scum teammate of juliets.

Either that or he has some kind of bastard role that causes him to just do whatever someone tells him to do every time.

Sorsha wrote:Alright, well I'm still sticking with my Juliets vote from the past few days. Hopefully we can get some answers if she ever actually dies.

Yes truly if you are scum I have sincere doubts that you are on her team.

Golden wrote:@Mac - are you making an assumption about juliets' role in that statement or not?

Negative.

The post I made immediately after my non lynch was me being not truthful because at the time I didn't want to make a point of my status. Pondering it though it is in the best interests of the town that they are aware that the lynch did not occur because of something relevant to me, not to juliets. I do have suspicion that juliets does have a way to, or did have a way to influence a vote count as per what occurred the previous day, but she was nowhere near being lynched yesterday and she knew it.

linki: Of course I am up for it.

I don't think I really need to answer that question now anyway.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm just really baffeled as to what happened yesterday. You think Juliets is bad so you want her to get lynched. Then you go on your "vote for me" crusade. Explain to me how this makes sense?

I will repeat myself for the benefit of the scum player who is trying to drive her agenda without actually making an effort to read the explanation I already just gave.

The lion's share of my content up until end of day was pushing the juliets lynch, as it has been each day. I believe I have made it clear without explicitly using words to such effect why I believe her to be scum. I began to receive votes that put my close enough to juliets for me to understand that her lynch was not to be. Well before our vote tally's were six a piece. I already knew she was not going to be lynched.

Me receiving votes was a positive thing for the civ win con but the positive impact of votes on me has now been exhausted and are no longer useful to the civ win con. I cannot diverge exactly why/how they were positive, but I expect there are a few players who know why.

When it became obvious to me that juliets was not going to be lynched. I went back to vote harvesting. Simples.

But, alas, that is no longer the case. Ergo I will no longer be requesting.

Juliets would have been lynched yesterday if you hadn't done what you did, plain and simple.

Linki- I find Juliets and Floyd at the top of my suspicion list. I'd be fine with either of them going, I really have no preference for which goes first. The timmer suspicion I think has some merit to it as well but I feel better about the other two. Maybe I'm just not being clear enough about my suspicions or why I suspect them but I'm not just jumping on any bandwagon that comes along here.

No, she would not have. I already explained this. As soon as I had two votes on me her lynch was off the table.

Golden wrote:I don't know what you are, but I would not be surprised if you were a wizard.

Your suspicion on Sorsha could be genuine (and your last post (linki, second to last post) makes it sound genuine) but your first post about it sounded really forced to me. If you really think its the juliet half of your behaviour that is taking suspicion, then I think you have a skewed perspective of the impact of your days of asking people to vote for you on yesterdays lynch. You can't ask people to vote for you and then absolve any responsibility for their choice.

Perhaps it sounded forced because you didn't notice that my previous post eyeing her for bloodlust was actually not a joke, ergo my post was not so much forced, as a sharp reaction to a double up scum tell. I do realise that for me to now change my gamestyle is going to be hard to take, but it is what it is. My entire gamestyle up until today was revolving around doing my best to harvest votes but at the same time scum hunt.

Both times she posted the "I'd be okay with this other random lynch" type post it pinged me. The second time it was about me, so it obviously had a bit of an OMGUS effect on me, which probably made my reaction even more acute.

Sorsha wrote:I'm just really baffeled as to what happened yesterday. You think Juliets is bad so you want her to get lynched. Then you go on your "vote for me" crusade. Explain to me how this makes sense?

I will repeat myself for the benefit of the scum player who is trying to drive her agenda without actually making an effort to read the explanation I already just gave.

The lion's share of my content up until end of day was pushing the juliets lynch, as it has been each day. I believe I have made it clear without explicitly using words to such effect why I believe her to be scum. I began to receive votes that put my close enough to juliets for me to understand that her lynch was not to be. Well before our vote tally's were six a piece. I already knew she was not going to be lynched.

Me receiving votes was a positive thing for the civ win con but the positive impact of votes on me has now been exhausted and are no longer useful to the civ win con. I cannot diverge exactly why/how they were positive, but I expect there are a few players who know why.

When it became obvious to me that juliets was not going to be lynched. I went back to vote harvesting. Simples.

But, alas, that is no longer the case. Ergo I will no longer be requesting.

Golden wrote:Wtf Mac - someone gets an official scum read for you because they say 'they don't like what you did yesterday'.

Stop playing you had no control over the votes yesterday... you ASKED for them. That is not having no control over them. That's the exact opposite. You have gone out of your way for days upon days asking for votes and finally you got some. Why should anyone like what you did yesterday.

You earn an official scum read from me - for turning someone saying 'they don't like what you did today' into 'You don't like that I heavily pushed the lynch of juliets'. Because I can't think of a more disingenuous interpretation of what part of your behaviour yesterday felt anti-town that that, and you know it.

My apologies if I wasn't thorough enough in my explanation. The fellow players in this game are not my children Golden. They have control over their own actions. I do not decide their behaviour. Me requesting votes does not force their hand. I did not self vote. I am not responsible for there being no lynch those that voted for me are. Do you believe me to be some kind of wizard Golden?

I genuinely feel like sorsha's last two posts are scummy. One strong scum read but being okay with or not standing in the way of two other lynches, that to me is scummy. Not having a significant desire or communicating one yet being okay with the lynch of players who are heavily under scrutiny is the hallmark of a scum vote about to be placed on a wagon for no reason. I have seen that kind of comment from scum too many times to count. I have seen it from town, but often enough from scum for it to be a documented scum tell for me.

No, I do not "know it" as you so delicately put. Yesterday I without question, as I did the day before, heavily pushed the lynch of juliets. It was the vast majority of what I did. Towards the end of the day votes started piling onto me, I decided that it would be a good day to harvest some votes so I didn't push back. I didn't force people to do it. They started unprovoked yesterday. Granted I had gone out of my way to request them in previous days. I have my reasons for requesting votes, they are no longer necessary. I won't be requesting votes anymore because they are now counterproductive to town. Previously they were not. That is all I will say on the matter.

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:So are we gonna lynch Juliets today or nah?

That was my plan. I am fine with a Floyd lynch too though.

I'd rather lynch Mac before Floyd.

I wouldn't stand in the way of a Mac lynch either but I'm not so sure about him as I am about the others. I don't like what he did yesterday but I'm not sure it makes him bad.

Let me get this straight. You don't like that I heavily pushed the lynch of juliets (who I, and most sane people believe is scum) and are blaming me for others voting me? Like I had any choice in the matter?

Okay, your last two posts have earned you an official scum read.

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:So are we gonna lynch Juliets today or nah?

That was my plan. I am fine with a Floyd lynch too though.

Bloodlust.