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by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:04 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:@Mac - you suspect me only to get me to post more? Is that what you are saying?

I feel like your thoughts are all over the show. I've been rational this entire time. I haven't OMGUSed you - I wanted you to answer questions about MP because I felt your change suspicious, but you have obfuscated in your answers on that, to the extent that all I can take from it is that it is 'obvious' that your reasons for changing your view is because 'MP has been different' in the last short period of time. If that was coming from someone else, how good a reason would you see that as being?

And if your cajoling to get me to post more was just that, I'd probably see it as motivated by civ causes. But it hasn't just been that.... its been waving (from before you asked me to post more) in and out of this suspicion you have that I'm on team Empire, and you have been using my apparent lack of effort as evidence that I am on that team. So, yes, it feels to me like the latter is more true than the former. It isn't necessarily so, but if you want rational - just go back and look at yours posts as they relate to me over the last few days. They've been all over the show. It's hard for me to see them as coherent rational thought. Take this, for instance.
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MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm rarely one who stirs noise for the sake of it. If I think I have some easy votes, I'm ok having a couple of quiet days, especially when I'm busy enough as it is.

I will say though - what is this low hanging fruit have I been going after, exactly?
Fair enough.

Not just you, the entire game has been played with the voting of low hanging fruit getting lynched and looks set to continue with Simon's lynch. Ironically they have been scum, so can't really complain, except that they've been scum from the same team so I'm not discounting the possibility of the Empire being the driving force behind it all.
BC was low hanging fruit? Really? Was Enrique going to go down if noone had put out the various connections? I don't think so... that was a solid case, not low-hanging fruit.

I would call low-hanging fruit 'I'm voting bubbles because she doesn't post much'. But I haven't really seen any of that going on this game. Seeing clear baddie connections and lynching people for them is hardly low-hanging fruit. It's what we are trying to do...

I've also generally pushed against low hanging fruit lynches - including early movements against russti and enrique, and BC trying to push bubbles etc... so I don't think you will find it accurate to say I've gone for low hanging fruit. The one exception you might make is bass 1.0.
Okie dokie. Consider me convinced.
I suspect you because I feel your level of scum hunting is not where it usually is. Despite your efforts causing 2 scum to be revealed. Actually because of it. For you to back off after catching 2 scum is weird. You just put your vote on Simon and allow everyone else to do the same, it's so unlike what I expect of you. Especially when you have the taste of having caught scum I'd expect you to be very present after that, but instead ... you're busy, your focus is on World Reborn etc. I can't see why you wouldn't be giving this game the same level of attention as World Reborn when you have actually been largely responsible for putting us in a good position here. That should feed your desire to contribute, instead it seems to have given you carte blanche to apparently take the day off. That's more of a bad guy reaction that a good guy reaction. It's like you won some civ cred so you feel comfortable taking the day. Until I provoked you into action, and you reaction wasn't like MP who just started analysing the game and hunting, but to no u me really hard.

It'd be nuts to think you are on the Hutts since you got two of them lynched right. So if I am right in my ping you'd be Empire obviously, not Hutt. In case you're wondering why I think you're Empire. Again this is the sort of thing I feel a civilian Golden would just GET without me needing to express it.

All your points against me are valid. But you are only pointing out that I have had an inconsistent read on you. My opinion on you has indeed fluctuated. As has my opinion on many players. My read of the play changes as content gets produced. You have made me feel unsettled, then you've made me feel better, then you've unsettled me again. Same can be said for others. I started with a scum read of Sig, now I have a very town read of Sig. I started with a scum read of MP, now I have a town read. I started with a town read of you, now I have slight bad guy read.

And now you are ignoring the obvious answer I gave you about my MP read? MP came in today all guns blazing, agreeing that today was being wasted. Agreeing with ME. I am civ so if he feels the same way I do it's easy for me to deduce that he is civ.

You though, you psyched up. You disagreed. You made excuses for taking the day off. I don't get it.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:31 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

PULL
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:28 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Basically Golden gives actual non surface effort for minimal time, tugs a string and lynches two Hutts and wonders why I want him to try more. Not just wonders but thinks I'm bad for WANTING a player who has shown amazing ability to catch scum here to post more.

To what fucking end would me as scum want you to try harder if you were civ?
You say 'I'm trying to get you to post more'

I say 'you're trying to get others thinking I'm not contributing when I am'.

"non surface effort for minimal time"... thats what you are claiming I've done in this game.

I may post "Paranoid theory: enrique and simon are BC teammates" but when I do that, I've already done my isos and poll research to test it. Catching scum isn't minimal effort.
Okay let's see. Put smart Golden hat on not ragequit OMGUS Golden hat on.

What's more likely? I am civ and I want the civ grandmaster of scum hunt to post more?
I am scum and I am trying to convince everyone of something that is blatantly obviously not true?

Mate, if you were civ and I was bad, I would kill you on night 1 all day urvday.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:27 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Russtifinko wrote:Hi everyone.

My thanksgiving travels are over so I'm back in the game. Thanks to the hosts for bearing with me, and apologies to you all for being MIA.

I meant to vote in this poll but I passed out after work today. I deserve to die.

Not reading all 55 pages of what has happened. I'll try to catch at least the basics and go from there, though.
Hi Talking Heads scum Russ. How are you going today?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:14 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Now I really should go work.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:14 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Basically Golden gives actual non surface effort for minimal time, tugs a string and lynches two Hutts and wonders why I want him to try more. Not just wonders but thinks I'm bad for WANTING a player who has shown amazing ability to catch scum here to post more.

To what fucking end would me as scum want you to try harder if you were civ?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:12 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:I'm thinking plenty.

This isn't RYM. Me telling you the next five suspects on my list isn't at the top of my agenda. I explained to you... simon today, I have no need to go tealking about my empire suspects when simon was still on the list. You can accept that, or not, but its normal culture in a world where death often ends your game when civ. What if I call three empire team members out correctly? I can't lynch them all, but they can certainly NK me.

And I still don't understand why you would think you don't have supertown golden in this game when I basically was the one who created the case on the two baddies we've caught. It seems that holds no sway in how much you think I'm thinking.
Which I don't get. Basically every right minded human being in the game agreed that today was being wasted even if Simon was scum. Your reaction was to question motivation and be a dick. Everyone else. Yeah fair call let's do some other stuff.

I think this point is a lie. You really expect me to believe that you are the type of player who holds back scum hunting effort for some tactical civ based reason?

Dude you could have just said "yeah I've been busy".

Now yes, you made a point that effectively convinced everyone to lynch BC and then Enrique (and subsequently Simon), and I agreed with all of it. Hell I had a scum read of Enrique on day 1 page 2 or something. But that's just the damn point. You gave the thread unequivocal attention for what, like five minutes? And you saw a post, you when HMMM CURIOUS, questioned it, and all of a sudden we lynch two Hutts because of it.

And you wonder why I am trying to whip you into more action instead of letting you coast on Day 5. And now we've lynched a civ so the entire reason you were coasting is lost, and you're still trying to tell me I am bad for trying to get you and the town to produce more content on day 5?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:05 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

MovingPictures07 wrote:Suddenly I have to go. Be back later.
Me too.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:04 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:Heh, I see you caught that inconsistency first.

I have a simple answer for you.

Depends if I think you are good or bad. Today you get full on rebuttal - because I think your motivations for going up against me are not civilian motivations. It also does sometimes depend how busy I am in real life.

It's hard to provide thoughtful responses to continued cajoling from you to post more, as though this is an indicator of my civ self when I've already made it very clear it is not.
I ain't asking you to post more. You're posting plenty. I'm asking you think more.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:02 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:@MP - people who are tinfoiling don't tend to bring up reasons to suspect you that were actively defended against with objective evidence days before.

Mac keeps bringing up his perception of my 'lack of posting'. I expect civilians (especially ones like Mac, who actually have a pretty minimal level of experience of me) to take into account a broader understanding of my civ meta when it crops up. His opinion on that side of me this game hasn't changed, so I believe he has an agenda for pushing it.

And anyway, I have found him to be, shall be say... deliberately obtuse throughout this game. I think he has very well understood a lot of things that he is pretending he is not understanding and finding suspicious.

linki @Mac - a second ago, from my dune meta, you said going up against me sees me just shrug of suspicions and not care.

Now, you say I am mean and belittling when people go against me and you avoid it when you can.

Which is it? They are basically polar opposites.
Lol okay what have I not understood that I am pretending not to?

I explained it. You are like a powder keg. Sometimes you are angry and mean like you were to Matt in World Reborn. Sometimes you are tactful and nice under fire like you were to me in Dune. It's weird and makes me even more anxious.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:01 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

sig wrote:I think neither Mac or Golden are mafia.
I actually am leaning civ on him too. I am just disappointed that me pointing out that I feel that he's not giving this game the attention it deserves has made him angry and apparently given him a scum read on me. I just wanted to get the Dune and World Reborn civ Golden here. Fine he's busy, doesn't mean he has to be a dick to me.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:00 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, let's talk. If you could lynch any player in the game right now instead of Simon, who would it be and why?
Mac, 100%.

Because I think he is trying to drum up suspicion on people he sees as threats to his own survival, rather than having genuine opinions. Good example, go iso how back and forth and flaky he has been on his suspicion on me. It's like he is dipping his toes in the water to see if anyone else bites.

He also berates others for not creating content, but when I suggest he could do the same he barely does. It's not like he is going out of his way to canvas a lot of suspicions or directly question people. He only really started directly going at me just now after I started questioning him about his read on you. Before that, he was cautious in his suspicion of me.

linki @mac - when did I ever suggest you would want to exclusively talk about me? I was actually asking you to talk about your suspicion of MP, so... :suspish:
It is extremely challenging and creates anxiety when you go up against you in the thread. Your reactions are usually mean and belittling to people who question you so I try to avoid doing it unless I feel the need to.

Golden I started accusing you. You are the one who is deploying OMGUS not me.
Actually it's not even that. It's that they are so inconsistent. Sometimes you just dismiss them and are fine and pleasant. But other times you are rude about it. Which makes me even more anxious because I can't tell if I'm going to get the tactful thoughtful Golden rebuttal or the whirlwind of anger.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:57 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 2]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
Golden wrote:It has come to my attention that my week is insanely crazy, so I doubt I'll be posting as much as usual. Just wanted to warn people.
Golden wrote:My primary effort goes to World Reborn because it is in end game, and all up, across everything I'm doing... I will not be as present as would be ideal from now until after Christmas. I am super busy. There is a reason I was the last man on to sign ups, and why I've said I won't be signing up for any more for a while.
Please don't claim I said it was JUST world reborn. That's bullsuit.
Golden I don't really get this. You are usually tactful when there are incorrect cases against you, especially ones that are valid. Rather than simply pointing out, as you already have, that you are busy, you are also coupling it with OMGUS and aggression.

Golden, You had a town read on me. Does it stand? Do you still believe I am a civ?
For the record, I've seen Golden get OMGUSy and aggressiony like this before.

Linki: Well crap. RIP Simon2D2. :rip:
When where?

RIP Simon.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:57 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, let's talk. If you could lynch any player in the game right now instead of Simon, who would it be and why?
Mac, 100%.

Because I think he is trying to drum up suspicion on people he sees as threats to his own survival, rather than having genuine opinions. Good example, go iso how back and forth and flaky he has been on his suspicion on me. It's like he is dipping his toes in the water to see if anyone else bites.

He also berates others for not creating content, but when I suggest he could do the same he barely does. It's not like he is going out of his way to canvas a lot of suspicions or directly question people. He only really started directly going at me just now after I started questioning him about his read on you. Before that, he was cautious in his suspicion of me.

linki @mac - when did I ever suggest you would want to exclusively talk about me? I was actually asking you to talk about your suspicion of MP, so... :suspish:
It is extremely challenging and creates anxiety when you go up against you in the thread. Your reactions are usually mean and belittling to people who question you so I try to avoid doing it unless I feel the need to.

Golden I started accusing you. You are the one who is deploying OMGUS not me.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:55 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 2]

Golden wrote:
Golden wrote:It has come to my attention that my week is insanely crazy, so I doubt I'll be posting as much as usual. Just wanted to warn people.
Golden wrote:My primary effort goes to World Reborn because it is in end game, and all up, across everything I'm doing... I will not be as present as would be ideal from now until after Christmas. I am super busy. There is a reason I was the last man on to sign ups, and why I've said I won't be signing up for any more for a while.
Please don't claim I said it was JUST world reborn. That's bullsuit.
Golden I don't really get this. You are usually tactful when there are incorrect cases against you, especially ones that are valid. Rather than simply pointing out, as you already have, that you are busy, you are also coupling it with OMGUS and aggression.

Golden, You had a town read on me. Does it stand? Do you still believe I am a civ?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:42 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Dune Golden more or less chortled at my accusations and continued on his merry kill scum path.
Star Wars Golden is being reactive to my accusations with lightweight ones of his own, trying to trip me up on very basic points. He is a far far better player than that.

Linki: MP really? For days your posts have been "i'm thuper busy with PHD stuff sorry guys omg I fell asleep" and now here you are all guns blazing. And you are unaware of that despite it being you who is doing it? Like, are you fucking joking right now guy?
I wasn't aware you were referring to my change in activity; you said I had a change in tone.
You just questioned "approach change" not "tone" your approach has changed. How can you question that when it is you who is doing it?

Your tone has changed because your approach has changed. Your tone is now firm and instructive, before it was tired and non contributing. It's an extension of your increased level of contribution right now.

Semantics! The argument I am having with Golden is semantics! If Zebra catches us having this conversion there would be so many f bombs.

Golden, because I have a ping on you doesn't mean I want to discuss strictly you for the remainder of this day phase. I had nearly half the remaining players below you in my list.

Roxy is a big time interest for me. There has been some very half hearted shade throwing at her and I think I know why.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:38 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden has also shown a propensity for what feels like disappearing mid conversation here and popping back up later which is totally unlike him. That's a real feel based thing though. He feels less present in the thread here. He says it's because World Reborn is in late game or whatever. I feel like it's more than that.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:37 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Dune Golden more or less chortled at my accusations and continued on his merry kill scum path.
Star Wars Golden is being reactive to my accusations with lightweight ones of his own, trying to trip me up on very basic points. He is a far far better player than that.

Linki: MP really? For days your posts have been "i'm thuper busy with PHD stuff sorry guys omg I fell asleep" and now here you are all guns blazing. And you are unaware of that despite it being you who is doing it? Like, are you fucking joking right now guy?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:35 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 3]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:An inconsistency there imo.
I disagree. I'd still have a slight town read on him.

He hasn't done anything in the game to change my read... or anyone elses. He has been literally entirely absent since then.

Are you trying to find my apparently minor inconsistency to avoid talking about your massive hulking one? You just took MP from 'team empire' to green on your rainbow with not so much as a hint of reason, like you were trying to slip it through, and you are trying to pass it off as though it shouldn't be questioned.
No, that is quite a hilarious conclusion.

Golden your civ MO is very much not to ask asinine questions or state obvious things. You have a deep way of analysing things. Here, not at all, here you are basic. And you are OMGUSing me. Your reaction to my prodding you is emotional. When I did the same thing in Dune you waved it away.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:33 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That would be from what Jimmy refers to as the "eye test".
How do you reconcile that rainbow with your prior suspicion of MP - have you had reason to change your feeling on him?
Does that not go without saying?
No, it does not go without saying. I expect you to say it, in fact. Otherwise, I will have to assume there is no reason to change your feeling on him.
If I had a bad guy read on someone. Then they appear in a rainbow list as green. Consider that me having changed my read on him.
I didn't ask if you changed your read.

I asked you if you had a reason to.

If you can't tell me that reason, then I don't believe your read changed.
MP's tone changed. MP's approach to the game changed. MP reacted positively to me prodding him repeatedly. It all really does quite go without saying.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:28 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 3]

MovingPictures07 wrote:What I'd really like to know is whether Bubbles, Elohcin, and Roxy started suspecting Zebra after my giant post about her.

If someone can uncover that, that'd be great; otherwise, I'll get to it after catching up.
So did you ever do that?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:25 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 2]

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.
Sorsha has perceived issues with Elohcin as being genuine earlier in the game. Yet when it comes to the current phase she doesn't even react to Elohcin's defence of a player she goes on to vote.
Sorsha wrote:I know it's super lazy but I'm going to stick with the Simon vote too. MM was doing an ISO of Enrique before he died and his last words were that he wanted Simon lynched.

Votes Simon
I don't like this look at all. There is much civilian motivation for her to have chased up Elohcin about this.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:23 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 3]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spoiler: show
Golden wrote:I'm finding my rainbows are quite town leaning in this game. I think I am probably wrong on some of those reads. Not sure which ones though.

Town read

Canucklehead
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
Enrique
Bubbles


Slight town read

MacDougall
Simon
zebra
Roxy
Russtifinko
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
sig


Neutral

DFaraday
Black Rock
Dom
DrWilgy
NANANANANANA_BANANA
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Mishimeals
Savage


Slight bad

Elohcin


bad

bcornett24
Glorfindel
I'm blue. Badass. :slick:

What's bothering you about Elo?

Why the slight town read on Russ?
Here's a post I just found that's interesting.

Golden here you had a "slight town read" on Russ as MP puts it. Yet now you are outright saying he isn't bad.

How has your opinion on him evolved from then until now to achieve a firmer town read of him, to the point where you would outright anti-scum read him.

Further to that point, why would you, if you had the ability, do a check on a player you had a "slight town read" on, if that's the angle you are taking.

An inconsistency there imo.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:20 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

In my brief eye test of the ISOs I noticed quite a few earlier vote posts that caught my eye. Weirdly obtuse votes on players that went on to not come under scrutiny. I will track em down.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:19 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That would be from what Jimmy refers to as the "eye test".
How do you reconcile that rainbow with your prior suspicion of MP - have you had reason to change your feeling on him?
Does that not go without saying?
No, it does not go without saying. I expect you to say it, in fact. Otherwise, I will have to assume there is no reason to change your feeling on him.
If I had a bad guy read on someone. Then they appear in a rainbow list as green. Consider that me having changed my read on him.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:17 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

MacDougall: *changes read on MP*
Golden: MacDougall have you changed your read on MP?

Really dude?

Linki: Really really dude?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:17 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That would be from what Jimmy refers to as the "eye test".
How do you reconcile that rainbow with your prior suspicion of MP - have you had reason to change your feeling on him?
Does that not go without saying?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:16 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Sorry I've been gone for about a day. Yeah, Simon.
Where is your fire, zebra? Where is that supatown fire?
I paused to contemplate the same thing. This is exactly how I feel about Golden as well. The difference is that it kind of makes sense for Zebra. Zebra has made over 300 posts. I can't see any room left for contributions in a BTSC from her.

Golden on the other hand, there seems to be something left in the tank from him. And he's defensive when I question his contributions, quite rightly so theoretically since he still has a metric fuckton of posts, yet his contributions feel restrained somehow. Like he is leaving half his thoughts elsewhere.

Linki: Golden can you explain why you aren't suspicious of Russ? Russ has me mightily spooked.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:11 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

That would be from what Jimmy refers to as the "eye test".
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:10 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Canucklehead
sig
a2thezebra

MovingPictures07
DrWilgy
Elohcin
Bullzeye

nijuukyugou
Dom

Bubbles
Golden
Luke11646

Bass
Sorsha
Glorfindel

DFaraday
Matt
Black Rock
Roxy
Russtifinko

Simon
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:01 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Simon wrote:I'm voting Canucklehead. I think Canucklehead might be bad. :srsnod:
Wow. Canucklehead is like my biggest civ read?

What an unusual breadcrumb trail.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:43 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

So the prevailing wisdom would suggest that what we've just seen is a whole bunch of lazy civs voting for Simon to start the day, followed by the lurky scum rocking up late to the party and not voting Simon. With flavour in between.

But to what end would these evidently lurky Empire scum not vote Simon? I agree that he is very suspicious and if he is suspicious for the reasons we believe he is suspicious then why would Empire want him spared? Unless they know he is actually innocent? What actually stopped the railroading... My pleas for effort on other fronts? No, I actually believe that the scum were in the railroading, because that's the place to be. The Empire scum, had they been amongst these discerning more recent voters would be voting Simon. I actually like the players who have not voted him more than those that have right now.

Elohcin's point doesn't really fly too much with me because Simon could either have a lurky team or they actually might be instructing him to do what he did anyway, breaking ties left and right and then saying "if he was scum he wouldn't do that" is dictionary definition wifom, but of course mama bear would not want to lynch her cub so I can't blame her.

I still believe he is a Hutt, and our best chance for lynching scum. But I do appreciate that we now have some stuff to look back upon.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:51 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:And I don't disagree that someone could be creating pressure on people they suspect. It's just that this person can't be me... not right now. But there are lots of people I think can do it. You, matt, zebra, MP... even plenty of quieter players in this game are competent at building pressure on their suspects with a minimum of posts.
So cold. So rational...

I hope that Epi shoehorned Darth Jar Jar in as a secret Sith Lord for the lulz.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:57 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:Oh, so it is on me that we haven't caught the empire, is it, mac?

If we want to catch the bad guys, it must be done by me... no-one else can do it...

If you want to find the empire, I know that you are also plenty capable of supatown.

(My best guesses for members of the empire - glorfindel and eloh).

My primary effort goes to World Reborn because it is in end game, and all up, across everything I'm doing... I will not be as present as would be ideal from now until after Christmas. I am super busy. There is a reason I was the last man on to sign ups, and why I've said I won't be signing up for any more for a while.

BC tried to make out like my relative quietness was a sign of my baddiness. Go back and read my defence to that. It would serve you well now.

linki @Mac - not every egg needs to broken on the same day. Take RYM 87. Two baddie teams in that one. No hint of who the second baddie team was until the first one was gone. First day of looking for the new team... hole blown straight in the side. The point is, every day we lynch a baddie is a good day. I don't feel the need to bust my nut trying to find a baddie I'm not even going to lynch today.
I didn't mean that man. Don't make me feel bad. I just want the same town Golden here as other games.

One example where a civ team luckily parlayed the destruction of one team into another doesn't make it any less true that today a lot of civs are giving the Empire another free pass. We could have at least pressured some other players to create content to look back on.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:52 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 3]

DFaraday wrote:I was going to vote Roxy, but I'd feel bad about it now that she posted about wanting to quit. So I went with Bubbles, since her vote for Zebra doesn't sit well with me, and I was still a bit suspicious of of her for her (in my view) self-promoting post about Matt way back.

EPWOP: People, stop talking for two seconds!!!
There is a lot of weirdness to the way some people are approaching Roxy and this post is an example of it.
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:50 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

This is no way to hunt a likely fully in tact scum team. No vote pressure on anyone except Simon. Lots of gambling posts. No egg breaking. Empire can just come in vote Simon and leave, how are we supposed to flush them out if we just do that?
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:48 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Bubbles wrote:giving simon the boot
adding my vote to him too
suspicions of roxy seemed off
i smell a fox
Of course...
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:44 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:Good karma for asking nicely.

@Dom - I have been reading her as civ, yes. If you iso me, you will find some stuff on this.
I didn't doubt that....


I'm just asking because I haven't been.
Explore
by MacDougall
Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:43 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

This is bullshit. Empire just coasting along like the evil doers they are. Where is the supatown Golden?!
by MacDougall
Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:50 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

You guys are addicts.

PULL
by MacDougall
Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:03 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:By the way Matt...

Yes, I am looking forward to your thoughts :)
Liar! Lynch the liar!
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:39 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Pull please sire.

Glorfindel can I have a loan please?
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:30 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Can we lynch Roxy tomorrow?
After lynching simon today, you mean?

I would be up for healthy discussion about Roxy. I've read her as good, but there are reasons to doubt. Which team would you see Roxy as being on?
Yeah after lynching Simon.

I see Roxy as on team scum.
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:28 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Can we lynch Roxy tomorrow?
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:23 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

Golden wrote:@Mac

Speaking honestly, and I'm asking you because I know you are tinfoiling at the moment and I think tinfoiling is healthy, if you were to pick one out of bubbles and simon to be a hutt, who would you pick?
Simon by the length of the Tasman Sea.
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:08 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 5]

PULL
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:16 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 4]

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm rarely one who stirs noise for the sake of it. If I think I have some easy votes, I'm ok having a couple of quiet days, especially when I'm busy enough as it is.

I will say though - what is this low hanging fruit have I been going after, exactly?
Fair enough.

Not just you, the entire game has been played with the voting of low hanging fruit getting lynched and looks set to continue with Simon's lynch. Ironically they have been scum, so can't really complain, except that they've been scum from the same team so I'm not discounting the possibility of the Empire being the driving force behind it all.
BC was low hanging fruit? Really? Was Enrique going to go down if noone had put out the various connections? I don't think so... that was a solid case, not low-hanging fruit.

I would call low-hanging fruit 'I'm voting bubbles because she doesn't post much'. But I haven't really seen any of that going on this game. Seeing clear baddie connections and lynching people for them is hardly low-hanging fruit. It's what we are trying to do...

I've also generally pushed against low hanging fruit lynches - including early movements against russti and enrique, and BC trying to push bubbles etc... so I don't think you will find it accurate to say I've gone for low hanging fruit. The one exception you might make is bass 1.0.
Okie dokie. Consider me convinced.
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:03 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 4]

Golden wrote:I'm rarely one who stirs noise for the sake of it. If I think I have some easy votes, I'm ok having a couple of quiet days, especially when I'm busy enough as it is.

I will say though - what is this low hanging fruit have I been going after, exactly?
Fair enough.

Not just you, the entire game has been played with the voting of low hanging fruit getting lynched and looks set to continue with Simon's lynch. Ironically they have been scum, so can't really complain, except that they've been scum from the same team so I'm not discounting the possibility of the Empire being the driving force behind it all.
a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote: Well you sure didn't disappoint on the controversial aspect. I've caught up now and I've seen the elaborations of your reads, but if these reads are independently suspicious to you, why are you leaning towards Empire specifically, or them being on the same team at all for that matter?
It's more of a one or the other thing.

While they have interacted as golden said, that's not bad. What's bad is that neither have been very discerning of any of the more aggressive players. Lots of low hanging fruit. I also find it strange that yesterday was so quiet. Where were our supatown players? A blight against me maybe but Golden and MP have been reactive to me.
I think yesterday was quiet for two reasons. One, because there was a large consensus that one person was bad (which was correct) and people feel more obligated to discuss more when there is less of a general consensus, myself included. Two, thanksgiving break. As for your suspicion, I'm not dismissive of it entirely but I do think that MP is most likely town at this point and I'm next to positive that Golden is.
Look, I'm just a little bit stir crazy for aforementioned reasons. Everything is sailing along, but we've not made a dent in the Empire plans. The idea that they are the inactive players has been put forward but it's just as likely that it's the most active players at this point, so I want to poke at a couple of the ones who have made me feel slight tingles.

All things being fair Golden and MP aren't even close to the bottom of my list on face value.

And you asked for me to post my thoughts. So I did, even as half baked as they are.

Resume regular transmission.
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:22 pm
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 4]

a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?
I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?
You don't wanna know what I think.
Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I do. After yesterday's slow crawl I want to see whatever controversial thoughts you have to offer.
I think MP and Golden are on the Empire team.
Well you sure didn't disappoint on the controversial aspect. I've caught up now and I've seen the elaborations of your reads, but if these reads are independently suspicious to you, why are you leaning towards Empire specifically, or them being on the same team at all for that matter?
It's more of a one or the other thing.

While they have interacted as golden said, that's not bad. What's bad is that neither have been very discerning of any of the more aggressive players. Lots of low hanging fruit. I also find it strange that yesterday was so quiet. Where were our supatown players? A blight against me maybe but Golden and MP have been reactive to me.
by MacDougall
Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:40 am
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Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Night 4]

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:Oh, well done Mac, trying to catch me in semantics! My favourite!

To me, a team consists of people who have btsc, or in odd cases (like Greedo) it can extend a little beyond. But people always like to try and use the word 'team' to trip people up. I'll add you to the list.
Then why bother adding the second part to your sentence? Dramatic effect?
I was assuming you think you see a connection between me and MP. I wanted to make it clear that not only are you wrong that I am empire, you are also wrong about any connection you see between me and MP. I have no knowledge of his affiliation, although I read him civ.
Actually I don't see any connection between you two in the thread. I think you are both suspicious independent of one another.
I would say there's a chance that MP is bad. Golden, less so.
My suspicions of MP are documented. My suspicion of Golden is more of a gut feeling. He seems ever so slightly different here. He's still responsible for some excellent scum hunting but in a two mafia game that's not in and of itself civ play. Despite this he seems a little off to me. Golden always has me paranoid though. I'll admit I am cautious mainly because in the few games I've played with him he's played exactly the same way and has never had any shade put on him at all (fairly). I expect that when the time comes that he's scum (which could be now) that he could very well get away with it, so I might be going too far the other way.

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