The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:Oh, well done Mac, trying to catch me in semantics! My favourite!

To me, a team consists of people who have btsc, or in odd cases (like Greedo) it can extend a little beyond. But people always like to try and use the word 'team' to trip people up. I'll add you to the list.

Then why bother adding the second part to your sentence? Dramatic effect?

I was assuming you think you see a connection between me and MP. I wanted to make it clear that not only are you wrong that I am empire, you are also wrong about any connection you see between me and MP. I have no knowledge of his affiliation, although I read him civ.

Golden wrote:Oh, well done Mac, trying to catch me in semantics! My favourite!

To me, a team consists of people who have btsc, or in odd cases (like Greedo) it can extend a little beyond. But people always like to try and use the word 'team' to trip people up. I'll add you to the list.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?

I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?

You don't wanna know what I think.

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I do. After yesterday's slow crawl I want to see whatever controversial thoughts you have to offer.

I think MP and Golden are on the Empire team.

who are you more sure about

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?

I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?

You don't wanna know what I think.

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I do. After yesterday's slow crawl I want to see whatever controversial thoughts you have to offer.

I think MP and Golden are on the Empire team.

I am not on team empire, nor am I on a team with MP.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?

I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?

You don't wanna know what I think.

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I do. After yesterday's slow crawl I want to see whatever controversial thoughts you have to offer.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm down with a Glorf/Simon vote.

Do you have any other thoughts / suspects, Dom?

Canuck reads civ to me.

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Hey so did anyone get a message about the poll? I did. Not sure if it was just me though so I will reserve what I say for now.

Nobody answered me about this btw. Regarding the previous nights poll.

Why do you want to know?

Whether you received any kind of result from it as I did. I'm trying to ascertain whether I won the poll or whether there were levels of reward.

you've earned my

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?

I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm down with a Glorf/Simon vote.

Do you have any other thoughts / suspects, Dom?

Canuck reads civ to me.

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Hey so did anyone get a message about the poll? I did. Not sure if it was just me though so I will reserve what I say for now.

Nobody answered me about this btw. Regarding the previous nights poll.

Why do you want to know?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, at this point I am not down for a Glorfindel lynch, he is going from low on my list to at least neutral.

And, I really thought he was talking about smelling a guinea pig. Oh well.

Want to compare rainbows again?

You're not down for a Glorfindel lynch because of that post... or why? I still think he's suspicious, and I still think the fact that he's fixating on Russ to be disingenuous.

I think the case on him is primarily tone-based, and we don't know his tone yet - the only thing I have to go on is sig who says it isn't so dissimilar from what he sees as Glorfindel's civ tone.

I'll do the next rainbow sometime later... not today. Eloh continues to fall, its hard to look past Simon... but generally I don't know where all my reads are sitting until I read all the names.

Sounds good. I suppose you're right re: tone, but I think Glorfindel's behavior is suspicious as well -- his main suspect (Russ) and lack of others, as well as a willingness to defend himself more than hunt, strike me as forced and disingenuous.

When you get the chance, what do you think of Dom? Or, for that matter, any of these players?

Black Rock
Canucklehead
Dom
Russtifinko
Sorsha

Bass_the_Clever 2.0 (Mishimeals)
Bullzeye (TheFloyd73)
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Matt F 2.0 (Banana)

Bubbles
Elohcin
Luke11646
Roxy
Simon

I want more feedback / discussion specifically on them, for various reasons (having trouble reading the top two groups the most, the bottom one is full of possible votes for tomorrow, etc.). Others can provide their thoughts on these folks as well.

MacDougall wrote:Hey so did anyone get a message about the poll? I did. Not sure if it was just me though so I will reserve what I say for now.

Golden wrote:I guess we will find out at end game. I would be surprised if neither BC nor enrique knew the other was on their team, but I could see one of them not knowing.

Glorfindel wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Do you think that him being absent in and of itself makes him suspicious Glorfindel?

Well, Mac - I don't think it helps his cause. The other thing (and I hope I'm wrong) is that I just get this feeling that the whole Enrique thing is a distraction whether by design or what, I don't know. Maybe I'm just dreadful at reading people but I don't think I am. From reading his posts, I think to lynch him is a mistake and if I'm correct, I trust at least it won't be a costly one

Dom wrote:Sorry guys-- this week has eaten my life. I work retail so RIP me. I'm headed off to work untilt he end of time again.

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Probably

MacDougall wrote:Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

what

Enrique wrote:well jesus then i guess we should base our whole game on nonsense logic and nothing could be done to stop it

I am not a Hutt and there's nothing to this case that I am. I mean, seriously? MM's ISO of BC's interactions puts me as likeliest teammate? Did anyone even read that? How does one reach that conclusion what the shit

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:If you believe that then vote for me because lyrically I'm superb check out this line I just created out of thin air while smokin' da herb.

Savage wrote:Sorry for the shit activity. Not much to read but there's a bunch of big post(too lazy). To try to compensate I will attempt to jump in right now...

Bubbles wrote:voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:So Canuck and Golden, what am I missing?

Possibly, the correct identity of who I'm defending.

I sure hope you have a reason for this post, a damn good reason.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Yeah but the main idea here is that civ players behave like civ players and we try to find inconsistencies in the posts of the players and lynch the ones who are more inconsistent and/or genuine right?

Civs can dig themselves into big holes trying to defend themselves.

What exactly did bcornet sound sincere about anyway? He didn't even give a reason for his vote yesterday that I could see...

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Enrique wrote:Hey maybe Golden is bad because BC voted for him and that's a totally valid case.

Enrique wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.

Dude are you kidding? All of this is straight up shit logic. BC voted as a counterweight, but then not, he just wanted to kill me, so that means we're likely teammates!

None of it works. Not one bit.

Enrique wrote:well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Enrique wrote:It's a completely logical point. I agreed with BC several times over this game. Gimme some credit I'm not gonna shadow my team like that.

linki- zeeb this is all stuff other players did, what do you want me to say? ill gladly lead the charge against simon if thats what it takes to clear my name dont fucking vote for me when i have +3 thats just rude

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

Huh?

Do you want my vote in the poll?

bcornett24 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

I'm rather confused why the focus of the conversation happens to be on the 2nd statement russ made here and not the first. I would encourage everybody to read the statement in red. To me this comes across as a scum hunting for third party players (or vise-versa).

I find this to be a very anti-town statement. What does everybody else think?

Enrique wrote:It struck me as pretty odd too. Like, wouldn't it stand to reason that (as somebody pointed out to me earlier) that Jabba would benefit from going to his own lair? I mean, we're just going to a planet, that doesn't mean we'll suddenly find out everything about Team Jabba.

I'm also not really caught up with the thread and I apologize. Shitty day. I'll make an effort tomorrow to get up to speed.

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Do let's!

Rainbow list maybe?

Hell no

There are far too many people for that, and that's not how the tentacled one rolls--err, swims? Splashes? I do, however, have my suspicions. I'll start with this:

Golden wrote:I'm here-ish, ninja.

I would like to get a sense of who you are most suspicious of, and particularly your view on the more popular suspects like zebra, bcornett, russti, glorfindel, enrique, bubbles...

As much as I feel I've read, I kinda can't believe it's still only Day 3, and what makes reading people more difficult is not having much of a vote record to go off of, seeing as we've lynched an indy and a civ. My reads, therefore, are almost exclusively tone-based, which is still a helpful marker in baddie-hunting, I suppose (although I much prefer the logic of vote analysis, as I found in BoB and Frisky Dingo).

Zebra, as far as gameplay goes, still looks pretty good to me. Not much of an opinion change since the last time I looked at her. I understand she's taking heat for Bass' flipping civ, but my gut and read still says "good."

Russ is disengaged as hell because he seems to be busy with traveling. His vote patterns and "tone" (if drive-by posting can be read for tone) are consistent with this. Neutral. Enrique discusses the possibility of his being indy, but then he makes a lot of other assumptions regarding the sand people that just...well, even if they did connect, why focus on him? I suppose Enrique has reason to do so, if he believes he's been poisoned, but for the civs as a whole, I believe MM made the point that we have 8 baddies to find, which seems a lot more pressing.

I have not liked Glorfindel's responses to what I believed to be a pretty good case on him from MM (I even tabbed it for response! Whee!), as well as others responding to and agreeing with the suspicions. I found them to be very dismissive instead of actually engaging in discussion, which I've found is usually a mafia tactic (although I said the same for Bass, and look what happened...). Leaning baddie here.

Enrique's responses and discussion today with Zebra have me thinking he's civ, and frustrated at that (at least yesterday/last night/whenever their interactions occurred). My suspicion last phase, I admit, was tenuous, due to lack of focus and participation. I don't plan to vote that way.

Bubbles looks like Bubbles, and I straight up didn't even realize she was playing until this last read-through when she garnered some reactionary posts to her vote. Her participation is wayyyyy down, but there's no read from me for that (3 posts?). Is it Bubbles that actively proclaims hating being mafia? I can't remember. (That's a real question, by the way.) Anyway, there were two reactions I noticed more than anything: Zebra's and bcornett's. Zebra's reaction read to me like, "Hey, post more, you low poster!" while bcornett's reaction was to latch on to a "suspicion" of her as fast as possible:

bcornett24 wrote:

Bubbles wrote:voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

You have exactly three posts, come in drop a vote and leave...you deserve to be lynched. This is the type of behavior that contributes to town loses.

Based on your tone, you aren't going to be around again anytime soon. I don't like this.

I didn't like this jump, either. Regardless of participation level, a civ is a civ is a civ. Yes, low participation is not helpful to the civ cause, but it's a body in our corner. This looks opportunistic to the max. Golden, you already said it well in your response to him (also had that tabbed!), so I'll just say I agree with you, both on this point and on what his behavior's been like throughout the game.

So, at this point, I'm most likely to vote bcornett.

Whew! And I'm still alive and kickin'! I've spent far too much time here today, but I'll stick around for a bit more. Yay real time!

Linki - DAMN YOU ALL AND YOUR LINKI NOW LET ME POST

Enrique wrote:yo whatdafup

shit i'm late. ok so to answer you mp...

i dont have a strong read on zebra one way or another, she just seems like herself and i havent learned to tell her civ and bad games apart. some of her perspective i can understand, some less so. i dont think she should be lynched today.

sig? well, pretty much what i've said before. his game reminds me a LOT of matt who was my teammate in pet sounds. the same way theyre kinda there but mostly just reiterating opinions and asking questions. im not super familiar with his playstyle, but its reading bad to me.

and SPEAKING OF PET SOUNDS. i dont think we should lynch bc either, because this feels SO MUCH like why we lynched him on pet sounds. ofc my baddie team was taking advantage of him then, and we basically jumped at the chance of accusing him of being too harsh on a low poster (which sure got the crowd going). this feels like the exact same. just replace luke with bubbles.

out of the three of us (zeeb bc me) id sooner vote bc, but i still think roxy or even sig are the better options. id also take glorfindel over any of us three, but i feel maybe the way he plays is just the way he plays and it doesnt necessarily make him bad. its peculiar for sure.

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I think Simon and eloh are on the same team, not sure how that would fit with your theory.

First five people to vote for me get a vote back, if they want it.

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!