The Syndicate

Okay then I'm glad that didn't happen.

Lol so wait. If Creature was on 1 vote. That means had TSP removed 2 votes you might have been lynched in a coin flip because of the Jack vote.

I wish we were living in that reality.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm Unless someone else did something that I'm unaware of, I was responsible for the TSP lynch.

Pretty gutsy move.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:57 pm Good game Mac, that was an unlucky bounce for you and sabie. Sorry to undo you guys at the final minute like that.
I don't know why TSP got lynched
Nicole?

It's a shame because he had the ability to remove votes but being behind in the poll meant he didn't use them I guess.

I lost btsc with Tony and Sabie or I would have spoken to them before conceding. I weighed up the situation and I didn't have any way of winning so it would have been an exercise in brute force wifoming which probably would have sent me to the doctor for a round of anti depressants afterwards. I couldn't bring myself to it this time.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:58 pm I take credit for calling Mac the recruit like about first.

That you did.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:57 pm Good game Mac, that was an unlucky bounce for you and sabie. Sorry to undo you guys at the final minute like that.

Shit happens. Was a weird game. I don't know why TSP got lynched but I used all my civ equity trying to defend him when I had no right to.

Glorfindel you were awesome. Best I've ever seen you play.

In case there is some confusion I sent my PM of concession a short while ago to President Wimsatt.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:52 pm Shame, this was about to get interesting.

Not really. My avenues to victory were exhausted.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:51 pm Can't wait to read all the shit about me.
Lol you're something else
Yep, one tier above this community.

Lol yes that's it. Keep living in your delusionscape buddy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:51 pm Mac, TonyStarkPrime, and birdwithteeth were all on Creature instead of TSP.

I provided arguments for why I do not think BWT is mafia. TonyStark was the Master. So either Mac's bad or Tony wanted to bus his partner today. Or I was dead wrong about my bwt analysis. Or... Jack.

But we are also now looking for the recruit. We know that the team performing the recruitment was sabie + tony. Would they have targeted Oreki? Would they have targeted Creature? Would they have targeted Jack?

I think this lynch confirms Glorf even more, and if it doesn't confirm me then I don't know what more you could want.

You can stop now

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:51 pm Can't wait to read all the shit about me.

Lol you're something else

That feel when you solve the game on day 1 and lose

I guess I could point out that mac as a wolf something wifom something

Everything I write seems hollow.

The game is over?

Oh, I mean TSP is definitely the wolf for sure.

Put down the flaming swords and open your eyes. Creature has gone full mafia Creature if Jack's meta analysis is accurate.

I'd rather lynch Creature. He seems certain to be the recruit.

Sloonei and TSP are more civ than Creature. TSP voted Sabie both day 1 and 2 didn't he?

2 votes on 4 wagons and his vote is on Sabie.

Creature needs to die

Isn't that Creature's wolf meta?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:42 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:22 am Recruiting a high volume poster draws in a player that is going to be a lightning for discussion regardless. That player will be more likely than most to say something incriminating against one of their future partners on Day 1. That player will be more likely to draw scrutiny for changes in behavior (since there is more of it observable in the thread) between Days 1 & 2. Recruiting a high volume poster creates lots of variables that can jeopard the mafia team’s internal balance.

Recruiting a quiet or enigmatic player does not come with the same risk. Take Creature for example. He’s a nebulous figure in this game and no one really knows what he’s about. Recruit him and no one will be alarmed when if he does anything odd because, for all we know, that’s just Creature. Recruit Creature because you’re the only player here with in depth knowledge of his meta, and you can spend the whole game telling everybody there’s no way that he’s mafia because this game doesn’t fit his MO.

Yeah, I’m gonna recruit friggin dead weight as a wolf Creature so I can use a meta argument that nobody buys to prevent him from getting lynched unless I get lynched first?
Really? You wouldn't do something unpredictable with the opportunity?
No. If I get to recruit my whole team, sure. But there are two Ramses mafia. Even if nobody would expect me to recruit Creature, he’d get himself lynched for people thinking he was one of the other two slots. Wifom only works if it can be used to argue that the wolf is a townie.

What has Creature done since day 1 to make you think he is town? I understand that you read his day 1 play as on his civ meta, but in my view his contributions have fallen dramatically, to the point where the justification for your town read should be gone, and yet you still have it. Why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:22 am Recruiting a high volume poster draws in a player that is going to be a lightning for discussion regardless. That player will be more likely than most to say something incriminating against one of their future partners on Day 1. That player will be more likely to draw scrutiny for changes in behavior (since there is more of it observable in the thread) between Days 1 & 2. Recruiting a high volume poster creates lots of variables that can jeopard the mafia team’s internal balance.

Recruiting a quiet or enigmatic player does not come with the same risk. Take Creature for example. He’s a nebulous figure in this game and no one really knows what he’s about. Recruit him and no one will be alarmed when if he does anything odd because, for all we know, that’s just Creature. Recruit Creature because you’re the only player here with in depth knowledge of his meta, and you can spend the whole game telling everybody there’s no way that he’s mafia because this game doesn’t fit his MO.

Yeah, I’m gonna recruit friggin dead weight as a wolf Creature so I can use a meta argument that nobody buys to prevent him from getting lynched unless I get lynched first?

Really? You wouldn't do something unpredictable with the opportunity?

If at the end of the game I find that any of the people genuinely entertaining that I am mafia right now are civilians I am going to post so many passive aggressive reaction gifs that I will crash the site.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:04 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.
Okay...
Were you going somewhere with that?
Yeah I was going to accuse you of failing to be on the right wagon but then I had a change of heart because you are way too obvious to be Mafia.
Sabie was bussed 100%. I award you no credit for casing her D1 before you were recruited and no credit for lynching her D2 when she had more important stuff to do than play mafia.

I do not bus. It is not how I play as a wolf. I never bus in this situation because a 3 player team has damn near won the game right now.

If I wanted to save Sabie I could have saved Sabie. All I would have had to do is give Sabie a scripted post and then say "oh yeah nah you're def town omg look at you" and nobody would have said shit.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.
I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.
And I recruited Jack you’ll never stop us now

I don’t believe you take this argument seriously
Why would you not believe that?
Because it came after arguments about why every other person was mafia
And because I pushed for the Sabie lynch both d1 and d2 and apparently that’s your entire argument for being Town so seems a little disingenuous

I don't understand how that is an answer to whether or not I believe my own point about how Sabie chose not to make a read on you.

Do I need to make an argument that I am town? I don't think so. Scum feel the need to evidence themselves as town more than townies do.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:40 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm Maybe you recruit one of the low posters. It's the unexpected move.

One was mod killed one found a sub.

Can BWT be the recruit?
BWT more likely to be the master. Why would anyone in their right minds recruit someone who isn’t a top town name who hadn’t posted yet
It's an awesome idea because people like you say things like this
The pick random no poster strat has a a 50 percent chance of getting your recruit modkilled

Mods don't kill low posters here very often. That Jay did it here is actually extremely unusual. The only other mods who are want to do it are me and Dragon D. Luffy. Recruiting Dragomir or Oreki wouldn't come with an inherent risk of mod kill imo. If I was making the decision I would heavily weigh up recruiting someone who doesn't have to do much in the way of changing up their play. I'd definitely not be recruiting anyone who heavily suspected us.

I think you aren't thinking deeply enough about this. I'm not sure anyone is really. The primary objective would be recruit that who is least likely to be recruited. Jack landing on Sloonei/Mac is pleb tier thought.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.
I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.
And I recruited Jack you’ll never stop us now

I don’t believe you take this argument seriously

Why would you not believe that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm Maybe you recruit one of the low posters. It's the unexpected move.

One was mod killed one found a sub.

Can BWT be the recruit?
BWT more likely to be the master. Why would anyone in their right minds recruit someone who isn’t a top town name who hadn’t posted yet

It's an awesome idea because people like you say things like this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.
Okay...
Were you going somewhere with that?

Yeah I was going to accuse you of failing to be on the right wagon but then I had a change of heart because you are way too obvious to be Mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.

Okay...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:42 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:21 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:17 pm That scene in the newest Halloween movie where Myers is in the house and you hear the baby cry and then he goes through the house and idr if he stops and looks at the baby or not but then he just leaves.

Fucking stupid.

If Myers is supposed to be evil personified, he would have no problem killing a baby. If you don’t want him to kill a baby in your movie, don’t put him in the same house as a baby.

Felt like the scene was written to make the audience go “oh no” and then to make everyone breathe a sigh of relief with no regard to plot or characterization. Basically a jump scare only less prevalent.

Rest of the movie was good though.
Technically I don’t examine ot content on principle but this is where I decided that Jack was town.
Wtf why?
Strong opinions about horror movies is town indicative.

Suck it, wolves.

You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:34 pm If I was a Mafia recruiter, I always recruit Jack. Doubly so if I am Sabie. Why? Because Jack is just a great guy.

Need no more evidence than this.
Yeah it would have been more fun if you and Sabie recruited me but instead Sloonei and Sabie recruited you.

Oh well.

That's exactly what someone who was recruited by Sabie and TSP would say.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] get in here I solved the game for you.

Also explains dumb shit like this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:54 pm Jack not voting here means Jack is never Mafia. Never.
Disagree. Any person with 2 votes could have saved themself. No reason to make this claim without exonerating the others.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:19 pm Sprit being probably Town is a bad look for Jack. Colin being Town is a bad look for Jack. Colin maybe having copped Jack is a bad look for Jack. Given all this, I am still reasonably certain that Jack is town.

TSP wifoming the fuck out of his Jack read is lol. Got em.

Lynch and win.

Hand me my trophy.

If I was a Mafia recruiter, I always recruit Jack. Doubly so if I am Sabie. Why? Because Jack is just a great guy.

Need no more evidence than this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
He was the first name that came to my mind after I typed my long-winded spiel about how the mutants would have treated their recruit.

sabie had next to nothing to say about him early, though I do believe she plopped some arbitrary shade on him late in Day 2 when he was getting votes (and also voted for him, I think?), but at that time both of them were exposed to heavy scrutiny and the necessity to avoid bussing would not have applied.
Mac and Sloon both think Creature was recruited.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.
Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.
BWT and Glor do not.

I reckon you were recruited now. Your current behaviour is lolular.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.
I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.
How bad does it suck to catch a wolf and then find out you were recruited? It’s pretty funny from over here.

Which wolf did you catch sorry?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.

I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.

Fuck it let me solve game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm Maybe you recruit one of the low posters. It's the unexpected move.

One was mod killed one found a sub.

Can BWT be the recruit?

Copied for page 2.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?
I said possible recruit, not definite recruit
Everyone's a possible recruit. Why speculate if you're not gonna attach reasons to it?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm It's not evidence, but it's indication: his play majorly changed.
How so? He was less of a presence, but I'd attribute that more to availability than alignment.

Macdougall is not a player who's afraid of the spotlight when he's mafia.
More Sloonei defending Mac.

Sloonei and I are Mafia. You solved the game. But you'll never convince anyone of it. Because we are too good at Mafia.

Maybe you recruit one of the low posters. It's the unexpected move.

One was mod killed one found a sub.

Can BWT be the recruit?

Sorry I missed the lynch, I just moved and don't have the internet at home and my phone went flat and I left my charger at work and just got here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:26 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.
Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.
Has Creature not played much around here?
I believe this is his third syndicate game. He was previously in Better Off Ted and Arrowverse, which ran concurrently just a couple weeks ago.

He's played a lot elsewhere, i dunno where though. MU I think.

He does play on MU. I just played in a 51 player game with him. We were both civilians. We lost. He was obviously a civ there. I don't get what Jack is doing with the meta thing because he was more obvious civ there in a 51 player game than he is here. He's just phoning it in here imo. Maybe he is a civ and Jack is guilty of TMI.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:21 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:17 pm That scene in the newest Halloween movie where Myers is in the house and you hear the baby cry and then he goes through the house and idr if he stops and looks at the baby or not but then he just leaves.

Fucking stupid.

If Myers is supposed to be evil personified, he would have no problem killing a baby. If you don’t want him to kill a baby in your movie, don’t put him in the same house as a baby.

Felt like the scene was written to make the audience go “oh no” and then to make everyone breathe a sigh of relief with no regard to plot or characterization. Basically a jump scare only less prevalent.

Rest of the movie was good though.
Technically I don’t examine ot content on principle but this is where I decided that Jack was town.

Wtf why?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm It's not evidence, but it's indication: his play majorly changed.

I wanted Sabie lynched. I voted for Sabie. I had said my piece at length about Sabie on day 1 and I got nowhere with it. People just opposed me because of the innate contrarianism.

Fast forward to day 2. I vote for her and say shit all and she gets lynched and flips wolf.

I changed the way I played day 2 because the way I played on day 1 yielded no result.

Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:08 am Wagonomics say Sprityo is bad.

You're welcome.

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