The Syndicate

[mention]protocultures[/mention] please don't tunnel me when you're town. You're more likely to be always reading me as the opposite alignment to the reality because as mafia I try to be townier than I do when I am town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:39 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:38 pm TIL you get yelled at if you don’t vote based on dreams

Nah but why did you say you were sheeping me then completely ignore that I had Alison lock town and Ted in the POE specifically t/w with Wilgy?

Idk dude I looked back at your last readslist thing and it had two flipped town in the mafia spots and I was like...”welp I guess I’m on my own” lol

In that very post Ted was in my POE lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:38 pm TIL you get yelled at if you don’t vote based on dreams

Nah but why did you say you were sheeping me then completely ignore that I had Alison lock town and Ted in the POE specifically t/w with Wilgy?

I can only speak to my own time in the game but honestly felt like the scum were there to be caught each day but did just enough to be above the line of one scummier town. Ted and Carotte played well. Carotte in particular channeled some really good range. Ted did well just presenting arguments for better cases. I think Carotte being Alisons counter on the final day vs. Ted was a bit weird as Wilgy and I had basically outed Ted I think.

Mafia can be hard. Gg wolves.

I feel less anxiety now that I am just sharing culpability lol

That feeling when you're getting your preferred yeet, then you look at the result and it's green. You know that feeling? I hate that feeling so much that I actively am hating that my preferred yeet is now leadwagon.

Conversely if Wilgy flips mafia. Ted is cleared and LC is just the last mafia fmpov.

If Wilgy flips town we're just yeeting Tedxtr tomorrow btw. Them crossvoting here strongly indicates that it's t/w. Basically they're both in the POE and have TMI'd each other the opposite alignment.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] help me yeet Wilgy.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:50 pm Okay, I hear you Mac, I'll move my vote. I'd go for DrWilgy before LC though

Good. Me too.

Actually fuck it. I'm going with Wilgy because I first post read TH mafia and TTC town. Let's go.

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]Alison[/mention] can we be sane for a minute.

Firstly, Alison is objectively a bad yeet because she was the counter day 1. Carot please put your vote on a reasonable place.

Colin, Alison, if you think I am town you need to just look at Nook's play through that lens. What is the winning strategy for Nanook to just hard shield me, live in my shield, sheep my reads and largely slank otherwise? There is no mafia mentality there. There is no agenda. Nook is a great player. This is not mafia Nook. Wise up.

We have LC who has subbed into a pure slank slot that needs solving and seemingly read about 4 day 1 posts, voted me and left. He can't be left beyond today. Clearly we have no consensus and everyone is off in lala land doing their own thing. This is the day we just solve a bad slot and hope it's mafia. If we have no energy to work together to solve the game then can we just do the right thing and clear the POE?

Just town

@Alison
@Carotenoid
@ColinIsCool
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Probably town but undeserving of my love
@protocultures

POE
@tedxtr

Scummy POE
@DrWilgy
@Long Con

LC knows me better than to have a read that bad tbh.

My "early game talk" was my snap first post reads, which is a hallmark of my play. I scumread several people then moved on. I ended the day on 112. This is dumb as hell. Me of all people at that EOD was perfectly positioned to save 112. I showed up at the perfect time, TSP was shouting "DADV DAVVDVD" and 112 trying to look like a sad townie. It's 6-5. If I recall I might have even been tinfoiling Alison by that point at least to a degree. Anyone who has played with mafia me knows that I just yolo vote Alison there to try to save my teammate. Hell TSP probably takes the bait and jumps off there to boot given how he was feeling. I could have easily saved 112 there.

All I'd need to do is be like "omg 112 is town, vote Alison". Seriously it's preposterous for someone whose played as many games with me as LC has to read my day 1 the way he is.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:16 am Yeah, we can kill Mac now. Just reading his early-game 112-talk, and it's teammate-indicative. So far, he's pretty much been like "Oh yeah 112 is scum.... I'm voting Amy" kind of thing. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine He is 112's teammate.

What

Despite the fact that Wilgy is defending me and voting alongside of me right now I feel like he is more likely to be mafia between he and Tedxtr right now. I feel like the way that he's treated the game since entering has looked agenda driven. He's pushed against pushable people primarily hiding behind a suspicion of Nanook which is easy to justify because of Nook's play and Nook's day 1 vote.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:34 pm [VOTE: Urist] aubergine

I don’t feel great about it tho

Boi, you good or bad this go around? Talk to me about Urist and Alison.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:30 pm Assuming was present for the vote, I find it very unlikely that he wouldn't chaos factor to try to save a teammate, but that's just meta.

I assume this refers to Mac?

If so I sort of agree that trying to create chaos during EOD to save a teammate is up Mac's alley based on what I've seen of his scum play. I don't think he's compelled to do it to such an extent that we should be townclearing him off it not happening though.

Fair

What about them? Alison is probably town ig. Urist is mayve mafia, idk

This lad is bad.

Wilgy doesn't believe this. That Nook post is like town play after Wilgy's own heart. Wilgy would be empathising with Nook just about more than anyone. Instead he's trying to lop off his low hanging fruit head.

TH's ISO is an easy read and very interesting. I suggest you take a look. To my eye TH tried to pocket Alison and Alison was having zero of it. Alison hated TH's Amy vote. It's interesting stuff.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:04 pm I'll bet my left flipper that Alison is town

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:19 pm Alison locktown I suggest we move on

This is how TH read Alison on day 1. Would have been hard to yolo onto the counterwagon when you've made these posts.

This is a day 1 retelling. Tell me if you think this stacks up.

112 and TH are busy and disengaged in scum chat. TTC slanks nearly entirely.

112 wagon gains momentum. TH and TTC aren't catching flak so given they are in slank mode just keep a low profile.

Town made Alison wagon gains momentum. 112 doesn't want to push it hard really because it's a suckwagon and 112 has no good reason to. Teammates are no help because they are in low profile or not even be here mode.

"Looks like you're going over, I don't think we should vote Alison here because it'll look really bad for us if you actually do flip." - Said Turnip Head.

112 makes at least some effort to look town right at the end. EOD is a non event because the mafia didn't show up. I show up and ruin 112's day.

"Bye" - Said 112.

TTC continues to slank. TH can hardly muster even the most basic of effort.

You know how the rest of the story goes.

I think it would be nice if people read this post but I get the impression Proto is going to take one look at it and then tunnel me some more.

I think a lot of the issue today is characterised by what I just spelled out. Nobody is really that scummy, or if they are they have someone else hard townreading them and shielding them. This is leading to a really disjointed and fractured town. Everyone looks town ergo everyone is a suspect and tinfoil is rife.

The objectively correct thing to do would be to start by looking at the flip. We have four players alive who voted for 112, Alison, Proto, Colin and myself. Three have flipped from that, two via NK and one via TK. All were town so far. The chance of someone bussing is there but as I have stated I feel it more likely that nobody bussed. I don't think that 112 expected to die. That remains my thoughts.

Living players offwagon are -

Nook and Carot on the counterwagon (Alison).
TH (Wilgy) and tedxtr off wagon.
TTC did not vote.

The pattern mafia take is almost always to not vote together in that scenario. You are unlikely to see both mafia on the counterwagon, or both mafia on the bus. It's very likely that one of the mafia (or even both) are actually completely off wagon. It actually is interesting that TH was voting for Amy, and Ted was voting for me because to my eye both Amy and I were zero chance of being yeeted and also really fucking towny.

The counterwagon also has flips, outside of 112 herself we have Urist (TK) and Tutuu (NK) and both were town. I am also townreading Nook and Carot higher than some other players. So that would mean that Alison's wagon was pure outside of the 112 self preservation vote. Now, it wouldn't shock me to find that Alison is town and the wagon was largely town (and 112's wagon was town) because Alison actually was a terribad day 1 wagon that no self respecting mafia would want to be on.

I think that we should be yeeting between LC/Wilgy/Tedxtr. Wilgy/Ted are already cross voting. That makes me think that there is only one between them. This makes me think we should solve LC first.

Reads again - Caveat that I still think 112's day 1 was highlighted by a low energy and indicates a poor and boring scum chat.

Alison made a decent argument for why she would be town with the night kills point so I'm just gonna ride or die with her as town. Is a scum chat god too.

Carot is hard Mac siding. When I read her posts I just feel a town.

Colin voted right on day 1. Since then hasn't been very towny but gamestate makes me think he's just town.

DrWilgy is also hard Mac siding.

Long Con subbed into a twbtbw slot. Really doubt it's mafia.

Nook has been very pro Mac. I'm rewarding that with a shield.

Proto has been pretty much a potato until today here he just out of the blue decides that I am mafia. I hate it but I think he's town.

Tedxtr looks the scummiest to my eye on ISO. Had a bit of TMI. But then he did the "Listen Joe" thing TSP did and gave me instant trauma.

So basically everyone is town. Gg.

Honestly go ahead. This game is overwhelmed by tinfoil and unenjoyable.

No you will not be chopping the dude I've been townshielding. We are yeeting tedxtr today.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:16 am Stop it I’m trying to townread you

Idk man, if scum is like Mac and Alison or something then I'll happily give them the win over someone that kissed mac's ass without doing any solving of his own when I am fully aware that as a town, they have a desire to solve the puzzle

I know it's a silly reasoning but I'm playing minesweeper in this

Like it can't be just LC / Wilgy, game can't possibly be that easy

Why can't it? This is real TMI. Ted has had a great deal of TMI.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:22 am Truth is I don't have anything that compelling, if you're town Nanook then the world would have to be exactly LC and Wilgy, which in theory is possible but it would be so "wtf I just wasted my time" that I don't even wanna explore right now without having you flipped first

Why not Carotte, Colin, Proto, Alison? This is bs. There are many viable worlds. You know this.

And Colin has tinfoiled me too much to be mafia imo. Carotte is just town by default fmpov.

Proto somehow isos Amy to justify his tunnel. Amy townread me. Urist was flipped by thread kill and I didn't vote on him. TSP by thread kill and I wouldn't have voted for him if I had the remotest sense I could push a wagon anywhere else. Doesn't even bother to ISO Tutuu apparently who was town reading me. Ignores posts from Urist reevaluating me. Ignores the fact that nutella's last content is deflecting an accusation I make onto her. Ignores the fact that I as mafia pocketed nutella for an entire game he played in ergo why in fuck would I fear kill her? Proto, hard aligning against me is a solid way to lose this game for town.

Every day the person I came into the day hardest scum reading has gone over. 112 was the one I didn't reevaluate. So I clearly can reevaluate. If I reevaluate Urist and TSP and try to get people to push off them why wouldn't I do it for 112? Proto stop making this game day focused on me. It's asinine. I am alive for one of two reasons. 1. The mafia think they can get me killed. 2. I've been pocketed and will be killed later.

I am also being town spewed by too many people for you to be scum reading me. Mafia partners don't hard shield generally and never do for me because I establish distance. You watched how I mafia partnered with Alison. You watched closely. You're ignoring everything you saw.

Alison hasn't even posted today and TSP hard scumread her. Tutuu wanted Alison/TSP to flip. Everyone else appears to be town reading me. So either I have to think the person not evaluating me at all and just tunneling me is mafia (with the person who has slanked). Colin is mafia. Or I am being pocketed. It's probably not by Nook though because he's been too self aware of being pocketed himself. Ted and Wilgy have done the ol gee nah he's just town id lose to thing which could mean they just intend to solve me at night. Probably hoping that I'd just come back at you and get you yeeted.

I saw something Ted did I didn't like. I'm voting there again.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:14 pm Fine.

POE:
Kill: Carotte

Sort out:
Ted
Nanook

Probably town but hmm:
Proto

Town until I decide otherwise:
Mac
Alison
Tutuu

Actually town:
10k
Colin

And I’m missing a name. They’re probably in the sort out pile

So as not to provide a misleading picture TSP does then flip the read into Mac to be town again. I don't follow the logic from the iso though.

You late dude. All you've done is be misleading. Get gud.

Colin is town I reckon

I don't actually know tbh. I'm not reading this game confidently. If anyone else is just sheep them.

Maybe Wilgy Ted. Maybe LC Ted. Maybe Wilgy LC. All subs. All lol.

Fuck it. Flip subs til we find mafia let's go.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:05 am I mean it makes no sense for Proto to vote to save Alison over mafia (which he specifically said he did) if Alison is town and 112 is mafia. Especially in the context. I guess it can be just a hard bus but I don't feel it.

what happened to you pushing the world where I bus like a savage in a game with flips. Why arent you feeling it anymore?

I dunno just aren't

I mean it makes no sense for Proto to vote to save Alison over mafia (which he specifically said he did) if Alison is town and 112 is mafia. Especially in the context. I guess it can be just a hard bus but I don't feel it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:53 am I kinda think Proto can only be mafia with Alison as Tutuu said. Otherwise the day 1 play is whack as hell. So if Alison is town gotta just leave Proto alone really.

That really only leaves Ted and Long Con for me as I have pretty good reason to townread everyone else basically.

What why

I don’t think they’re ever partnered, that whole schtick D1 was like

Really weird if they’re partners imo

What day 1 schtick?

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:55 am *places Proto into the bin gently*

Let's thunderdome!

Even if we did I don't think people are suspicious enough of either of us. I dunno why you want to yeet me so bad. All I know is that it probably means you're town cuz there isn't much long term gain in you pushing me here as mafia. So I'm just gonna pet your head gently til you stop being silly.

*places Proto into the bin gently*

I kinda think Proto can only be mafia with Alison as Tutuu said. Otherwise the day 1 play is whack as hell. So if Alison is town gotta just leave Proto alone really.

That really only leaves Ted and Long Con for me as I have pretty good reason to townread everyone else basically.

yeah actually carot is probs town u right

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:38 am Ok let’s see

I don’t read Proto well he can be POE

Caveat that I haven’t seen carote’s scum game but she seems pretty similar to her town game so no interested there

Alison killed a mafia so not even considering her until KILO. Don’t think her handling of tutu was particularly AI, also really do not want to wade into any of that shit.

Wilgy had a burst of good energy but a bad result (not sure I can entirely blame him for scumreading me tho), haven’t seen much else from him. Not entirely sure how to read him so

I thought the LC slot was >rand mafia due to amount of townreads/leans before, i don’t usually read LC particularly well so meh

Colin seems higher engagement than usual and it seems kinda dickish to scumread that

[but I still sort of want to, does that make me bad]

I don’t really have a good reason for ted to be anything, he’s just kinda ted. Low key think that slot is town but wouldn’t gamble on it.

None of these reads are Nanook Certified, I’ve been pretty disengaged this game for reasons, but that’s where my head is at rn.


If left to me I probably kill into LC/Proto/wilgy I think.

I had a look through Ted's slot again in light of a few townflips and I think I can see a bit of TMI

Did same with Carot

do whatever you want man, best of luck trying to get me yeeted

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] I particularly need some input from you

I think I have a good reevaluation happening. Other people try to solve please. If you don't I'll be sad. I need more content.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:49 pm ColinIsCool have you played with tutuu before? How can you scumread her, she's like flowing town pureness for anyone that played with her before. Same goes for TenThousandCalories.

This could be TMI spew

Tedxtr is probably the most likely to flip mafia I think

Wrong tree. I am alive because my reads are wrong.

That's meant to say >rand

In range but also there are a few townslips particularly in her engagement with town tutuu

Nah Alison is <rand town probably tbh

ISO = Ted = Result = Can be mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:45 am proto is only scum with alison. if she is town please trust that he's town too. if u think he's scum he shouldn't be the first yeet. i think this is the same with colin

Tutuu was killed by Alison. Pretty obvious. Nobody else really has a reason to kill her.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'll sheep this.