The Syndicate

ah lame you beat me

i see staypoopingfriend is back voting on me again lol

leetic is shielding Anne not spf lol

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

I can at least guarantee there are no wolves voting for naa right meow

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:10 pm how does naa have zero voters and anne down to 1 this is maybe getting off track

im gonna [VOTE: anne] aubergine but want it known that i do not think spf should be getting a pass here, i think her response to me above is slightly >rand town in her snappish/indignant tone but i think everything shes posted this game has been in her wolfrange and i really think shes compatible with jay

would be better to vote naa imo

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:54 pm If spf is mafia, Lime might be as well.

I agree with Nutella that spf is poking at the wrong things there.
First of all I was attempting to CFD JJJ every time he had a vote on him because I thought Anne was town and the other wagons felt like shit to be on. That should be fucking clearing for me.

Dizzy explain to me with what Mac is doing is town coming from him? Are you just townreading him because of this role bullshit or what?

I have 4 posts left after this but I'm spending it here because SPF SHOULDN'T BE A WAGON

thats not what I do as mafia what kinda bs is this... its literally what I've been trying to make happen. but you wouldn't understand having a game plan beyond simp.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:56 pm Yo Dizzy, that was you 101st post of the day

how many do I have left?

step 1 ... kill spf
step 2 ... Mac and Falcon go to Valhalla
step 3 ... town loses the game from there and I mock you all in post

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:51 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it
flail harder nerd
all i hear is howling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers
i changed my mind again [VOTE: spf] aubergine

like i feel like youre poking holes in the wrong things, i see no reason to believe they'd just make that part up lol (also what marmot said but im also squinting a bit at how he said his role gave the mafia clause if he randed town)

spf remind me what your stance on anne is rn bc i probably want to end on one of you or maybe naa

Nutella can be alive again

I just gave you a gamesolve. The mafia have been trying very hard to mischop me since jump. Especially SPF. NAA voting me now is probably outing for him. Nutella can die too.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar
just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!
Yeah but this is mafia so you should find wolves, not just survive.

if I can get myself killed by the mafia early when they're trying to get me mischopped that's more +ev for town than me making reads tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it
flail harder nerd
all i hear is howling

that sounds like an illness... you should get your hearing checked

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:43 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

My role also has a clause written in it based on whether I rand town or mafia, so it doesn't surprise me that theirs would too.

the mafia will be alerted when this role is activated but not who has it.

thats paraphrasing what it says.

who knows what kind of dumb way tsp alerted them. I imagine it was dumb and stupid like his face.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers

*gestures broadly at the setup*

emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:32 pmim more interested in seeing mac genuinely scumhunt, which i do not feel like he has
This so much. He's just saying "mafia is voting me because they want to get rid of lovers" and it's the worst. Mac can actually do stuff when he's town, and he's doing none of that here. He does a lot of treading water as mafia, which is what this looks like. But I kind of want some clarification from Falcon regarding how their role actually works, cause it's still confusing to me.

Then just vote me out dude... you're getting the best of me you're getting for now. Either be patient or just wagon me.

I would say it's certain that they did except for TSP writes shittily worded role PMs

No it never occurred to me. As I said I triggered it 26 hrs into the day. I kinda expected a red check ngl.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:40 pm @MacDougall @falcon45ca

- Does your role dictate that mafia will know when you have used the investigation AND that they will know that you become lovers?
- Would you not become lovers if you didn't use the investigate?
@MacDougall Please answer this
yeah something like that
No, be specific. And I want @falcon45ca to verify. This is important.

Does it say in your role that mafia will know you become lovers?

If you didn't become lovers without the investigate, did you ever contemplate just not using it?

I can't quote the role but I am pretty sure the mafia get alerted when we become lovers. Notwithstanding they know now so meh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:08 pm I see the mafia are voting me

Who are they?
pick one idc

So you think that all of the mafia (I'm assuming there's no more than 3 left at this point) are currently lined up as your wagon, and they are specifically ilario/leetic, NAA, and spf, and we chop those 3 and that's game?

No Marmot I don't think that

I do think spf is probably only voting me because she's stuck for candidates though. I have nfi why the other two are.

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:40 pm @MacDougall @falcon45ca

- Does your role dictate that mafia will know when you have used the investigation AND that they will know that you become lovers?
- Would you not become lovers if you didn't use the investigate?
@MacDougall Please answer this

yeah something like that

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:08 pm I see the mafia are voting me

Who are they?

pick one idc

I see the mafia are voting me

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

peepeepoopoo

[VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

poopoopeepee

cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:18 am esooa i think your reads on anne and mac specifically are bad/wrong. they're both wolfy as fuck

obligatory "if you're town" :wowee:

counterpoint ... I'm town and you're tunneling

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:40 pm I'm going to sum up Marmot's town game in a sentence, and yall can judge if this game is in line with that:

"I'll be back tonight, don't burn the house down till I get back"

Naturally, I grab the matches as soon as I hear that, but this Marmot is completely different and seems to feel the need to demonstrate their investment in the game at every turn, not only that, but their cases have been far more extensive than I've ever seen from town!marmot in terms of regular elaboration.
damn that's a pretty fucken insightful read bro lol
wow me and mac melding might mean he isnt maf lol

mac if ur town theres always a maf in dizzy or spf and i expect u to be able to figure out which after ive narrowed it down so much for you

can u tl;dr why

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:57 pm i dont think i even express that townread as scum

or if i do i express it with a ton more reservation so that my agendaed turn on you looks more believable
You have no choice but to townread her because I am townreading her and you will never get her mischopped while I am... case in point you were accutely aware of my read because you horse collared me for saying "neat" when Wilgy unvoted me. You're hyper vigilant in this game but acting memey and aloof and that's a scumtell for anyone good at mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:07 pm Your today has been characterised by transparent pocketing and TMI of nutella's slot, TMI of the fact that Falcon and I are lovers, and capitalising on bad reason for scumreading me.

The Mac wagon has been nothing but omgus from jump. SPF started it because I voted her. Shit reason. Then Lime Coke sheeped because he's a simp. There was never enough meat on that bone for you to go from townreading me to locking me in a POE world of three with NAA and Anne. You are better than that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:16 pm given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1
first 2 quotes are decently towny tho

wdym about mafia being alerted? how do you know that?

it's part of the dumb fuck role

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:13 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:11 am i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh
also there's an interesting synchronicity between illario and leetic's claim and mac and falcon's claim even if they arent exactly identical. i would speculate that it is improbable for there to be 2 pairs of players that can become confirmed town to each other (to a certain extent), but anything can happen in a role madness setup

the roles were distributed before the alignments

i need to get some beers and start day drinking brb

like im legit impressed hahaha

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:40 pm I'm going to sum up Marmot's town game in a sentence, and yall can judge if this game is in line with that:

"I'll be back tonight, don't burn the house down till I get back"

Naturally, I grab the matches as soon as I hear that, but this Marmot is completely different and seems to feel the need to demonstrate their investment in the game at every turn, not only that, but their cases have been far more extensive than I've ever seen from town!marmot in terms of regular elaboration.

damn that's a pretty fucken insightful read bro lol

i just mowed my lawn like a real man while you nerds were here exchanging pixels

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:35 pmoh i thought you guys had done that whole scumread each other thing when you both have godreads on each other thing never mind then

also that wasn't a mind meld i just think who the fuck is brad has great meme potential
I have no god read on SPF and I don't think she has one on me either. I would like to get one though.

oh i dont know why i thought that was a thing then

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:28 pm so there's always a wolf between spf and dizzy so that's neat

also who the fuck is brad?
Why? I don't really scum read SPF tbh, but don't tell her that.

Also sick mind meld.

oh i thought you guys had done that whole scumread each other thing when you both have godreads on each other thing never mind then

also that wasn't a mind meld i just think who the fuck is brad has great meme potential

so there's always a wolf between spf and dizzy so that's neat

also who the fuck is brad?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:01 pm @Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?
@Esooa
@Esooa

@Esooa

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:31 pm mac is probably just town actually

not cause of anything he's posted recently but I think if he's a wolf solving in lover chat and stuff, he just puts that activity in thread instead of like flopping about

like if he's already solving and putting energy into the game I can't see the motivation to not use that to get town read more as a wolf

i haven't done heaps there tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:17 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless
you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?
no, my point was if your a wolf the check literally isn't relevant anyways

so the statement only means anything if you're town

so you're saying that you don't believe that I cop checked falcon and that I just made that up because we were lovers?

lol i guess i can see how you arrived at that conclusion, but no

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:16 pm given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1
what lol

when I triggered the check it also triggered the loverisation and alerted the mafia at the same time that the role had been triggered... that i was forced to out means that they knew that we were lovers before falcon revealed it... therefore they knew that by flipping me they would get 2 for the price of 1

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:14 pm esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate
... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless

you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?

given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1

esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:06 pm mac's green is probably just fake cause they're lovers

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:09 pm im actually not better than that but if you can come up with a more compelling poe that doesn't include me that'd be the first step towards bridging our deeply damaged connection and guiding this town towards virtue and victory

I don't think I need more evidence that you give zero shits about the town victory than putting your vote back on me after it became known that my death results in two town flips but you do you fam

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:04 pm spf and anne have seen me be memey and aloof in multiple recent towngames

this is the part where you take my subjective analysis and manipulate it to mean something that benefits you, good job hotshot

Your today has been characterised by transparent pocketing and TMI of nutella's slot, TMI of the fact that Falcon and I are lovers, and capitalising on bad reason for scumreading me.

The Mac wagon has been nothing but omgus from jump. SPF started it because I voted her. Shit reason. Then Lime Coke sheeped because he's a simp. There was never enough meat on that bone for you to go from townreading me to locking me in a POE world of three with NAA and Anne. You are better than that.

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