The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:45 pm Gj fam. Especially SVS.

Thanks! I think it’s just easier to find small things in a thread without a billion posts lol.

I know the feel. Was nice to have a slower game tbh. Crazy we got sig d1 despite him top posting lol.

Gj fam. Especially SVS.

Point 1 has me baffled too.

Sorry what do you mean I'm right about point 2?

I think it's Falcon. I think Daisy is least likely of the 3. Meh.

I very strongly doubt sig top posts d1 and completely ignored the existence of his teammate. Matahari probs clear.

SVS and Wilgy are the clearest off spew.

We have 3 chops.

Falcon/Six/Daisy in whatever order imo.

If it is Daisy I take the L obviously but I just don't think it is. You're entitled to think it is and if it is I don't see her winning f3.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:09 am LOL, it can't be what I think ha ha, nope nope.

I'm sorry I just don't think it's Daisy.

I think it's Falcon after reading Falcon and Sig isos.

Sig's Falcon read was generous and without explanation. Falcon's unvote to Neon from sig d1 was poor at the time and then poorly justified in retro as well. He's not been townie.

There's also a key Dennis/Falcon interaction that makes Dennis an option for Falcon to kill.

I think sig directly plead with wilgy and svs in clearing ways.

He completely ignored Matahari's existence. Need to check their iso.

Gonna read Falcon for sig interactions.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Kinda rich coming from someone who’s made 1 on topic post.

I mean, I did just read most of the relevant posts in a sitting, it can give a little perspective. But I'm just doing the best I can with Day 1, there is never much to go on, but you feel like the best bet to me, all things considered. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

hard to see this as an interaction that comes after the person with 4 posts votes a partner? like... just why? I just don't see it.

jeez last wolf here could ez win this I feel

Can be a kill to make neon voters look less sus.

Agree with that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:30 pm Another point; if it was anyone but Daisy they would have killed me to frame Daisy.

Well... I would have yes lol.

Would SixStrings though?

Would have Falcon?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:16 am @MacDougall what are your thoughts and perspective on SVS?

Pretty clearly town. I'll be nomming for a socky if maf.

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:01 pm RIP Dennis. This kind of opens a whole new can of worms.
1- Strings made a nub mistake. I don’t think so but maybe
2- Dennis mentioned possibly moving his vote to Daisy because she was his next suspicion. But he wasn’t really a threat to her.
3- Mac was trying to set Strings up as the next elim. Lol
4- someone took advantage of Mac’s late in the day push against Strings, to make Mac look bad?
What other angles am I missing?

Regarding 3. Why would I even need to make a Dennis kill in order to do that? I'd just kill SVS or Daisy and everyone would likely just comply lol.

Also why the hell do I need to set him up anyway? SVS just pushes Daisy over here and SixStrings goes down with ease.

Number 4 sounds like you describing your thought process actually.

If Daisy kills anyone there but SVS I'd be surprised. If she is making a wifom (I'd never make that kill) move it makes little sense to kill Dennis instead of me there.

I think SixStrings is just having a laugh with his family tbh.

Lol do we still think it isn't SixStrings?

Explain the logic in Spacedaisy voting sig when she did plz.

I dunno. If I lost my partner d1 I'd kill the biggest threat to me n1 and him pretending otherwise is weh.

He seems to understand the game well enough to me and is overexplaining to make himself sound less aware.

Also I feel like for sig to die d1 when Neon was a serious option rules out a range of partners. Practically everyone who voted him that was around within the eod period is unlikely. And even those who voted Neon and were around at eod would have been trying more to influence. The only person in the game that makes sense from that perspective is him.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:04 pm I don't see any reason to let SixStrings live past day 3. If he's town the wolf will be Wilgy.

I would rather yeet Daisy first, please. I have no reason to think she is town, but i do have reason to think he is. Wilgy is not a wolf, you are not a wolf.

If I am wrong, I will sit down and shut up. But I very seriously don't think I am.

What reason do you have to think he is?

The thing that might be townie in that post is he's assessing himself through an only town bias. His claim he'd never kill Kate because he needs her to help him might be a townslip in that he forgot to consider that perspective may change if he's a lone bad guy.

SixStrings wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:36 pm From what i understand trying to piece this together, We the town, killed Sig spearheaded by Kate. Then in the night cycle, Sig and his partner killed Kate. I most definitely would not kill my wife on my first day, since she brought me into the game. I signed up for this assuming i could watch her posts and figure out what is going on. Since you are trying to figure out if I am good or bad, I thought that would be important to add. Guess I'll have to watch Dennis now. Don"t let me down DenMan.

now I am to look for clues as to who i believe conspired with Sig. Correct?

Any constructive feedback to this post would be greatly appreciated!

I can't get past the idea that this post always comes from a wolf.

1. He's lying in it. There's no way on Earth someone in his position refuses to kill his wife who would find it easiest in reading him.
2. He seems to be implying sig was still around during the night helping make decisions. This is an unusual enough thought that it makes me think it may be true and he doesn't realise it's abnormal.
3. He says he's watching Kate and now Dennis to figure out what's going on but again he hadn't really done that.

The fact Wilgy took one look at this post and said I believe you and townread him makes me sceptical he would have to have tmi to make the read.

He has made 6 posts all game. Yet has managed to cast decisive anti town votes in 33% of his total posts.

I don't see any reason to let SixStrings live past day 3. If he's town the wolf will be Wilgy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:32 pm

Neon 5
Voters: Falcon45ca, Matahari, SixStrings, Dennis

Sig 6
Voters: DrWilgy, Kate, MacDougall, S~V~S, Spacedaisy

Dennis 1
Voters: Neon

Spacedaisy 3
Voters: S~V~S, Matahari, MacDougall

Neon 4
Voters: Falcon45ca, SixStrings, Dennis, DrWilgy

Now that I'm aware of Neon's alignment, I should reassess Falcon, Mata, Six and Dennis. Perhaps I should give Mac more credit for the Sig push too.

I'll reISO and attempt to redigest.

This doesn't make sense at all. Once sig flipped I couldn't have been with Neon, so there was always at best a Mac w Neon t dichotomy or vice versa. You should have been giving me credit for the sig push prior if you're giving it to me now because there's no world in which I bus sig to save Neon mathematically.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.

I hope you are town then I get to call you a silly willy afterwards.

Do you recognise the absurdity of this thought?

If I'm town, you're also a silly willy for starting this whole thing with a bad read.

Aye, and if we lose because I yeet you, by all means let me know

I won't. Because being wrong in mafia is natural and being mean to someone for being wrong makes you an asshat.

Ah. Mac I didn't mean to be mean. I'm just messing. You are a good friend and I very much enjoy playing Mafia with you.

See now you're slipping tmi because you would need to know I'm town to have this thought.

Goodbye Neon you were the best of us.

Wilgy's POE tally.

Neon t
Mac t

Hohoho.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:36 pm You aren't even Mac anymore you're max

And you're mum's dead.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:36 pm Max just got schooled by someone who gets urked by undertake

I don't know what that even means Zoomer. Frfr no cap.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.

I hope you are town then I get to call you a silly willy afterwards.

Do you recognise the absurdity of this thought?

If I'm town, you're also a silly willy for starting this whole thing with a bad read.

Aye, and if we lose because I yeet you, by all means let me know

I won't. Because being wrong in mafia is natural and being mean to someone for being wrong makes you an asshat.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:34 pm Ladies ladies you're both pretty

You're mum's dead.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.

Also lol did I say I'm shifting my PoE? SVS asked for just suspicion and that's far more gut based than rationale based.

If I ignore gut (which is correct to do) I have no reason to fear Falcon.

That makes no sense. Falcon is not towny enough for you to have something empirical by which to be townreading him.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:30 pm Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.

I hope you are town then I get to call you a silly willy afterwards.

Do you recognise the absurdity of this thought?

If I'm town, you're also a silly willy for starting this whole thing with a bad read.

So did Neon strangely.

Wilgy now dropping tinfoil on Falcon is so wolfy. He's been treating Falcon like a town to a degree where I've had his townread on Falcon as TMI and now just slips him in here. That's what one does when he realises one of his miselims isn't viable. Now he's slipping his game revolving townread I to PoE.

Don't let him endgame.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:16 pm My problem with not voting Neon is that I kinda just have to vote you Mac.

You and Neon were the greatest pushers of other options d1 and that just needs to be resolved.

I also pushed sig, he pushed me, I voted him and never unvoted him. And I also clearly explained my thoughts which you ignored. And given I am town, I struggle to believe you "just have to vote me" given that seems to be a problem unique to you.

Yeah and then you scrambled at EoD as the lone player trying to hard defend the wolf.

Idk what you want from me dood, we have to resolve that.

Idk what you want from me is commonly referred to as the daily mafia scumslip btw.

I didn't scramble. I reevaluated incorrectly. I have done this in practically every mafia game I have ever played and you know it.

You're not reading the situation with any nuance.

You know I don't scumslip Mac.

Yes, but I think that if this was a reevaluation that lead to you defending Sig, you being like "wowee I was wrong" doesn't absolve you from being in the PoE.

What nuance is there to read into?

If I'm wrong it's on SVS, Daisy, Falcon or Dennis, why am I wrong to tr them?

It's not a scumslip in the sense you're describing. It's just something stressed wolves say. If you didn't know it was a cliche why wouldn't you say it?

What nuance? Like literally anything? You're avoiding dozens of interactions that you could be deducing an accurate read on me from in order to pin me in POE off of a single thing I did that's more aligned to my town meta than my scum meta anyway.

You can't defend yourself here because I have my rolecard. Also your defense has been quite bad and illogical.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:15 pm Wilgy just maintaining his read on me throughout this day and showing no town paranoia is also nagl. The mindset of wolves in this gamestate often is demonstrated by the lack of flippancy. They pick their targets and just try to roll over them downhill.

Why would I have paranoia ATM? We have 3 misyeets just to get to lylo.

Specifically referring to you not exhibiting a single ounce of doubt that I'm town. Treating me like a must resolve poe member all day. You don't have the mindset of a townie without information imo.

That's because I'm a townie with information. Sig was wolf and I trust my PoE based upon that.

And don't get me wrong. I've been here pondering the best order to resolve that PoE. I think Neon 1st, then you as I think SixStrings doesn't belong in there and I've seen too many people spew Mata as town.

This is how a wolf approaches POE. You have counted necessary miselims and preselected several slots as NKs already.

You are clamping me in POE here while giving a pass to several players who literally voted against the sig wagon, some of which are clearly not townie. Your appraisal of the gamestate doesn't feel complete to me.

Yes but every other slot has me as town (except Falcon partially) which means the baseline perspective on me is I'm not wolfy or PoE which means Wilgy's insistence that I am doesn't pass the pub test. One must wonder why.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:16 pm My problem with not voting Neon is that I kinda just have to vote you Mac.

You and Neon were the greatest pushers of other options d1 and that just needs to be resolved.

I also pushed sig, he pushed me, I voted him and never unvoted him. And I also clearly explained my thoughts which you ignored. And given I am town, I struggle to believe you "just have to vote me" given that seems to be a problem unique to you.

Yeah and then you scrambled at EoD as the lone player trying to hard defend the wolf.

Idk what you want from me dood, we have to resolve that.

Idk what you want from me is commonly referred to as the daily mafia scumslip btw.

I didn't scramble. I reevaluated incorrectly. I have done this in practically every mafia game I have ever played and you know it.

You're not reading the situation with any nuance.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:15 pm Wilgy just maintaining his read on me throughout this day and showing no town paranoia is also nagl. The mindset of wolves in this gamestate often is demonstrated by the lack of flippancy. They pick their targets and just try to roll over them downhill.

Why would I have paranoia ATM? We have 3 misyeets just to get to lylo.

Specifically referring to you not exhibiting a single ounce of doubt that I'm town. Treating me like a must resolve poe member all day. You don't have the mindset of a townie without information imo.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:17 pm Why was falcon a wagon again

I thought he was wolfy. Neon sheeped. I don't intend to end the day voting him but last time I said that I just left my vote there and a wolf died so...

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:16 pm My problem with not voting Neon is that I kinda just have to vote you Mac.

You and Neon were the greatest pushers of other options d1 and that just needs to be resolved.

I also pushed sig, he pushed me, I voted him and never unvoted him. And I also clearly explained my thoughts which you ignored. And given I am town, I struggle to believe you "just have to vote me" given that seems to be a problem unique to you.

It would be funny if it was Neon and Sig and we get them d1 and d2 as the two top posters in the game though. The uniqueness of that possibility almost makes me want to just flip Neon just in case it's accurate.

Wilgy just maintaining his read on me throughout this day and showing no town paranoia is also nagl. The mindset of wolves in this gamestate often is demonstrated by the lack of flippancy. They pick their targets and just try to roll over them downhill.

Let me see...

Wilgy is solving in a way that makes very little sense to me. I don't vibe with his reads. I didn't like his d1 townread of Neon where he agreed with my lie. I didn't like how readily he agreed with SixStrings I'd never kill my wife defense either.

Speaking of which... if anyone knows anything about marriage that defense is very likely not true. If anything a wolf SixStrings would kill her then fart in bed and pull the covers up while admitting it.

Dennis is not really towny either. Kinda just malding over nothing.

Falcon has a raging sense of entitlement but if not for that he's not towny either.

Neon is at least tonally townie but she's pretty capable of faking that. I guess my issue is less that she's towny and more that today she got slightly townier while most other slots got worse.

SVS and Matahari both seem towniest here. Daisy did vote sig but I dwelt on the idea of just killing the Neon voters and remembered that I've lost several Mountainous games with that exact logic to a d1 bus. And I d1 bus all the time in 2w Mountainous so it's not the right time to apply logic. Without that Daisy doesn't really have much going for them.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:08 pm Wow 3 people at the same time

We are the wolfteam.

I also think that Neon is probably out of their scumrange.

I'm kind of thinking I might vote Spacedaisy here based on the fact that SVS and Matahari are in agreement and both seem to be solving in the least derpy manner.

Why those 5 and not Mata, Mac or Daisy?