The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:05 am Perhaps the biggest problem with the game's balance is that, even if all of Porscha's, robyn's, and tutuu's complaints about the setup were fixed, the Oracle still would have broken the setup. Let me explain.

Now this is my first time playing in a game that had any sort of Oracle role in it. Now the difficult thing about balancing Oracles is that it's not the role itself that causes problems, it's the information that the host gives the Oracle that determines the level of power. Now for the first two days, it was fine. D1, "no townies had BTSC" was effectively confirmed due to the other statements being contradictory, but it was no big deal; it isn't exactly a huge revelation about the game and Mason and Neighborizer are virtually never used as scum fakeclaims anyways. D2 was also fine, "double targeting" was meaningless to someone who didn't understand the hosting and "one person was found to be town" isn't something that can't be confirmed by a well-placed Voyeur shot. The problem was in D3, with the statement "No one has a voted for a baddie yet." This is an absurd amount of information to give any role, as it basically confirmed a lot of people as town and singlehandedly jeopardized any chance the wolves had of winning. If the wolves hadn't forfeited, I definitely would have looked into who would have been indicted by this; I distinctly remember thinking that tutuu, who I otherwise townread, would have been indicted by this and so I began to doubt in that slot. In fact, the main reason I was hesitant to believe it is tat I thought it would be a ridiculous amount of information to give to someone; it is almost on the level of allowing someone in spoiled chat to still post. Even without the host slip that basically confirmed that a Janitor wasn't in the game, the fact that Long Con was familiar enough with your hosting style to know that a janitor was very unlikely was enough information to almost confirm it, and just one wolf flip would have immediately sealed the deal for the entire team. If you are going to use a role like that in the future, please consider the implications on the game if each of the "true" statements were mod-confirmed, since the information I got out of the Oracle role is much more than any Cop or Watcher could ever hope for. Oh well, at least I can count this as the game where I randed the most overpowered town role.

As for the setup itself, I don't have as much complaints as some others. Town blocker is fine, 1x Vig is fine, JOAT is fine, Doctor is mostly fine though I would have replaced it with a weaker role like Bodyguard or Angel given the amount of protection already in the setup, even night Ascetic is mostly fine though there probably should have been a limit to how deathproof they were, post restrictor is not fun to be hit by but not overpowered per se. The big issue here was mechanics, the wolves not being able to kill anyone they had targeted the previous night turns every wolf role into effectively being an Angel, which makes them arguably negative utility for wolves. This especially could have led to really weird -yLo shenanigans. Another thing I suggest for hosts is that if one of your rulings differs from the standard, then players should know at the beginning of the game! This is something I've had issues with as a host before, to be fair, but the wolf team should at the very least have been able to plan around the no double targeting rule from the beginning, and I honestly would have not had it in effect for N1 since they couldn't have reasonably fully anticipated the effects of their N0 actions.

Overall, I did have some fun here (when I was not being post restricted) and I am glad to have my first win in a while. Still, I understand why the wolves are frustrated here.

But the statement was false. Robyn had been voted and so had Porscha. So it meant nothing. All you knew if you pieced it correctly was that a wolf had been voted and well duh.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:01 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:46 pm but like also meh you guys played well and I think beat us if not for mech...
*looks at my poe*
yeh but you don't actually persuade anyone you just bum around making funnies
did you read Timelines?

at some point it's no longer my fault and y'all gotta just consider listening to me

Of course not. Good reads are great and yeah i'll certainly pay closer attention next time, but you should also push em a bit harder if they're consistently good. Own that shid.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:46 pm but like also meh you guys played well and I think beat us if not for mech...
*looks at my poe*

yeh but you don't actually persuade anyone you just bum around making funnies

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:36 pm Never heard of them, but I know that acronym, so LOL

It's literally Trey Parker and Matt Stone. The song is from Orgazmo.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:32 pm What horror is that??

I've been enjoying this lyric very much:

Earthlings, I adapt to 'em
Certain things, I don't want to do, but have to in
Order to just act human
Like, using a bathroom an'
vacuumin'

Now You're a Man by DVDA

Hey!
What makes a man, is it the power in his hands?
Is it his quest for glory?
Give it all you got, to fight to the top,
So we can know your story.
Now you're a man!
A man, man, man,
Now you're a man!
A manny, manny man,
A man, man, man,
You are now a man.
You're a man!
Now you're a man!
Live it, live it!
What makes a man, is it the woman in his arms,
Just 'cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way he fights everyday?
No, it's prob'ly the titties.
Now you're a man!
A man, man, man,
Now you're a man man!
Man man man man man!
Now you're a man!
M-A-N man man, man man man!
Now you're a man.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:25 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:19 pm @leetic time to full claim mate. Why'd you silence me?
Why'd you commit wire fraud?
avoiding the question is very sus
I could say the same for you, and that is a much more serious allegation

Meanwhile DM/Pyxxy and Abi are just frozen in wolf chat with no idea wtf to do.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:19 pm @leetic time to full claim mate. Why'd you silence me?
Why'd you commit wire fraud?

avoiding the question is very sus

I should put all my winners banners back in my signature so new people recognise I'm serious business.

@leetic time to full claim mate. Why'd you silence me?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:52 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:51 pm Kill me if you want I'm not 3p
what you target me wit n0?
I didn't I was blocked by someone I just lied about targeting you wolves already admitting to trying to silence you and wolves have already admitted I am town so if we are chopping me we are tying with you
don't be silly I'm not serious lol
Nah tutuu tricked me

I'm tutuu tho

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:15 pm I JUST WANNA KNOW, WHO'S DRIVING A BLACK MITSUBISHI??!!

mines white I swear

this is like if the lost boys turned on Peter Pan

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:09 pm Leetic, please. We're not fools. You're so outed.

this on the flip flip

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:52 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:51 pm Kill me if you want I'm not 3p
what you target me wit n0?
I didn't I was blocked by someone I just lied about targeting you wolves already admitting to trying to silence you and wolves have already admitted I am town so if we are chopping me we are tying with you

don't be silly I'm not serious lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:52 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:51 pm Kill me if you want I'm not 3p
what you target me wit n0?
we blocked him n0 ourselves

yeh but it worked cuz he actually did target lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:52 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:51 pm Kill me if you want I'm not 3p
very well, if ur town that doesn't mind dying then~

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

:3

baited

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:51 pm Kill me if you want I'm not 3p

what you target me wit n0?

I know. It's him lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:49 pm Ok I've had my fun time to kill wolves

no wait... you're the 3p

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:46 pm I do think there's a probable 3p in the setup.

Because it's me lmao.
No I am sparticus (for legal reasons this is a joke)

You too?

I do think there's a probable 3p in the setup.

Because it's me lmao.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:34 pm Just kill the outed wolves, it's not fucking difficult. This would be the dumbest mislynch of all time. Yes, of all time.
Lol leetic this just makes me want to vote you more

he's doing a really good job looking like a 3p hey

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:34 pm Just kill the outed wolves, it's not fucking difficult. This would be the dumbest mislynch of all time. Yes, of all time.

mmm I'll allow it

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:34 pm also we have no janitor. we don't know how falcon was janitored

once again, it probably came from leetic

let's play out a day and then you guys nk leetic lol

wasn't there a dead town role blockaaaa

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:29 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:54 pm Let's all converge on Porscha so this can be over
i think that we should chop leetic it will be really funny
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
You really want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Hey guys what if Leetic is a 3p hence why the game isn't over?
You obviously flip the outed mafia first

Leetic r u a 3p lol

like imagine if wolves all outed here and poor Leetic is a 3p survivor like... welp

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:54 pm Let's all converge on Porscha so this can be over
i think that we should chop leetic it will be really funny
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
You really want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

Hey guys what if Leetic is a 3p hence why the game isn't over?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:34 pm so who was saved last night?
well technically lc had a double protect on you and mac
damn he used them both?!
one of them came from his role, the other came from an in-thread trivia event where he answered some question about the movie this game is based off of and won another doctor action
he used the one he gained on himself no?
i dont know which one for what, but afaik he had 2 doctor actions at his disposal, one from his role, one from trivia, and protected himself and rondo. self-targetting was allowed this game at least for us. so it probably doesnt matter which one he used for what

Oh yeah I'm just pointing out I wasn't saved by LC which was the supposition lol.

How come you guys targeted me when I said I couldn't be targeted which you already knew? Thought I was lying?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:52 pm @Scotty if you simply targeted Abigail and made her target you instead of her regular target and there's nothing more to it than that sing the fifth verse of Fairytale of New York please.
Come and trim my Christmas tree
With some decorations bought at Tiffany's
I really do believe in you
Let's see if you believe in me

I think we should vote out Scotty.

Thanks dad.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:34 pm so who was saved last night?
well technically lc had a double protect on you and mac
damn he used them both?!
out of the cornfirmed towns

mac/scotty/long con/rondo

we could mechanically kill 0

I wasn't a confirmed town at all. Just very Maccish.

Scotty was open to be killed I think?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:34 pm so who was saved last night?
well technically lc had a double protect on you and mac
damn he used them both?!
one of them came from his role, the other came from an in-thread trivia event where he answered some question about the movie this game is based off of and won another doctor action

he used the one he gained on himself no?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:54 pm Let's all converge on Porscha so this can be over
i think that we should chop leetic it will be really funny

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:47 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:00 pm @RondoDimBuckle stop backreading you baboon you won the game hahaha
i wonder how accurate his reads will be by the time he catches up

who wants to make a bet?

i bet he will suspect ... 1 wolf

anyone wanna bet on 0 or 2 or 3?
well I had you as a passive suspect with your opening attempted pocket on me but you hadnt posted enough for me to out that yet. And I had robyn and Porscha so I think I did well. I was tinfoiling Mac that was about it

you misread the post you called scummy lol... I wasn't shading Scotty

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:34 pm so who was saved last night?
well technically lc had a double protect on you and mac

nah himself and Rondo

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:34 pm so who was saved last night?

I saved myself lol.

rondo plz

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:51 pm this game was genuinely unplayable

the you 3 gaslighting me while I checkered around narrowing the poe over and over was fun at least...

given the wolf team all tried to psyop me from minute 1 I'm pretty pleased with how I played albeit admitting we had a mech adv

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:46 pm if you didn't silence me n0 you could have killed me n1 tbh
don't piss me off any more than i currently am, you know that this means nothing

not intended

but like also meh you guys played well and I think beat us if not for mech...

if you didn't silence me n0 you could have killed me n1 tbh

immortal mac... such fun

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:23 pm wow can't believe he didnt fall for it

I was on edge

I was only even night activated btw

@RondoDimBuckle get in here you were right about something.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:28 pm Gather rounds friends and family we got our pelt finally.
Can I give it to pyxxy please?

LC did you shadow edit my typo out lmao.

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