The Syndicate

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:My town read of ika partially comes from his insistence on his reads and his total lack of hesitance to call people out for any little thing, similar to myself.
I assume you read Golden as scum still. Who do you see as his teammates?
If not MM, then as much as I hate to say it, possibly MP. I'm not sure though and I definitely don't want to bite down on the latter conclusion too soon.
Why do you hate to say it?
Why do you think? I was more than prepared to die because of my confident civ read in him.
I didn't have a reason what I thought. I don't hold in my mind everything you've ever said in the game. I ask you questions because I want to know the answers. This answer was good, makes sense.

Haha, okay.

Matt wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Oh, he did. He very much did.
He cared about winning, not so much about what he looked like. Oh how I wish you could've seen the bwahahahaha fests those two shared.

This is not true.

Matt wrote:I'm eager to vote for Zebra now for trying to dare me into voting Wilgy as I said I might. Hrm.

Knock yourself out, just vote already.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Golden, what is your current read of MM?
Slight town.
I see. Unless I'm mistaken, the only thing that made you initially suspect him was his hinting that MP had a power role, correct?
No. That's merely 'additional context' I gave later.

Then what was the primary reason or reasons that you initially suspected him?

Oh, he did. He very much did.

Matt wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Wilgy says that he is completely random with how he plays in any given game because that's what he wants everyone to think. I believed it myself for a while. However, patterns can be found.
I don't think a civvie Wilgy would vote for Marmot just for the fun of ties.

But...please tell me about these patterns.

Well, like I said, he cares less about how he looks when he is good. When he is bad, he may try to emulate that carefree attitude (ala Star Wars), but it won't be the same. You will see that he cares just enough.

Wilgy says that he is completely random with how he plays in any given game because that's what he wants everyone to think. I believed it myself for a while. However, patterns can be found.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:You said that you didn't understand it, not that you just disagreed with it.
Yes, I'm not understanding how you suspected her. I'm not understanding how you saw it that way cause I didn't. I understand what you are arguing.

You don't understand how blatant inconsistency within a short period of time and/or a willingness to vote to lynch a null read might be suspicious to someone?

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:My town read of ika partially comes from his insistence on his reads and his total lack of hesitance to call people out for any little thing, similar to myself.
I assume you read Golden as scum still. Who do you see as his teammates?
If not MM, then as much as I hate to say it, possibly MP. I'm not sure though and I definitely don't want to bite down on the latter conclusion too soon.
Why do you hate to say it?

Why do you think? I was more than prepared to die because of my confident civ read in him.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:This is why I suspected Silver, it's very simple.
I know why it was. I just dissagree. She was super towny imo.

You said that you didn't understand it, not that you just disagreed with it.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Golden, what is your current read of MM?
Slight town.

I see. Unless I'm mistaken, the only thing that made you initially suspect him was his hinting that MP had a power role, correct?

This is why I suspected Silver, it's very simple.

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote: IAWY-MP's points are a very superficial and amount to playstyle and I have him back at null

Silverwolf wrote: IAWY I would vote for and lynch in a heartbeat

Silverwolf wrote:VOTE INAWORDYES

Hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha what the fuck.

Matt wrote:So you disagree with my disagreeing with you on Wilgy?

Linki - Maybe

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:See I was too busy reading Silver as mafia before she was NK'd to consider that she may be right about ika. Perhaps that is something to look at.
Another thing I did not understand you doing at all. Didn't bring it up at the time cause I was feeling a wee bit tunnelly.
What, reading Silver as bad?
Yup.

What did you not understand about it?

So Matt are you going to vote for Wilgy or not?

Matt wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Yeah, you said that you didn't even think you had met him...twice.

Yeah, you said that you didn't even think you had met him...twice.

For the record, the only way I could see MP as being bad at this point is if he is teammates with Golden. If he's not teammates with Golden, then I have no reason at all to think he is bad. On the flip side, Golden is probably mafia regardless of who he is teammates with.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:See I was too busy reading Silver as mafia before she was NK'd to consider that she may be right about ika. Perhaps that is something to look at.
Another thing I did not understand you doing at all. Didn't bring it up at the time cause I was feeling a wee bit tunnelly.

What, reading Silver as bad?

Dyslexicon wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only thing I've done behind the scenes is submit a nightkill for Epignosis and Silverwolf.
We all know that was Ika who scum claimed that he did it. You don't fool me.

Can I take partial credit?

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Perhaps he is. I have town reads on both ika and IAWY, stronger town reads than Zexy I should note. ika always speaks with unwarranted certainty, in a previous game with him he actually made fun of me for insisting there be a distinction between a strong read of his and a confirmed town/scum player, I am not kidding. I'm not looking for teammate connections to IAWY only because I don't read him as mafia. If I'm currently speculating teammate connections then it's in regards to MM and Golden.
Oh ok, didn't see this before now. I get that about Ika, I assumed this was kind of his meta. There was a point where I town read him on D1, but I lost confident in that at some point, also maybe because Silver did.

See I was too busy reading Silver as mafia before she was NK'd to consider that she may be right about ika. Perhaps that is something to look at.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^ I do realize I am simplifying a lot of factors in that post, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
Lol, if you are town this game you have this tendency to be all pushing things behind the scenes, popping in and just throw some gasolin on whatever fire is burning. If you are scum, then that's your scum style I guess. Just an observation.
The only thing I've done behind the scenes is submit a nightkill for Epignosis and Silverwolf.

Dis goi

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:My town read of ika partially comes from his insistence on his reads and his total lack of hesitance to call people out for any little thing, similar to myself.
I assume you read Golden as scum still. Who do you see as his teammates?

If not MM, then as much as I hate to say it, possibly MP. I'm not sure though and I definitely don't want to bite down on the latter conclusion too soon.

My town read of ika partially comes from his insistence on his reads and his total lack of hesitance to call people out for any little thing, similar to myself.

Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:In respect of ika, he comes across as very earnest - he did in Turf Wars when bad too, but in that case he knew he would appear town if lynched. I town read him in part because of silverwolf's death, and then when he honestly stated something like 'I would kill silverwolf' his honesty in that when he had no need to point it out made me feel good about him as well. On the flip side, ika getting fixated bothers me - not because it's necessarily a scum tell, but because it minimises his interactions significantly if he is scum. Overall, though, I just 'feel good' about ika right now. Not strongly good. Just, I don't get any feelings that I need to poke there.
Why? He already had said this D1. He woudln't be able to deny it.

Not only that but he makes sure to say it in every game.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:As to the first question, I haven't been okay with an IAWY lynch ever since MP ISO'd him and provided no analysis that convinced me, but did convince quite a few others.
K, well I think he's scum. I think it's likely Ika bussed IAWY D1, he talked from a perspective that IAWY was confirmed scum. I think it's been mentioned already (by Ika himself iirc) that Ika would bus hard as scum, and if IAWY was scum doing nothing D1 it would not be an unreasonable tactic as he would be likely to get lynched sooner rather than later anyway. I can also see other people teamed with IAWY like Soneji, Golden and Matt. But that's my view.

Perhaps he is. I have town reads on both ika and IAWY, stronger town reads than Zexy I should note. ika always speaks with unwarranted certainty, in a previous game with him he actually made fun of me for insisting there be a distinction between a strong read of his and a confirmed town/scum player, I am not kidding. I'm not looking for teammate connections to IAWY only because I don't read him as mafia. If I'm currently speculating teammate connections then it's in regards to MM and Golden.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:His reads just seemed genuine to me. It seems (seemed? not sure to be honest) like he is trying to figure out things without being swayed too easily in any given direction. A legitimate effort to find the baddies.
That's fine as a read of his actions, but that is kind of what scum does though - try to come across as making a legitimate effort to find scum. He has not amazed me with his towniness at any point in this game.

Well of course, I'm just saying that I haven't sensed that he's trying to come across that way, rather that he is that way. But perhaps not recently. I don't know. You and Marco have got me questioning my read of him.

Dyslexicon wrote:Why was everyone ok lynching IAWY D1, but not today?

Why is Golden on the same wagon as IAWY who he apparently suspects?

Town needs to organize a lynch and not have too much EOD cray cray here.

As to the first question, I haven't been okay with an IAWY lynch ever since MP ISO'd him and provided no analysis that convinced me, but did convince quite a few others.

Marco wrote:It should be noted that zexy has not really been engaging in the game since after the first half of day 1. I'm still waiting on those ISO reads he promised around 72 hours ago.

Do you suspect him for this or do you not think it is alignment-indicative?

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Stop it, you're hurting my town read of Zexy.
I may have done something else stupid as well, but I don't care cause yolo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't understand why people have him as a townread in general. He was active at the start, did some questioning, but not many conclusive thoughts. All null imo. And then he writes a catch up now and then and doesn't follow up for the longest time. Such skating wow.

His reads just seemed genuine to me. It seems (seemed? not sure to be honest) like he is trying to figure out things without being swayed too easily in any given direction. A legitimate effort to find the baddies.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I'm not sure. Sometimes when I'm catching up after a lynch or night-kill I get impatient and skip to find out who died before going back to respond or comment on various things. It could be that mid-way through Zexy's catch-up they had to see the result.
Then why say "Ignore the parts about Silverwolf and Long Con/Epignosis, I guess." afterwards? Why not just take it out or do a disclaimer in the same post if he already knew who died?

The catch up post came first. Then the disclaimer. It read very much like coming off as him not knowing who had died.

Furthermore. He has written this catchup in the nighttime (pretty sure he said this, because he mentioned that you can't quote when it is night) - so for him to have seen the flips then he would've need to go back to the post and corrected the parts about Epig to "was" instead of "is".

Stop it, you're hurting my town read of Zexy.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Currently we have a four-way tie, how much time is left?
I think about 4 hours and 13 minutes.
Thank you.
Do you have the time to catch up before day end?

I'm already caught up.

I'm not sure. Sometimes when I'm catching up after a lynch or night-kill I get impatient and skip to find out who died before going back to respond or comment on various things. It could be that mid-way through Zexy's catch-up they had to see the result.

Golden, what is your current read of MM?

Golden wrote: Why do you think Wilgy is town?

Because he's floating by and being non-contributory. I think he's similar to me in that he noticeably gives more of a damn how people read him when he's bad, and less of a damn when he's good. I think if he were bad he would be trying to fluff things up more, or provide more reads.

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Currently we have a four-way tie, how much time is left?
I think about 4 hours and 13 minutes.

Thank you.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Matt wrote:Where's Zebra, I wanna talk to Zeebs.

Zeebs Zeebs Zeebs

What do you think of the good doctor?
I think he's a good doctor.
Do you think he is a town doctor?

What else did you think my response implied?

Currently we have a four-way tie, how much time is left?

Matt wrote:Where's Zebra, I wanna talk to Zeebs.

Zeebs Zeebs Zeebs

What do you think of the good doctor?

I think he's a good doctor.

See, you wonder why I suspect you when you misrepresent me to this degree, and lie to my face about what I myself said as well as what others said.

Then you have the nerve to say that maybe it's just playstyle. What's just playstyle exactly? Playing the game?

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.
Like, he didn't say that.

He didn't?

Golden wrote:I am town, but I'd sooner mislynch you and leave my vote on you than be lynched myself.

Golden wrote:If that means lynching the people who think I'm bad, even if they are town, then so be it.

Golden wrote:I just know why my vote is there right now, and its not because I'm scum reading you.

Dyslexicon wrote:Just like Ika didn't claim scum when he said that if he was scum he'd kill Silver.

Which is why I asked him the following instead of accusing him of scum-claiming:

a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:I'm on break but anyone who thinks I wouldn't kill silver n1 is being redoicolus.
So you did kill her.
If I was scum, yes that would be the case.
So are you confessing or are you saying that you were framed?

Dyslexicon wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Plus I already did during my initial responses to you so I would just be repeating myself.
Alright, I'll just do you then. Going to catch up on everything first.

Is this still happening?

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote: Anyway, what do you want me to do? Say 'oh, zebra, you're right, I'm scum, well done'? I AM TOWN, what else do you think I'll be but stubborn in the face of accusations I'm not?
If all I wanted from you was to concede then I wouldn't have bothered holding my vote until you responded. Strong defenses have swayed me before, I wanted you to defend yourself convincingly. Instead, you pulled the condescension/disrespect card. Not smart.
I defended myself with the truth. You didn't buy it. I am not then going to make up shit to be more persuasive. If you don't buy the truth, there is nothing more I can do.

The truth? What a cop out. You defended yourself with cheap semantics and then accused me of attacking you with them. If you were speaking the truth then you did a shit job of going about it.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.
Well, I wouldn't know if it would be a mislynch or not. I just know why my vote is there right now, and its not because I'm scum reading you.

If you're not voting me because you're scum-reading me then my point still stands. If you want me mislynched for reading you as bad then failing to pretend that you think I'm a baddie myself isn't going to help much.

Golden wrote: Anyway, what do you want me to do? Say 'oh, zebra, you're right, I'm scum, well done'? I AM TOWN, what else do you think I'll be but stubborn in the face of accusations I'm not?

If all I wanted from you was to concede then I wouldn't have bothered holding my vote until you responded. Strong defenses have swayed me before, I wanted you to defend yourself convincingly. Instead, you pulled the condescension/disrespect card. Not smart.

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Golden wrote:Here's the thing, zebra. Full seriousness.

I am town, but I'd sooner mislynch you and leave my vote on you than be lynched myself. I'm playing this game for practice for champs. I don't actually care if you go down. I don't actually WHO goes down. I'm going to do my best to try to solve the game and thats all there is to it.

I'll do what I have to do to survive in this game. If that means lynching the people who think I'm bad, even if they are town, then so be it. Means I get longer to practice.

I don't have any teammates to come to my rescue and help. If I do get lynched today, I'll call it a failed endeavour. Certainly, I'll give up, because I don't have time for this shit. I'm playing because JJJ was nice enough to give me a chance to practice, even though I really don't have time for it.

Haha, do your worst. Very pro-town of you to go after me and anyone else that suspects you just so you can practice.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I have no justified reason to vote you. I don't give a shit. I'm voting for you to wake you up. Lynch me and you lynch a townie. You've decided to see every explanation I make as a point in your favour, despite the fact it is neither inconsistent nor in any way false.

Or, put another way, your posts towards me are basically the same as silverwolf's posts towards MP yesterday. You are just looking for a reason to suspect me, and anything I say furthers your existing perception. Even rational points that you admit should sway you in the other direction swayed you further towards suspecting me, so...

I'll do what I can to wake you up. If I can't, then whatevs.
Where did I ask for a justified reason? I know your reason, you made it clear already. You have no convincing argument in your alignment's favor so you're resorting to voting me in the hopes that...that will change my mind? I guess? I don't know. Whatever it is, it's not working.
I doubt anything will work.

Doesn't make you any more correct.

You've got yourself caught up in your own semantic arguments and the only reason you are calling my responses to you inconsistent and illogical is because you've deemed them so, not because they actually are.

That's kind of how opinions work, yeah. I think something is this or that so I think something is this or that. Sometimes I might even dare to say it.

Golden wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:Go after me hard and lynch me today and you will be looking real bad tomorrow.
And what do you think of her alignment?
Misguided town. If I thought she were bad, I wouldn't be putting in the effort to wake her up.

You mean the effort like the eye-roll in the last response? You're not putting any fucking effort whatsoever, you're just emulating the town Golden stubbornness that I accused you of lacking earlier to make up for lost time.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:After MM's case, sloonei.

After sloonei jumped off the Frog vote, sloonei.

It's not that hard to follow.

You're sure it wasn't the extra work he put in after his initial case? Because we agreed that his initial case was rubbish, remember?

Yeah I really can't deny these persuasive arguments you're throwing back at me, I'm totally tunneling you by pretending that such reason as this is working against you rather than for you. Silly me.

Golden wrote:I have no justified reason to vote you. I don't give a shit. I'm voting for you to wake you up. Lynch me and you lynch a townie. You've decided to see every explanation I make as a point in your favour, despite the fact it is neither inconsistent nor in any way false.

Or, put another way, your posts towards me are basically the same as silverwolf's posts towards MP yesterday. You are just looking for a reason to suspect me, and anything I say furthers your existing perception. Even rational points that you admit should sway you in the other direction swayed you further towards suspecting me, so...

I'll do what I can to wake you up. If I can't, then whatevs.

Where did I ask for a justified reason? I know your reason, you made it clear already. You have no convincing argument in your alignment's favor so you're resorting to voting me in the hopes that...that will change my mind? I guess? I don't know. Whatever it is, it's not working.

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