The Syndicate

Golden wrote:Well, TH and zebra. All I can say is that if you can defend sig's behaviour at the end of EoD2 as genuine, then next time I'm bad I'll count on your support when I cast the vote to save my baddie teammate. All I have to do is scream that the people who are trying to lynch my teammate are probably mostly bad, and decry that there are no reasons for it.

I mean, honestly, I can't see the perspective of either of you coming from anything other than info.

It's not that simple. If in the process of saving your baddie teammate you came off as baddie-motivated or disingenuous, I wouldn't be defending you. I'm defending sig because he never came off that way in the process. Not to me anyway. You're free to disagree but don't act like your word is Gospel.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:sig isn't safe from suspicion. If I suspect him I'll voice whatever suspicion I have. But the fact that I haven't been pinged by him yet combined with the fact that the opposition against him is remarkably over-the-top and overtly disingenuous (his voting record makes him bad? REALLY?) does indeed make him the civviest of civs at this time.
So what does it take for someone to "ping" you? It would be good to know in the future since you voted for me twice.
Disingenuous baddie behavior, manipulative baddie behavior, opportunistic baddie behavior, etc.
Oh okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

Any time you forget.

ika wrote:
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ika wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:
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ika wrote:
it 100% concerns me. when shes i sbeing attacked for misreprestive reasons i will defend it.

if you quote the very post that say what your accusations are, i will gladly let her answer but i want to see where your pulling your accusation form
She's town, you're not.
Show me the post where I called lama scum I bet you can't find any. Also care to make a case for the vote or is it just cus I disagree
What a baffling request. I made no claim that you called llama scum. Your posts are disingenuous, you're making the case for me right here.
So you admit you have no case on me. Good to know.

Your saying llama is town I'm not is an implication that I was somewhere scum reading lama

I'm at work but I'm on break room doing rugs so ya it's not at all

First of all, it's pretty obvious that my baddie read of you is based on gut, so concluding that I don't have a case on you isn't exactly an impressive discovery. I'm glad you know that now though.

Second, I didn't say that llama is town. I said that Silverwolf is town, and that you're not. But even if I did say that llama was town and that you're not, in what world does that imply that you said somewhere that you were baddie-reading llama?

Thank you for continuing to build my upcoming (date TBD) case against you.

Well let's break it down shall we

A) you never said anything about guts at all so problems on you
First of all, there is no problem. Second, I don't have to say that I have a gut read for it to be clear that I have a gut read. If the lack of pointing out a specific post that pinged me (let alone a full case) isn't enough, then my history in this game of almost exclusively basing my reads entirely on gut should be.
B) you calling silver town is actually funny considering I have been saying that long before you and have been defending her.
And your point is? See my read of Silver being town is genuine and I really don't think yours is. The fact that here you're emphasizing just how long you've been town-reading her in addition to your non-stop defending of her throughout the game helps this theory. I think that, as a baddie, you know she is town so you can be comfortable flooding the thread with defenses of her without worrying about being wrong and her flipping bad. If you were town, I don't think you would be defending her half as strongly as you have been, because without the knowledge that she is in fact town you would have more of an open mind to her being suspicious, at least to some other players.
C) ou quoted the llama and me post. That post context was me calling silver town still so it gave the implication you meant llama to me and if you did mean silver that means diddly cus as I said, I have been calling her town for quite some time and the post you quoted as saying she's town
Wrong again. It's exactly because the post I was quoting was referring to Silver that my post was referring to you and Silver as well. There was no implication, it was explicitly stated. "She's town, you're not." Llama is a he, so that doesn't leave much room for doubt as to who I was referring to. I don't believe that you actually misinterpreted such a clearly-made point the way you claim to have done, so you're going from orange to bright red in my rainbow list.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:sig isn't safe from suspicion. If I suspect him I'll voice whatever suspicion I have. But the fact that I haven't been pinged by him yet combined with the fact that the opposition against him is remarkably over-the-top and overtly disingenuous (his voting record makes him bad? REALLY?) does indeed make him the civviest of civs at this time.
So what does it take for someone to "ping" you? It would be good to know in the future since you voted for me twice.

Disingenuous baddie behavior, manipulative baddie behavior, opportunistic baddie behavior, etc.

Golden wrote:@zebra - oh, but sig didn't merely try and save fuzz. He painted the entire CFD as a scummy move and tried to create fearmongering against it.

You see that as deliberate manipulation, I saw it as him genuinely thinking that the CFD was scummy. That's not hard for me to believe since I thought the same at the time, and have had doubts about its legitimacy even after Fuzz's baddie flip. Where did he create fear-mongering, lol?

ika wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
This doesn't concern you, Ika. Run along now and let the wolf defend herself. Your rapid protection of her is tedious.
it 100% concerns me. when shes i sbeing attacked for misreprestive reasons i will defend it.

if you quote the very post that say what your accusations are, i will gladly let her answer but i want to see where your pulling your accusation form
She's town, you're not.
Show me the post where I called lama scum I bet you can't find any. Also care to make a case for the vote or is it just cus I disagree
What a baffling request. I made no claim that you called llama scum. Your posts are disingenuous, you're making the case for me right here.
So you admit you have no case on me. Good to know.

Your saying llama is town I'm not is an implication that I was somewhere scum reading lama

I'm at work but I'm on break room doing rugs so ya it's not at all

First of all, it's pretty obvious that my baddie read of you is based on gut, so concluding that I don't have a case on you isn't exactly an impressive discovery. I'm glad you know that now though.

Second, I didn't say that llama is town. I said that Silverwolf is town, and that you're not. But even if I did say that llama was town and that you're not, in what world does that imply that you said somewhere that you were baddie-reading llama?

Thank you for continuing to build my upcoming (date TBD) case against you.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:Except, apparently, sig, who is the civviest of civs? Why?
sig isn't safe from suspicion. If I suspect him I'll voice whatever suspicion I have. But the fact that I haven't been pinged by him yet combined with the fact that the opposition against him is remarkably over-the-top and overtly disingenuous (his voting record makes him bad? REALLY?) does indeed make him the civviest of civs at this time.
Oh, so we should simply expect all baddies to bus then? Voting records are irrelevant?

How is it disingenuous to see sig as demonstrating intent - in both thread and vote - to save fuzz?

If a suspicious voting record is supported by suspicious in-thread content, then no, it isn't irrelevant.

However, if the in-thread content is clearly genuine, than the voting record alone should not be held against the player as an excuse to mislynch them.

That's not the disingenuous part. sig did intend to save Fuzz. The disingenuous part is the leap of faith that trying to save Fuzz automatically makes sig bad. You know, as does everyone else at sig's throat at the moment, that civs try to save others too, and if a civ is wrong about a player and tries to save them when they are in fact bad, the actual baddies will take advantage of this and go after the civ who was wrong. This is what is happening here. I'm not sure if you are one of those baddies taking advantage of this opportunity or if you are simply misguided, but in either case you are not leading the game in a pro-town direction by advocating a sig lynch because he was mistaken, and you are not helping my read of you go up by acting like a civilian mistake is equivalent to a baddie rescue attempt, as well as acting like your recent demeanor makes you confirmed town. If you know me, then you know I'm not going to accept that blindly, so if you're civ then insisting that I agree with a sea of illogical declarations without backing them up is not the way to get me on your side.

Quin wrote:What do you all think about llama right now? Do you think his sudden declaration of activity to be a bit convenient given Silver's decision to start looking at inactives? Or is llama prone to these bursts of inactivity/activity due to work?

The latter.

Well, besides Turnip, Scotty, Llama, and Nero anyway.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
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Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.
This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.
Well, he is not bad so you can stop being bothered
Relax, he's a yellow read. Bottom 10 but not bottom 5.
He has been taking alot of flak, and he is probably the civviest person in this thread after Silver imo. And I absolutely hate the thrust at him. Ever since Fuzz' lynch people have been trying to turn this onto the Fuzz voters, and Golden primarily, and that is just a baddie look to me.
Do you think I'm doing any of this by not reading him as confirmed town? I've voiced my discontent over CFDs but I have not tried to turn anything onto the Fuzz voters other than to say that I'm sure there was at least a few baddies on that wagon. No one specific, but I don't see any other possibility. Golden is a yellow read. If he's one of the civviest peeople in this thread, he can take whatever thrust is thrown at him. No one is safe from suspicion.
Except, apparently, sig, who is the civviest of civs? Why?

sig isn't safe from suspicion. If I suspect him I'll voice whatever suspicion I have. But the fact that I haven't been pinged by him yet combined with the fact that the opposition against him is remarkably over-the-top and overtly disingenuous (his voting record makes him bad? REALLY?) does indeed make him the civviest of civs at this time.

S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.
This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.
Well, he is not bad so you can stop being bothered
Relax, he's a yellow read. Bottom 10 but not bottom 5.
He has been taking alot of flak, and he is probably the civviest person in this thread after Silver imo. And I absolutely hate the thrust at him. Ever since Fuzz' lynch people have been trying to turn this onto the Fuzz voters, and Golden primarily, and that is just a baddie look to me.

Do you think I'm doing any of this by not reading him as confirmed town? I've voiced my discontent over CFDs but I have not tried to turn anything onto the Fuzz voters other than to say that I'm sure there was at least a few baddies on that wagon. No one specific, but I don't see any other possibility. Golden is a yellow read. If he's one of the civviest peeople in this thread, he can take whatever thrust is thrown at him. No one is safe from suspicion.

Golden wrote:@zebra - you don't know me enough. I haven't played this style of game since rev mafia.

I see. Well since you know that I don't know you enough, you shouldn't expect me to take your word for it that you're confirmed town. You shouldn't expect me to take S~V~S' word for it either. I need meat, real meat.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.
This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.
Well, he is not bad so you can stop being bothered
Relax, he's a yellow read. Bottom 10 but not bottom 5.
No, what SVS is saying is I AM NOT SCUM.

Like, there is literally no world on which any person should have me at any less than confirmed town, and any one who knows me knows it.

I know what SVS said. It's not exactly open to interpretation.

Explain how you are confirmed town. We weren't raised in the same household but I think I know you a decent amount, and I'm not seeing it.

S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.
This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.
Well, he is not bad so you can stop being bothered

Relax, he's a yellow read. Bottom 10 but not bottom 5.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head
Scotty
thellama73
Nerolunar
sig

Silverwolf
indiglo
agleaminranks
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Serge
Quin
Golden
Sloonei
S~V~S

chaindeath
Draconus
Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0

Epignosis
ika
Sig and TH look terrible. How can you have them both in your most civilian reads?
Neither of them look terrible, please stop pretending that they do.
Oh, really? Sig defending fuzz hard and saving him with his vote doesn't look terrible? Why?

Why does it look terrible? You honestly think sig would do that as a teammate? Please.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.
This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.
Why?

I mean, besides the fact that I've turned on many of my reads, both town and scum, so it's blatantly false.

"blatantly false"

This in itself is a black and white statement. We're not referring to your reads and you know it.

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
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Black Rock wrote:Linki Golden, Zebra is a cop? That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
There is one other explanation that makes sense to me.
What letter does it start with?
C is for Cookie, Cookie starts with C... cookie cookie cookie starts with C.

Wrong.

Quin wrote:On top of that, he's been giving black and white statements ever since EoD2, which I do not like.

This is the main thing that's been bothering me about Golden.

Golden wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Linki Golden, Zebra is a cop? That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
There is one other explanation that makes sense to me.

What letter does it start with?

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head
Scotty
thellama73
Nerolunar
sig

Silverwolf
indiglo
agleaminranks
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Serge
Quin
Golden
Sloonei
S~V~S

chaindeath
Draconus
Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0

Epignosis
ika
Sig and TH look terrible. How can you have them both in your most civilian reads?

Neither of them look terrible, please stop pretending that they do.

Regarding Scotty and chaindeath at least, I don't know about Serge and Quin.

S~V~S and I...kind of...on the same page?

Quin wrote: Interesting that we've got some complete opposites going on here.

A few, yes.

ika wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ika wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
This doesn't concern you, Ika. Run along now and let the wolf defend herself. Your rapid protection of her is tedious.
it 100% concerns me. when shes i sbeing attacked for misreprestive reasons i will defend it.

if you quote the very post that say what your accusations are, i will gladly let her answer but i want to see where your pulling your accusation form
She's town, you're not.
Show me the post where I called lama scum I bet you can't find any. Also care to make a case for the vote or is it just cus I disagree

What a baffling request. I made no claim that you called llama scum. Your posts are disingenuous, you're making the case for me right here.

That's the best possible explanation for the dynamic between the two of you so far in the game.

ika wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
This doesn't concern you, Ika. Run along now and let the wolf defend herself. Your rapid protection of her is tedious.
it 100% concerns me. when shes i sbeing attacked for misreprestive reasons i will defend it.

if you quote the very post that say what your accusations are, i will gladly let her answer but i want to see where your pulling your accusation form

She's town, you're not.

Turnip Head
Scotty
thellama73
Nerolunar
sig

Silverwolf
indiglo
agleaminranks
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Serge
Quin
Golden
Sloonei
S~V~S

chaindeath
Draconus
Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0

Epignosis
ika

sig is civ.

I do.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've got some of these to go around.
Dish 'em out then, we need more then unspecified suspicions.
Nah. I'm going to eat the delicious roast I made and then lose some more money on basketball.

No surprise there.

Peace town, I'm going to fuck off as well!

Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:OK, I've been super busy and am several pages behind. I'll try to catch up over night phase here.
We've found (one of) the baddie Long Con voter(s)!
And who the hell are you? You have some nerve being absent most of the game and then saying shit like this. I would say more but this is a polite environment.

Shit like this? It's an accusation of your alignment, nothing more. No need to make it personal.

sig wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've got some of these to go around.
Do I get any?

I know I do.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:We should have CFD'd zeebs when we had the chance.
You're going down, marmot.
And a stunning display it will be!

Linki: Thanks DDL, but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish there. I don't see that post as arrogant.
Not that post in particular, but zebra has been a liability to the civs since the start of the game, and yet she has been acting like she has a better grasp of the game than everyone else.

That's arrogant.

Wrong again. Clearly you don't know what I'm acting like.

Silverwolf wrote:OK, I've been super busy and am several pages behind. I'll try to catch up over night phase here.

We've found (one of) the baddie Long Con voter(s)!

Epignosis wrote:I've got some of these to go around.

Dish 'em out then, we need more then unspecified suspicions.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:We should have CFD'd zeebs when we had the chance.
You're going down, marmot.
Stop.

You didn't do anything right this day. You tunneled on LC and refused to explain why. For all we know you could be wrong about Sig and Nero too. Or mafia.

Leave that arrogance at home please.

You're going down too, DDL. Mr. I-Thought-The-Lynch-Result-Was-The-Complete-Opposite-Of-What-It-Was. Overconfident baddie? Yes.

linki - Oh okay, sig flipping good.

...

Nope, I still don't buy it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:We should have CFD'd zeebs when we had the chance.

You're going down, marmot.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:If Sig is bad I'll ROTFL.

Because you never would have seen it coming, right? After all, you were sure he was civ the whole time.

Oh wait.

RIP sig.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And now not only are you advocating lynching him, you think that a Golden read would be a bonus and not the main course?
Let me explain a little better. In Sig vote, which I eventually abandoned, I was lynching him partly because of the bonus of reading Golden. But it was just a bonus, not the main course.

I was speculating on the possibility of voting just to confirm Golden. But I doubt I'd ever do that in reality, because it's kind against the spirit of the game. I mean, we are supposed to hunt scum.

Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for lack of tone in the internet.

And there it is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Serge wrote:@Metalmarsh89 try searching for *Fuzz
Thanks, that's mighty useful.

Oh and also sig.

Okay DDL you're officially voting for a sig lynch by not switching to Long Con now.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not everything I say is what I want to do right now. Some is just speculation.

That's why I said "it could be argued".

Waffle House.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:A Sig baddie lynch would be a strong indicator for Golden being town.

And it could be argued that getting a realiable read on Golden is more useful to town on the long run than lynching a baddie, imo.
I would like to see that argument.
A Scum Golden who can't be read is a steamroll waiting to happen.

I don't think I'm lynching Sig today, though.
A steamroll indeed it is. But is a reliable read on Golden (which in itself is nowhere near gained from a fucking sig baddie lynch) really preferable to baddie death?
Maybe. After seeing Golden beat 10 townies by himself, it could be.

I'm not lynching someone JUST to get a read on Golden though. That's just a bonus.
But I thought you said that you didn't think you were lynching sig today?
I'm not.

We are just arguing about a point that is obsolete because I switched my vote 15 minutes ago.

It's not obsolete, you're potentially contributing to a sig lynch by not voting for Long Con. And you're advocating a sig lynch while simultaneously not committing to it by actually voting for him. You bad.

And now not only are you advocating lynching him, you think that a Golden read would be a bonus and not the main course?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:A Sig baddie lynch would be a strong indicator for Golden being town.

And it could be argued that getting a realiable read on Golden is more useful to town on the long run than lynching a baddie, imo.
I would like to see that argument.
A Scum Golden who can't be read is a steamroll waiting to happen.

I don't think I'm lynching Sig today, though.
A steamroll indeed it is. But is a reliable read on Golden (which in itself is nowhere near gained from a fucking sig baddie lynch) really preferable to baddie death?
Maybe. After seeing Golden beat 10 townies by himself, it could be.

I'm not lynching someone JUST to get a read on Golden though. That's just a bonus.

But I thought you said that you didn't think you were lynching sig today?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:A Sig baddie lynch would be a strong indicator for Golden being town.

And it could be argued that getting a realiable read on Golden is more useful to town on the long run than lynching a baddie, imo.
I would like to see that argument.
A Scum Golden who can't be read is a steamroll waiting to happen.

I don't think I'm lynching Sig today, though.

A steamroll indeed it is. But is a reliable read on Golden (which in itself is nowhere near gained from a fucking sig baddie lynch) really preferable to baddie death?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:A Sig baddie lynch would be a strong indicator for Golden being town.

And it could be argued that getting a realiable read on Golden is more useful to town on the long run than lynching a baddie, imo.

I would like to see that argument.

A sig civ lynch would indicate nothing.

A sig baddie lynch would indicate nothing.

I rest my case.

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