The Syndicate

Thanks Jay. And holy shit Quin, you are a baddie legend. Shout out to everyone else too, games like this are the reason people play Mafia.

I would be mad that my team did so great throughout the whole game and still lost but I'm so impressed with the civilian comeback that I can't be. FANTASTIC job, town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine.

Just so it's said, all of you (and I really do mean ALL of you) have been great and this has been fun for me. My life just can't handle this anymore.

Sorry, I just...need to leave. Maybe not forever but I'm not making any promises.

Sloonei wrote:zebra, who would you prefer: INH or indiglo? Your MP vote isn't doing much right now. I'd definitely like him to be a bigger topic of discussion tomorrow though.

Ask whoever my replacement is.

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?

I think that post makes him look bad.

Then we agree completely.

He'd be my second choice after INH if things start to change near the deadline.

I've been waffling on INH a bit I confess. I don't think JJJ is being naive to suggest that INH's rage is incompatible with a civ role card, but that still doesn't mean INH is civ.

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?

I think that post makes him look bad.

Then we agree completely.

Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?

I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?

Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?

This is the best Scotty 2.0 post to look at imo. I don't think his response appears particularly thrilled. I get the vibe of a player who subbed in for a widely suspected scum (sprityo) and doesn't have the will to fight his way out of it. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree, but are you saying that makes him more likely to be town or no?

Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.

Regarding the underlined, that's not the whole case??? What???

Why make Day 1 rainbow lists (because that's right he made TWO rainbow lists on Day 1), which are meant to be thorough by definition, if they're not going to be thorough? Why not just list the reads that you feel relatively confident about and leave it at that, rather than trying to appear a thousand times more substantive? Come on.

linki - I'd be much more likely to vote for Scotty than indiglo. indiglo's frustration appears genuine to me, and if she were bad I actually think she would tone down the rage so as not to stand out as much. Scotty seems a bit too chill knowing that he's replaced a highly suspected slot. I have been wrong about him before though. Like earlier in this very game but hey whatever am I right

linki - I'll take my vote off of MP if (and only if) it is to prevent a tie.

And as for it being a bold move, I can't say for certain that MP has made a bolder one as a baddie before but I would be surprised if he never did. I know I have for whatever that's worth.

Sloonei wrote:On my phone and doing some housework at the moment, but I'll respond in more detail when i can.

Sounds good. Don't rush but kind of do rush please. :P

linki @ LoRab - By asking why he would do that as a baddie, you answer your own question. It's to get civs to ask "why would they do that as a baddie" or better yet to say with conviction "player X definitely wouldn't do that as a baddie"? When something appears without motive for a baddie, and it therefore makes them look more civ, that's where the motive appears.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He also took this post seriously

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a good thing Wilgy is confirmed bad. Makes the lynch decision today easy.

?!?!!?!?!

To be fair, I wasn't sure if you meant that post to be taken seriously or not myself. I just didn't know what to make of it. Normally your not-so-serious posts are more transparently not-so-serious than that one.

DharmaHelper wrote:Rainbow lists are dumb and bad

They certainly can be, but in general I disagree.

I also feel that MP's responses to those who have suspected throughout the game have been alarmingly defensive, and I think he's the most likely candidate for JJJ's attempted NK. I admit that that's more speculative than his Day 1 antics with Eloh.

linki Sloonei - Which points do you flat-out disagree with and which points do you like?

For the record, my MP post stops at the chronological point that it does because after that second rainbow list it's fairly obvious that MP decided that bussing Eloh was the way to go and so from that point until Eloh's lynch he tried to make everyone forget how horrifically waffly he was on her at first.

Hi J. Convince me to vote for Scotty 2.0 por favor.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.

The "trying too hard" argument bothers me, but I'm not sure I find you suspicious for it. I just don't agree. Also, Neil Hartley has nothing to do with Mad Max.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know?

What a wild post, madame! How would you feel if Neil Hartley told you that you "tried too hard" to find something negative to say about his roleplay! I think you might be bad news, and I'm gonna inform security to keep an eye on your table.

Elohcin

How much of this serious?

I know I've already brought up these first three posts but no one responded and later Dom asked me for some elaboration on my MP read so they can't not be in this post. I mean these alone are, or at least should be, pretty damning knowing how things played out. MP begins his Eloh read fabrication with literally just a ponder smiley, the most obvious "I'm just going to go wherever town goes with this" reaction you could possibly have. It's especially irreconcilable with the MP-is-civ narrative because civ MP rarely responds to posts with just a smiley, especially one as vague and open to different trajectories as the pondering one. MP almost always delivers his definitive thoughts on anything and everything he addresses, more often than not going into more detail than most right from the get go. For him to not even say whether he agrees, disagrees, or is undecided on the matter of Eloh's lifelessness and instead to deliver a reaction that could interpreted as all three, or at the time even suspicion of JJJ rather than Eloh, is pretty bad. And that's just the first post.

What in the name of the piano is up with that second post? The waffliness of it is just scratching the surface, there's a glaring contradiction there that PROVES MP was fabricating his read of Eloh at least at the time. I've fabricated reads before as a civ myself just to not get lynched, so I'm not saying that MP is confirmed bad because he has a confirmed fake read. If something bothers you about another player alignment-wise, then of course you find them suspicious for it. If you don't find the other player suspicious for it, then it bothers you in a way that is unrelated to the game, which obviously isn't the case here, given that what's apparently bothersome to MP here is the "trying too hard" argument. How would that argument go about bothering someone in a way that isn't suspicious? MP goes on to say that he just doesn't "agree"....what???? If you simply don't agree with an argument, then you disagree with it. You don't say that it bothers you, unless it bothers you by peaking your suspicion. To make matters worse, MP outright say that he didn't find Eloh suspicious for it, he said that he fucking wasn't sure if he found her suspicious for it. Are you serious?

And then there's the icing on the cake which is the third post. After two posts that express undefined, neutral, and contradictory views on Eloh, he then asks JJJ how much of his post expressing suspicion of her is serious. This clearly implies that MP was taken aback by JJJ's post, but why would he be? Beyond the fluff of the role-playing, there's nothing in that post to suggest that JJJ is kidding around with what he was saying there, so why would it produce a reaction like the one MP had?

Seriously people, pretend that you know that MP is good and then read those three posts. Then pretend that you know that MP is bad and then read those three posts. Knowing Eloh's flip, which hypothesis makes more sense?

Oh but I'm just getting started. Those were just the posts that I had already quoted earlier.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...

We have 24 hours (or had as of the time of your post) in this game. Why self-preservation so early?

I believe that Eloh's Day 1 self-preservation vote was a co-ordinated effort between her and MP to lower suspicions of both of them, for Eloh in the short-term and for MP in the long-term. Here me out please. When Elohcin posted that she was voting out of self-preservation, the next minute JJJ responded by asking what was her beef with bwt, her vote of choice. Between that time and MP's post here quite a few players posted and none of them thought to ask her why she would make a self-preservation vote/post so early. Only MP had that thought. Eloh's self-preservation vote was meant to look too risky or clumsy for a baddie and then MP was meant to come in, call it out, and earn them both town credit WHILE distancing from each other WHILE low key scum-reading each other. MP being the one to call out Eloh's self-preservation vote also helped him later on when his read of Eloh became stronger and stronger in the baddie direction, and I'll get into just how arbitrary it was that it went that way and not the opposite.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: MovingPictures07
Scotty
sprityo

Elohcin

I'm orange!

In another peculiarly out-of-character moment for MP, he responds to a full rainbow rankings list from JJJ not commenting on any of the reads but his own, and even then it's not to challenge JJJ's baddie-leaning read of him but just to say that he's happy that he's orange. Pure fluff from a player that again, is not only not known for fluff but is well-known for being a steamroller of hard content. This is clearly because Elohcin was JJJ's only red read and he wanted to draw attention away from it without actually confronting it and risking revealing that they are teammates. You know he was nervous about that possibility because the risk wasn't even that high on Day 1 and he still avoided having a concrete read on Elohcin himself like the plague, and his only comments both referencing her and the ones addressed to her allow for complete ambiguity.

Case in point: his very next post regarding Elohcin.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: How much of this serious?

All of it

Got it, thanks. Just wasn't fully able to discern due to the roleplay (which I'm cool with and enjoying, btw).

What's the point of getting confirmation that a post was serious if you're not going to make any comment regarding the post's content? It would be one thing if MP didn't comment on the post whatsoever, but for him to ask how much of it serious, get confirmation that the entirety of it is serious, but then to not have anything to say about it or any questions or clarifications or anything, looks really, really bad, especially in the context of MP's playstyle which again, normally isn't as fluffy and vague as all of his Eloh-related posts up to this point have been.

MovingPictures07 wrote:a2thezebra
Dom
MacDougall
LoRab
Neil Hartley
Ricochet
Sloonei
S~V~S

birdwithteeth11
DrWilgy
sanmateo

Elohcin
Epignosis
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
motel room
Scotty
sprityo

Here is MP's first rainbow list. With the names in each category (of which there are only three and none of them are red) being in alphabetical order, that basically renders this list pointless which is all the worse factoring in the reluctance to deliver Day 1 content on Eloh. Think about it; this list is literally eight townies, three nulls, and seven ehhh-kinda-suspicious-but-not-really-but-we-shall-sees. That's bad. If MP was a civ trying to genuinely contribute, why would he go to the trouble of making a rainbow list that doesn't offer any more real information than a post merely naming two or three reads at most would? Simple, it's a replication of contribution rather than town-motivated contribution.

I'm sorry I just have to emphasize that so far we've gone through seven posts that either reference Eloh or go out of their way not to reference Eloh, one of them being a fucking rainbow rankings list, and we still know essentially nothing about what MP's read of Eloh was at this point in the game. And no, being one of seven orange reads on Day 1 means approximately jack shit. That could have and would have changed if suspicions of Eloh had decreased after Day 1 rather than increased.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.

Now, as for my vote today (Day 1 ) I can see where scotty can be bad. I am moving my vote there. I don't want to vote BWT if I don't have to. Hate to lose a possible civ position even if it's a quiet one.

You can see it? What about the Scotty case is convincing to you?

I'm not even sure what MP meant by the first question and frankly I don't think he did either. Eloh said that she could see where Scotty could be bad, and he asks her if she can see that? Unless he's referencing something else? The problem here is that MP's indecisiveness is being reflected on his interaction with Eloh here. Instead of asking her about his read of her or her read of him, he asks her about Scotty. The second question makes sense because it's asking for elaboration, but it just makes the first question look even more forced and out of place.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rainbow #2

a2thezebra
Dom
MacDougall
motel room
Sloonei
S~V~S

LoRab
Neil Hartley

birdwithteeth11
DrWilgy
sanmateo

Ricochet
Scotty

Elohcin
Epignosis
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
sprityo

While five categories is much better than three, this reads list still puts each category in alphabetical order (meaning there's really only five actual rankings) and there's still no red reads. It helps that Elohcin is in the bottom five but in a way that makes it worse because MP's apparent growing confidence in his baddie read of Eloh is only reflected in his rainbow rankings lists and not the rest of his content. But where MP really digs his own grave is in his very next post where he makes the mistake of elaborating on nothing. I'll just skip to the juice.

MovingPictures07 wrote: - The five remaining names in my moderate mafia list are not particularly crazy suspicious, but I am not inspired to believe any of them are town at this time based on what they have posted.

If this isn't the nail in the coffin then I don't know what is. How the hell is the bottom five names in your MODERATE mafia list not even "particularly crazy suspicious"? First of all, what a hilarious phrase. Not. Particularly. Crazy. Suspicious. Tell me MP, what does "not particularly crazy suspicious" mean exactly? Are those five names not particularly crazy suspicious because they're just plain crazy suspicious without the particularly? Are they not particularly crazy suspicious because none of them are crazy to the best of our knowledge? Are they not particularly crazy suspicious because all of them are particularly crazy yet none of them are suspicious?

My point is that MP is saying nothing by saying everything, and this is his prime strategy as a baddie. When you're flooded with his content in any game you're going to get a lot of concrete (hard reads) and a lot of ambiguity (softer and/or less consistent reads) but what you're not going to get - unless he's bad - is fake content. That's what his first two rainbow rankings posts are and he just illustrated as much himself. It would be like if I did a rainbow rankings list with just two categories: strong town reads and slight town reads. No mafia reads, no neutral reads, no null reads. Just strong town and light town. I could rank them all in order most town to least town, but they're all town reads, so it wouldn't mean shit. But in reality what MP did here is even worse than the scenario I just described, because MP only ranked the different sections of his first two lists by fucking alphabetical order. All of this could have been redeemed if MP delivered some hard scum reads, or at least left it open for others to assume that his bottom reads were his hard scum reads, but he had to go and clarify that not even his bottom reads he found particularly crazy suspicious. That means that someone at the time of the second rainbow list could have asked him who he would most likely to vote for, and if he had answered them that would've been more of a real contribution than his two rainbow lists combined.

And just to keep things from being misunderstood, I do believe MP is contributing. I just don't think it's civ-minded contribution. I think he's bad.

For the record, my top town read (excluding J of course) is still Dom.

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:MovingPictures07

Why?

His interactions with Elohcin look the worst out of anyone, all of his responses to those who have voiced suspicion at ANY point in the game have been weak, and after the GTH reads he's probably the most likely player to have targeted JJJ.

Could you outline this. This was not the impression I had based on memory.

I'm not even fully caught up yet and I'm about to pass out. I will later.

Thank you.

No problem.

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Also, if the deadline was in five minutes who would you vote for and why? Would it be insertnamehere or someone else?

I'd be totally overwhelmed and under-prepared, so I'd probably panic and default to INH or whichever of the two main bandwagons I prefer.

But right now there's only one "bandwagon" that being DrWilgy. Would you vote for him then?

Maybe. 50% of that bandwagon is confirmed town.

Confirmed town claiming the target of their vote is confirmed scum no less. But I'd like to know if there's going to be any public substantiation behind that claim before I can draw my own conclusions about it.

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Also, if the deadline was in five minutes who would you vote for and why? Would it be insertnamehere or someone else?

I'd be totally overwhelmed and under-prepared, so I'd probably panic and default to INH or whichever of the two main bandwagons I prefer.

But right now there's only one "bandwagon" that being DrWilgy. Would you vote for him then?

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:MovingPictures07

Why?

His interactions with Elohcin look the worst out of anyone, all of his responses to those who have voiced suspicion at ANY point in the game have been weak, and after the GTH reads he's probably the most likely player to have targeted JJJ.

Could you outline this. This was not the impression I had based on memory.

I'm not even fully caught up yet and I'm about to pass out. I will later.

Also, if the deadline was in five minutes who would you vote for and why? Would it be insertnamehere or someone else?

Sloonei what do you think we should make of the Night 3 result?

Sloonei wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:MovingPictures07

Why?

His interactions with Elohcin look the worst out of anyone, all of his responses to those who have voiced suspicion at ANY point in the game have been weak, and after the GTH reads he's probably the most likely player to have targeted JJJ.

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I ain't reading shit tonight, but if anyone's got questions for me I'm all ears until I pass out in a drunken stupor in an hour or two.

What's your gut read of Dom?

Indiglo?

I think Dom's good. He's just taking a tight lipped approach, is all.

Indi is I dunno. Gun to head, I'll call her scum. There has been frustration in her response to the conversation around her, but I could go either way on that. If she's town and came in to pre-existing suspicion, bummer. But if she's scum then that's an even bigger bummer, and I think she'd have even more cause for frustration. I'll need to do more digging on her before I can offer a confident read.

This is pretty much where I am with Indi, only gun to head I would call her town.

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Dom's taking a very minimalist approach to this game.

Not that this is a bad thing-- but I'm just curious why you think this.

You must be aware to some extent that your approach this game is narrower in focus than average. What happened to your suspicion of MP?

Sloonei wrote:I ain't reading shit tonight, but if anyone's got questions for me I'm all ears until I pass out in a drunken stupor in an hour or two.

Where are you currently on Mac, motel room, and MP?

MacDougall wrote:I'm not seeing angry civ Zebra reactions either. I am seeing Zebrad.

You're seeing what you always see which is what you want to see, not what is visible.

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:JJJ I think it's safe to say that Mac reads me as bad.

linki - Nope. I go by what pings me, not how everything fits together. Call me kooky call me crazy but I just like to point out what stinks.

That's not how we solve puzzles, you kook. That's how we hang shit and see what sticks.

Speak for yourself. I never said I was solving puzzles. "See what sticks" is what I'm all about, have you never played a game with me before?

linki @ JJJ - Your head is correct.

I still don't like this. Seeing what sticks is scum mentality. And you know I've played many games with you before.

Right, of course I know that, which makes it all the more baffling that you're claiming that the most fundamental aspect of my playstyle is not only alignment-indicative, but indicative of me being bad. Do you really think I'm going to buy that? Heck I've even stated word-for-word before multiple times that seeing what sticks is literally my prime strategy. You are absolutely full of shit, good sir.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

I feel the same way. I don't like being WaffleJimmyJay.

This ain't Waffle House boi

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I find it interesting that you GTH read me town Jimmy since not so long ago I was a dark orange skittle.

Consistency can fuck itself. I don't care.

It should be noted though that the rainbow list was the result of extensive analysis -- head stuff.

GTH reads are all about gut stuff. Sometimes there are differences.

In your experience, which is more reliable for you - head stuff or gut stuff?

Historically probably head stuff. Gut stuff has made a resurgence in recent memory -- I used to ignore it completely and that's no longer true. But I still probably do better with the head stuff.

Therefore, MP is bad.

I wish my head was that good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I find it interesting that you GTH read me town Jimmy since not so long ago I was a dark orange skittle.

Consistency can fuck itself. I don't care.

It should be noted though that the rainbow list was the result of extensive analysis -- head stuff.

GTH reads are all about gut stuff. Sometimes there are differences.

In your experience, which is more reliable for you - head stuff or gut stuff?

Historically probably head stuff. Gut stuff has made a resurgence in recent memory -- I used to ignore it completely and that's no longer true. But I still probably do better with the head stuff.

Therefore, MP is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I find it interesting that you GTH read me town Jimmy since not so long ago I was a dark orange skittle.

Consistency can fuck itself. I don't care.

It should be noted though that the rainbow list was the result of extensive analysis -- head stuff.

GTH reads are all about gut stuff. Sometimes there are differences.

In your experience, which is more reliable for you - head stuff or gut stuff?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We all may remember the continuing trend that He Who Names The Most GTH Town Reads is more likely to be bad.

Technically I'm tied for that award this time, but I'm still looking at you motel room. :P

On the other hand, if we all remember that continuing trend as you say we do, those of us that are bad can take advantage of it.

Looking at you MP. (though I'm the Most Scum Reads actually)

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:JJJ I think it's safe to say that Mac reads me as bad.

linki - Nope. I go by what pings me, not how everything fits together. Call me kooky call me crazy but I just like to point out what stinks.

That's not how we solve puzzles, you kook. That's how we hang shit and see what sticks.

Speak for yourself. I never said I was solving puzzles. "See what sticks" is what I'm all about, have you never played a game with me before?

linki @ JJJ - Your head is correct.

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:JJJ I think it's safe to say that Mac reads me as bad.

linki - Nope. I go by what pings me, not how everything fits together. Call me kooky call me crazy but I just like to point out what stinks.

That's not how we solve puzzles, you kook. That's how we hang shit and see what sticks.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:You sucks.

Either I fooled you for a while or you're wrong about me now, either way I don't suck mate.

I swear I didn't make that post. I don't recall making that post at all. Unless I did it unconsciously.

K whatevs

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My head and my gut are locked in a violent conflict over MP.

Use your head, whichever way it leans.

MacDougall wrote:You sucks.

Either I fooled you for a while or you're wrong about me now, either way I don't suck mate.

JJJ I think it's safe to say that Mac reads me as bad.

linki - Nope. I go by what pings me, not how everything fits together. Call me kooky call me crazy but I just like to point out what stinks.

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:linki - Because you're being closely monitored now.

This is a game of mafia, we're all being closely monitored. Changing my opinion of you to scum is because I "can't afford to be unpredictable" according to you. You have LoRab high in your rainbow list so I must have bussed Elo in the dying moments of the Day, according to you.

To put an end to the questions, I think you're full of shit.

Regarding the underlined, that simply isn't true. Even for the players that dig deep for every possible clue with both the dead and living players, there's still varying degrees as to how closely someone is monitored based on how suspicious they seem. You are definitely more suspicious to me now than you were before, and you're aware of that. That's what your OMGUS is about. I called out your shit and your response is to say I'm full of shit. I also like that you present a possibility (italicized) concerning your scum-motivated actions that I didn't even suggest, but one that is worthy of consideration. You're doing my job for me!

Also, me being stubborn makes me bad? LMAO

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Zebra appeared to have an extremely solid town read on me. I mean she made this post ffs.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP if you are voting for me for shits and giggles or to see a reaction from me then posting it kind of nullifies any pointed post I could make. Yet again you are bad in a game I am in.

Ricochet's "policy lynch" is based on the fact that I policy night killed him in the previous game. That won't be happening here by virtue of the fact that I do not have the power of night kills.

Glorfindel is probably also voting for me because I night killed him last game.

This is civ Mac if I know the slightest thing about him.

And apparently the person I voted for flipping Mafia is a good reason for that to change and indeed has nothing to do with me changing my read of her.

LOL BZZZ LOL

That was fairly early on Day 1. JJJ just flip-flopped on MP twice in the past two hours. I can change my mind whenever I feel it needs changing.

linki - Because you're being closely monitored now.

That was one of a slew of posts that indicated a civ read of me and you know that. You are being extremely disingenuous. You would have been far better off just admitting you got slighted by my scum read but you tried to justify it. That's what makes you bad.

Where did I say or imply that it was the only post where I expressed a civ read of you? That's your invention. My point was that even if changing my mind over a short period of time was a bad thing, I don't even meet the short period of time standard if we're going by the post you quoted.

The irony of Mac's BZZZZing is that he'd probably have reverted back to his town read of me if I hadn't have scum read him. His reads are always emotionally-based.

MacDougall wrote:Zebra appeared to have an extremely solid town read on me. I mean she made this post ffs.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP if you are voting for me for shits and giggles or to see a reaction from me then posting it kind of nullifies any pointed post I could make. Yet again you are bad in a game I am in.

Ricochet's "policy lynch" is based on the fact that I policy night killed him in the previous game. That won't be happening here by virtue of the fact that I do not have the power of night kills.

Glorfindel is probably also voting for me because I night killed him last game.

This is civ Mac if I know the slightest thing about him.

And apparently the person I voted for flipping Mafia is a good reason for that to change and indeed has nothing to do with me changing my read of her.

LOL BZZZ LOL

That was fairly early on Day 1. JJJ just flip-flopped on MP twice in the past two hours. I can change my mind whenever I feel it needs changing.

linki - Because you're being closely monitored now.

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

A2THEZEBRA
INSERTNAMEHERE

scum
scum

I knew you'd OMGUS.

That's rich.

If you actually think I OMGUS'd you when that LoRab vote exists you're delusional.

linki @ motel - That you're bad? Duh?

How did you know I would decide you were scum?

Because that would be a predictable scum response to my read of you, and you can't afford to be unpredictable right now.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

A2THEZEBRA
INSERTNAMEHERE

scum
scum

I knew you'd OMGUS.

That's rich.

If you actually think I OMGUS'd you when that LoRab vote exists you're delusional.

linki @ motel - That you're bad? Duh?

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

A2THEZEBRA
INSERTNAMEHERE

scum
scum

I knew you'd OMGUS.