The Syndicate

Superb game, Epi. Good job town and, uh, better luck next time baddies!

Golden wrote:Also, Zebra 1.0 is correct, he was lynched as Gurney Halleck

Who?

MacDougall wrote:So like. FZ is getting lynched tomorrow then?

Seriously though, I feel sorry for scum this game. We are DESTROYING you poor folks.

Turnip Head wrote:This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum.

Damn Turnip, you weren't that bad.

EuheheheahahahahahahahahahaMUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MacDougall wrote:Zebs I don't recall seeing a change of heart on your Elo scum read until this game. What gives?

meh

And I'm a tunneler too so it's all good, Matt.

Matt F wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:FZ - Well duh you're on there

You think bea, Turnip, and Zeebs are on the up and up?
I don't know about Bea. If SVS is good, I want to trust her on Bea, even though she's wrong about me.
I think TH is a better player than just saving all his baddie team so obviously.
Zebra, I started out thinking she was okay, then went to bad, and back to good lately. I don't really know why I've gone back and forth with her, but at the moment, that's how I'm feeling.

Ask me again in two hours
Per the underline. In the recent games I've been playing, players always say stuff like "Why would they so blatantly defend so and so?" My feeling on the matter, is that blatantly defending your teammates is the new smart move to make, because nobody will think you did.

But that isn't just it. Turnip's recent comments like "Maybe it'll just be best for the game if I die" and such does not say civvie to me.

Agreed. I'm voting Turnip Head.

FZ. wrote: What's up with the "?????"?
I explained why I DGAF. I can't be bothered by players who sign up but don't play.

Another reason why "?????" is because it messes with your ratio. All four of the other players including myself had a 9 TOWN / 4 SCUM ratio, so it's interesting to see that you are an exception for breaking the rules twice. I don't mind/care that you did, it's just interesting to observe that anomaly.

FZ. wrote: Turnip Head - SCUM

9 TOWN / 4 SCUM

Wow, I don't agree with any of Matt's baddie reads[/quote]
Then despite seeing Turnip Head as indy, you see him as town-aligned then?

FZ. wrote: I don't think Nana banana should have been on the list. Someone who isn't playing does nothing to the game. If baddies win because no one lynched the absent player, that's not a win in my opinion. If he's civ, then there's not point talking about him. Either way, it's a waste of time.

But who said Banana is bad?

I could not disagree more. Hearing what people have to say about Banana could effect how they are perceived, in addition to Banana himself. See this isn't just to tally the general consensus, it's also to gauge reactions. Your refusal to say "good" or "bad" with Banana may be telling later on, as well as the rest of us who gave our read of him. Besides, even if I was to agree that inactive players should be left out, where would I draw the line? Luke has come dangerously close to that label until recently.

Matt F wrote:Lol

Why do you think I'm bad? Cuz I keep twirling my mustache?

To me it seems that you're trying to imitate what you normally do, and you don't even seem convinced by your own arguments half the time. I sense you is a bad'n.

a2thezebra - ME
bea - TOWN
Elohcin - TOWN
FZ - TOWN
Golden - TOWN
Luke11646 - SCUM
MacDougall - TOWN
Matt F - SCUM
NANANANANANA_BANANA - TOWN
nijuukyugou - SCUM
Sorsha - TOWN
S~V~S - TOWN
TheFloyd73 - TOWN
Turnip Head - SCUM

9 TOWN / 4 SCUM

FZ.:

a2thezebra - TOWN
bea - TOWN
Elohcin - TOWN
FZ - TOWN (won't count in final ratio)
Golden - TOWN
Luke11646 - SCUM
MacDougall - SCUM
Matt F - TOWN
NANANANANANA_BANANA - DON'T CARE (????)
nijuukyugou - SCUM
Sorsha - TOWN
S~V~S - TOWN
TheFloyd73 - TOWN
Turnip Head - INDEPENDENT

8 TOWN / 3 SCUM / 1 INDY / 1 DGAF

Sorsha:

a2thezebra - TOWN
bea - SCUM
Elohcin - TOWN
FZ - TOWN
Golden - TOWN
Luke11646 - TOWN
MacDougall - TOWN
Matt F - TOWN
NANANANANANA_BANANA - SCUM
nijuukyugou - TOWN
Sorsha - HER
S~V~S - SCUM
TheFloyd73 - TOWN
Turnip Head - SCUM

9 TOWN / 4 SCUM

Matt F:

a2thezebra - SCUM
bea - SCUM
Elohcin - TOWN
FZ - SCUM
Golden - TOWN
Luke11646 - TOWN
MacDougall - TOWN
Matt F - BEST THEORIST EVER
NANANANANANA_BANANA - TOWN
nijuukyugou - TOWN
Sorsha - TOWN
S~V~S - TOWN (but wrong)
TheFloyd73 - TOWN
Turnip Head - SCUM

9 TOWN / 4 SCUM

Turnip Head:

a2thezebra - TOWN
bea - TOWN
Elohcin - TOWN
FZ - TOWN
Golden - SCUM
Luke11646 - SCUM
MacDougall - TOWN
Matt F - TOWN
NANANANANANA_BANANA - TOWN
nijuukyugou - SCUM
Sorsha - TOWN
S~V~S - TOWN
TheFloyd73 - SCUM
Turnip Head - FAIL

9 TOWN / 4 SCUM

Matt F wrote:Zebra!! I just realized you listed me as bad.

Really? I thought you knew.

Matt F wrote:When I'm a civvie, I tend to think everyone suspecting me as baddie. One of my flaws.

There is more of a consensus than I expected.

Turnip Head - III and a Half (thanks to FZ saying "Indy"...)
Luke11646 - III
nijuukyugou - III
bea - II
a2thezebra - I
FZ - I
Golden - I
MacDougall - I
Matt F - I
NANANANANANA_BANANA - I (as well as a "Don't care" from FZ...)
S~V~S - I
TheFloyd73 - I
Elohcin - 0
Sorsha - 0

Matt F wrote:So what do we do now?

I'm currently ranking who got the most to least "bad" votes and whatnot.

Well, that's that. Compiling the results...

a2thezebra wrote:S~V~S

TheFloyd73

Turnip Head

GOOD

GOOD

BAD

S~V~S

TheFloyd73

Turnip Head

a2thezebra wrote:NANANANANANA_BANANA

nijuukyugou

Sorsha

GOOD

BAD

GOOD

NANANANANANA_BANANA

nijuukyugou

Sorsha

a2thezebra wrote:Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

GOOD

BAD

GOOD

BAD

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

Join us then Sorsha!

ME

GOOD

GOOD

GOOD

a2thezebra

bea

Elohcin

FZ

I would be the last person to forget Golden.

linki - Ok!

Unless you take longer than five minutes of course.

Let me know when you're ready FZ and I'll start.

FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It can.
I'm here. Just reminds me of something we came up with on my original site. Those who were insisting on it turned out to be the baddies...

I was only inspired to do it from JJJ's suggestions of it in the Talking Heads game.

Okie dokie. One minute and a half and counting.

I was waiting for a fourth person to say yes but perhaps I waited too long. We shall see.

But it only works if a decent amount of people participate, which isn't looking like the case at the moment.

It can.

I'm most likely not going to be available for the lynch, so I'll have to vote early.

I'll be doing it myself as well of course.

I'll post something like

PLAYER A

PLAYER B

PLAYER C

PLAYER D

and everyone playing has to immediately respond with either GOOD or BAD, you can't say NEUTRAL or any equivalent to it.

Okay, is everyone ready?

If four or more are online at the moment we should do a gun-to-head reads run.

Gun-to-head reads anyone? Obviously not now since everyone is asleep.

What are your current thoughts on Blooper and Luke, Eloh?

Day 1, niju votes for me (the most overtly disingenuous vote of my 1.0 mislynch in hindsight) despite stating before that she was suspicious of those jumping on the very same bandwagon.

nijuukyugou wrote:Whew; I thought I had a lot of catch-up to do, but I had a blessedly short two pages. Commentary on what I've read and general thoughts:

1) I don't care much for policy lynches except for their amusement factor at times (as in, some of the reasons people use amuse me, but the voting itself isn't helpful for mafia-hunting).
2) It's weird to say this as a low-poster myself, but I don't like voting for people who are outspoken on Day 1, and would like to look at people avoiding posting in the thread. I find voting outspoken weirdos on Day 1 encourages baddies to keep low and quiet for half the game, only to screw the civs over behind the scenes for days. I'll be happy to vote an outspoken, contributing weirdo later with more evidence
3) I find none of the "major pings" people are having to be much of anything to go off of so far.
I agree with BR's stance on policy lynches, so there's that.
From what I remember of Zebra's gameplay, her reaction to being accused doesn't ping me and looks pretty normal. I am, however, keeping an eye on who chooses to jump on this "suspicion." It seems too easy.
I agree that while Mac's stated reasons for policy-voting Matt are sound (gauging reactions, starting conversation), I also agree with FZ that the execution of said reasons has not allowed those reasons come to fruition, and has only resulted in our discussing policy lynches in general and not much baddie hunting.

Damn! I always underestimate how long these posts take to write! I have to shower and get ready for trivia, but I figured I'd at least share my thoughts so far, as incoherent/incomplete as they may be. As far as voting, I'll likely either vote someone jumping on a tenuous suspicion without contributing to it with their thoughts, or someone who I believe is hiding in the shadows for far too long by tomorrow. I'll attempt to keep up via phone and whatnot.

Spoiler: show

nijuukyugou wrote:More thoughts.

I'm torn, frankly. I said before that I believed Zebra's reaction to be genuine and didn't agree with the suspicion, but I liked Golden's long post regarding both the reasons for going after an overreactor, and also reiterating the specific reasons why Zebra should be voted. As Zebra's suspicion of Golden was broken down in the thread, I disagree that Golden would have "no civ reason" to suspect and question Mac's behavior, and think that Golden's initial suspicion of Mac was sound until he was questioned further (in other words, I either see Zebra's suspicion of Golden at this point as very misguided or fabricated). That, to me, was questioning a suspicion as it should be, then changing one's mind based on the responses. People don't do that often enough. So, based on the big post and these thoughts, part of me is inclined to vote Zebra, despite my initial reaction.

BUT.

Too often, I see, as others are saying, one big argument between two people, often civs, that distracts everyone from the baddies' hiding, so the baddies don't even have to discuss any of their teammates. Like FZ, I'm also pinged by Eloh, especially what appeared to me to be an immediate jumping on Zebra's reaction, and her responses to suspicion aren't making me feel any better (except that I totally believe her regarding comfort level in speed/side games, because I'm the same way and feel I can get involved earlier). sig's jumping on the Zebra suspicion pings me in the same way, like a baddie just waiting for something to jump on.

BUT. DAMMIT.

I am suspecting both a suspicious individual, based on a big argument and Day 1 case, and the people "suspecting" her (in quotations depending on what happens today, I suppose), and god that's making my head hurt. I find Golden's points compelling, there's more info to go on for Zebra than for my other suspicions at this point, and I think it will be telling if the lynch goes through in many ways. I've literally got to run (while the sun's still out ), and I don't want to agonize over this choice for any longer. Voting Zebra.

She addresses the inconsistency in her vote post, but it's quite elaborate and comes off as convoluted and perhaps even rehearsed.

On Day 2, she attempts to vote for Eloh in a post that comes off as even more staged, but whoever the vote-changer person is took Eloh off the poll that day. So she votes sig.

Spoiler: show

FZ just recently made light of how bizarre this vote seems when up against the other voters of sig in the first two days who wound up dead. On it's own, I don't think it's that much of a ping and could fairly easily be chalked up to coincidence, but in the greater context of niju's ISO it's a lot more damning of her alignment to me.

Spoiler: show

All I have to say about the post above is, how convenient. The rest of her ISO that I would consider suspicious has also already been covered by FZ. It's not as much content as I would like but right now (along with Luke) it seems like the most agreeable lynch.

Matt F wrote:I know this is going to sound crazy guys, but believe it or not, I have actually used my computer, eaten food, AND watched TV at the same time.

Right, but have you ever felt obligated to?

What are your current reads? Like all of them?

I see I can't vote Golden today, bummer.

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