The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:41 am I had a whole petition typed up, but no. Nope. Not even worth it. GG then.

what are you talking about? yesterday you begged us to lynch sig and nijuu before you so you could be "alive" to win with town.

But the C is far away from the 2, that typo made me laugh so much I'm sorry <3

mayhaps [mention]Marmot[/mention] will take pity on our souls and end day earlier if we've all parked on sig?

or do we have to do nijuu first too? I mean, I'm down for that too.

if sig is town, can we lynch speedchuck next?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:28 am Btw

What do you mean Sloonei was not KC?

My world is shattered forever.

Who is KC? You mean KFC?

There is the possibility mafia sent a kill and someone couldn't be killed as well.

but yeah, I am reading you like Pirates and your interactions with Jay/Wilgy/Eloh and voting patterns don't help. You could convince me otherwise, but you didn't even try to explain anything.

I'm going to sleep. Good luck.

well now I just feel bad. if you're town, that's a bad way to end it and if you're scum, that's also a bad way to end it.

cBob was hammered by Sloonei every day of his game days and he didn't react like that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:05 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:39 pm And/or the last 8 hours of Day 4 because shit happens.
what's your opinion on speedchuck?
Reading him as civ since the dawn of civilization.
why?
Well for starters the CFD on him that almost saved two baddies. And which the third baddie contributed to.

I dont find that alignment indicative. Townies suspected him, Townies suspected Jay. It was a coincidence I'd made a case and parked my ass on Wilgy before bed, then Jay decided to go ANTI WILGY. speed hopped on that. People were playing around and jumping like crazy. It's not surprising. They wanted to clear suspicion off Wilgy, and for a while, it worked. And now you're refusing to see anything bad in speed also because of that event (which was mostly townies and Eloh voting for speed because Eloh was voting for him Day 3 as well and no one was paying it any attention). Why don't you call it all distancing? You can't say the method hasn't been used by this scum team yet.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:56 pm FREAKING COPYING THE WRONG THING AND PIECING TOGETHER POSTS MODS MERGE THIS CRAP

EBWOP

linki: jagged jimmy jay is new to the game
I would feeleth lacking valor but would lynch that gent just the same

Jay replaces MP. Day 2 speed humorous "he'd lynch him". Tongue in cheek maybe, but still.

Jay comes after speed on his LC read. See below how speedcuck reacts to Jay and judge for yourself the authenticity of this:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:15 am LC raised a point in his ISO of/case against speedchuck that caught my attention, and I'd like to expand upon it:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
This post is problematic. It came on Day 1 when the Epi/LC feud was still the most significant dialogue in the thread. I've used colors to separate the important components. Green is meant to be portrayed as a sort of preliminary disclaimer which is qualified (and reversed) by what follows, but its utility in this post is sufficient to cancel out what follows. Consider the climate of the thread at the time -- Long Con and Epignosis are both fielding suspicion from varying sources, with the former taking the majority of it as the day approached its conclusion. speedchuck's post is supportive of Long Con, but with that disclaimer attached its capacity to change the minds of LC voters is minimized. This is evidenced in the responses that followed from Quin and colonialbob at least. The latter even liked speedchuck in that moment and still voted in opposition to the orange-colored text above.

It should be stated that speedchuck qualified himself in more certain terms sans-disclaimer the next day:

Spoiler: show
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

I'd have liked this more had it come before the near-lynch of LC was finalized instead of in the following phase. I'll also add that this proposed problem may be reliant upon LC being a civilian, as the dynamic changes in a mafia-mafia scenario.
Excuse me? I clarified myself much, much earlier. If you really ISO'd me, you'd know that I have at least four five posts after your quoted post (and before EOD) that clarified LC as a townread. Not to mention that, in my opinion, the first post I made there clarifies LC as a townread. The purpose of the 'disclaimer' is to explain why I was voting for him before that post.

This is blatant misrepresentation. Some day 1 posts for you:
Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today
Might be less than random now, IDGAF

Lynch Epi or Nutella of the current options I guess. Jack I want to keep around (this is not the first game I've said this in [Might have been scum in the other game, don't remember]).

I really don't think LC is like this as scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?
As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."
what about the other way around? if epi was bad.
If LC is town and Epi bad?

It's possible. LC would have basically cornered Epi out of luck, but it's more likely than LC being scum I think

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?
As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:03 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:01 pm I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.
I don't get it either

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:30 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:29 pm I don't understand how today's discussion came to a point where our 2 lynch options are LC and Nutella, I haven't seen a case made against LC
Yeah, even Epi would be a better vote than LC.
I have no idea whether misrepresentation is scummy behavior from you, but I don't usually see it.

Very weak ending to that post. I have no idea whether misrepresentation is scummy behavior.... If that was Jack instead of Jay, I'd think a different reaction would have been had to that prod. speedchuck is then linked to other Jay game and he reads them.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:36 pm I think my use of misrepresentation was inspired by Epi.

I spent ten minutes or so tone-reading your mafia game and looking for nebulous similarities. Pleh. I'm not clearing you, but I'd probably give you a light town read.

Also wow I played a really different game in Currents.

Doesn't clear him, but still...gives him a "town read" and lists him in green in his first rainbow list.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:44 pm GTH readlist

speedchuck
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Mesk514
DrWilgy
Quin
Elohcin
Epignosis
insertnamehere
sig
Dom
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
colonialbob

Yellow is in there, but I wouldn't say it's null. Consider yellow to be slightly south of null.
These are GTH, so if you questioned me on them, I'd say 'two-day-old gutread.' But it's a place to start.

linki: One of these days, the vultures that surrounded Epi on early day one will be outed. But today is apparently not that day.

He lists Eloh and Wilgy around that area too, but under him. He calls me, cBob and Jack his biggest scum reads. Eloh was right in the middle, and Wilgy slightly above her.

Spoiler: show

Claims he sucks at scum hunting, yet he managed to case and drive Wilgy lynch and case Eloh and contributed to the Jay lynch, and now claims his cases have been "perfect". But he sucks.

First mention of Eloh here, by agreeing with Jack. Very soft agreement, I admit but still, worth the mention. He pairs Eloh here with DDL and Epi (or LC)

Spoiler: show

He was the only one who agreed that Jack's use of "mislynch" was "odd". Yet he never backed that up or followed up on it like I did. He never tried to tell me maybe I was looking into it too much like cBob and LC and Epi all did. Yet he agreed with it. Weird way to agree and just leave it at that if you did find it odd, no?

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He posted some reads. I found it really crazy he gave reads on everyone except Eloh and DrWilgy who he just wrote GOOD for without any sort of explanations. Like, I don't know if he meant to go back and fill those in before he posted it, but it's very alluring. He read JJJ as EGH and basically said he'd be scared of a JJJ living late into the game cos mafia would kill him if he was Town and got called out for it by Epi and Eloh (already linked that "naughty boy" scolding from her so I won't link it again). All in all, strange.........

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

This doesn't make sense. I mean the concept of a Dom lynch. It was close to being a JJJ lynch, it turned into a battle of Mesk vs Dom. JJJ and Wilgy were on Mesk and Eloh was on speed....

He wasn't going to hop on Mesk with 2 teammates, he wasn't going to hop on lynching Jay if it could be avoided and he wasn't going to lynch himself with Eloh. He went with safe bet D - Dom.

Bad look.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am This strikes me as you are bad and circumstance is robbing you of people to accuse.
What does a civilian Elohcin look like?
I don't know, I think Eloh has enough content that we shouldn't have to rely on a meta read.

Or something like that. I just woke up in the middle of all this.

Here's a soft, non-committed save of Eloh. He butt in here when Epi was defending Eloh and Jay was questioning what a Cov Eloh looked like. Contrary to what he deciphered on Eloh soon after.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:40 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:08 am Quin is the main actor in the death of Lasagna. Should we crucify him for it or treat it like a civ goof?
Quin made a suggestion and 4 people followed. Why demonize Quin instead of the bandwagoners?
Because Quin casually brought it up and was very hands-off during the actual lynch. It didn't feel right as I read through.

It's something to look into today, anyway.

before this he was agreeing with nutella that a Mesk civ flip would cause them to look into Jay/Dom and of course Quin. Sloonei questioned why Quin specifically and speedchuck gives that answer, which is hypocritical of him since he was doing the same thing for Dom only Dom didn't get as many posts. Hypocrites are bad.

Quin voting Mesk didn't feel right? You avoiding the Mesk bandwagon and trying to start Dom didn't feel right either, bud.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm Dragon D. Luffy , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
speedchuck , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.
There aren't any. Once the train started, you weren't here. You never really argued strongly for the lynch in the first place. When JJJ (I think it was) voted for Mesk and you mistook it for just her name, you were curious. When you found out it was a vote, you were like "never mind"
I'd think JJJ's opinion matters even more if it was a vote, right?

So yeah. Lack of posts. Nothing super strongly condemning there, looking back. Do you think you're a fall guy for the lynch? If so, who is pushing that on you hardest?

This is a misrepresentation (I love that word) since Quin actually gave reasons why he thought Mesk was bad. Our timezones are fucked up, you can't blame anyone for not being here to see EOD through.
However, what "reasons" did speed provide for voting for Dom other than weak sauce shit that was basically "well...we already have SO MUCH CONTENT with no lynches, so who cares if we lynch a no poster". I mean seriously. Weak balls.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm I'm going to throw an early vote on JJJ. See what happens.

I may be busy most of today, but I'll try to keep up.

It's Day 4 now. speedchuck, without any previous content or explanation, throws an early vote on JJJ.

What do we make that out to be?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:56 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 pm Moved my vote to speedchuck

what was the best thing i said about colonialbob?
If I remembered that you wouldn't be lynching me. Lazy lack-of-time-to-dig play is not mafia play. It would be scummy if I was trying to push a Cbob lynch right now. I'm not. Catching up

could this be an early Sloonei baddie speed catch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:08 am Jack, having just stolen my ship and marooned me on a desert island with speedchuck as your partner, what is your opinion of him in this game?
Bad.

There's no smoking gun like him shooting Wilgy and then no lynch last game but he feels way too passive. More like Pirates Speed than any other version of Speed.
Agreed. That is my current play because this game is so friggin meaty. You'll find out that it's not alignment indicative in about 2 hours at this rate.

here we are, EoD 4 and Jack starts to make some connections between speedchuck in Pirates and speedchuck here. Note: Jack was killed Night 4. Just saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.
Exactly how I feel about that.
IDK. This is pretty much par for the course for Epi and LC. If it were any other two players, nah.

here's what Jay says about speed at a possible speed lynch. He's coughing up ISOs here, and they're happening pretty fast, but if you click in Jay's post and read it completely, you'll be surprised why he ends up with a leaning Town read on speed at the end of his time. He calls it a mixed bag and then in his final legacy read names speedchuck and malakim as basically "most improved" players. Get the hell out of here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:10 am Moved my vote to Wilgy.

JJJ basically stated that his playstyle is different this game, partly for the same reason as mine. I buy that. I buy it hard.

Wilgy hasn't pinged me, but I agree that I haven't read anything strong from him.

Basically, I'm freaking clueless, which should be as strong an indicator as any that I'm town dammit.

So Jay's coughing up these ISOs with a grain of salt, and his end was foreseeable. speedchuck decides the Wilgy case is a good one and decides to hop on it. I believe I was the first Wilgy voter than night, then dunya went to bed and remained on Wilgy. I have no idea who hopped on and off that night other than being with Jay on the final vote tally.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:12 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:55 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pmKylemii - BAD
Kyle being scum would depend on Mesk/Lasagne being good, I think. But when Kyle pops in and goes after Mesk, I can'thelp but feel that it's opportunistic. And maybe it's my lack of ISOs, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Kyle's style of play thus far. And then most of today's content has been a meta argument with Dunya that nobody else can follow, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also had a light scumread on Kylemii last week. So yeah, Imma call it. Despite what I said in one of these other reads, I'll probably ISO someone before directly agreeing to a lynch, but Kyle is a contender.
Amount of correctness (none) aside don't you think this would be a pretty important theory not to forget about in the case that it's something you truly felt when you wrote it?
Maybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

You people know this. You know I'm more consistent and pushy as scum then town. I may have ruined my whole meta with Pirates mafia, and that's rather upsetting. But Pirates was still me being more pushy and consistent that this game.

Kyle prods him about something substantial here. Indeed, he didn't call Kyle EGH like he did Jay or Jack, he called Kyle BAD. Why didn't he follow up on it? He never mentioned Kyle after that post. He's waiting for people to engage him in his scummy possible bandwagons before pursuing them?

That's a pretty scummy thing to say imo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:21 pm Also feel pretty good about everybody on JJJ before me, although speed gets the least bump up because self-preservation. Still he's not atop my suspect list any longer.

You know what I'm doing with JJJ's ISOs? Totally ignoring them. Way too WIFOMy for me to get any real info.
Fair enough. At 1 AM last night, that's what my vote was for. Though I was glad that it was Jay instead of Wilgy.

Soft defence of Wilgy here, despite saying we wouldn't look into Jay's ISOs he still had to point out his relief he bussed on Jay instead of Wilgy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:09 am I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.
Who would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
That's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.
And things didn't go his way. Votes ended up on Malakim, on me, on Wilgy. Votes ended up back on JJJ. I think it's likely that one of those was scum, and that the momentum went that way before JJJ could stop it. That, combined with the previous day (and my knowledge about my own role) points to malakim.

But you still didn't answer my question.

speed thinks it's likely that one is scum between malakim and Wilgy a few minutes later. How did he reach that theory? He points it towards malakim, setting up for a nice inactive townie lynch. Disgusting.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.
I'm pretty sure I and Sloonei don't agree with your other suspects.

another post where Jack is hard on speed's case. I can definitely see speedchuck panicking here when his last scum win was with a scum Jack. After the night before possible lynch of Jay/speed/Wilgy - I can see him calling in early for a Jack kill to shut him up.

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.
I'm pretty sure I and Sloonei don't agree with your other suspects.
Which proposed suspects do you agree with?
I'm in an interesting spot. Or I guess an uninformed spot. 3 Day weekend, been partying with family and overwatch, and have been mostly keeping up with the game on the phone just to know what's going on. So I have people I want to look at for the next lynch, but none that overlap really.

Nutella Cbob Jack Malakim Quin Kylemii

I strongly feel that two of our scum baddies are in here, and most of these exclude several of the others.

I do find your arguments against suspecting malakim and Jack's arguments against suspecting Cbob to be weak. Assuming motives and BTSC stuff that might not have happened. In case you haven't noticed, we are pretty prone (at least in this game) to switching lynches with or without provocation. I have no idea what percentage of JJJ's lynch was bussing and what wasn't.

Anyway, I've seen cases against the six above that have merit. My goal for Day 4 (hopefully that's tomorrow, I have a lot of time on Mondays) is to link them into groups, order them by suspicion, and test them against JJJ.

Dunya, Sig, and tinfoil LC, DDL, or Eloh might be in with some the six above, but I'll link those when I get to them. One small step at a time.

I know that's very broad, but we just had a scum flip and I've hardly been on since. Reevaluation is in order.

He changes his tune. After it must have been either malakim/Wilgy, he broadens his suspect list again and intentionally slips in Eloh as a mild suspect for later evaluation and completely skips Wilgy. Seems like intentional "let the fire cool down off the shitstorm that happened last night". There's no reason why he doesn't account for Wilgy. Indeed, he's named Wilgy suspicious before.

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all of Day 5 speed tries to push for a malakim lynch. When someone suggests INH (epi), speed says he'd be down for that too. Killing inactives was part of Jay's plan since I strongly believe all of them are townies this time around.

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I have to stop now. I need to go shower. Will cont after shower.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:05 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:39 pm And/or the last 8 hours of Day 4 because shit happens.
what's your opinion on speedchuck?
Reading him as civ since the dawn of civilization.

why?

I'd like to know why nutella over Quin or DDL?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:39 pm And/or the last 8 hours of Day 4 because shit happens.

what's your opinion on speedchuck?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:08 pm I think I have been on point apart from Jack (sorry Jack).
You've been grouping Jack and I together all game. PTSD from Pirates, maybe?

I was wrong about Jack because I looked into "English word usage" a little too heavily, and I won't make that mistake in the future again (I think that's a problem we who speak several languages face: we take things very literally and pay attention to what words we use more than someone who's a native English speaker). Anyway, I never got him lynched (thank goodness), he was night killed so that one is definitely not on me.

But I am sold on you in a way I haven't been on anyone before.

I had a lot of doubts and suspicions about you all game, and I couldn't pin it down, and you've been here but also distant, because you're playing this game differently. You are trying very hard to align yourself as though you're town, but you're not.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:32 pm In conclusion, for me, Eloh is bad based on team interactions. If she's town then I'll have to reevaluate.

I think Dunya is my top town read currently. If Eloh is scum, JJJ's move to Sprit from Eloh on D1 feels like a save. If Eloh is town, it still doesn't feel like a bus.

Dunya p. much town to me.

yesterday I was confirmed p. much town to speed. Today I am trying to lynch innocent him, then 2 inactives and win.

Maybe it's true, you really can't defend much so far in context of what I've given you. But that's the bad thing about 3 revealed scummates....their actions affect you too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:12 pm Defend what? All you've done is point at stuff Eloh said that either didn't mention me or was awkward. That applies to half the players in the game... here let me make an actual response. For funzies.

No, you should look into me instead. Why am I scum?

I'm getting into Jay/speedchuck ISO now before I go into speed's solo ISO. I won't get through all his posts before end of night, but I feel like you're all on track with someone now if you guys decide to pursue it. I will be voting for speedchuck tomorrow, however.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:07 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:47 pm What do you guys think of Dunya's casebuilding? As good as mine? Better? Worse?
Are you asking for a ranking comparison of your case building skills or do you want us to compare specific cases that you've made?
What do you think of Dunya's case on me? We know my two cases were perfect. Results attest to that.
Which two cases? Who are your cases on?
Wilgy and Eloh. Days ago. My cases are not the point. I'm being snarky. What do you think of Dunya's case on me?

What do you think? Can you defend any of it?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm if dunya is mafia she's played in the most effort requiring way possible.

dunya was one of the first supporters of a Jay lynch until the day he actually was lynched during which she actually brought up some points supporting the possibility that we were seeing a civ Jay.

She also was against a Wilgy lynch for a lot of the game because of being under the impression that Wilgy was K2. She changed her position on this when thread discussion came to the conclusion that that was not true.

I don't remember exactly what dunya's position on Elohcin was early game but during and prior to the actual lynch of Eloh she was fairly anti Eloh

It's 100% possible that Dunya is mafia but only if she is playing in the most brazen way possible, involving drastically subverting pre-conceived notions of her own playstyle and supporting her teammates exactly when her other teammates were bussing them.

I'd like to point out I made a case against Jay, but we talk on a daily basis a lot and he had a very difficult exam and wasn't even talking to me like normal so I felt like he deserved to play a day after his exam and not lynch him on the eve of his hardest exam. That felt mean. He didn't ask us all to do that, I did it because I'm weak.

I also made a very early case on Wilgy and only dropped it after K2 missed a night phase which was the same time where Wilgy dropped off the face of the earth. I had reasons why Wilgy was bad and I argued with him about it and voted for him 2 day phases, but I won't lynch a possible K2 candidate.

I made a long case against Eloh which everyone told me I'm tinfoiling cos of Jay's reaction to Elo. That changed when Wilgy flipped, and I made a substantial extra case against her.

I think I have been on point apart from Jack (sorry Jack).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:52 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:18 pm here's my flowchart:

1. night 8 nobody dies
2. lynch sig
2.5. review nijuu

Or

1. night 8 somebody dies
2. lynch nijuu

3. game didn't end? review DDL, Speedchuck, and Quin extensively
but why not dunya

If Dunya is scum, and gets a lynch of me out of the way tomorrow, then she can get the two inactive townies lynched and (possibly) win.

I can't say I have anything else to add other than that. I haven't looked at Dunya that hard.

Nice try.

You're going down.

Wilgy avoid speed like the plague.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:28 pm Dragon D. Luffy -
Civ due to tone and reasoning. I've meta read him as civ the entire game.
Bad due to voting record. DDL had voted for Jack day 2, Bob day 3 (when J3 was a heavily discussed option), If my memory serves was a lead pusher of the Malakim wagon.

DrWilgy -
Civ due to his overall attractiveness.
Bad due to... his overall attractiveness?

dunya -
Civ due to being very vocal. I did not recall seeing anything I directly was opposed to in the moment other than their suspicion on me.
Bad due to interactions with J3.

Elohcin -
Civ due to interactions with J3. While not a negative voting record I so far have had no harsh qualms with the results of her votes.
Bad due to interactions with me that I noticed earlier in the game. Eloh was playing catch up (like someone else who I won't mention) and had called me scummy for a single sentence regarding daisy. It stuck with me and still does.

And I only got through 3 before I have to leave. Sorry Sloonbot, I'll try to finish the rest later. I did find that I putting reason behind Dunya being civ was much harder than the other two, and very much forced. I don't know if this is due to a lack of knowledge or not. I should reflect on this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:20 pm Did more thinking about Sloonei's reason for civ questions. I don't have the time to list em out or explain right now, but the ones I had the hardest time validating as civs were (and in this order) Niju-sig, Dunya, Long Con, Quin. With everyone else, I can see them in a civ light easier.

Wilgy doesn't list speed in his cases. He names Elo town read. Then he also doesn't list speed in his "hardest time validating as civs" list, although he included names like Nijuu-sig (the two inactives), Quin and Long Con who he hadn't all of whom hadn't featured in his 3 player list. The only people that weren't represented at all were Sloonei who asked the question, and speedchuck, Kyle and nutella (who is confirmed town by game mechanics).

speedchuck sticks out again like a sore thumb.

ISOing Wilgy came up with zero relevant game posts for speed.

I swear guys, if I'm wrong about speed, I'll never post a photo of Lizzy again.

Trust me on this, he's the last scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:19 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:05 pm Do we believe Jay would try to actively lynch Eloh?
The case that Jay made on Eloh sucked, and was made to make her look better after his flip. The cases I made on Wilgy and Eloh were solid, and I didn't have a reason to distance in that way. I haven't been on the chopping block.

But they have

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:37 pm Elohcin
Mesk514
JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Kylemii
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
colonialbob
sig
sprityo
Quin
Sloonei
Dom
nutella
Long Con

Eloh's first mention of speed in any capacity was her infamous rainbow. She lists speed up there.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:55 pm Spacedaisy seems way more town than normal.

Quin seems consistent wit his cc123 performance. ???

I have no sig opinion yet
Hey Chuck. I agree with you about daisy and sig. But, what is your intent for for your thoughts on quin here? CC123 is not (at least wasn't when I was in it) a baddie vs. civ game. So how can we find quin's performance from there and here and get anywhere with it?

Okay, as I read further there is a wtf mentality from others cobcerning this statement as well. I still would like an explanation.

basically, she's saying because everyone else is concerned about this, she has to prod him about it as well. Since it's fishy, she has to appear concerned.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:05 pm Is the confusion about speedchuck's comparison between CC123 Quin and Mountain Quin causing people to suspect speedchuck? If so, why?
It was just a weird comment that caught my eye and helped me decide to read hia posts from start to finish.

and yet she doesn't follow up on it..... weird comment, made her read all of his posts from start to finish....and then nada.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay - EGH
JJJ is never scum.
No, but really, I don't know what he'd be like as scum. If he's leading, and leading well, mafia will probably kill him and take care of things for us. If they start killing other leaders and JJJ takes control of the game, wipe him.
This is gross. All it is is an invitation for JJJ-less mafia to burn a lynch. Gross.
Yeah, shoot. Mafia ain't gonna take him out now. They know if they don't, you eventually will! I don't think this was a wise posy to make if you are civ, chuck.

this was hilarious when I was ISOing Eloh, and it's hilarious now. I knew it felt fake, but it reads like humorous scolding from Eloh to speed. "gosh dangit speed, now we won't kill our third temmate Jay cos you did that, derp"

So fake.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:35 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:05 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:03 pm @speedchuck, not that it makes a huge difference, but I am actually a "she". Going through your post now.
I knew that. I say it under your avatar and made note of it. And then it completely slipped past me.

@Quin That's an interesting vote on a player I have trouble reading most of the time. Can I get a summary of why?
I've had success reading her in the past. This doesn't feel like good Eloh.

I don't think she's following through on her cases in the way a civilian would. She'll say that something is suspicious and that'll be the end of it, like she's rejecting any attempt to change her mind. She's done that with me and LC in this game.

I don't believe in her rainbow list because I jdon't see how Lasagne could be one of anybody's top town reads. She mentioned genuinity in her posts, with Lasagne only having one, maybe two posts of workable content. The rest is, as I said before, mainly "I'm here!" posts.
You're right that I have a lot of "I'm here" posts. Y'all talk so much a lot of the time and I'm constantly playing catch-up. I was here from like 6:15-7 and left for an hour and a half and now I'm a page and a half behind. I'm sorry I don't play to your standards. As for my reads... I disagree. I lay put how I feel without harping on it. I'm not going to be accused of tunneling ever again. I've also named several players I find suspicious and gave reasons. and...i participated in gth a bit even though it was after the fact. You need to re-read me dude.

speed prods Quin into why he was voting a lonely "interesting" vote on Eloh. He claims to have "trouble reading her" and asks for a summary on what Quin was seeing. Eloh of course comes in and tries to defend herself.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:52 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:05 pm I'm done listening to Jack and Dunya. You two hit the showers. I want people talking about other people.
Who do you want to talk about?
I don't want to talk about anyone. I want people talking about other people:

"Jack and Dunya are dead. Who gets your vote and why?"
How did they flip?

Speedchuck or Kyle.
I'd do chuck. But Inthink kyle is good.

3.52pm, she'd vote for Chuck, out of no where. I mean however else has she mentioned him.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:54 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:04 pm I wish you'd have lynched me, even! I wouldn't have even been mad. That would have been more useful than a Mesk flip.
eeeeggghhhhhwwwwwgh

If you're defending this, I hate you too.
Oh you voted for Dom.

Please tell me, how you thought a Dom flip would assist us in scumhunting more than any other player.

If you're telling me after 2600 posts itt you didn't have any better leads than Dom, then you're scum.
Screw you mate. I already put my thoughts down on the infolynch stuff earlier. Look for it. I'm not going to be helpful while you're being all self-righteous and crap. Reminds me of stuff I would do as mafia, too. Coming in after a lynch and being all strong-willed, condemning, and self-righteous. you aren't doing yourself any favors with this post train of snit.

As for the "eeeeggghhhhhwwwwwgh" post, I was reacting to your "I wish I had died instead." Bull crap for a few reasons.
1. You, if town, are more useful than mesk right now.
2. You, if town, know your alignment is town and that there was a chance mesk was scum.
3. I've seen townies prop the perspective that "townies don't need much self-preservation." That's stupid. I will call it stupid in every game I see it, and I will be wary of any posts that say, esp. after the fact, "Man, you should have just killed me instead. Because I'm totally town and don't care if I die. riiight? It would have been better because info." Heck, mesk could have said the same thing if we switched to you. "Oh, you shoud have lynched me. I'm town so I don't care if I live, and I wouldn't have been as big a loss. Because I'm totes town. Riiiggghhhttt???"

So yeah, this post is crap and managed to, along with all the posturing you're doing right now, squash my townread on you.
You wanna act all self-righteous and condemning? Here, have some conflict.
(And for the record, if I was here at EOD, I wouldn't have been on Mesk. Probably J3.)
You look very town in this post.
I agree and its throwing me for a loop because he is convincing. I don't know who to be suspicious of.

2 mins later, she takes it back as quickly as she suddenly and without actual explanation, offered it.

also notice speed's parenthesis, where he wasn't there end of day when the Mesk lynch happened and claims he would have been on Jay...a little early distancing there).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

Jay came around on speed in his legacy post. He named Wilgy his top suspect, didn't mention Eloh, and says he was happy with speed and malakim. I find it very likely he'd condemn one, and offer some sort of support for another (he didn't list his team mate among his top town reads cos that would have been too obvious), but he threw him some crumbs. And to not mention both Eloh and speed, would be overkill.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:21 pm I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Hey, let me in on the joke!
I'm pretty sure Epi's post was pro-Sig. Like in cbob's post there, where I was pro-LC and then he voted LC. It's amusing when people say they like a post that defends someone and then votes for the defended.
It is funny. When Elochin understands that epi was defending sig then anyone can understand it. I think this means chuckyboy isn't paying close attention to what he's reading.

This is a Day 6 post and the first "negative" think Eloh has said towards speedchuck despite voting for him on two different occasions (Day 3 and Day 4)!!!! And the funny thing is, she didn't even pay attention to what was being said, it looked like she just wanted to prod him for any reason as a soft distancing, and made an error in which post to quote.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:47 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:42 pm You get on me for a speedy, upchucked rainbow list
Don't blame me for this.
LOL! Thank you. I needed that laugh.

not very substantial, but I'd like to point out she made a similar "jokey" post with DrWilgy because obv she loves her teammates more than the rest of us who don't make her laugh

---

and that concludes Eloh's ISO of speedchuck.

Verdict: more or less guilty on this occasion imo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:51 pm If I was scum, I'd be doing a bang-up job of it
dude I've said it before about dunya, but I think it's true about anyone, if the final baddie is anyone other than sig or nijuu then they've done a really great job.
If I was scum, Wilgy would still be alive.
no he wouldn't. Wilgy's participation levels have gone down considerably and that's saying a lot cos his contributions were not all out there in the first place. Great bussing opportunity. You yourself said you'd do it. Jay did it for TWO teammates. It's very likely.
I said I'd do it if I was going down early. Which has never happened to me. Look at my other scum games. I've never bussed my teammates under normal conditions.

And do you really think that the Wilgy/JJJ/Speedchuck mess on Day 3 was three scum?
Sloonei would slap you silly if he was alive.

linki: ohmigod Dunya

Do we believe Jay would try to actively lynch Eloh? When I built a case on her, they ignored it referencing how Jay tried to actively lynch her and I was tinfoiling hard. Well yeah he did. And yeah she was his scum mate.

Nothing is off limits this game. I can totally see you guys doing a ton of weird shit Day 3 onwards. That's when Jay knew it was going to happen, that's when shit began to hit the fan.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm again, if nijuu/sig are civ, it's definitely speed. in fact, I'm voting speed tomorrow either way. It would be nice to catch the last scum while we have two inactives we didn't kill out of POE.
Pls kill them first. Come on man. I feel like this is my best town game in ages, and I don't want to sit out the end because of your tinfoil.

I also find it incredulous how you never survive as townie. All the examples you linked me to: you got killed early. Not very telling of your "townie" game. Yesterday in pizza, you were killed early. All your mafia games? You're the last mafia member alive.

What happened between Jay/speed, Eloh/speed, Wilgy/speed. That's my current focus rather than his entire ISO. At least before end of night in case he ahem kills me ahem.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:55 pm And Eloh didn't push for Wilgy and Eloh lynch.

Jay did.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:51 pm If I was scum, I'd be doing a bang-up job of it
dude I've said it before about dunya, but I think it's true about anyone, if the final baddie is anyone other than sig or nijuu then they've done a really great job.
If I was scum, Wilgy would still be alive.

no he wouldn't. Wilgy's participation levels have gone down considerably and that's saying a lot cos his contributions were not all out there in the first place. Great bussing opportunity. You yourself said you'd do it. Jay did it for TWO teammates. It's very likely.

again, if nijuu/sig are civ, it's definitely speed. in fact, I'm voting speed tomorrow either way. It would be nice to catch the last scum while we have two inactives we didn't kill out of POE.

another reason why it's not DDL

Day 7 Votes: Eloh on Quin again, speedchuck on the Wilgy bandwagon.

DrWilgy
6
43%
Voters: Kylemii, Quin, speedchuck, Long Con, dunya, Sloonei

Quin
3
21%
Voters: Elohcin, nutella, Dragon D. Luffy

No way were DDL / ELOH teammates both voting Quin while their third teammate was being dragged down.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:51 pm If I was scum, I'd be doing a bang-up job of it

That's what Eloh said.

I think I'm gonna finally do the list of posts that speak scum speedchuck to me post, guys.

Eloh's vote on LC Day 1 almost proves to me there was a vote on nutella by one of her teammates.

Day 1 votes: MP/Jay self vote, Wilgy didn't vote, Eloh went for Long Con who wasn't in the lead, speedchuck went for nutella...who was in the lead.

nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii

Day 2 votes: Wilgy and Jay vote for Jack and Elo votes for Sloonei. --speedchuck is on Jack with JJJ and Wilgy

5
31%
Voters: Kylemii, nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, DrWilgy, speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay

5
31%
Voters: Epignosis, Quin, sprityo, colonialbob, Elohcin
Spacedaisy

Day 3 votes: Jay and Wilgy vote for Mesk. Elo is on her own on speedchuck???? speedchuck is on Dom, with 2 other confirmed townies, Jack and Daisy.

speedchuck
1
6%
Voters: Elohcin

Mesk514
5
29%
Voters: Kylemii, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Quin, Sloonei

Dom
3
18%
Voters: Spacedaisy, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005

Day 4 votes: Wilgy is on Jay, Eloh is on speedchuck again???? speedchuck is on Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay
9
50%
Voters: speedchuck, colonialbob, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, Epignosis, Sloonei, Kylemii

speedchuck
3
17%
Voters: Elohcin, Long Con, malakim2099

Day 5 Votes: Wilgy doesn't vote, Eloh with the majority on malakim. speed is also on mal.

malakim2099
9
60%
Voters: Quin, speedchuck, Long Con, Kylemii, nutella, colonialbob, Epignosis, Elohcin, Dragon D. Luffy

Day 6 Votes: Wilgy on the cBob bandwagon. speedchuck with him. Eloh on the other Quin bandwagon.

colonialbob
8
47%
Voters: Long Con, Sloonei, Kylemii, DrWilgy, Quin, dunya, speedchuck, Epignosis

Quin
4
24%
Voters: nutella, colonialbob, Elohcin, Dragon D. Luffy

Day 7 Votes: Eloh on Quin again, speedchuck on the Wilgy bandwagon.

DrWilgy
6
43%
Voters: Kylemii, Quin, speedchuck, Long Con, dunya, Sloonei

Quin
3
21%
Voters: Elohcin, nutella, Dragon D. Luffy

Day 8 Votes: speed on Eloh.

Guys, if we have an active scum, it's speedchuck. I'll bet a ton of money on it.

MP wasn't playing tbf. Wilgy wasn't around.

I want you to tell me how likely it is for an ACTIVE 4th member to vote with Eloh on a townie that was 2 votes away from being tied with nutella (taking into consideration you voted nutella at the end cos you felt sorry for her).

I have no idea how that ^ happened. lmao. those frigging mention tags are going to be the death of me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:02 pm If Everest is lynched, does its ability still get passed down or is it only if it dies? @Marmot
Lynch = death.
[[mention]Marmot[/mention] Ok thanks for answering, just want to make sure there's no way to mess this up.

because they were going to be lynching townies, there will be implications on end of day voting patterns that will be looked into. I can't see Eloh and scum mate voting for Long Con if scum mate isn't nutella. *shrug* I can see Eloh placing a vote on Long Con and her (active) scum mate trying to finalize the nutella vote. I can also see three inactives not voting at all.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:54 pm What I'd like to know is, how possiblelikely is it that 6 people who voted for nutella on Day 1 were all town?

sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

I'm Town (counting for sprityo)
Jack was town

4 more players alive- speed, LC, Quin and DDL

If we assume nutella was town, and Eloh voted for Long Con, it's more than possible her 4th team mate voted for nutella (if the 4th team mate is an active participant).
I'm confused about this. Why would the final wolf be motivated to vote for either one of Nutella or LC if neither of them is mafia?

your question doesn't make sense. are you saying 3 scum members intentionally sat this lynch out?

Or are you saying 2 of the scum team would have picked the member with the least number of votes to pile on?

If Everest is lynched, does its ability still get passed down or is it only if it dies? [mention]Marmot[/mention]

so basically, we've won the game. lol.

oh shit, that seems a bit unfair tbh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:52 pm I could agree that LC and Quin are very, very likely town from those posts.

BTW we have three lynches left in this game, so long as we have a kill every single night. Come to think of it, if Everest's extra role passes down continually... is it possible for us to lose this game? 1 on 1, town v scum, town will win with the doublevote every time, right?
@Marmot

I thought we already went over that, Everest's role passes onto the next largest mountain but stops being passed down after that.

What I'd like to know is, how possiblelikely is it that 6 people who voted for nutella on Day 1 were all town?

sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy

I'm Town (counting for sprityo)
Jack was town

4 more players alive- speed, LC, Quin and DDL

If we assume nutella was town, and Eloh voted for Long Con, it's more than possible her 4th team mate voted for nutella (if the 4th team mate is an active participant).

I fucked that last spoiler up, sorry. You have to click on it to see important reasons why I think LC is town

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