The Syndicate

we'll get you next time speedchuch/jack

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:39 pm Numerous town players really deserve some accolades for their performances this game, IMO, despite the loss. There was some seriously incredible town play on D1 especially -- LC, Daisy, dunya, and Kyle in particular, though there were many of you all giving a genuine effort. I can say it was really tough for me personally to fabricate content amid all of that, especially being rusty (somehow I haven't been mafia-aligned in forever) and lower on time than I would have liked. I thought we were likely screwed after how much attention (some of it rightfully so) I received on D1 leading to my lynch and having an inactive on our team.

Don't let the game slipping away from you all keep you from seeing what you did right as well, because town looked good at the start of this game.

hell even after the kyle and speedchuck and colonialbob no lynch, there was a point the next day where I saw everyone possibly directed to speedchuck and I thought shit this could still work.

Still I think I made a lot of mistakes that could have resulted in a better result for town, and some other townies felt the same way, so I'm not hating the result cos mafia team deserved the win.

I kind of agree with LongCon fwiw. Giving mafia team the ability to rotate so they can outsmart the no double target rule, but speedchuck placed the kill three or four successive times anyway seems a little imbalanced. I like LongCon's logic where both teams have the rule. It makes it a bit more challenging.

p.s. Daisy, that's ok! I was trying to watch you *but I thought I was tracking you hence my confusion first night*. Also, I fucked up by not watching longcon.

My first mistake was in the role. Sloonei said I'm a watcher and I assumed that was a tracker role. I've never had a "watcher" in a game I've played.

My second mistake was writing in my notes for night 2 to watch Long Con, but then The National happened and a 5 hr drive, and I remembered while standing in the concert hall that I hadn't sent my night action in so I told JJJ over whatsapp if he can log me in to watch speedchuck even though he was in my "suspect list" at that point. No fucking idea why. I had no brain cells then.

So you can all say I singlehandedly lost you the game cos if I'd watched LongCon as intended, we'd have gotten speedchuck and quite possible have won.

Yep, I can retire now from mafia.

Hugs to Kyle for taking my suspicions like a real baller. I've had that sort of irrational suspicion on me countless times and it's annoying as f. Thanks bud!

Well played speedchuck! Well played Jack, nice to a see a replacement really make an effort!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:21 pm Hey quick question is anyone still playing this game?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:17 am I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

Sorry. In retrospect I didnt know your age and Kyle was convincing

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] are you really DDL's son???

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:06 pm I don't think I ever said anything positive about Dr. Wilgy.

What's your question?

You are correct about the Wilgy list; it wasn't you who reacted positively towards it so I apologize for that.

I still don't know what happened Night 1. Even if we assume the other two were non-posters, MP would have sent in the kill for sure no matter what. It would be interesting to know if LongCon was only a second choice or first choice target.

so I have a q for the mods or anyone who might know how things work on here

Can the scum team double target someone who was possibly protected one night? So let's say, a doctor protected Kyle tonight and the scum team tried to kill him. Can they target him immediately the following night again if they choose to do so?

suck* for*

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.
I don't even know what those suspicions are, for fuck's sake, I said this multiple times: I'm still on page 4 or whatever. I've been in here generating reads with every ounce of my being. If you have a beef with me, state it now, and I'll address it however I can, but if my recent efforts haven't moved you, I'm not sure what I can say. Sorry you don't believe me for whatever reason.

Btw [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention] you sucj fr this

Never giving you sympathy ever again

I meant you saw his list as a positive thing because he actually made a list. So you're not unfamiliar with Day 1 scumspects and readings.

I have a question. I don't know if I should ask.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:49 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:44 pm Why did you think MP Quin was either or?
Because of the voting patterns and total disconnect from each other. When one mafia is totally sinking, the others sink him down, not dance ballet around him. Quin and MP aren't beginners in this, they wouldn't condemn themselves so openly and easily.
but they didn't condemn each other that was the entire point, they went out of their way to not condemn each other

I know. The total disconnect is a form of condemnation as well. Are you getting that?
Two scum wouldn't leave any trails behind to question. That is a huge question mark. I don't buy it. At least not with two active participants. If we're talking about 2 non-posters, then it's a different story.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:44 pm Why did you think MP Quin was either or?
Because of the voting patterns and total disconnect from each other. When one mafia is totally sinking, the others sink him down, not dance ballet around him. Quin and MP aren't beginners in this, they wouldn't condemn themselves so openly and easily.

Quin believed MP was his supporter when everyone was dishing accusations his way, then there's MP ISOing him when he's on the chopping block then moving to someone else because he realized Quin doesn't suspect him and in a very tight EOD lynch, he needs every vote. They're both not voting each other off. It can be one but not both. You'll rarely ever see things so easily fall into place so effortlessly; when that happens you're missing some details. Especially when it's such an easy bandwagon without actual hard evidence (like a cop or tracker claim).

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:44 pm Why did you think MP Quin was either or?

Because of the voting patterns and total disconnect from each other. When one mafia is totally sinking, the others sink him down, not dance ballet around him. Quin and MP aren't beginners in this, they wouldn't condemn themselves so openly and easily.

also of importance,

MP's first ever "town" read itt went to sig & Kyle: "Regarding my reads, I’m feeling town on sig and you because I feel at various points your lines of questioning and statements have been indicative of a genuine town perspective. Not sure about anyone else yet."

yeah, he was a weak day 1 third suspect. I thought the cases against him were built "too easily", but they existed, and didn't hold much weight. The way he reacted with MP EOD when we had the three-way tie at first struck me the wrong way, especially since he switched to me so easily because I "pinged" him once, but then I looked at it as a townie saving his ass tbf and something I'd have done. MP flipping scum like I thought only intensified the fact he's town in my eyes. It's kind of like my suspicions towards Daisy, it was either her or MP imo but not both. Some pairings based on interactions (like MP and DDL both being scum...) are harder for me to imagine imo.

wait what. Kyle is DDL's son in rl?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:54 pm Expecting 1 or 1.5 on day one is insane. A 1 would require irrefutable evidence otherwise what's the point of having that part of the scale

why? Why are you so worried to just throw it out there on day 1? Pot stirring. Testing waters. Are you scared to garner a negative reaction? You applauded Wilgy's rainbow reads, so Day 1 reads are not uncommon to you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:24 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:39 pm speedchuck / daisy / newtraditionalist

where would your votes have been yesterday?
Quin or NT

Is NT your current favorite for a lynch?

I know, I just don't see it as a genuine scale. Or at least I don't feel you used it genuinely.

If you game someone a 1 or a 1.5 even, we could talk. 2.5 is waaaay neutral and safe and that was your lowest.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:28 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard

I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC
Didn't like this post at all. A townie has no problem at least naming 1 or 2 suspects. MP couldn't pinpoint one this game as scum. Kyle went and basically said everyone was fine and dandy. Reads too much of "I am giving helpful reads and blending in" without actually offering much. Didn't want to cause any backlash from anyone. I consider that a very big mafia read. Townie's don't give two shits who they piss off because they have nothing to hide.
I already explained that the scale was 1-5. In this post I listed Quin, Daisy, and DDL as suspects.

You made the same mistake here as.... Was it Speedchuck or MP?

I saw that, I saw that as backtracking or covering your arse to make it seem like that. Like the blurb on SpaiceDaisy, that does not read as a "suspect". That reads as who didn't I compliment TOO much and I can get away with naming as a suspect to speedchuck now so it seems like I have a real scumspect list. IMO.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard

I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC
Didn't like this post at all. A townie has no problem at least naming 1 or 2 suspects. MP couldn't pinpoint one this game as scum. Kyle went and basically said everyone was fine and dandy. Reads too much of "I am giving helpful reads and blending in" without actually offering much. Didn't want to cause any backlash from anyone. I consider that a very big mafia read. Townie's don't give two shits who they piss off because they have nothing to hide.

The only player he actually seemed indifferent about was MP. He tells MP your posts don't sway me either way (but gives him a 3 rating). He posts a huge DDL read and then finishes it off with "i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion". The only person he was negative about was Quin.

Has he ever played with long-con before? "He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie." I thought he was relatively new like me, so what is this comment about? How does he think that Long-Con is capable of smoke-screening? Is he a baddie who's just backhandedly complimenting a townie...yeah you read townie to me, but you're an excellent player, so maybe you're scum.

Nah, don't like it. Don't like it at all.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:13 pm having reads is fine

but saying "if i die, do this" puts us both in danger and I'm not really cool with that

It's a legacy read. If I die, I've left town with where my head is at right now. It's what townies do, but I understand if you don't know that...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard

I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC

Didn't like this post at all. A townie has no problem at least naming 1 or 2 suspects. MP couldn't pinpoint one this game as scum. Kyle went and basically said everyone was fine and dandy. Reads too much of "I am giving helpful reads and blending in" without actually offering much. Didn't want to cause any backlash from anyone. I consider that a very big mafia read. Townie's don't give two shits who they piss off because they have nothing to hide.

Gonna have a look at MP+Kyle posts and see how I feel after that, then look at Kyle contributions independently and post anything that catches me off guard.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:07 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:43 pmIf I am killed tonight, please investigate Kylemii more and one of the "inactives", now Jack and NewTraditionalist.
Please don't say things like that. Phrases like that give the mafia social tools to work with

shrug. Those are my reads. I'll say what I think.

Yep, re-read posts and notes. I have good feelings about DDL so I won't let dwindled activity sway me away from that, since we've all been a little guilty of it. He asked some questions I don't think Mafia would have asked, his reactions to speedchuck fake fake claiming was one of WTF DUDE. He openly tried to defend MP to me re: his playstyle when I suspected MP. He has been MP's vocal supporter.

I cannot see an MP/DDL pairing.

here's something DDL said thought that I can copy to reflect someone else: "Quin was focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming an hour ago I'm getting the feeling he was doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies."

Kylemii has been so focused on "date gathering" and appearing like he's doing some serious work with that data (from pestering DDL and others on playstyle and old games and creating accounts to read them and asking them how many years and games they've played) to running a witch hunt on time of votes which was barely used. All that came after people's complaints that he wasn't actually doing or forming productive reads. It's like he's trying to appear to be actively doing townie things, for the sake of appearing townie. He's been filling our heads and wasting some time, I think. It doesn't at all strike me as a real Townie. It still reeks of insincerity to me, I'm sorry. I can't shake it off at all so I'm going to stick with it and persist you're scum.

suspects in order of suspicion as of night 3

kylemii
spankgangsta/jackofhearts
newtraditionalist
dragon d. luffy
speedchuck
daisy
sig
dunya

I have to say, out of the three deciding votes on Quin, I'm feeling the worst about Kylemii again.

sig is good.

DDL's pop in and out is wishy washy, but since I had a strong town read on him before he became slightly inactive, I don't feel a mafia DDL would have played that out as he did.

That leaves Kylemii. There's so much I don't like, going back to my initial Day 1 "bad feelings".

If I am killed tonight, please investigate Kylemii more and one of the "inactives", now Jack and NewTraditionalist.

speedchuck / daisy / newtraditionalist

where would your votes have been yesterday?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:52 pm @Kylemii

Why did you vote for Quin?
The same reason I voted for MP. I suspected they were teammates because of how the day 1 lynch went.

MP was so frazzled during the times he was here I guess I thought he might have made a mistake as big as that, now it kind of seems stupid.

were you not at all moved to change it to a tie between quin and someone who hasn't contributed anything to the game whatsoever?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:04 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:58 pm I don't feel comfortable being part of the apparently easy Quin bandwagon. Sorry to do this, but moving to NewTraditionalist although it's statistically more likely Jack replaced the nonactive scum than the nonactive vanilla townie, I would think.

I do trust sig, but I'm not feeling as great about DDL as I was on the first day. Will try to review my notes.
I don't think it's wise to read into replacement order as a scum tactic. That could be determined in a lot of ways.

I hear what you're saying, but I mean...a scum team of two remaining, with one completely inactive.

Or townies of 7 active.

Which role would a mod more likely rush to replace?

This is assuming either of the inactive players is scum anyway. Seinfeld flashbacks. Hate that.

I don't feel comfortable being part of the apparently easy Quin bandwagon. Sorry to do this, but moving to NewTraditionalist although it's statistically more likely Jack replaced the nonactive scum than the nonactive vanilla townie, I would think.

I do trust sig, but I'm not feeling as great about DDL as I was on the first day. Will try to review my notes.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:33 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:54 pm Baddies are probably dunya, LC, and Daisy, I guess? I wish I had more time to play this cycle. Sorry to let you all down.
Rule of threes, boys.

I'm town, LC is town. Daisy...not sure, but not leaning bad anymore.

I think MP pulled an LC (when he named three townies in Seinfeld). I suspected Frank Costanza for various reasons, and being names as one of three was one reason. You can never be too sure if he included a team mate. If they are two non-posters, then that would explain a lot.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:41 pm A spark of inspiration begs a tinfoil: MP and DDL are teammates. I'll think on it before EoD.

I do not disagree. DDL has been very murky and lurky (I'm not one to talk but I have The National...I will be ever present after this day phase).

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:38 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:21 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:19 pm Why are you trying to lynch a townie?
convince us who's bad. I would like to lynch one of the 2 non-performers if Seinfeld has taught me anything, too.
Not my style. Showing that I'm good comes first. I can't make you come to that conclusion on my own.

tell me how you acted exceptionally good.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:38 pm Reads so far:
Kyle, Wilgy supatown
Would eat my hat if Speed, Sig, DDL, Quin all townies. Generally read that list as bad to good with some no w/w in the middle

speedchuck is a town read for me.

Why do you see him as bad? explain.

how long till end of day?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:19 pm Why are you trying to lynch a townie?

convince us who's bad. I would like to lynch one of the 2 non-performers if Seinfeld has taught me anything, too.

tentative vote on Quin since he was #3 of my suspect list while I catch up.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:32 amKyle: Blah blah dags (Unhelpful imo but I don't know Kyle enough to say if this is alignment indicative.
Hurtful.

agreed. Another dog basher like MP and look how MP flipped.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:45 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:22 pm Ok I'm generally feeling good but Dunya's posts but I'm pinged that she came and started buddying me on my suspicion of MP and repeating the same arguments as me without actually voting for MP herself. Reeks of bandwagoning.
Why? He was my second suspect. Kyle was my first. I made that pretty clear. I voted for Kyle and stuck with Kyle all the way through until I led the vote tally with 3 votes against me suddenly started by MP and Quin and speedchuck, who followed.

Kyle was the only one I voted for, MP was the one my spped vote was locked on at the end.
hang on, are you sure about this?

yes positive, Quin changed his vote to me first, then MP/speedchuck not sure which order. It stood as me with 3 and ther other 2 with two each.

Quin was really suspicious that whole round tbh.

Just seen the vote tally and it looks like I won't be lynched today yet. I'll have more time on Monday to address any specific concerns.

Again, Kyle, I voted for you early on and kept my vote on you, apart for the MP vote which was locked in (I switched back to you but it was past the deadline). I don't have exact time stamps.

I vote MovingPictures today. Especially since LongCon and speedchuck voted for him, who I have town reads on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:24 pm Also kind of agree with Daisy on dunya apologizing for MP vote. Same point I made about chuck.

You agreed with Daisy, but I explained the misinterpretation to Daisy. Did you read my explanation too?

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