The Syndicate

I think ours is 2100m.

Sweden doesn't have mountains really. a few ski slopes but they're so weak.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:43 am With no watchers (or much in the way of offensive and investigative powers in the town at all), mafia should have done the standard HCRealms double tap block+kill on the same target. Dunya's power was secret and the scum lost their but that would have killed Epi.

actually, my power became public as soon as it was activated. But who checks that 1st post every day

I loved Marmot's game, but I do admit there were too many strong Power Roles for Town and made it almost impossible for a scum team to win. It's hard to balance a role madness game, but sometimes you have to give weaker roles or one shot things rather than several shots to everyone (Long Con had 3 powers, Quin had 3 shots, etc), and some roles that can be negative to town to balance the numbers. Also, I found speedchuck's win stipulation a little extreme. I mean, Mesk and malakim got a win from this game (I'm assuming sig didn't and was not simply accidentally written out from the winners post although Jay included him in the PM he sent out) and speedchuck didn't. 3p role is hard, esp one with 0 abilities whatsoever. I would have personally allowed him to win for simply surviving till the end with either faction considering he has no abilities to draw him closer to his win. And speedchuck made a hell of an effort.

I consider Long Con's bus driving save night 1 legit, but Sloonei to stop any lynch, Quin to be unkillable any 3 nights he chooses, Epi to survive first kill on him lynch or NK (and the ability for Chimborazo to borrow that ability?), and me to become immune to all night kills a few too many indestructible roles and makes it probably frustrating for the scum team. Also, Everest's role to be passed down indefinitely, while it never got down to that, but I also considered that too much in Town's favor. The Day 1 no lynch in the event of a tie was also a bit town-favored. Also, this game had masons. Imagine if DDL and Daisy had found each other.

I'm happy we won, I put a lot of effort into this game but I do think the odds were stacked against scum from the get-go so shout out to the scum team for lasting as long as they did tbh.

I honestly wasn't so hot about the theme before the game started, but I got into it. small mountains big mountains space mountain. I love mountains apparently and even though I had to go back to the role list and copy paste every single mountain's name (even my own when people referred to me itt and I was like huh, who the fuck are they talking about). lmao. good times.

[mention]juliets[/mention] thanks for being a great listener and checking up on us!

[mention]Marmot[/mention] thank you for the game! I enjoyed it so much. Thanks for humoring everyone and hosting during a busy time in your life

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:53 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:32 pm Quin only used 1 of his 3 shots? I mean, why

I used it night 1 and since nobody died I thought they targeted me, which meant they couldnt kill me N2. After N3 I looked bad and needed my vote + it was very unlikely I'd be the target.

Oh right! I forgot you lose your vote the next day if you protect yourself. Votes were definitely important this game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:06 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:14 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:08 pm Yay my first Syndicate win! Good job Big Mountains, although I feel bad for Little Mountains for the bad luck.

I feel like I did alright, especially considering how focus on me supatown Sloonei was.

I'm really sorry

It happens. Not upset or anything, although I admit it was a little relief to be lynched and not worry anymore.

I was also a bit relieved to be able to move on from suspecting you. I could not get past it no matter how hard I tried. But mostly I just felt like a big jerk.

I'm glad mafia killed Jack so I didn't harpoon him for using mislynch instead of lynch (and other weird stuff but mostly that)

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:05 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:21 pm I don't want this to sound critical of Marmot in any way becauase it's not. Just an observation I made this game and a note about personal preference. The reason I felt confident Malakim was town was actually this post:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:06 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:05 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

All night kills are automatically janitored.

Oh! Well, that is interesting. Wasn't that way in either Mass Effect or SF, which is why I was surprised. Hmmm.

Yes, many Syndicate games in the past have done this: all nightkills being janitored.

I may reconsider that mechanic in future games, but will continue employing it here.

It wasn't just that he was confused about the nightkill mechanics, but also that he got a response from the host in the thread. It suggested to me that malakim's ignorance of the nightkill mechanics was genuine and that he had no hand in carrying them out, or else Marmot wouldn't have been compelled to respond here. It's a tiny thing, but any host interaction has the potential to reveal information. This one gave me a hint about a player's role that I should not have had.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think that was a big bloop and some people said he could have beeb feigning ignorance. He answered Eloh if the scum team could send in kills as a group or if one person had to.

Did someone say...

Big Bloop?

Ok you are the cutest person on this website

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:33 pm I'm disappointed that my Mastermind Dunya theory was wrong.

I hope you never have to see my scum performance; it's nothing to brag about and everything to try and erase from memory.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:21 pm I don't want this to sound critical of Marmot in any way becauase it's not. Just an observation I made this game and a note about personal preference. The reason I felt confident Malakim was town was actually this post:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:06 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:05 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

All night kills are automatically janitored.

Oh! Well, that is interesting. Wasn't that way in either Mass Effect or SF, which is why I was surprised. Hmmm.

Yes, many Syndicate games in the past have done this: all nightkills being janitored.

I may reconsider that mechanic in future games, but will continue employing it here.

It wasn't just that he was confused about the nightkill mechanics, but also that he got a response from the host in the thread. It suggested to me that malakim's ignorance of the nightkill mechanics was genuine and that he had no hand in carrying them out, or else Marmot wouldn't have been compelled to respond here. It's a tiny thing, but any host interaction has the potential to reveal information. This one gave me a hint about a player's role that I should not have had.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think that was a big bloop and some people said he could have beeb feigning ignorance. He answered Eloh if the scum team could send in kills as a group or if one person had to.

Sloonei dying Night 1 would have changed the entire tempo of the game significantly, and also cBob. cBob may have been alive.

also, I wonder how Epi feels knowing that his wife killed him twice in this game. Remember when you defended her to me?

I wish Malakim had stolen K2s ability instead of Everest on both nights and wrote some kind of note that clears malakim somewhat. At the very least, Kyle would have known what was happening and could have guessed. Malakim may have had a different ending to his short tenure. Hope he comes back.

Watching DDL search for Denali is such a sad story with no happy ending

Quin only used 1 of his 3 shots? I mean, why

Whoa, good job Long Con!

we knew all these things come on, give us the juicy info. or do I have to wait till ungodly hours

5 failed night kills. So I accounted for 2 failed deaths. and one was intentional to "frame" sig. How did sloonei survive the kill? I thought he was Pico Cristóbal Colón and could stop 1 lynch. What was Epi's role?

oh that's right, I subbed in night 2 not night 3. so night 5 I would have been immune.

wait what. how did I survive night 5 I don't think my thing was active then. It activated maybe night 6

I'm surprised I didn't get killed in those 3 nights tbh.

yes, I never got voted once so after 3 days I was safe from NKs.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:00 am I was very desperate after I helped get half the scum team lynched.

Your reads on all players and leaving Wilgy and Eloh blank was so weird man, I'm gonna say it again. Still find it creepy

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:55 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:50 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:49 am I was Matterhorn. I guess you can understand why sprityo got frustrated some of ya'll were voting for him now. :P

No, I don't understand what you mean.

you broke his 4 day no lynch vote streak. We had to go 4 day phases with no votes on us to get NK immunity.

Oh yes, of course... I forgot for a sec there that you replaced him.

Yeah, I intentionally didn't read sprityo's posts because honestly, I am not him and it's not like I had a role that helps gleam info from anything. I went in and started iso'ing people, and Kyle found that suspicious. But I don't want anyone's opinions to cloud my own initially, so I read up and when I felt I had a good general grasp pf things, I went back and read from the start.

I cleared Kyle as soon as I found out Wilgy wasn't K2. Wilgy was my top suspect but when I was trying to figure out who the hell K2 was, it was between him or Kyle in the end. Kyle was my read for K2 but that missed night message confused the hell out of me cos Kyle is literally always online and it just seemed impossible to me he would have missed deadline.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:51 am Sorry if I frustrated you dunya. I definitely want to play another game with you at some point.

right back at ya! I asked juliets if she could check on you after that one post cos I felt guilty and thought I broke speedchuck.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:50 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:49 am I was Matterhorn. I guess you can understand why sprityo got frustrated some of ya'll were voting for him now. :P

No, I don't understand what you mean.

you broke his 4 day no lynch vote streak. We had to go 4 day phases with no votes on us to get NK immunity.

I think he got upset since he was so close and Jay pushed for his lynch over other less inactive people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:50 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:49 am I was Matterhorn. I guess you can understand why sprityo got frustrated some of ya'll were voting for him now. :P

No, I don't understand what you mean.

you broke his 4 day no lynch vote streak. We had to go 4 day phases with no votes on us to get NK immunity.

I was Matterhorn. I guess you can understand why sprityo got frustrated some of ya'll were voting for him now. :P

apart from tunneling on Jack before he died and feeling iffy about speed (who was the 3p tbf), I think I did okay.

speed, what was your win condition?

good game thanks marmot for allowing me to sub in, juliets for listening to my frustrations, and everyone else who put effort into this. Great game, but can't say I'm not relieved it's over.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:33 pm

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I'll be the roundabout
The words will make you out 'n' out
I spend the day your way
Call it marmots driving through the sound and
In and out the valley
The marmots dance and sing
They make the mountains really ring
I spend the day your way
Call it marmots driving through the sound and
In and out the valley
In and around the lake
Marmots come out of the sky and they stand there
One marmot over we'll be there and we'll see you
Ten true summers we'll be there and laughing too
Twenty four before my love you'll see
I'll be there with you
I will remember you
Your silhouette will charge the view
Of distance atmosphere
Call it marmots driving through the sound and
Even in the valley
In and around the lake
Marmots come out of the sky and they stand there
One mile over we'll be there and we'll see you
Ten true summers we'll be there and laughing too
Twenty four marmots my love you'll see
I'll be there with you
Along the drifting cloud
The eagle's searching down on the land
Catching the swirling wind
The marmot sees the rim of the land
The eagle's dancing wings
Create as marmots spin out of hand
Go closer hold the land
Feel partly no more than grains of sand
We stand to lose all time
A thousand marmots by in our hand
Next to your deeper fears
We stand surrounded by a million marmots

Ma ma ma ma marmot

that's so beautiful, why are you a monster

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:50 pm hey mr speedster what's the current status on ur weird death-wish thing

I do not currently wish to die. It would be a waste of a day phase.

so what was the urgency during last lynch?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:34 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 pm I don't call people civ because other people said they're civ. I don't call people scum because other people said they're scum.

I have to see it and feel it for myself.

Nice stab, but you won't convince me. I care more about hard logic than any feeling I get when reading people. Because hard logic is measurable, while gut feeling is very inaccurate. I only use the later when the former fails to solve my problem.

it wasn't a stab, it was an observation of my methods for Kyle. I totally understand why you said what you did now.

So your suspect after nijuu is one of Quin and DDL.

I might disagree if nijuu flips town, I have another theory.

are you keeping your vote on Quin? why is quin more likely than nijuu in your opinion, nutella?

I don't call people civ because other people said they're civ. I don't call people scum because other people said they're scum.

I have to see it and feel it for myself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:50 pm hey mr speedster what's the current status on ur weird death-wish thing

I'd also be interested in this.

The sense of urgency you displayed after I made a case against you has disappeared.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:11 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 pm Is there a reason to believe LC is confirmed civ, outside of Speedchuck's claims?
yes

Is that reason strong?
yes

Can it be faked?
no

This... this I do not get at all. Something outside the thread?

outside the thread? no? I meant I confirmed you civ on my own accord. DDL confirmed you civ because speedchuck said you're civ.

honestly, the 2 I can't place a role for and can't with 100% certainty say are civ are quin and ddl in that order. But I'd go back and ISO them if nijuu flips town (she won't but if).

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:30 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:26 pm 3 questions. Please answer with only "yes" or "no" for each.

Is there a reason to believe LC is confirmed civ, outside of Speedchuck's claims?

Is that reason strong? Can it be faked?

MY answers would be Yes Yes No... but that's due to my subtle hint. I don't think anyone got it.

So I would then say Yes to the first one because I think someone did some convincing vote analysis on Elohcin's Day 1 vote... which would have been some risky bussing indeed. Pretty strong, could be faked.

That someone was me.

Is there a reason to believe LC is confirmed civ, outside of Speedchuck's claims?
yes

Is that reason strong?
yes

Can it be faked?
no

speed may have ulterior motives, but LC is actually town. in both of your scenarios, LC is not town.

so, we have nutella, kyle, LC and since I have seen my role card: me.

leaving ddl and quin

and speed as 3p (if he is 3p and not bluffing)

all roads lead to nijuu

by that theory, place Kyle in your definitely town list.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:23 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:37 am the only unconfirmed person is nijuu and then speed I'd say. I feel great about everyone else.

. . . do you know what 'confirmed' means?

yes, confirmed town by me. CONFIRMED.

confirm
kənˈfəːm/Submit
verb
past tense: confirmed; past participle: confirmed
reinforce someone in (an opinion or feeling).

You guys are so rude to people whose first language isn't English.

I apologize.

apology rejected

jk ;p

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:53 pm Nutella is semi-confirmed and LC is confirmed by Speed assuming Speed is not lieing. That's the only ones I'd call confirmed.

you're confirming LC based on speed, and calling him full on confirmed as opposed to nutella's game mechanically semi-confirmed. why would I trust my enemy's friend?

I think LC is towniest one after me and Kyle but still, your reasons are weirder than mine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:50 am I believe Night 8 was a deliberate non-kill. To make us lynch Sig.

The rest are some combination of inactivity and roles.

If so:

Is it Niju? Did she have a good enough handle on the thread to know and connect that? (I know people were outright stating it, but I don't get the feeling that Niju has kept up with the entire thread.)

she came right in the middle of our discussion and we were heavily incriminating sig out of inactivity or her. I played Seinfeld with her before where she was the last scum and rather inactive all game as well; she's clever in choosing what to do.