The Syndicate

yeah thank for the game @Urist !

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:04 pm Sorry to mafia, I've been mentally unwell recently. That just happens to be when I play my best as town.

Gg! You were awesome. Did you get my n1 ring?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:54 am I don't know why anyone is talking about fruit.

@dunya what took you so long to get on the Scotty!Mafia wagon?

real life, buddy. and host is slow to answer questions but mostly i was busy yesterday.

scotty/doom were never gonna be w/w anyway

scotty has exhibited some serious frustrations at doom's tunnel imo, so unlike osie, i think she was out of scum rage d1.

if she is wolf, shame on me but not buying it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:41 pm This game is on ez mode and I’m feeling pretty confident osie is also bad. NAA is my pick for the other one, but I could very well be wrong

talk to me about osie

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:03 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:29 am Osie, here's my take. I can tell you the mechanic didn't work the way you say it did, because I'm not wolf but still did not receive a fruit message. There are 3 players who haven't posted at all, and screen did not make a fruit post (understandably they may be cleared via other means from earlier in game, but 100% has not referenced a fruit).
There does exist two niche mechanical ways this might be the case (really just one, since I know that a third way does not apply, and one of those ways involves Urist being relatively deceitful) but I'mma wait in part for other confirms and Scotty's flip, mainly because I think it is extremely unlikely due to Scotty's behaviour.

Jack, Martin, Marmot, Moonwink, Wilgy, and Srceenplay are fully confirmed. (Osie method)

I am pseudo-confirmed twice over. Doom is pseudo-confirmed twice over. (Osie method, Moonwink method)

I did miss a bit on individual confirms: Porscha and dunya are pseudo-confirmed once over. (Moonwink method) NAA is pseudo-confirmed once over. (By claim)

With consideration of subjective believability, that puts me at this for an ordered PoE:

Scotty
Creature/Porscha
NAA
dunya
(Doom)

There's enough confirmed town that even if that full PoE applies, it doesn't matter, and if any of Creature/Doom/dunya/NAA properly confirms, that narrows it down further. Doom is probably just town here anyways, and I doubt that scum Doom or scum dunya wins in XyLO at this point anyways.

There's still the possibility of an extra kill occurring, which makes things tighter.

However, if Creature, dunya, and/or NAA use the Osie-confirm (which even if Porscha is telling the truth still would apply, even in the awkward corner case), that lowers the PoE by one for each confirm.

And it's arguably bad for scum to kill outside of the fully confirmed list.

We'll see.

i actually regret going ahead with it now. i should have been skeptical when host allowed it.

there's no way the host allows something like this to be okay in his game, especially after a stern warning of us not giving letters of moonwink's message to us, if there's no loophole around it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:16 am I gave you a powerful ring night 2 because I was townreading you day 2.

can you elaborate why you were townreading osie day 2?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:26 am I don't like osie putting doom in poe as if she isn't pretty diddly darn confirmed at this point.

interesting opinion

i don't disagree, doom has been my top town read all game,

but how did you reach that conclusion? are you up to date on the game?

im voting scotty [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

now i read up

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:44 amyellow apples

btw before anyone comes for my neck, i checked with the host this was allowed

@osieorb18 >.>

(sorry guys, no ate or excuses but i have the busiest time in my career ever atm with 25 deeds needing to be prepared and finalized with plans at work in one go and i have been assigned all these clients who doesn't speak french and it's been......crazy trying to finalize plans with people who can't decide what they want woof)

catching up now.

yellow apples

i think it pays off

@NotAnAxehole

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am So I suppose this is as good of a time as any for me to ask.

'anyone got a 28 page tldr?'

HK was scum. he also has a not so huge iso if you wanna have a skim and tell me what things stand out (town or scum leans)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:29 am dunno, feel wilgy has not done anything to town tell. what are his reads?

people claim reading wilgy is super hard but after modding and speccing so many t!wilgy games, i can confidently say that t!wilgy has opinions and ready and just pushes them in a way that is unique to everyone else. he's often very perceptive, too and can have strong opinions but doesn't push the thread in a leadership style because people don't take his style as an aggressive push. doesn't mean he's not aggressively pushing, but doing it in a manner that is more of a team-player than a dictator lol.

anyway, 9 wilgy posts over three day phases and he has 0 reads on anyone. he voted srceen for ?? reasons then moved to joh to create a 4-way tie. he called out scotty specifically in his second post to ask him for his town reads, not sure why scotty specifically was singled out and i will check scotty iso to see if he ever responded (i find people find less motivation to respond to pings from their teammates vs others in the game so it could be ~something~ or nothing at all).

wilgy can certainly be wolf here anyway.

@DrWilgy amiwrong?
Nope.

I've like been spot reading a page at a time trying to get any bearing on this game, then I don't absorb anything and get side tracked.

#ifeelthat

so you, andres, porscha are the mia-ers and osie is my personal scum read

all three of those have mildly small isos.

can you pick one and tell me what things you feel (preferably between porscha and osie)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:44 am Yeah, Marmot hammered. @Urist

i dont see hammer enabled?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:35 pm @Scotty who's town in your eyes.
Me.
at page 7 in reread but still doom as top town.
Getting good vibes from srceen, osie, nook as I read on.
Dunya also seems good but only a lean. Need to develop those more cuz I’m all in the “feels good” category

well scotty replied and reminded me of this awful take on me :P such a pocket ala HK. but i dunno if scotty and HK teammates treat me the same when mac (town) pushes for a yeet on me --- i'd expect more mafia to bite actually.

actually i need to see scotty/HK interaction
andres/HK interaction

and who was humoring mac's wolf read on me apart from jack?

dunno, feel wilgy has not done anything to town tell. what are his reads?

people claim reading wilgy is super hard but after modding and speccing so many t!wilgy games, i can confidently say that t!wilgy has opinions and ready and just pushes them in a way that is unique to everyone else. he's often very perceptive, too and can have strong opinions but doesn't push the thread in a leadership style because people don't take his style as an aggressive push. doesn't mean he's not aggressively pushing, but doing it in a manner that is more of a team-player than a dictator lol.

anyway, 9 wilgy posts over three day phases and he has 0 reads on anyone. he voted srceen for ?? reasons then moved to joh to create a 4-way tie. he called out scotty specifically in his second post to ask him for his town reads, not sure why scotty specifically was singled out and i will check scotty iso to see if he ever responded (i find people find less motivation to respond to pings from their teammates vs others in the game so it could be ~something~ or nothing at all).

wilgy can certainly be wolf here anyway.

@DrWilgy amiwrong?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:22 pm Town for some fun to heads!
Everyone likes guns
And heads

Players
Porscha (ISO)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (ISO)
Jackofhearts2005 (ISO)
MartinGG99 (ISO)
MacDougall (ISO)
srceenplay (ISO)
DaughterOfOmega (ISO)
NotAnAxehole (ISO)
Andresvmb (ISO)
Creature (ISO)
hollowkatt (ISO)
Moonwink (ISO)
Marmot (ISO)
DrWilgy (I
DrWilgy I...

wilgy's last post was 3 days ago. he made 1 post that day. this.

Andresvmb
8
42%
Voters: srceenplay, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Porscha, MartinGG99, Creature, dunya, Scotty, DaughterOfOmega

looks kinda pure if i say so myself tbh tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:54 pm I'll throw my vote on andres in case I miss eod again tomorrow

you're playing a wholly different game than goc. what gives?

i feel really good about andres flipping mafia ngl. it's got the blood pumping. i'm ready for this flip. it's not a big info flip, but i know for certain some people squirted past andres when some of us voted him.

will search "andres" for names

[VOTE: andres] aubergine

pending moonwink explanation on osie town read.

@srceenplay thanks for the osie thoughts.

you're not voting anywhere yet. out of andres, porscha and wilgy: who is your preference today?

Moonwink wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:42 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:56 am Anyways mac and axe are both town, if HK is mafia then no more than one mafia in Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99

If HK is town probably multiple mafia in that group, so let's flip HK
good post in retrospect. i'd vote martin first then...i townread everyone heavily. maybe marmot.

@Moonwink why is martin confirmed TOWN to you--are you 100% sure? idgi.
@dunya
Martin was only a strong townread for me D1 and D2. During N3, they claimed to have received a message I sent using a condition that targets specific town role names. Osie also claimed to have received that same message, which is why I'm kinda confused right now about how they became a wagon. D:

how many people can you confirm with those messages cos everyone in chat seems to have received them so why does that make osie special?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:56 am Anyways mac and axe are both town, if HK is mafia then no more than one mafia in Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99

If HK is town probably multiple mafia in that group, so let's flip HK
good post in retrospect. i'd vote martin first then...i townread everyone heavily. maybe marmot.

@Moonwink why is martin confirmed TOWN to you--are you 100% sure? idgi.
?

sorry, i take it back! you're town 4 lyf.

no but really i'm isoing everyone and skimming and forming better town/scum reads and you're clearly town.

the game feels too easy in this state though and i'm feeling meh

porscha
wilgy
andres
osie

are my 4-person poe

it makes me feel like game is too easy and im missing some huge piece of the puzzle.

i would like to know exactly why martin is town, though, because i'm not there yet.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:34 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:24 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:22 pm wigly andres porscha and star proves his role on one of them
r u just listing the low posters?

Not "just"
Andres is playing scum meta
Wigly backed away from d1 when they could have voted HK
porscha entry was ehh
and still want star to prove it

ok, i want to believe you on andres. he just slanks as mafia?

what do you think @NotAnAxehole

i'll iso wilgy but already was feeling good about him or osie.

can u iso osie and tell me what you think?

the point of the game is the rings and not just catching mafia so i wanna make sure we really do have it in the bag.

@Andresvmb where is u boo

wow scotty, thanks for doing the god's work.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:56 am Anyways mac and axe are both town, if HK is mafia then no more than one mafia in Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99

If HK is town probably multiple mafia in that group, so let's flip HK

good post in retrospect. i'd vote martin first then...i townread everyone heavily. maybe marmot.

@Moonwink why is martin confirmed TOWN to you--are you 100% sure? idgi.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:22 pm wigly andres porscha and star proves his role on one of them

r u just listing the low posters?

[VOTE: osie] aubergine

we already know one person on moonwink was mafia and the other town, actually, so maybe that was a waste of post.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:09 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:36 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:12 am Sadly I doubt I'll have any more time for this game. So gl you all.
Like we won't see you post again all game sort of no time? Or just day 3?
I might post once in a while, but not very often and likely I'll be unable to properly wolfhunt.
all game or just day 3?

with HK flipping wolf, where does your mind go as potential teammates?
Might be all game.

Also would look at the NAA wagon EOD1. Feels like there should have a wolf in there.
Vote Count - Day One
hollowkatt (7) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99
NotAnAxehole (3) - osieorb18, Andresvmb, Scotty
Moonwink (3) - Jackofhearts2005, hollowkatt, MacDougall
dunya (1) - NotAnAxehole
Jackofhearts2005 (1) - DrWilgy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - dunya

Not Voting (1) - Porscha

who from osie, scotty and andres do you feel worst about?

also @Creature why the NAA voters and not moonwink? she was a heavy push day 1

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:09 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:36 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:12 am Sadly I doubt I'll have any more time for this game. So gl you all.
Like we won't see you post again all game sort of no time? Or just day 3?
I might post once in a while, but not very often and likely I'll be unable to properly wolfhunt.
all game or just day 3?

with HK flipping wolf, where does your mind go as potential teammates?
Might be all game.

Also would look at the NAA wagon EOD1. Feels like there should have a wolf in there.

Vote Count - Day One
hollowkatt (7) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99
NotAnAxehole (3) - osieorb18, Andresvmb, Scotty
Moonwink (3) - Jackofhearts2005, hollowkatt, MacDougall
dunya (1) - NotAnAxehole
Jackofhearts2005 (1) - DrWilgy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - dunya

Not Voting (1) - Porscha

who from osie, scotty and andres do you feel worst about?

Mac wanted Osie dead for sure (me too, but let's assume mac is only 50% accurate on d1). i believe in Mac's day 1 reads and i'm willing to sheep him there and die and blame him post game if we're wrong or take all credit if we're right.

thoughts?

something just feels >calculated< in osie's posts. granted i've never played with him before, and only seen him host, but i'm often good on tone and vibe reads with new people.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm Creature and andres both mafia most likely

what do you think of drwilgy and osie?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:59 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:36 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:12 am Sadly I doubt I'll have any more time for this game. So gl you all.
Like we won't see you post again all game sort of no time? Or just day 3?
I might post once in a while, but not very often and likely I'll be unable to properly wolfhunt.
losing weight ?
*WIM
No, another game started.

but this started first! your attention and wim is needed here!

i kinda really need a town creature to help us navigate through the mechanics of this. i trust your mechanical solves: pls explaiin how town wins this?

if i am pocketed by any of DOOM, Marmot, Moonwink or NAA then i would be super impressed.

DaughterOfOmega (ISO) - top town read
srceenplay (ISO) - second top town read
NotAnAxehole (ISO) - third top town read
Moonwink (ISO) - fourth top town read
Marmot (ISO) - probably actually my third top town read instead of NAA so move the rest under
Jackofhearts2005 (ISO) - tried to angleshoot himself town so probs town
Creature (ISO) - tonally town, but wim seems to be missing
Scotty (ISO) - feels town to me again. i wasn't sure about his easy town read on me but i am going to be pocketed by it.
MartinGG99 (ISO) - moonwink seems sure martin is town? idgi but ... ok? was kinda scumleaning before this and their mega huge post which didn't include a summary for my reads felt very busywork kinda stuff.

Porscha (ISO) - no strong reason to townread
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (ISO) - probs wolfing but has made some very t!nook posts too after d1. so i need to sort better.
Andresvmb (ISO) - no reason not to wolf read except serious slacker smh
DrWilgy (ISO) - no reason not to wolf read atp.
osieorb18 (ISO) - wolfing based purely on vibes and doom and mac both seem to agree.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:56 pm [VOTE: NAA] aubergine

elaborate?

he's a top town read for me.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

i have more townreads than scumreads atm. that's good. i have a smaller poe.

btw srceenplay confirmed IC from HK interactions. good call, @DOOM

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:36 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:12 am Sadly I doubt I'll have any more time for this game. So gl you all.
Like we won't see you post again all game sort of no time? Or just day 3?
I might post once in a while, but not very often and likely I'll be unable to properly wolfhunt.

all game or just day 3?

with HK flipping wolf, where does your mind go as potential teammates?

MacDougall from dead chat: how does it feel being wrong about me? ;p

i received two messages.

@DaughterOfOmega can you talk to me about srceen? do you feel as strongly about t!scotty?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:51 pm @dunya I've already accepted that getting 10 votes on a player is impossible.

This is frustrating.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Something feels off and doesn't seem like he's trying to play or solve at all.

Playing the game.only to answer direct questions bad. No urgency this day phase despite yesterday where if he was town he should.be solving among his voters

@NotAnAxehole will u vote srceen instead of Scotty?

I think NAA is one of my strongest town reads.

Osie has trended down my list though.

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