The Syndicate

'Quin' has been mentioned 275 times so far in this game. 'Quin' was mentioned 897 times in Turf Wars.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:metalmarsh89:

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm leaving my vote on Quin, assuming he doesn't show up. He hasn't posted yet as the day winds down, and I think a civilian would have been more likely to make a last-ditch effort to save himself or informed us he wouldn't be around.

He leaves his vote on me because I haven't shown up in a last-ditch effort to save myself, something that he thinks appears town. The latter I have no opinion on, I still don't know marmot very well. But there is no way that he doesn't know by now that I'm in practically the complete opposite timezone as everyone else, and that I'm not even awake to defend myself when mostly everyone else is active. This looks like a half-baked reason to justify a vote on me.

Quin 1.0 did not post in this thread during the final 14 hours or so of the day phase, but did post in another thread in the middle of that gap. I honestly forgot where you're from, but you were still online.

Quin 1.0 let me know that he went to bed right after posting that, and this thread had no new information for him at that time. There is a limit to the amount of effort one can put in without having new information.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:JaggedJimmyJay: Has a contingency that if Quin 1.0 flips civ, Beck must be Scotty's teammate. He was wrong the first time, but he's confident he'll be right the second. With that being said, his reaction post lynch feels genuine. I'd maybe expect a baddie to come up with some excuse involving these fake lynch flips to buy some time for themself.

Violent eyeball twitch. Beck was in the PoE, and Quin 1.0 being town increases the likelihood of Beck being bad. It isn't a "must". You're Beck and frankly I don't want to vote for you right now. I'm probably leaning toward an inactive -- they're also in the PoE.

How does Quin 1.0 being town incriminate Beck?

These aren't in any particular order.

Sloonei: Demands that Rico and Wilgy move their votes. Again, it's this feeling that he's discrediting their votes just because it isn't an established wagon.

JaggedJimmyJay: Has a contingency that if Quin 1.0 flips civ, Beck must be Scotty's teammate. He was wrong the first time, but he's confident he'll be right the second. With that being said, his reaction post lynch feels genuine. I'd maybe expect a baddie to come up with some excuse involving these fake lynch flips to buy some time for themself.

metalmarsh89:
He leaves his vote on me because I haven't shown up in a last-ditch effort to save myself, something that he thinks appears town. The latter I have no opinion on, I still don't know marmot very well. But there is no way that he doesn't know by now that I'm in practically the complete opposite timezone as everyone else, and that I'm not even awake to defend myself when mostly everyone else is active. This looks like a half-baked reason to justify a vote on me.

Ricochet: He chooses to lynch Quin 1.0 over 3J. I don't like how he justifies it. He says my ISO of him makes him look bad and that 3J is being super-defensive, but votes me just because I'm on the PoE. He's relying on a collective strategy that could be biased with baddie input rather than his own suspicions. He also feels compelled to be on one of the two wagons, because he wasn't on it before. I don't like him as much as I did.

Golden: He's not entirely focused on why Quin 1.0 is bad, he's also focused on why 3J is good (and basically always has been). I like his approach. He comes out looking the best out of this lynch imo. This post aggravates me though, just based on it being a conflicting opinion, so reading it is hard for me (this is your queue to analyse it yourself, folks):

what Quin flipped was not relevant to my decision to vote him. Finding out what he would flip was more important

DrWilgy: Wilgy doesn't give a shit. Hell, isn't this guy dead? Who did he replace? He doesn't feel pressured to move onto a bandwagon. He does come up with an interesting teammate combination of Golden and INH. What's this about, Doctor?

Epignosis: His 3J vote is clean. He's been going at it with 3J since Day 0 so the vote doesn't surprise me. I feel confident saying they aren't teammates.

insertnamehere: I do not like this post:
Initially, I can only imagine Quin 1.0 thought it was an attempt to try and get reads, but he made no indication after he responded to it to suggest that was the case. It just does not appeal to me at all. When questioned about his contingency if Quin 1.0 flipped bad, he said he'd look at inactives. I don't understand the correlation.

Absent: leetic, reywaS

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like someone who suspects me to theorize about why I killed either Boomslang or DrWilgy.

Did their banners offend you too?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Another emotion-driven read:

Quin has re-inserted himself into the game on a moment's notice with authority and aplomb. Nice look.

Mr. Quin feels and acts like a confirmed civ.

But I don't understand why he wants to lynch me.

Your banner offends me.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:3J I'll respond to that after my lynch analysis.

Spoiler: marmot looks bad. How do you feel about him?

I could see marmot being bad. Especially if INH is bad, because it makes sense marmot would look to push scotty over the edge if he is a seemer, rather than lose inh, when the pair of them were fighting on day 1.

I really find inh shifty. Yesterday he called my case on you good, but basically absolved himself from it just based on me being arrogant. I don't like when people use ad hominem in place of detective work. I'm going to take whatever tone I like if I think it might be effective, and actually even while I left my vote on Quin I thought the best point in his favour was his reasoning for giving me a town read.

He also literally ignored posts endeavouring to get him to put in rational thought while accusing others of trying to stop rational thought.

Would you be open to voting the marmot tomorrow to help you further your read on INH?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:3J I'll respond to that after my lynch analysis.

I'd recommend shedding the "I already think he's bad and I want people to vote for him" bias that you willed into the last one. Up to you.

That is what I was doing. I didn't like going the 'I think he's bad so I'll only focus on that' route, but as you said, there was limited time, and if I did it as I normally did I would have been going forever.

3J I'll respond to that after my lynch analysis.

Spoiler: marmot looks bad. How do you feel about him?

Sloonei wrote:Sorry about the lynch, Quin. Blame Scotty.

Welcome back, Quin. Are you Scotty's teammate?

Do I make a joke? No, llama tried to lynch me for that in Turf Wars. I could say 'no' plainly, but that's not my style. I could lie and say yes, but you'd call my bluff. What to do..

How do you feel about Jay?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Responding to my accusations is not pointless.

Well I hope you understand why town!me wouldn't think it's the best way to use my time under the circumstances on Day 2. It came too late man. I'll respond now.

linki: I know you're a different Quin, but the brain transplant means you're susceptible to the same mindset. Are there immediate differences you might describe now that you're in a new body?

I half-do. I would have appreciated at least more than a flat out 'No', because it appeared as though you just wanted to avoid a potentially incriminating conversation.

My opinions are exactly the same. I didn't expect to be replaced until pretty much right before I was actually subbed in, so I'm not caught up. What I'm most interested in pursuing now is the actions and reactions post-Quin1.0 lynch.

I do recall a bunch of Beck naysayers, which means I'll likely be having a repeat of yesterday, but hopefully the utter fail that was Quin 1.0's lynch will make them think twice about their reasons for voting Quin 2.0.

Of course, we're talking about Quin 1.0, not Quin 2.0 Because I am not Quin 1.0, I am Quin 2.0. Don't forget that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Rico, should be PoE lynch Quin twice?

You ready for round two?

Well now that you're here and we're not approaching either bed time or a tally deadline, I might bother to respond to your ISO. If you have an open enough mind to read what I say, then I'll do it. So give it to me straight, Quin: would I be wasting my time? I don't have all day man. I don't have all damned day. I have a life to lead.

Responding to my accusations is not pointless.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Rico, should be PoE lynch Quin twice?

You ready for round two?

Hey bitches, remember me?

Golden wrote:(would be kinda funny if jay is bad and quin is good, lol).

Yeah, that would be hilarious.

That is the opposite of angry. Bad INH, bad!

Until a herd of angry sheep come charging through this thread it is not absurd enough.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

I never thought I'd see the day where 3J tells somebody to post less

H-have I done it? Have I broken him?

linki: that's nice, marmot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

No. I went through the effort of that post for a reason.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

No problems. You'd look good with it.

Maybe once he puts the knife down.

Golden wrote:Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Oh, I can't wait for EoD.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

It's also why I've been asking him that all day. Noobs.

Ah of course, that's the super secret tell you've been looking for!

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

I am not a confirmed baddie.

I disagree. Scotty outed you.

Until I see the word 'cop' or 'red peek' alongside my name I am not a confirmed baddie.

Nah. If you're not a baddie, you're not a baddie. No conditions on 'until'.

You are a baddie.

What does 'I'm not a baddie' do for anyone, again?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Civ, begrudgingly.

Wrong answer. You expect me to believe that you're fine with the guy who has emerged into this phase, in which you suggest you've been smeared post-mortem by Scotty, saying he is "99% sure you're bad" and "Quin is a confirmed baddie". Bullshit. Kill this guy. If you don't kill him today, kill him next.

Quin wrote:Respond to my ISO, please.

No.

I do not fault Scotty for thinking I'm suspicious based on Scotty's actions. I think he is wrong and that he should know that, but I know he genuinely believes that I am.

Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

I am not a confirmed baddie.

I disagree. Scotty outed you.

Until I see the word 'cop' or 'red peek' alongside my name I am not a confirmed baddie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin: I don't want an ISO on Golden. I want a read. Right now.

Civ, begrudgingly. Respond to my ISO, please.

Golden wrote:Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

I am not a confirmed baddie.

insertnamehere wrote:PROPOSED STRATEGY: Lynch JaggedJimmyJay.

If he's scum, celebrate.

If he's town, lynch Quin.

We'll see how it goes.

3J has 6 pages of posts. Usually I'd do a back and forth evaluating what I like and what I dislike and come up with a conclusion read at the end. I don't have the patience for that, so I'm (for the most part) focusing on the bad, because I want people to vote for him. Sue me
He's already got his defence here ready, but reading of any kind based on emoticon usage is...a horrible case. My emoticon usage has shit all to do with my alignment and everything to do with my emotions at the time. Couple that with this discussion is ongoing with marmot who I don't feel fantastic about sets off alarm bells.

Also, this:
I've already got cause to suspect you, and it's Day 0.
Golden used the 'just because it's easy doesn't make it bad' defence when I accused him of taking the easy route when coming up with potential teammates. I know you read it, but you didn't seem interested in that. Also, on what planet do townies lie more easily?

He has a massive back and forth with Ricochet that actually makes me feel slightly better about him, and slightly worse about Rico. Most of interest to me is that 3J makes some reference to the champs game to suggest why Rico's actions are suspicious, and Rico jumps to suggest he's being suspected for taking inspiration from a baddie in a game he didn't watch when it's got nothing to do with that.
You don't get immunity from having your game criticised just because the person civ-read you once. Wasn't it you who said this:
It seems contradictory that you'd act so aggressively to someone who's just trying to do the same thing you do.
This is a meta read. Curious he looked for a game in which he was bad and didn't think to back it up with a game where he was civ. For the record, here's a civ INH in Triskaedekaphobia also not taking Day 1 accusations seriously. Or are you segmenting the two because the former seems 'funnier'?
He's on both sides of the fence on a Scotty lynch.
I didn't like this interaction then and I don't now. 3J has always been for alternatives, and even if he suggests that he doesn't support mine because he doesn't agree with it, I think it's suspicious that he'd try and discredit my vote by saying it had no utility, even with the case I had behind it.
I'd go so far as to say Sloonei was the reason Scotty was lynched. You haven't made a single hint towards your thinking that he could have been bussed by Sloonei, so I see how you could think that Sloonei was suspicious here, whether he actually voted Scotty or not.
Why does marmot deserve civ cred here? I don't really get your leetic thing here but I have nothing bad to say about it.

Everything from about this point here that stands out to me is that 3J is crumbing his intention to vote for me, but he's standing back and saying 'hey, I get it! I just want to gather more information!'
And then there's this little number.
Clearly the scumhunting I have been doing isn't good enough for him. He's going on about legacies, which also raises alarms. Just because I'm dead doesn't mean my scumhunting is right. I don't trust this, I think this is a massive discredit job and a way to try and shut me up.
And then this. It just furthers my opinion that he's preparing for me to get all my posts out so that he can fake a now-informed vote. He intended to vote for me long ago, he just wants to look good doing it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:It's being said constantly that I have minimal to do with my own lynch. I'd expect pretty much all of you to realise Scotty was obviously setting me up for this.

Could be. The "I don't know, I guess GTH bad" thing of his that got this all started is something I could see as intentional fudge. I'd do that. That's just one point among various though.

My read on you almost entirely hinges on what you do next anyway. So you just keep busy and I'll watch my [American] football game.

Are you going to share what you were looking for with the class afterwards?

Let me put it out there that more than half the reason I'm even is the spotlight is because of how Scotty incriminated me. It's being said constantly that I have minimal to do with my own lynch. I'd expect pretty much all of you to realise Scotty was obviously setting me up for this.

linki: On a glance; Scotty, 3J and you.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There's a single specific thing I'd be expecting from a town Quin right now and I have not seen it yet. I will wait for the promised ISOs, but this day phase has few enough waking hours left that I cannot wait forever.

If you think I have a tell, you're wrong buddy.

Are you a member of the mafia, Quin?

Nope.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There's a single specific thing I'd be expecting from a town Quin right now and I have not seen it yet. I will wait for the promised ISOs, but this day phase has few enough waking hours left that I cannot wait forever.

If you think I have a tell, you're wrong buddy.

Voting 3J. I'll ISO him now for a more concrete reasoning, but right now I think he's hella bad.

Of course, he'll get his Golden ISO after that.

I mentioned town-reading INH now, so I'm going to elaborate on that point.

I could go either way with his accused democrat slip i.e this post:

I think JJJ is my strongest Republican read right now. He's just randomly throwing admittedly false facts around, and when pressed on whether they're even true, he just shrugs and says "Who Cares?" while saying that anyone who doesn't think with their gut and accept his emotion based ideas as fact is a darn high-faluttin' wafler who's to much of a damn pansy to make a stand.

He's pretty much symbolic of the current state of the GOP.

I didn't look much into it last time, but now I'm thinking it's not something I could make a case against him with (for either alignment), but it's something that should not be forgotten. He does make a bit of a 'joke' about how he thought 3J was trying to bait a reaction from him, which I think is a little...overeager?

He does seem better to me from this point. He's intentionally trying to make sure 3J isn't gathering the influence he usually gets. While he (at this moment) appears to civ read Jay, I like the way he's approaching this because I don't trust 3J for a second in this game. That's something I'll look at more deeply in another post.

I see where Sloonei could interpret that INH was trying to shift blame onto Sloonei in advance. I think I asked Sloonei this question before, but I don't remember getting an answer. What does it mean for INH now that Scotty flipped bad?

He's throwing soft suspicion against 3J, highlighting the flip-floppiness of his INH read. Good.

He explains his Scotty vote more, with 3 reasonings 1) He was suspicious of Scotty 2) He hated the leetic wagon 3) He wanted to test Sloonei.INH, what does this mean for Sloonei knowing that he was not on the Scotty wagon and he flipped bad?

Claims again that Scotty's case was more substantial than leetic, which is true.

He analyses the voting pattern in pretty good depth. What are your GTH's on Sloonei, Rico and 3J?
I guess his next post answers that, he's GTH bad on Rico and 3J, and town on Sloonei.

Golden wrote:And Jay is right that there is no value in defending against me. I'm voting for you today, because I think you've been rumbled by Scotty's flip, and nothing you say will change that.

Cool.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At this point Quin, I'm not certain how far defending yourself can realistically take you. Whether you end up lynched or not, the best thing for the town faction would be for you to focus purely on hunting for baddies and leaving us with a legacy. If it's good enough shit, the votes might evaporate anyway. I say this mostly because it's what I'd most like to see; I've already seen the defenses and I can conjure them before they are shown to me. Give me the suspects.

The choice is yours obviously.

I'm writing up bigger posts as I 'defend' myself. If you can call 'defending' having perfectly reasonable arguments demolished by 'Oh, I don't think so'.

Golden wrote:I'll also say that if Quin was actually town, I think he would have found the way Scotty was handling him suspicious, and I think Quin would have been digging into scotty as well.

I don't think a natural reaction from town!quin to scotty having a lame reason for voting for you, is to attack sloonei for suspecting scotty. I think a more natural reaction is to agree about scotty, but say that sloonei is wrong about the teammate bit and that you think scotty might be setting you up to look that way.

You've played with me once, Golden. I don't think you're in the best position to evaluate what town quin would do in these situations.

Golden wrote:Just want to remind people how sloonei caught scotty, and why I think this says quin is bad. Also, I kind of think MP is the third teammate.

I particularly like the quote where quin suggests there might be a case against him 'if you lynched scotty and he came back bad'.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote:Quin? I have no read on Quin. But fine, if I must. GTH: Bad.

Sloonei wrote:Scotty and Quin are scum partners.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why did you put a gun to your own head and scum read Quin?

Cuz I had no read of him, and figured I should.

so you arbitrarily put a scum read on him?

Sloonei wrote:Come on Scotty, let's vote for Quin together.

Scotty wrote:Meh, ok. vote Quin

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Scotty and Quin are scum partners.

Woah, I TOTALLY missed this.

Wtf?

Scotty wrote:Can someone else comment on my interaction with Sloonei? Am I missing something here? I'm getting the heebeejeebies right now

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote: Basically. I put those reads in as I thought of them, and after the fact realized I forgot about 4 more peeps. I can't really remember Quin's content this game, hence the scum read.

What's your beef with him?

My beef is the same as yours.

Medium rare?

Meh, ok. vote Quin

Why?

Same as you.

I mean you seemed to trust me enough there to follow along in a vote that you've got no substantial reason to believe in, despite claiming to believe in it. You've also got no substantial reason to trust me, just a minute ago you were complaining that I haven't been active enough, and now I'm here and I'm throwing this bullshit in your face, so why are you listening to me?

Sloonei wrote:The truth is I felt like your post of reads was one of those "substance for the sake of substance" posts, and your read on Quin came off to me as very forced and completely meaningless. So I decided to throw an accusation out there and goad you into acting on your "suspicion" of Quin, which you've done even though you have no reason to distrust Quin or trust me. How bogus is this?

Scotty wrote:Sloonei, if you could vote anywhere else, where would it be? Since you have such little reason to be voting for Quin (I assume) as I do.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Beck wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

(There's a right answer and a wrong answer, Jimmy.)

I'm looking at all of his four posts pretty intently, but I'm not seeing anything at all. The very most I can come up with is his 'I'll post more strategies later' thing and I'm pretty sure that's a political joke.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Everyone else: I don't expect you to read our text walls. Once we've had our chat and I am satisfied with whatever conclusion I come to I'll summarize it.

My suspicion of you has grown, sir. Why wouldn't you expect people to read what you've posted and form their own opinions and instead rely on your summary?

I agree with this. But at the same time, what JJJ said about 'being satisfied with the conclusion' makes me feel good. It tells me he's not just trying to shake off the attention.

I didn't really like these two posts from Quin, for the record. In the top one he makes sure to keep his distance from actually accusing MP of anything, but leaves the door open a crack, and in the second one he manages to take both sides of a case against Jay in consecutive sentences.

Scotty wrote:What made you pick me and Quin as teammates out of all my reads?
I'm not liking this conscious effort to manipulate me, Sloonster. I'm sorry you don't like my reads. It's something new I'm trying.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I like Scotty's attempt to get reads, even when he is uncertain of how to go about it. He's trying to expand his Day 1 repertoire and it appears mostly genuine to me. I also don't get the wrong vibes from Sloonei's interrogation tactic. He observed a specific thing (Scotty's read of Quin) that he found interested, and then harnessed that into a an exchange that stands a chance of producing a more complete read.

Sloonei came in saying he read Quin as bad "same as me" but then quoted examples after the fact, as if he stole cookies from the cookie jar and then replaced them with some pieces of cardboard he found in the garage so no one would know he ate the cookies preemptively.

What is your opinion of Quin, JJJ?

I do not get this analogy. Also you never said a word about why you might suspect Quin, just that you did. Why should it be a mark against me that I am able to substantiate this read we supposedly share?

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:By answering with "same as you" you are affirming that I am reading him bad because 'I can't remember what he said'. But then you come in backing it up after the fact, like you had a reason initially, you just lied about it.
It's Like me saying now that I'm suspicious of Quin because he killed my cat...I just chose not to mention that in my initial read.

Oh, yeah I was just trying to see if you'd vote for him without any given reason.

Quin wrote:1. I didn't accuse MP of being suspicious because I don't think he's suspicious. There was no crack, either. Not sure where you're looking

2. Fair enough.

linki: My reason for the voting is right there. You're basing your vote on me off of Scotty, not me. That's bad.

Sloonei wrote:I do not understand how that would make me bad if it was true.

Quin wrote:More specifically, you are using Scotty's actions as a means to vote for me, without any insight as to whether what Scotty is doing is civvie or baddie behaviour. Had he been lynched and flipped bad, you might have a reason to look at him as inspiration to vote me, but as it is, he has not, and therefore you are bad.

Golden wrote:I could see either Epi or Scotty as bad, but probably not together.

I think an Epi/Rico team is still well possible.
I think a Scotty/Quin team is also well possible.

That's me for now.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I could see either Epi or Scotty as bad, but probably not together.

I think an Epi/Rico team is still well possible.
I think a Scotty/Quin team is also well possible.

That's me for now.

I don't think you think either of the latter two at all.

I really have difficulty seeing why we wouldn't lynch Quin today. That he is scotty's teammate is written all over everything. It's part of WHY we caught scotty. Quin spent time, even before the lynch, setting sloonei up to be today's lynch after scotty flipped town. It's Quin all the way.

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what about quin?

Golden wrote:I'd say its quin

And one of beck/MP/SVS

I don't think it's naive to think there are no baddies on the inh wagon. There were only two baddies not named scotty. Scotty didn't jump on the inh wagon, scotty came back civ initially, I think there was no intent to endeavour to save him.

I think Quin voted sloonei because it was very intentional for quin to then push sloonei after scotty came back town.

I think this game really is the easy mode it appears to be.

In what scenario would a baddie immediately push hard against a civ knowing that Scotty's real flip would be revealed shortly after? I don't believe for a moment that the baddies were unaware of what was going on. Do you?

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I'm sorry I didn't get everything I wanted out there yesterday, I was just feeling incredibly stressed out (which I'm sure people will itch to claim is alignment indicative - which it's not) and I had to step back. That said, I'm feeling a lot more motivated now so I'll continue with what I planned to do.

I did say this at one point, so I guess I deserve all the heat

Had he been lynched and flipped bad, you might have a reason to look at him as inspiration to vote me, but as it is, he has not

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:HEY! What do we all think of my initial claim that Scotty and Quin are teammates? This is something I should look at.

I think it was correct. I found Scotty's response to your inquiries about Quin to be something that indicted them both. I also really don't like this:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I could see either Epi or Scotty as bad, but probably not together.

I think an Epi/Rico team is still well possible.
I think a Scotty/Quin team is also well possible.

That's me for now.

I don't think you think either of the latter two at all.

I opposed the shit out of that whole ordeal. I do not see a situation where Scotty's flimsiness should overshadow that. The only thing I didn't do is vote for Scotty, instead I established my own wagon with what was a solid case.

I think pairing these teams as you did is the easy route.

Ricochet wrote:

Ah yes, the certified PoE that is most definitely not infiltrated with baddies and independents.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:I'd like to know exactly what you don't understand, what I've mistaken, what we're miscommunicating, because writing this is giving me a headache and I'm not sure whether anything I've just said to you is even relevant.

This where you are losing me:

Quin wrote:His suspicion of a townie had nothing to do with it. It was how he approached his suspicion that I found hollow.

I get that something about the way I handled things with Scotty made you think I'm bad. Here you suggest that I was basing my vote on you off of Scotty's actions, but I think I explained how that was not the case in this post. I had started to form a scum read against you before any of the business with Scotty started, but I did not say anything about this because I wanted to see if he was able to substantiate his own read. He was not. I would not have pursued this angle in the first place if it were not for my pre-existing read on you.

But then in this post your reason, or at least your wording of it changes:

Quin wrote:I'm leaving my vote where it is. I'm of the opinion that Sloonei was attempting to set me up as the Day 1 lynch with baddie intentions and fell back onto Scotty when I resisted it and he became the center of attention.

Whereas before I was suspicious for basing a vote for you off of Scotty's actions. Now it's a full-blown conspiracy of mine to turn the lynch on you. In spite of my attempt to debunk your theory, you've gone and escalated it to a more extreme level. This would be one thing if you had engaged in any sort of a discussion about my defense, but you did no such thing. You never acknowledged my response at all, and that is a bad look. It suggests to me that you were unwilling to engage in a true analysis of your case.

And then came this chain of posts where your responses covered only the most basic elements of Mafia Strategy 101, and did nothing to further explain your suspicion (which, as it stood, was that I was trying to get you lynched by making Scotty look bad. If you remember, at some point yesterday I mentioned that I had not suspected you for a while. I brought this up because, at the time, it appeared your suspicion against me was still being based on the belief that I was trying to get you lynched.)

I understand you better in your most recent post about the case. I do not necessarily think it matches the reality of events from my perspective. I left my vote on you at first because I was genuinely suspicious. It stayed on you longer than it should have, but only because I was at work the whole night. I changed it to Scotty as soon as I got home, because I was genuinely suspicious of him. It later changed to INH.

After going through all of this I am left feeling more like I understand where you were coming from, but I also think I have identified where the source of the confusion was for me; you never engaged with my side of the argument. You continued to express your theory that I was trying to set up a lynch against you without ever responding to my counter-arguments. And that is one reason why I am currently voting for you.

I spent about half an hour doing this and NOW you tell me you don't want it?!??

Take it anyway I'm trying to cover my bases as much as I can. With that said, I want to put us on that wavelength that I think we should be on, so I want to appease you as much as you want to read me.


Let me respond in order of your hyperlinks:

1/2) While it's probably not a great look to use a baddies posts to argue my case, I agreed with Scotty when he said this:

By answering with "same as you" you are affirming that I am reading him bad because 'I can't remember what he said'. But then you come in backing it up after the fact, like you had a reason initially, you just lied about it.
It's Like me saying now that I'm suspicious of Quin because he killed my cat...I just chose not to mention that in my initial read.

Furthermore, I contested one of the posts that you suggested were suspicious, which you didn't respond to. The second was a fair cop, but what I was getting at in that post was that I was saying 'I understand why you would find that post suspicious, but here's why it probably isn't'. I have a dialogue with 3J about the second one, which you should read if you haven't already.

3) The course of the day changed. That's... how it is. 'before I was suspicious for basing a vote for you off of Scotty's actions. Now it's a full-blown conspiracy of mine to turn the lynch on you'. These mean the exact same thing in my argument. You already tried to turn the lynch on me when you based your vote for me on Scotty. Treating these like separate cases don't help your argument. Suggesting I didn't try to even to discuss your defence is also blatantly wrong. The problem is, half of your defence is 'I don't understand' 'Why does that make me bad'. Those are questions answered in the accusations themselves, so I don't know why you're asking them.

4) I still do not understand why you don't understand, and the only possible explanation I have for it is that you're feigning ignorance. The things you did and said are suspicious, and I have explicitly stated why over and over again. You keep asking 'why' like it's not good enough for you. I didn't initiate the whole 'Mafia 101' thing, you did. I don't have anything else to say here.

5) I HAVE responded to every single element of your argument. You just keep asking 'why'.

This came out in a mix of 'what was' and 'what is' and I apologise for that. You keep stressing me out, Sloonei. I don't know what it is. I think you're playing a weird civ game, and I'm only saying civ because you're half the reason Scotty was lynched.

I don't mind continue this dialogue, Sloonei. As stressed and annoyed as I'm coming across, I want to make sure that you're understanding me.