The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:41 pm Why did two mafia teams keep the closest thing to a confirmed townie (me) alive for 12 days? This is what I'd like to know.

I think one mafia team isn't paying attention, and I think the other didn't find you to be much of a threat.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:41 pm Why did two mafia teams keep the closest thing to a confirmed townie (me) alive for 12 days? This is what I'd like to know.

Killing you adds bonus confirmation.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:37 pm I'm im not as confident if Scotty. I haven't dismissed him entirely but... I'm not as confident. If you insist we should vote that way I will but I'd like to be sure we've explored all options here.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:06 pm So Quin, guess we work together today. Who are you feeling a vote for? I'm sure we can settle on someone we both are comfortable with. I hope.

I mean, we're as cool as this dog...


That's one very cool dog.

See? We got this Quin.

Ben Linus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:43 pm Oh, looks like it's Day.

That means Quin (number 5) and Spacedaisy (number 9) are handcuffed and must vote the same way today.

I also need someone to enter the code into the hatch computer. Quickly now!

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:40 pm

MacDougall had been unusually quiet in recent times. He had locked himself up in an airlocked room, eating only replicated food. He had taken to using Morse Code, tapping on pipes, to tell his acolytes what to do next.

--.- ..- .. - tapped MacDougall.

The acolytes consulted their chart. "Quit?" they said. "Are we so bad that he has lost faith in us entirely?"

.-- . .... .- ...- . ..-. .- .. .-.. . -.. -.-- --- ..- they tapped back -... ..- - .--. .-.. . .- ... . -.. --- -. - .-.. --- ... . ..-. .- .. - ....

MacDougall was confused. What a strange message to get back. He consulted his chart. "Ooooooh" said MacDougall

--.- ..- .. -. --.- ..- .. -. --.- ..- .. -. tapped MacDougall.

And the deed was done.

Night 12 has ended. Quin has died. He was:

14: The Man in the Tan Jacket (Welcome to Night Vale). You are immune to all powers and effects, positive or negative, other than kills.

It is now day 13. It will last for 48 hours.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:58 pm I hope somebody removed me from the poll tomorrow.

Anybody.

















Quin

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:27 pm um no we are not lynching insertnamehere today thank you

omg I love your avatar

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:42 pm can we lynch one of my suspects tomorrow please

who

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:44 pm I don't trust Slooneis judgment this game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:02 am Also Quin your idea that we should lynch someone out of a 20% probability is bad and you should feel bad for it.

You are still a civ tho.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:22 am I have no idea why "evening the playing field" would be a reason to lynch Sloonei.

like I get the idea is "sloonei's never died once and many others have died once or twice, let's string him up so we're all on the same level so it's fair or something" but that makes no sense from the mindset that we're working together towards a common goal

Sig's statement on Sloonei irks me for that reason, because balance shouldn't factor in to anything at all. if Sloonei is a bad then yes he should be lynched for that and stripped of his first and second lives but if he's civ, then him having two lives is an important asset.

viewing things in terms of balance gives off an aura of like..... almost an indie perspective?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:57 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:59 pm I'm actually concerned right now about sig and Scotty probably equally to INH right now. My main hold back on INH is he defended Wilgy hard. I'm sure his team knew he was trying to get replaced, but it was pretty clear Wilgy was going down. If they were teammates, why defend him this hard? That is the one thing that holds me back on INH.

sig I already mentioned that last post about Sloonei has me absolutely concerned. I just said not that long ago that we should watch out for players who want to just lynch all the players down to one life, they could very well be mafia mining for a teammate hidden in the second roles. I don't like this post from sig. But to me it kind of balances the opposite feeling from sig regarding the 70% haiku comment. I just can't see a reason a baddie would make such a ridiculous statement. So I am torn right now, but leaning bad slightly.

Scotty just pinged me hard. He basically is saying, pay no attention to Evens, we should be focusing on that last Strex because we have better leads there. I don't like that look either. But he knew how it looked when he said it too, so if he is bad, it is ballsy.

Lastly Kyle is still on my radar. I have seen one post from him though that I finally felt like I could hear his voice in it. When I hear those posts in his voice I know I am feeling like it's more genuine. I realize that this is a lot of gut based thoughts. But that one post took a long time to get here, which leaves me feeling unsure about him too.

I might switch off INH, not sure. If so it will most likely move to Scotty or sig. We'll see how this progresses. I do like SVS's case for INH, but I just think it's a very risky move to defend a teammate that hard when he is trying to get out of the game and is looking like he will be lynched.

My lack of conviction in going after Evens right now is in part because I’m having trouble reading you, Sloonei and Kyle as bad. Kyle’s just come upon Walden Pond and it’s been just delightful watching him discover all the ducks and the geese floating around. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I believe that he is behind and dragging but indeed coming back into review.

Next step for him is putting his analysis goggles on and turning on the woodsaw to max. That’s what I wanna see from him.

It’s just that I currently see more interactive possibilities with Wilgy being an outted baddie, and wish to vote that way. I’m not 100% behind the “evens” waited until they got to Pikachu to kill sprityo.

And if we just do what Quin is inferring, and just lynching everyone on Pikachu 2.0 until we lynch scum because it’s a 20% chance, well...that’s just dumbfuckery

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:01 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:40 pm Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.

tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:45 pm So we can assume there is an Even among these people:
Epginosis
Kylemii
Scotty
Sloonei
Spacedaisy

excluded sprityo because I don't think he killed himself.

This would also mean that the configuration of Pikachu 2.0 was 2 evens vs 2 strex vs 6 townies. (or x-number of townies vs x-number of indies, if we wanna go down that rabbit hole). And we still managed to eliminate two baddies in one day.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:13 am So what would you think? Three original and one first death recruit?

I wonder what the mechanism would be? If it was number based, like the first NK your team makes, or choice based, the baddies could find out who other baddies are, because their recruit would fail since I would guess they can't recruit from another team.

So either the baddies have info, or it is a random recruiting mechanism, imo. Would lynched people be excluded from the recruit process, since they would bring baggage?

I think Jack was civ both times. He moved from one life to the next cleanly.

This is something to think about, and what it basically says is no one can be excluded based on thread, because the person you just tried to lynch could be your new partner.

Anyone have any thoughts on anyone who change suspicions? Maybe came back from the Pet Semetary?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:43 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:29 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:12 pm ddl calls out both LC and nutella early on when they weren't necessarily being targeted by any significant scrutiny yet. at fist glance i'd say this makes him slightly less likely to be a member of the evil evens

going hard against my...entire team was pretty much the first thing i did in fire emblem

#refuted

valid point

Distancing 101. He also tangent voted for anyone but LC on LCs second lynch. BUT two teams of four would be required for him to be An even, since at least one Even had to be at Cerberus since all the kills till me on night six were at Cerberus. And two teams of four baddies plus possible indies seems a bit much when I think about it.

So for that reason I am not sure. If we think teams of three, then DDL drops down my list cause some of the reasons I suspect him are LC related and the third has to be on Cerberus. If four, then

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:12 pm ddl calls out both LC and nutella early on when they weren't necessarily being targeted by any significant scrutiny yet. at fist glance i'd say this makes him slightly less likely to be a member of the evil evens

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:13 pm It's Day 11. Most Mafia games are winding down or have ended by this point.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:47 am
No opinion right now on Epi, DDL, Quin & cbob.

I do not understand how one could have no opinion on four people at this stage.

They are all Pikachus, and her rl took off around the time the tribes merged would be my guess.

This, entirely this. I have struggled to understand most pikachu people because I don't have the mental energy to read what happened here while I was over in Cerberus.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:38 pm

Day 11 has ended. DrWilgy has been lynched. He was:

66: Dhalsim (Street Fighter II). Once in the game, you may teleport during the night phase, randomising all player targets for that night. You are MAFIA and a member of STREXCORP.

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FUCK YEAH! I KNEW IT BITCHES!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:40 pm Fuckin' merked 'em lads

Take that Mr. "I stopped reading at meta"

Same to you INH for calling my case BS and hollow and judgmental.

Let me be perfectly clear here. I have the highest respect for Wilgy as a player both civ and bad. My point was not that he doesn't contribute as a civ. It was that he did it in a lot more jokey, schticky way that people often would just disregard as just crazy Wilgy. Which frankly is unfortunate because a I previously mentioned, civ Wilgy has an eye for finding baddies. But bad Wilgy tries to be understandable at least so that he looks civ I assume. His contributions in both are good. I think Wilgy is the coolest cat and I know he has an incredible win rate. So if you feel like I was saying anything disrespectful about Wilgy, that is not the case. Also, I will never again trust this meta because once it's out there it becomes irrelevant.

Finally, I am super pumped by that result. I was terrified I would be wrong.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:23 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:36 pm You are wasting your vote Quin.

What happened to the DDL who would happily engage in verbal fisticuffs with me when I suspected him?

That was when doing so mattered.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:52 pm I hope that by quoting your post with a car picture (which you’ve been doing now at least a couple phases) I’m not marked for death.

What an annoying role Wilgy’s was- punishing people for responding to posts

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:40 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:12 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:18 am
Quin, to some extent, saw what I saw about the Nutellas Role Frenzy, and knew it was wrong, but unlike me he believed Chuck was civ, I think. I could be wrong there, but I don't think I am.

I didn't. I just thought the timing to lynch him was off.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:56 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:50 pm @insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

Why were you “townfirmed” again to begin with?

Honest question, I just kept hearing (via Speedchuck??) and never really took to heart what the reasoning was.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:50 pm @insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:36 pm You are wasting your vote Quin.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:07 pm [VOTE: quin ] aubergine

You were warned.

(This is not a real vote and will be changed by EoD.)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:56 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:51 pm Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.

That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.

It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.

SYNDICATE CRIME STORY

THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY

1. "META"

Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.

Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.

Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.

That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.

Bleh.

2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"

As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.

It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.

3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"

Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.

FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.

FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.

This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.

4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"

This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.

All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.

My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?

Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.

I halfway agree with everything you say, but like... why not lynching Wilgy? We have more dead scum than town, Wilgy isn't playing and all reasons for lynching him seems plausible. Feels like we gotta get this page turned before moving on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Civs.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:34 pm lol what if we had it all backwards and Evil Evens kill on odd nights.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

nevermind. i misinterpreted it. he was talking about getting inspiration from players to put in the EoD posts. still doubt these posts indicate anything tho.

I just dug through all his posts to find what you were talking about and was gonna say this.

Also I got distracted in the middle of this activity because I got a random email notifcation on my phone at 1:30 in the morning from one of the Canadian grad schools I applied to letting me know I've been accepted. This is the closest I've come to actually being a canadian.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

Doubt it. Golden mentioned back in one of the tribe threads that his host posts aren't meant to be indicative of anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Golden’s golden enough to not give away info in the host post. And anyway, that very thing you’re talking about could just pertain to the fact that there was no kill. So, useless anyway.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am My host philosophy - my interaction is a deliberate mindfuck - if you read into it it could be to your benefit or your detriment. I'm probably rare, but it actually irritates me when people won't interact as hosts or deadies, and I actively dislike hosts who won't answer questions to all in thread and interact with their players. Coming to this site is supposed to be fun. It's not a maths exam. Heck, where I came from, reading the host posts could provide you with game information - and to me thats entirely fair play because hosts put in effort to writing the posts and want you to read them, and the information was equal for all factions. In addition, you'd banter with the host, and that was fine - the host should want EVERY player to try their best, and I think having banter with your players keeps them engaged and hoping to succeed.

If Golden the host says of the mafia team failing to perform their kill, "as it happened, they never showed up at all" then I'm gonna take it to mean there is a possibility that the mafia team did not submit a kill. Or it could be any other factor that might prevent a kill. My only point is that this may be an indication of a missed kill attempt. Or it may not be. we don't know. I want us to consider all possibilities.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:20 pm I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.