The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

Tell me why my lynch is unanimous.

You tell me! Because of Dom, it sounds like. Just my perception, of course. But look at what epi said to me 'we're not lynching yiu, we're lynching quin.'

Epi has yet to provide a valid post or interaction that supports his argument, so Epi isn't the most reliable guy right now.

Golden wrote:One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

Tell me why my lynch is unanimous.

DFaraday wrote:Upon returning from the office, the rest of the company immediately knew that one of the hypnotized must be the firestarter (a word here meaning arsonist).

Anyway, what's this about?

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

I think you are being perfectly rational. You're the only person who has expressed a legitimate reason to suspect me. It strikes me as very rational to suspect quin right now.

Rational does not mean correct.

Linki @epi - why are you so convinced I'm pissy and not relaxed? I'm on holiday - I'm chilled as. I literally do not care that you suspect me one iota. Ive long ago learned that you can be stubbornly wrong and the only way to snap you out of it is to hit you over the head with a shell. I'm not sure where the shell will come from, but I'm not going to talk my way out of it. I have to make you realise it on your own. It still doesn't make you right.

I hope you don't die tonight. I think you're probably civ.

I don't deny that suspecting me is rational, especially after Dom flipped. But Epi's specific case against me isn't rational at all.

To break it down, he threw a post at me claiming it could be detected even though all signs point towards that not being the case; his accusation rests on the belief that either DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate, and although I've pressed him to elaborate three times now, he still hasn't given me the time of day about it; he's accusing me of fabricating my reads even though he's the last person who should be accusing me of that given that he was my teammate in Mad Max.

He's irrational.

ebwop

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

I think you are being perfectly rational. You're the only person who has expressed a legitimate reason to suspect me. It strikes me as very rational to suspect quin right now.

Rational does not mean correct.

Linki @epi - why are you so convinced I'm pissy and not relaxed? I'm on holiday - I'm chilled as. I literally do not care that you suspect me one iota. Ive long ago learned that you can be stubbornly wrong and the only way to snap you out of it is to hit you over the head with a shell. I'm not sure where the shell will come from, but I'm not going to talk my way out of it. I have to make you realise it on your own. It still doesn't make you right.

I hope you don't die tonight. I think you're probably civ.

I don't deny that suspecting me is rational, especially after Dom flipped. But Epi's specific case against me isn't rational at all.

To break it down, he threw a post at me claiming it could be detected even though all signs point towards that not being the case; his accusation rests on the belief that either DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate, and although I've pressed him to elaborate three times now, he still hasn't given me the time of day about it; he's accusing me of fabricating my reads even though he's the last person who should be accusing me of that given that he was my teammate in Mad Max.

He's irrational.



Let me outline:

DFaraday wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I generally wouldn't LD "I think" statements because I can't say with absolute certainty what a player thinks.

well howdy do


also, lucky break.

I literally just did like 5 posts back.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

What am I not doing a good job of?

If you're civ, winning.

That wasn't directed at you sig, I'd never say something like that to you

You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

No, I just don't see a situation where you could be behaving this irrationally if you were a civ. And your baddie game is better than this. Your argument against me doesn't make sense, you're using crappy examples to back it up, you still haven't addressed my counter to your case, and this is just one occurrence of this behaviour. Your interaction with Spacedaisy about your unfounded trust of Long Con is yet another example of this.

"This irrationally?" What have I said that was irrational? Everything I've said is based in the thread.

3J said the same thing about me in the last game we were in.

He was the serial killer.

Keep going.

I literally just gave you two examples of you behaving irrationally.

Whether I'm civ or not doesn't make you any less irrational. 3J being the SK didn't make you any less irrational in that game either. I don't make up reasons to accuse people that aren't legitimate. You most definitely know that considering you were my teammate in Mad Max.

If I was gonna throw a role at you now, I'd say you're the recruiter and that you've taken Long Con for the ride.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

No, I just don't see a situation where you could be behaving this irrationally if you were a civ. And your baddie game is better than this. Your argument against me doesn't make sense, you're using crappy examples to back it up, you still haven't addressed my counter to your case, and this is just one occurrence of this behaviour. Your interaction with Spacedaisy about your unfounded trust of Long Con is yet another example of this.

Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

Also, tell me which of DDL/Snow Dog is my teammate. That's the hypothesis you've created to come to the conclusion that I'm bad. I feel like you're more interested in lynching me for hindsight information than your actual suspicion of me, and I'm not having it.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:
linki: I'd support it. Both her previous votes have lacked any actual reasoning or suspicion.

Well of course you would. The lie detector just called you bad. I wasn't really asking you, slick.

I don't care. Elohcin is a good lynch. And if you want to act like Dom detected one of my posts and caught me out, show me which one he checked, because that last one doesn't do anything for anyone.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

In a one mafia game:

"I think (not-my-teammate) is bad."

That's a lie.

Because you don't really think that.

Explain how that logic applies here.

I think xxx and yyy are teammates.

If xxx is YOUR teammate, then the lie detector can know you are lying, because you don't really think that.

Is DDL or Snow Dog my teammate, Epi? Show your working.

And, I do really think that. Not that the lie detector would actually be able to confirm it.

linki: I'd support it. Both her previous votes have lacked any actual reasoning or suspicion.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

In a one mafia game:

"I think (not-my-teammate) is bad."

That's a lie.

Because you don't really think that.

Explain how that logic applies here.

Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I don't know what half of that means, but my latter point stands, unless you're inferring that either DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate.

That post was phrased from my own perspective, so unless Dom has the ability peer into my mind and read my thoughts, he couldn't check that. And even if he could, it'd come back as the truth considering there's nobody who doesn't have a reason to scum-hunt in this game.

Epignosis wrote:Nobody is lynching you Day 4. Everybody is lynching Quin.

oh

Sorsha wrote:

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:DDL, I've noticed a trend of you being obscure and do think you need to be lynched soon.

Snow Dog same thing, but it's only been a single post that directly rubbed me the wrong way. Overall I don't think this is the same civvy Snow Dog I saw in monkey Island. @LC I'd like your opinion on this.

Definitely not the same Snow Dog that we saw in Monkey Island. I have already given an opinion on his play:

Long Con wrote:I am suspicious of Snow Dog because of his drastically different playstyle. He wants to go fast and loose this game, carefree and a bit chaotic. It's a fine choice, and one that a Civ might make to survive longer (because who wants to nightkill the court jester? He's no threat...), but my other feeling is a bit stronger, that he is a baddie that wants to avoid a lynch by acting that way. It's really hard to separate truly suspicious behaviour from fun chaos behaviour. Which would be the point. It's not nearly enough for me to advocate Snow Dog's lynch though... and anyway, I owe him for our last game together, and I want to follow through on that.

A question to everyone: do you think Dom lie-detected Quin as bad, or was he just upset about his lynch and lashing out at the stand-out vote? I can understand the idea that a baddie Quin would vote off the main wagon under normal circumstances (as in: a lynch that had some voting variety), but I'm not sure that Quin's DDL vote warranted that accusation from Dom.

If you have the time, I'd recommend you go through my posts and see if you can pick out anything that Dom could have checked that would incriminate me. I don't think you'd be able to. As for my voting off the main wagons - that's just me. As a civ, I did it in Red vs Blue, and as a baddie, I did it in Mad Max. It's as 3J calls it 'a convenient meta'.

I did go through your posts looking for a detectable statement. There was at least once where you said "I'm a civ" but it was in a longer sentence which could have possibly made it a non-detectable. One thing I did notice was you pointing out a statement Epi made for Josephine to detect... if you were concerned about her getting a detectable statement I wonder why you didn't make a clear one for her.

Just going off my experience with the role, 'I'm a civ' wouldn't have been detectable.

I assume that this is the post that you're referring to about Epi:
Which was referencing the part I coloured blue - it was a joke. Making a lie detectable statement wasn't a concern for me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey Quin

Sorry for saying I'd ignore you. I realized that's a jerk thing to do. No point in that.

Please link three posts from you/anyone else you want me to respond. No more than that. I will not respond everything people asked me in the entire game, don't bother.

I'll give you some stuff to talk about later.






And I'm gonna go visit the creepy Doctor (not Wilgy)

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:DDL, I've noticed a trend of you being obscure and do think you need to be lynched soon.

Snow Dog same thing, but it's only been a single post that directly rubbed me the wrong way. Overall I don't think this is the same civvy Snow Dog I saw in monkey Island. @LC I'd like your opinion on this.

Definitely not the same Snow Dog that we saw in Monkey Island. I have already given an opinion on his play:

Long Con wrote:I am suspicious of Snow Dog because of his drastically different playstyle. He wants to go fast and loose this game, carefree and a bit chaotic. It's a fine choice, and one that a Civ might make to survive longer (because who wants to nightkill the court jester? He's no threat...), but my other feeling is a bit stronger, that he is a baddie that wants to avoid a lynch by acting that way. It's really hard to separate truly suspicious behaviour from fun chaos behaviour. Which would be the point. It's not nearly enough for me to advocate Snow Dog's lynch though... and anyway, I owe him for our last game together, and I want to follow through on that.

A question to everyone: do you think Dom lie-detected Quin as bad, or was he just upset about his lynch and lashing out at the stand-out vote? I can understand the idea that a baddie Quin would vote off the main wagon under normal circumstances (as in: a lynch that had some voting variety), but I'm not sure that Quin's DDL vote warranted that accusation from Dom.

If you have the time, I'd recommend you go through my posts and see if you can pick out anything that Dom could have checked that would incriminate me. I don't think you'd be able to. As for my voting off the main wagons - that's just me. As a civ, I did it in Red vs Blue, and as a baddie, I did it in Mad Max. It's as 3J calls it 'a convenient meta'.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:This game is giving me flash backs to Turf Wars.

We're still doing better then that game.

I mean technically we're only two civs down, one mafia member, then another three unknowns. So I'd say we're doing pretty good. Also who knows maybe I'll have another god like meta/gut read I can talk about next phase.

If not? Then I've got no idea who we should lynch.

I was more-so referring to the atomic bomb of suspicion I'm anticipating coming into the next day phase

I don't think you're all that suspicious. Why do you think you're suspicious? Guilty conscience?

When the lie detector goes down screaming that I'm bad, one has to wonder about the implication that that's going to have one people's read of me.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I want to cool off before tomorrows onslaught

And if you want to start talking to me again: A good place for you to start would be by addressing those points I just made against you. Let's have the conversation I've been waiting to have since Day 1.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I announce that from now on I'll ignore every post you make, at the risk of this turning into something ugly.

Feel free to keep voting for me until the end of time. I don't care.

This is a completely pointless endeavor for a civ. Contrary to what you think, I'm not just voting you over and over based on some tunnel read. I think you're bad. Prove me wrong.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote: - As far as I can recall, you never addressed any of the concerns that anybody had of you in the early game. You don't deserve to be left alone./quote]

I adressed some concerns, and ignored a bunch of other ones. I don't have the time or the energy to reply to a bunch of posts that say the same things with slightly different words. Cry me a river.

Quin wrote:- Eloh had nothing to do with my case-making against you on Day 2. Cut that out.

No, but it has to do with that sorry excuse of a case you tried to build for me on day 3, and which you quickly tried to turn into a case on Eloh once it failed.

Quin wrote: - I called you out on because you were literally doing the exact same thing that you accused me of doing, in that very same post.

I accused you of fabricating cases on the fly. You have yet to defend yourself from that.

Okay. I am not fabricating cases on the fly. Glad we had that conversation.

If there's no personal problems, then 'You have lost all value you could possibly have as a player' was a completely unnecessary thing to say.

I'm probably not in a great mood right now either, so I apologise. I'll just try and put this as plainly as I can, and I'll probably elaborate tomorrow morning.


I found your original case against me disingenuous, and your justification that you 'accuse first, research later' didn't sit well with me. Others brought up good points against you, none of which I can recall you ever discussing - instead you just continued throwing out your opinions on other topics. That's kamikaze play, and I don't know how to read that.

I didn't let it go on Day 2 specifically because you hadn't discussed the case against you.

We've been in this massive beef since where we're both accusing each other of OMGUSing one another. I don't think your accusations against me hold weight specifically because you've done the same things.

1. You accused me of twisting conversations into a reason to suspect someone. The context behind that was me asking you a question.
2. You accused me of ignoring your case, much like I said about you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Either you are bad, or your jimmies are so violently rustled from the fact I suspected you on day 1 that you have decided to abandon all rational thought and keep pushing until one of us break. You have lost all value you could possibly have as a player.

Go to the MoD if you've got a personal problem with me Luffy. I know you do, because this isn't the first time you've tried to have a go. But don't turn this game into some personal attack against my playing it.

Alright. Now I know you're full of shit; because now you're trying to purposely misconstrue the sequence of events to misrepresent me.

- As far as I can recall, you never addressed any of the concerns that anybody had of you in the early game. You don't deserve to be left alone.

- Eloh had nothing to do with my case-making against you on Day 2. Cut that out.

- I called you out on because you were literally doing the exact same thing that you accused me of doing, in that very same post.

You can call it what you like, but don't pretend I'm a brick wall who's not listening to what you're saying, because I'm the only one of us who's actually tried to interact with the other person.

Funny.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:Guess who I'm voting for?


Not Dom.

I don't think Not Dom will end up lynched, but why do you suspect him?...because I'm bad.

He just comes across as completely disingenuous in - I can't do this

I'll probably vote DDL again. Him being all but cleared on one baddie team does not a civ make. Lately he's accused me of doing the exact same thing that he did, being that he tried to spin conversations into a cause to suspect someone.

Here's a post for reference:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote:If DDL says there wasn't much there then he's full of it. But rather than me butcher a cliff notes version, I think you should come back to it when you're feeling better and have the time to read.

Why don't you read what I said and talk about it, instead of quoting what Eloh said about what I said, then using it to say I'm full of shit?

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hey, Elo, Quin, it's night time! Lots of time to take some more measured steps forward in the game.

Nuh-uh. It's eight in the morning and I'm not doing shit until I've finished my coffee.

If she's wrong, then Eloh just tried to misconstrue the effort that you went to in your catch up. How do you feel about that?

I've thought about this question. I think Elo's remark shows just laziness from her part (or being busy IRL, or whatever). She just didn't memorize what I said and didn't bother to check. There's hardly an attempt to indict me because such a thing would backfire.

I'm more worried about what could be an attempt from you to create suspicion on me based on what she said, and when that doesn't work, create suspicion on her. You seem far too eager to find someone with malicious intentions in this conversation.

And now I'm accusing you of refusing to defend yourself from my accusations.

Yet another ironic accusation considering you completely ignored my case building on Day 2.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:This game is giving me flash backs to Turf Wars.

We're still doing better then that game.

I mean technically we're only two civs down, one mafia member, then another three unknowns. So I'd say we're doing pretty good. Also who knows maybe I'll have another god like meta/gut read I can talk about next phase.

If not? Then I've got no idea who we should lynch.

I was more-so referring to the atomic bomb of suspicion I'm anticipating coming into the next day phase

This game is giving me flash backs to Turf Wars.

I should have just sheeped it.

Dom wrote:this is the biggest load of bullshit

Hey, at least I'm on your side

I'm getting a screenshot of this.

Literally what is this poll

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Merry christmas all.

I haven't read this day phase yet, so maybe Soneji has redeemed himself... but the sprit vote doesn't make him look any better to me.

Voting soneji, I look forward to my catch up on the other side of Christmas!

This, for starters. He doesn't say why voting for sprityo makes Soneji look bad.

Assuming this was before the Day 2 flip, I don't like it either. It reeks of foresight.

Epignosis wrote:This is the part where others chime in yay or nay

nay. haven't paid enough attention to the guy.

Elohcin wrote:I've been occupied all day with visiting family, but coming in late in the day, catching up, and seeing all these votes on Dom...this is what I see.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Shall I bus Dom?

Of course

Are you admitting to being on a team with Dom?

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm not sure why... I think it's because he defended sprityo? :shrugs:

and

Spacedaisy wrote:Well who else would you consider sig, same to you Wilgy?

Daisy's tone here sounds like she is trying to subtly defend Dom and lure players away from voting him. It's like what Quin did with Sprit.

Quin wrote:Guess who I'm voting for?


Not Dom.

If Dom is bad, this is strike 2 for you.

I've done pretty well so doing the opposite of Quin. I think I will try again. *voting Dom too*

Well look at you pointing fingers before there's even a flip. And nice to see you voting again with a justification that excludes your actual suspicion of the guy.

I get to have as many strikes as I want, Eloh, because I'm pretty sure you're bad.

I really am a special snowflake in the vote tally today, aren't I?

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:Guess who I'm voting for?


Not Dom.

I don't think Not Dom will end up lynched, but why do you suspect him?...because I'm bad.

He just comes across as completely disingenuous in - I can't do this

I'll probably vote DDL again. Him being all but cleared on one baddie team does not a civ make. Lately he's accused me of doing the exact same thing that he did, being that he tried to spin conversations into a cause to suspect someone.

Here's a post for reference:

Guess who I'm voting for?


Not Dom.

Soneji wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This will sound naturally suspicious coming from someone like me ( ) but I say there is a large number of people ruled out for this phase.

Rather than focus on sprityo's team, I would like to have a crack at the other. That's a good deal harder than finding teammates. So there's where my focus will be.

If there's no advancement to be had on that front, then fine lynch a sprityo teammate. I won't complain.

Why wouldn't you want to eliminate one of the teams as quickly as possible? Would make it so that there is a kill only every other phase.

Really busy today. The Dom wagon looks really solid based on JoH's and sig's posts, so that is where I will vote.

What's deterring you from voting LC, who you claimed to have read as moderate scum?

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

LoRab wrote:

I would like to point out that I would bet that the Lotab kill probably had someone involved in the decision who knew she was in Israel. Most likely a friend of hers, letting her enjoy her trip without worrying about mafia. Why else would a mafia team kill her when she is busy and fairly disengaged from the game?

Mr. Poe is a civilian.

This error looks good on Spacedaisy, because a member of Esme's team, the team that killed last night, would not make this error...as a baddie. It's not impossible that it's contrived - I don't read it that way at all though, but it's something that one could do...as a baddie.

Punishment, assumedly.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:

sprityo wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

Okay I somehow managed to miss eloh saying this and I agree with quin. This is lazy playing, an easy out.

This is interesting from Quin, some soft defense of Sprityo and quin was on another wagon. Which could have taken off.

I think the troupe was trying to avoid being on the same vote as Sprityo, since that would have put them under fire if/when Sprityo flipped. So instead they low key defended him/attacked people who were agaisnt him and joined other or started potential wagons.

It wasn't a soft defence. I made it pretty blatant over the course of the day that I opposed the main reason people were piling votes on sprityo. If you're gonna throw a case at me, make it hurt.

Quin likes it when you make it hurt apparently.

oopsie daisy