The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:No, I am not in agreement about ika. I think,faced with a CFD wagon, they would have tried to direct the counter lynch away from another baddie. They could have went to Epi, or even gleam before his votes evaporated.

@Quin, I did not have a good read for Scotty. But YOU saying he is bad makes me think he must not be, lol, get it?

S~V~S wrote:

Quin wrote:Who likes rainbows?

The asterix's are there on players who I feel like they aren't saying enough for me to get a read on them. It might have something to do with timezone differences but I'm just not feeling the same presence for them as I am for other players

The names are in no particular order, either.

Epignosis
Silverwolf

indiglo
chaindeath
Turniphead
sig

a2thezebra
agleaminranks*
Boomslang*
Draconus*
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0
metalmarsh89
S~V~S
Serge*
Soneji*
ika

thellama73
Sloonei
Nerolunar

Golden
Scotty

Let's compare.

Wow. The fact that you rate Scotty as the baddest of the bad makes me want to trust him more. Which in turn makes me realize how I actually feel about you.

I was figuring I would switch to you or Serge towards eod,but you forced my hand Quin

What has chaindeath said to make you trust him?

a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head
Scotty
thellama73
Nerolunar
sig

Silverwolf
indiglo
agleaminranks
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Serge
Quin
Golden
Sloonei
S~V~S

chaindeath
Draconus
Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0

Epignosis
ika

Scotty wrote:

Quin wrote:Who likes rainbows?

The asterix's are there on players who I feel like they aren't saying enough for me to get a read on them. It might have something to do with timezone differences but I'm just not feeling the same presence for them as I am for other players

The names are in no particular order, either.

Epignosis
Silverwolf

indiglo
chaindeath
Turniphead
sig

a2thezebra
agleaminranks*
Boomslang*
Draconus*
Dragon D. Luffy
Matt 2.0
metalmarsh89
S~V~S
Serge*
Soneji*
ika

thellama73
Sloonei
Nerolunar

Golden
Scotty

Let's compare.

I'm glad I'm at the bottom of your list but you are voting for someone who you have no read on.
You never did say why you were voting Draconus. Just because of reasons, right?

Matt wrote:

ika wrote:

Matt wrote:Honestly I'm kind of confused as to why MP said not to talk about anything before 1.0 died, as I had no info then and have no info now.

Derp.

Anyway, I was convinced Golden was part of the Crew that burned me. If he's not, then my suss on Golden goes back to full force.

But let's get ika first!

What happens after i flip town?

how come you never adressed my responses?

whats your take on sig and silverwolf

I think sig is bad. Luffy's quotes about sig's flip floppiness was the clincher, but he's most assuredly going to get lynched today, good for him. However, I don't want to forget about you or your slip.

Quin wrote:My vote will be going to Draconus and It will not move. I do not recommend anybody follow suit.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

Note that before EoD3 sig had nothing of value to say about me, and after I saved him was when the scum-reads came out.

Gun to head, has your view on sig changed or would you still civ read him?

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

Yes, if I were bad with sig, I be spanking sig and sending him to the corner, but not until after I nailed Fuzz to the cross for somehow getting himself lynched in the last 30 minutes of the day when he'd had like zero or no votes.

But Mafia don't use their chat as much as you would think they would.

Well okay Epi remind me to never be on a mafia team with you, I don't like to get spanked not kinky at all. :P
If I was mafia which I'm not and even if my team was inactive I'd never have tried to save Fuzz that close to the deadline. I'd have been on board for the CFD and maybe tried to redirect it a bit. However, I wouldn't have been so outspoken agaisnt it.

Golden wrote:Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

or C we are both civ and Quin saved me since he is reading me as civ
D Quin did nothing and something else happened to save me.

linki: It wasn't scum reads though, I was providing potential scenarios and still have mainly defended you saving me.

Golden wrote:Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

agleaminranks wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm sticking with sig for now.

I'm guessing that the baddies may have figured out who both dons are now, unless there is a doctor or other way of protecting people out there somewhere.

These are my thoughts as well. I'm guessing that right now the only way for the dons to go is to get lynch, which doesn't bode well for the civs here.

I think we need to pay close attention to patterns in lynch votes to find our cops.

Nerolunar wrote:So much to read through. I realized that I forgot to vote in the poll - for the record I would have voted for Chaindeath.

I don´t feel good about Quin anymore. If he did in fact loan a vote its not unlikely that he used it to save Sig - they were also the ones(and Sloonei to a lesser extent) who opposed the CFD. I believe that they are on a team together. If Sig is scum then Golden is probably civ.

I do really think that Chaindeath is scum too. He is my strongest scum read for multiple reasons that I have already stated, and Im surprised that no one seems to agree with me.

I understand why you guys think that I am not contributing as much as I could - its mostly due to the fact that almost every time a cycle ends there are +7 pages to read, and reading that much doesn´t make me want to write huge analysises, especially not on some of the more complicated subjects. Im choosing my fights as I feel like.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:On a more game related note, I'm still waiting for clarification on whether I can talk about my loaned vote repayment without it being classed as info dumping, but even if I can't I think people will be able to figure out what it is.

was it the bad cup of coffee?

Sloonei wrote:My thoughts on Gleam this game are like this:


The blue paddle is a town read, the red paddle is a scum read, and the ball is what I'm thinking.

Silverwolf wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Oh wait-I keep forgetting about Gleam. I don't like it when I forget about people.

I should elaborate on this by saying that once suspicion dropped off him, he started lying low somewhat and that concerns me.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:That was supposed to be an OT, not a quote. plz 4giv

Quin

By the way, if we're doing custom smilies I demand a ping pong paddle smilie.

ika wrote:

Quin wrote:

ika wrote:

Quin wrote:
Ugh, can't you let me scum read you in peace, ika? Why'd you have to say that? Now I'm confused.

what are you confused about?

i cant let you do read me in peace. im noisy

I got a pretty good civ-read from you after you brought up that point on your own.

I wish I could do a rainbow list, but there are so many players yet to distinguish themselves I feel like there's going to be a lot of neutral players on it.

i would do it anyways. maybe we can all do it and compare and make a town bloc

Silverwolf wrote:I'm just gonna repeat what I've been saying for awhile. Since I have a townread on most of the active players posting, and I don't have super strong scumreads right now, I think scum are among the inactives. That's the first place I'm looking next day.

ika wrote:

Quin wrote:
Ugh, can't you let me scum read you in peace, ika? Why'd you have to say that? Now I'm confused.

what are you confused about?

i cant let you do read me in peace. im noisy

ika wrote:

Quin wrote:

Hey, I'm not complaining. But take this into account: At one point, I seem to remember Silver saying something along the lines of 'ika is the kind of mafia member who just does his own thing'. If I'm wrong about my memory, this whole hypothetical is moot, but I'll run with it until told otherwise.

At the end of the day, it was going to be either ika or fuzz that got lynched. Is it a stretch to consider that ika used a loaned vote to sacrifice Fuzz for the sake of self-preservation? The bandwagons for fuzz would probably have kept coming if ika was lynched, but with fuzz lynched, there's not a single person voting for ika right now. I think that's mostly owing to the fact that there's dispute on whether people are suspicious of ika or if they just don't understand him. If that's the case, it's not all that stupid a move to make.

Here, Silver. Pardon me if you've already commented on this, but I don't think you ever did. Either way, I'd like your most recent thoughts on whether this is a viable scenario.

its very viable, i would not put it past myself to bus someone as such.

Hey, I'm not complaining. But take this into account: At one point, I seem to remember Silver saying something along the lines of 'ika is the kind of mafia member who just does his own thing'. If I'm wrong about my memory, this whole hypothetical is moot, but I'll run with it until told otherwise.

At the end of the day, it was going to be either ika or fuzz that got lynched. Is it a stretch to consider that ika used a loaned vote to sacrifice Fuzz for the sake of self-preservation? The bandwagons for fuzz would probably have kept coming if ika was lynched, but with fuzz lynched, there's not a single person voting for ika right now. I think that's mostly owing to the fact that there's dispute on whether people are suspicious of ika or if they just don't understand him. If that's the case, it's not all that stupid a move to make.

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:There's a paranoid part of me that wonders why Sloonei is still in the game, being super obvious town.

However, in a game like this, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I also find it odd that LC is suspecting Quin but also voting with Quin on Nerolunar.

I can understand the sig suspicion based on his reaction to Fuzz lynch, but again, this just seems too obvious to me.

I'm kind of frustrated that I think we are on the wrong track and scum are flying under the radar successfully while we are going after active posters who could very well be town, and not forcing scum to answer for their inactivity.

Has anyone noticed sonjei has only 3 posts in this game and they are all crap? He was an ika voter as well.

This is the worst one.

There has been literally only one chance at a nightkill since EOD2, at which point sloonei became 'superobvious town' (except for the fact that he was taking suspicion from a number of people). Why would you be surprised to see him alive?

Why is something obvious likely to be 'too obvious'? Why isn't it likely to be just what it looks like?

I've begun to see a very strong pattern from silverwolf of opposing what I'd call 'prevailing wisdom' and trying to push for less obvious/less likely explanations. The same thing I'm seeing for sig.

Despite that... she votes for LC. A person whose vote is frankly just as scummy-looking as sigs. If it wouldn't be as obvious as sig, why would it be as obvious as LC?

OK, I found this and the fact that you declared me a teammate to sig and I have to say Golden, as nice of a person as you seem to be, your play is starting to annoy me.

You seem to see everything as black and white. If RadicalFuzz is scum, then anyone defending him must be a teammate. If I think sig is town and don't want to lynch him, he must be bad and I must be a teammate. You refuse to consider that town can be wrong. You refuse to consider that RadicalFuzz could of been bussed. You are also assuming those on the ika train were bad as well when it is perfectly reasonable to assume they were wrong town. Or it is even possible ika is scum. I mean, I'm leaning that he isn't based on RadicalFuzz's vote on him and his pushing the RadicalFuzz lynch, but ika hard core busses as scum so I'm not going to rule it out until I see more of his D3 play and see him contributing to the game more. But you've alread assumed he's town and you are making some sort of crazy assumption that I'm trying to get him to townread me based on me defending him or pushing the lynch on Fuzz-I got this from a previous post of yours. What you don't seem to understand is that ika can almost always accurately read me because he has played many games with me and knows how I behave because we have discussed our game meta before in past conversations. Is it possible for us to fool one another? Yes. Is it likely? Not really.

Now, As far as me going against the prevailing wisdom. Yes, I will do this. If I think town is on the wrong track, I will try to steer them onto the correct one. I consider it far more scum than town to just go along with popular opinion, get the easy mislynch, and avoid drawing suspicion to yourself. I have no idea why scum would always try to stand out like a sore thumb and argue against popular lynches if they aren't falling on scum. I thought town was wrong on quin, Nero, and sig. I think scum is lying low and getting away from it. So I voiced my opinion. I want my opinion on this known.

I'll give you another example. We had a really good player on MS who would often lead mislynches on town as town. You wanna know why? Because he would tunnel and get into confbias and once he declarded someone scum, he would rarely if ever let it go. It was detrimental to town. Town should always be willing to reconsider their reads based on new info. You can into D2 with absolute certainty that a certain few people were scum and a certain few people were town. Without being will to reconsider and look at ALL possibilities, you are headed for a disaster. I can't tell you how many times I've seen scum get away or town die for exactly your line of thinking. I mean, it was at the point I was scumreading you for it because of the immediate lining up lynches mentality based on a single flip. If you play this game like it's black and white, you will very likely lose. I've seen it happen far too often.

Golden wrote:Also, although Quin made me feel a lot better, his choice of vote does not. His vote could potentially be a sig save.

Scotty wrote:I don't know what to say. My viewpoint hasn't changed.
Quin pushed the LC vote with his vote loan. And even though he said he took the loan for self-preservation, he saved sig.

I mean, it looks pretty blatant. Those 2 are a team. And gleam, I still haven't forgotten about your wall "case" against me. I'll address that at some point in the night I guess.

I'm just pissed because I don't think we learned anything this lynch in regards to the people we have been pressuring over the last day. Like, the LC vote came out of nowhere.

Grrr

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

sig wrote:Okay one of the people defending me might be bad, they knew I would flip civ and thus give them civvie points. A few people have done this in the past. I don't like scotty's last post which Zebra mentioned. And for the faces I was building suspense since I was bored.

Did you buy votes?

Is that something we're allowed to claim?

Sure, at your own risk.

Turnip Head wrote:

sig wrote:Okay one of the people defending me might be bad, they knew I would flip civ and thus give them civvie points. A few people have done this in the past. I don't like scotty's last post which Zebra mentioned. And for the faces I was building suspense since I was bored.

Did you buy votes?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And if I don't want to eat my broccoli, then I won't I tell you!

Oh, you'll eat your broccoli. You'll eat it, and you'll like it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:I take no responsibility for whatever happens next. Unless LC is lynched, of course.

Why are you yelling at me?

a2thezebra wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:A Sig baddie lynch would be a strong indicator for Golden being town.

And it could be argued that getting a realiable read on Golden is more useful to town on the long run than lynching a baddie, imo.

I would like to see that argument.

A Scum Golden who can't be read is a steamroll waiting to happen.

I don't think I'm lynching Sig today, though.

A steamroll indeed it is. But is a reliable read on Golden (which in itself is nowhere near gained from a fucking sig baddie lynch) really preferable to baddie death?

Matt wrote:Well, gotta go. Don't know if I want to keep my vote on Long Con or go back to sig.

I trust Golden, let's go sig.

Peace

Turnip Head wrote:

Quin wrote:Interesting note that everyone I've had not-so-good reads about so far is voting for sig. Except indiglo, he's civ.

All the cool kids are voting Long Con. #freesig2016

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Zebra I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't address you with the same concerns that I addressed in Scotty's case. Your really minimalist game style is... I don't know if I would say pinging me, but it worries me how little of a read I can get on you.

Excellent, that's the idea.

So you want to be difficult to read? If you were a civilian, how would this help your case?

What case? The answer is in the post you're responding to right here.

Why should I vote for Long Con and not for Nerolunar?

You were already voting for Long Con so you should ask yourself that question

That was an early day pressure vote. I liked his response today, but I had not changed my vote.

Linki: indiglo is a fine missus.