The Syndicate

well howdy doo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Talk about me as long as you like today. I won't be engaging in any such discussion. That is my decree, here here.

Good. I don't want that anyway. Reads.

I'm also not going to spew out last ditch posts as though I were sitting on the chopping block.

What exactly are you going to do?

Scum hunt.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Talk about me as long as you like today. I won't be engaging in any such discussion. That is my decree, here here.

Good. I don't want that anyway. Reads.

I'm also not going to spew out last ditch posts as though I were sitting on the chopping block.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:3J, is there a chance you were role blocked on Night 2?

There's a chance. It depends upon sprityo's handling of roleblocks. My result was specifically that Long Con did not visit anyone, but I'm open to the possibility of a roleblock.

Can you confirm how you handle role blocks, sprityo?

Talk about me as long as you like today. I won't be engaging in any such discussion. That is my decree, here here.

3J, is there a chance you were role blocked on Night 2?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:Vote Quin

wtf is this

I have been near the only topic of Discussion for the past 48 hours. Keeping me alive is only going to prolong that shit.

Lynching yourself is going to bring us a step closer to LyLo if you're a civilian. I know how you might feel, I've been there, but it's not helpful.

I made a point that we needed to stop talking about me 24 hours ago, and now I'm on the chopping block again. My doctor claim is now being argued to be mafia aligned with tinfoil theories that explain it. Just get it over with, seriously.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

Could be. If the corrupted jury isn't the gun, why did Sloonei have a gun today?

\_(:T)_/

Do you see what I am getting at here?

Yes. But I think you're wrong. You're set on thinking it's one or the other.

What's your proposed alternative?

A super spooky third role or mechanic.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:Vote Quin

wtf is this

I have been near the only topic of Discussion for the past 48 hours. Keeping me alive is only going to prolong that shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

Could be. If the corrupted jury isn't the gun, why did Sloonei have a gun today?

\_(:T)_/

Do you see what I am getting at here?

Yes. But I think you're wrong. You're set on thinking it's one or the other.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

Could be. If the corrupted jury isn't the gun, why did Sloonei have a gun today?

\_(:T)_/

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?

Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.

The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.

That I'm "painting myself" (ugh) as more integral than I was.

LITERALLY one vote less and MM would have walked. EVERY vote was integral.

Your vote was not made with the thought that it needed to be made to ensure that somebody was lynched. This is not an argument you have the credibility to make, because you weren't around to witness EoD.

speedchuck wrote:Then where the heck did the gun come from?

Not Long Con.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.

The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.

What I mean is that Long Con claimed to give Sloonei a thing that we know for sure he had. The night of the claim is aligned. So: if Long Con didn't give that gun to Sloonei, the voting public did. Do you believe that the corrupted jury is the gun?

No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.

As confident as a read can be without information.

I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.

Me three

I do not share or understand why you have this level of confidence. I imagine you've figured out her role for some reason. The one I have in mind for her could be of either alignment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.

The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

And there is no possible way that a third party could have altered things? None?

You targeted Sloonei to give him a gun. Sloonei received a gun. Jay tracked you. You did no such thing.

It's not a matter of being role blocked or misdirected. Unless I pull some role I've never heard of out of my ass, there's no explanation for why this is the case.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

juliets wrote:I will go back to Quin since people see a case on top of my knowledge but I don't want to hammer.

I don't see a case.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?

Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.

The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:We need to see the votes - are we tied?

If I was right all along about Quin I'm going to be very frustrated.

Jack was town... was that whole ordeal town-town? I doubt it, at this stage of the game. MM is the only baddie we've got, right?

I have no idea how this sentence links together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

juliets wrote:We need to see the votes - are we tied?

If I was right all along about Quin I'm going to be very frustrated.

You initially voted me because you were confident that there is a contradiction in my claim which makes me bad. You are currently voting for Soneji with no such evidence, while Long Con is in a very similar position to me.

I think he is your teammate.

juliets is a civilian. Book it.

Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?

juliets wrote:We need to see the votes - are we tied?

If I was right all along about Quin I'm going to be very frustrated.

You initially voted me because you were confident that there is a contradiction in my claim which makes me bad. You are currently voting for Soneji with no such evidence, while Long Con is in a very similar position to me.

I think he is your teammate.

LC was not there*

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm willing to reconsider. I don't have any reads worth a damn. Convince me, LC. Were you instrumental in getting MM lynched?

Yes. Each of the five votes for MM were essential. One missing, and he would have walked.

Your vote was placed hours before the EoD madness occurred and you were there at the end to witness it. There not being a lynch at all was not a real concern for you.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm willing to reconsider. I don't have any reads worth a damn. Convince me, LC. Were you instrumental in getting MM lynched?

Yes. Each of the five votes for MM were essential. One missing, and he would have walked.

Why were you specifically instrumental to the case? What did you bring to the table?

Golden wrote:Ugh, another unexpected meeting

I see a bandwagon has formed on LC. I don't think that's the right way to go.

I'll vote for soneji over LC if that's what it's coming down too. Has everyone but me moved away from Quin? Will have to look and see what others have said about our engagement earlier. I really don't like it one bit.

Oh, I bet.

Fredwood wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?

A role discrepancy that has existed all day.

Quin and Soenji's votes I get, they're likely axed if they don't team up to vote out the other guy. The other players willingness to follow is a bit huh?

Is the case against Long Con a bit huh?

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?

A role discrepancy that has existed all day.

Yes, maybe we'd have noticed it earlier and we weren't all busy talking about a certain other thing

Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?

sprityo wrote:Dysleixcon

the irony

Sloonei wrote:CliffNotes reasons to suspect Long Con: he claimed to have given me the gun on Night 2 after I had moved my focus onto him, despite there being no strong in-thread evidence to suggest I was on his townie radar at that point, and some evidence which even suggests I wasn't. I also have doubts that the gun was the gift of an individual player. Combine that with the fact of Jay's night 2 results: Long Con targeted no one. It looks like Long Con just pulled saved himself from being shot by lying through his teeth. Or fingers. Whatever.
I think he's bad and I think Soneji is bad too. Quin or Golden might be, I don't wish to offer a read on them right now though.

I could vote Long Con.

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.

Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.

I'm not your teammate. I suggested a CFD on you.

juliets wrote:I may change my vote but for the moment I'm going to

Vote Quin

If he gets lynched and is town I will expect to get lynched after him.

When I'm lynched I expect you to name the other doctor. I don't believe you haven't ruled out redundancy.

someone got a tally?

Scotty wrote:So....

Just to clarify for people-

I havent felt the need to activate yet because of my time constraints. If I activate and it's me, 2 other civs and 2 mafia left, town loses.


Oh, and I'm tempted to believe Mp on his claim. Welcome Mp!

I feel like Golden could very well be bad too, but I'm voting for Soneji because I think his popping in right before Sloonei said he was about to pull the trigger is a ponderface.

Still not feeling great about juliets yet either

I would recommend you activate it if you intend on trying to spearhead discussion. That's the greatest benefit of the stump role. Otherwise, your vote is probably more valuable.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Quin wrote:Dizzy has sat out of the majority of the discussion on me. There are probably others. At each and every one of them.

Lynch Quin

Perfect

Dizzy has sat out of the majority of the discussion on me. There are probably others. At each and every one of them.

Golden wrote:I also survived phases of townie Jay in Economics.

I did kill him in the end, though it secured my end game.

I killed him in the end too. I could not deal with supatown Sloonei and 3J at the same time.

Soneji wrote:

Quin wrote:On that note, a legacy post:

Only cowards kill a confirmed town JaggedJimmyJay.

I can say that I dealt with a confirmed JJJ for over seven cycles in Turf Wars as scum and won. Worship me

Your cleared 3J was obviously a pro-town independent with a win condition

My cleared 3J was a bona fide townie doctor.

On that note, a legacy post:

Only cowards kill a confirmed town JaggedJimmyJay.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright now what's going on with votes and stuff. Clue me in. Should I vote for someone, even though I'm pretty much uninformed? If so, whom?

3J is a confirmed civ, so preferably not him.

I think speedchuck posted a list of said claims, actually.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What immediate concerns or questions can I address?

Who did Eloh target night one. Fredwood, Jay, or other?

Technically other.

I would be happy to elaborate, I think, but I need to see what the answers to these are first:

1) Did Elo give information about her/my role in thread?
2) Would sharing my role information via just vomiting everything I know be helpful to the town cause?
3) How many people have role claimed versus not?
4) If the answer to 3 is at least 1, can someone post a listing of these role claims?

Eloh was not the redirector, I guess.

Fredwood wrote:

juliets wrote:
Quin is saying that because of your stance that there can be no redundancies, and Quin autopsies as the town odd night doctor, that then you must lynch the town odd night doctor that you are claiming to know the existence of, because the same argument would hold true for them.

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation. Actually, my stance isn't that there can be no redundancies. I think Soneji and Golden said in a CF game anything is possible including overlap that screws with claiming. So, that looks like it's possible.

Soneji, I have been more concerned with whether or not Quin is falsifying his claim because the Golden stuff just came up this afternoon and I've not had a chance to read over Golden's posts. The Quin information has been with me since yesterday when I clarified a point with the hosts.

If people for the most part feel like Quin is genuine then I think it's safest to assume there is redundancy or there's an alternative I'm not thinking of because of my lack of experience with this. I don't want someone to be lynched based on my lack of experience.

No, I meant if the deciding factor in your reason to lynch Quin...I wasn't agreeing with what was said, was explaining it. There are other reasons to suspect Quin then the claim, but the claim makes them hard to ignore.

Also, I don't know if anyone else thinks quin is genuine, I'm the only one really having a hard time connecting the cognitive dots for a reason for the claim.

Right now I think we have what 4 votes on Soneji (Sloonei, Speed, JJJ Scotty)

and 3 on quin? (Straw, Golden, and you? Did you vote)

2 on Golden (Soneji, Quin)...

I hope more people don't just jump on Soenji like Scotty did with hard lynch being only 7.[/quote]

I will likely vote Soneji to save myself. But with so many other protective roles maybe not. Depends on whether I anticipate everyone wasting more of their time talking about me.

Strawhenge wrote:

Quin wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:

Quin wrote:No, I get it. A doctor that can't block their own kill.


lol

Dunno if you're being sarcastic because them letters ain't orangelike, but...aren't doctors of any alignment usually unable to self-target?

He's saying this in relation to the nutella kill, so not sure what self-targeting has to do with it.

Misunderstood 'block their own kill' as 'block themselves from being killed'. Carry on.

I'm running out of energy. The baddies are absolutely loving today.

juliets wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

juliets wrote:

Quin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Quin wrote:

juliets wrote:And I'll also say I'd like to believe your claim is true, and I've tried today to think of ways that it could be true but I just can't come up with anything other than we have a redundancy.

If you aren't the doctor yourself, and you're under the impression there are two identical roles, why are you so sure I'm the one who is lying?

There are two things that could be true here and you not be lying: 1.) it's a redundancy. 2.) my lack of experience with this type of game set up is precluding me from seeing a way what I know to be true and you being an odd night doctor could simultaneously be true. I tried to clarify what I know to be true further with the hosts but as I said earlier today, they said it would be cheating for them to clarify any further than they've done.

If you don't go balls to the wall against this second doctor after my flip, you are bad.

I don't understand what this means. As I said, it could be that my inexperience with this set up is blinding me to an alternative I can't think of.

linki

Quin is saying that because of your stance that there can be no redundancies, and Quin autopsies as the town odd night doctor, that then you must lynch the town odd night doctor that you are claiming to know the existence of, because the same argument would hold true for them.

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation. Actually, my stance isn't that there can be no redundancies. I think Soneji and Golden said in a CF game anything is possible including overlap that screws with claiming. So, that looks like it's possible.

Soneji, I have been more concerned with whether or not Quin is falsifying his claim because the Golden stuff just came up this afternoon and I've not had a chance to read over Golden's posts. The Quin information has been with me since yesterday when I clarified a point with the hosts.

If people for the most part feel like Quin is genuine then I think it's safest to assume there is redundancy or there's an alternative I'm not thinking of because of my lack of experience with this. I don't want someone to be lynched based on my lack of experience.

You heavily implied you don't believe that there are redundancies. You rekindled your idea that I'm lying because of my answer as to whether it was a possibility.

Strawhenge wrote:

Quin wrote:No, I get it. A doctor that can't block their own kill.


lol

Dunno if you're being sarcastic because them letters ain't orangelike, but...aren't doctors of any alignment usually unable to self-target?

He's saying this in relation to the nutella kill, so not sure what self-targeting has to do with it.