The Syndicate

I am feeling trapped
I have no better option
[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:42 pm I'm not tinfoiling.

And It was really kinda funny, Boomslang at 5:01, "Bob", then you at 5:02, "Bob". I never said I thought you were on a team with Sloonei.

And as I have said all game long, we are all working on supposition, we don't actually *know* anything. In light of roles like Nutellas and LC's, we can't even be 100% on flips. And I strongly dislike people discounting thread work becasue it does not fit a mechanics construct that is only hypothetical. One of the games I hosted, Dogma, is a game that I know to have been one of Goldens faves (and that Juliets co hosted). It included an entire dead team the rest of the thread knew nothing about, it include merged bad teams, it included a shitton of chaos. Golden likes the mystery, not the predictability.

So if I think someone is bad, I don't appreciate it being blown off becasue it doesn't fit someone elses hypothetical construct. I will take the constructinto account, but it won't trump threadwork in this mechanics scenario.

Game of Champions
Is designed from the past year
Please remember that

Almost broke haiku
To tell you this in more words
Will explain later

Don't want to lynch Kyle
But stats are not in favour
Of him being good

Epi and Scotty
Are both viable suspects
To read tomorrow

I have a theory
About Sloonei and Daisy
Will not vote for them

If we believe that
Each team started with three scum
Both can't be evens

Sloonei's cryptic posts
therefore do not make any sense
From a scum mindset

"I'll bring up before
but not contribute myself"
What the heck is that

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:01 pm So... Are we just going to forget that we almost lynched cbob yesterday?

yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck
yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck
yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:41 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:33 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:30 pm Sloonei and Daisy
Read each other so highly
I want to know why
I just think she's good.
why why why why why
why why why why why why why
you know the drill, man
I assume roles were randomized.

what are your thoughts on Scotty vs Kyle vs Sloonei?
Do you think there are any strexcorp members left?

First I lynch Sloonei
If not, then I lynch Kylemii
Scotty brings the rear.

One Strex does remain
Wilgy, Marmot and LoRab
Three is too little

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:33 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:30 pm Sloonei and Daisy
Read each other so highly
I want to know why
I just think she's good.

why why why why why
why why why why why why why
you know the drill, man

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:48 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:59 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:35 am:/
Who else should we lynch?
if it weren't for the fact that I have 2 lives remaining I'd almost be okay with dying just for the PoE benefits. if everything we think we know is true then the real killer of sprityo has to be among you, epi, spacedaisy or Scotty.

My gut feeling says it's Scotty, if it's not him then my second guess would be you. You've been the one pushing the "it's probably Scotty or Kyle" narrative the hardest with relatively weak reasons for clearing spacedaisy, epi, and yourself.
Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot and somehow looked right past this.
I'm not going to offer reasons for clearing myself. That's not my job. The reason for clearing Epi is that he was instrumental in the cases against LC and nutella, as far as I can tell. I also truly do not believe that he would have killed sprityo there, and independent of all this, he is a strong town read.
I've been firmly town reading Daisy all game and nothing has really changed that. I really don't see her being bad either.

So it's you or Scotty, and Scotty is right up there with Epi and Daisy in the battle for my strongest town read if you take this whole POE thing out. So I'm landing on you, but I've also spent a good deal of time wondering aloud whether this path is really worth following. I still think it could be the case that the nightkills were not restricted to targets within a player's tribe.
Noone gets credit
For the lynching of Long Con
His death was fated
Fair 'nuff. How would you say he treated/was treated by LC and nutella in Pikachu?

And also he was still nutella's most vocal opponent after the tribal shuffle.

I don't remember
That said, I don't disagree
I town read Epi

Sloonei and Daisy
Read each other so highly
I want to know why

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:48 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:59 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:35 am:/
Who else should we lynch?
if it weren't for the fact that I have 2 lives remaining I'd almost be okay with dying just for the PoE benefits. if everything we think we know is true then the real killer of sprityo has to be among you, epi, spacedaisy or Scotty.

My gut feeling says it's Scotty, if it's not him then my second guess would be you. You've been the one pushing the "it's probably Scotty or Kyle" narrative the hardest with relatively weak reasons for clearing spacedaisy, epi, and yourself.
Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot and somehow looked right past this.
I'm not going to offer reasons for clearing myself. That's not my job. The reason for clearing Epi is that he was instrumental in the cases against LC and nutella, as far as I can tell. I also truly do not believe that he would have killed sprityo there, and independent of all this, he is a strong town read.
I've been firmly town reading Daisy all game and nothing has really changed that. I really don't see her being bad either.

So it's you or Scotty, and Scotty is right up there with Epi and Daisy in the battle for my strongest town read if you take this whole POE thing out. So I'm landing on you, but I've also spent a good deal of time wondering aloud whether this path is really worth following. I still think it could be the case that the nightkills were not restricted to targets within a player's tribe.

Noone gets credit
For the lynching of Long Con
His death was fated

To speak of Kylemii
I have requested a case
Yet to be impressed

Oh, to speak my truth
I trust Kyle more than Sloonei
My gut tells me no

To remind you all
Luffy's on his second role
Hence the janitor

Ironic, it is
Luffy dies when I decide
To flip that scum read

Friends, the time has come
Heed my words for they are art
Refrigerator

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 pm I'm really sorry abotu my inactivity this week guys. I'm having an insane week and I rewarded myself by going to my friend's house and playing with their puppy.

I have a 12 hour conference to attend tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:43 pm The downside with lynching Boomslang is that we could be creating more mafia by nature of the setup.
Serious question: let's say there's people with two lives left, but no mafia roles. Do you think the game ends?

Asked this already. It does.

my car wont start and I don't have discord on my phone so I can't whinge about it there so this game will do ARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

[VOTE: boomslang] aubergine methinks.

sprityo 1.0 was one of the front-of-mind players for me. He stood out as a player in the game. sprityo 2.0 doesn't feel the same way. I can't tell if there's a bias because of his Cecil confirmation or because there were less people on Pikachu. I'd like the OG Pikachu tribespeople to give some thoughts on that if they have any.

5 names on the poll means very little wiggle room for scum trying to save their teammates.

This is as good an opportunity as any. GTH reads on the players on the poll. Go.

Boomslang - bad
colonialbob - good
nijuukyougou - good
Quin - best dressed
sprityo - bad

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:18 pm I'm not voting for Quin or Blooper.

I'm not voting for you either

what kind of bullshit poll is this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:12 am Be aware that I, your facilitator JaggedJimmyJay, am watching this thread with the eyes of a hawk.

gross

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:00 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:42 pm
Scotty and sprityo were off in one corner, talking amongst themselves.

"I think we should lynch xbox" said Scotty"

"Hmm..." said sprityo "I'm reconsidering my stance burn."

"I still farted it up" said scotty.

"Ki votes count" said sprityo. "Meeit".

In the meantime, Spacedaisy and SVS were talking in another corner.

"We should put our brain hemispheres together" said Spacedaisy "sometimes, I feel as though one of us has two left hemispheres, and the other one has two right hemispheres."

"I have no idea what you're talking about" said SVS "But when you mentioned hemispheres, it was the missing link. I have now solved Hilbert's eleventh problem."

"We make a great team!" said Spacedaisy "If only I could make such a great team with Quin!"

*whoosh*

Spacedaisy suddenly entered a flashback. Or possibly a flashforward. Hard to be sure.

"We have to go back" screamed Jack Shepherd

Quin and Spacedaisy compared their notes.

"So" said Quin "What I'm seeing is that somehow we collectively suspect everyone in the game, but don't actually both suspect anyone. Can I get a Venn diagram for this? How is this possible?"

It also turned out that Quin used to deliver fish and chips to Spacedaisy when she was a young girl, even though Quin was pre-embryonic at the time. Spacedaisy had the odd feeling that she was in Lost Season 3, as presented by David Lynch.

*whoosh*

Day 13 has ended. Lorab has been lynched. She was:

You are 99: A Cow (A Game About Chinese Food) - You have the ability to make a trip to get chinese food intolerably boring, and really you just look like a cow, because you are, in fact, a cow. If targeted by a role that can learn affiliation, you will appear to be town. You are MAFIA and a member of STREXCORP.
It is now night 13. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

So scottys good
Eh. He's not a member of Strex.

He was also unlikely to be an Even in his first life, assuming they kill on Even Nights. He's at least likely town/3p from a statistical standpoint.

was it scotty 1.0 or scotty 2.0 who went after lorab early on?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:18 pm If INH is an Evil Even, he isn't going out of his damn way to defend Wilgy.

Strike him off the list.

thank you for this good post.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:58 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I like Epi's case on her, I don't like the Scotty lynch, and as much as I'm suspicious of Sloonei I'm also wary of lynching another civ leader after the Chuck fiasco (and the Sig one, to a lesser extent). I'm okay with taking down a low poster instead.

Though is you guys wanna start a Bob wagon I'm interested too.

Yuck.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:42 pm
Scotty and sprityo were off in one corner, talking amongst themselves.

"I think we should lynch xbox" said Scotty"

"Hmm..." said sprityo "I'm reconsidering my stance burn."

"I still farted it up" said scotty.

"Ki votes count" said sprityo. "Meeit".

In the meantime, Spacedaisy and SVS were talking in another corner.

"We should put our brain hemispheres together" said Spacedaisy "sometimes, I feel as though one of us has two left hemispheres, and the other one has two right hemispheres."

"I have no idea what you're talking about" said SVS "But when you mentioned hemispheres, it was the missing link. I have now solved Hilbert's eleventh problem."

"We make a great team!" said Spacedaisy "If only I could make such a great team with Quin!"

*whoosh*

Spacedaisy suddenly entered a flashback. Or possibly a flashforward. Hard to be sure.

"We have to go back" screamed Jack Shepherd

Quin and Spacedaisy compared their notes.

"So" said Quin "What I'm seeing is that somehow we collectively suspect everyone in the game, but don't actually both suspect anyone. Can I get a Venn diagram for this? How is this possible?"

It also turned out that Quin used to deliver fish and chips to Spacedaisy when she was a young girl, even though Quin was pre-embryonic at the time. Spacedaisy had the odd feeling that she was in Lost Season 3, as presented by David Lynch.

*whoosh*

Day 13 has ended. Lorab has been lynched. She was:

You are 99: A Cow (A Game About Chinese Food) - You have the ability to make a trip to get chinese food intolerably boring, and really you just look like a cow, because you are, in fact, a cow. If targeted by a role that can learn affiliation, you will appear to be town. You are MAFIA and a member of STREXCORP.
It is now night 13. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

So scottys good

forgot to actually vote lol thats embarrassing

leaving in like 15 minutes. daisy hasn't voted so i'll take the lead.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Sounds like the original poll didn't have Kyle on it and then got corrected.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:09 am im ok with putting Scotty on the back burner too for the moment.

Can anyone explain to me why Kyle is said to unlynchable?

Who said this?

I wouldn't be surprised if Ben is rewarded for getting people to follow his instructions. He got my number wrong. He dun know shit.

I'm not sure. To be honest I don't believe we'll be punished for ignoring Ben, but I don't want to cross you if you're worried about it. That takes Sloonei and DDL off the table. I'm a bit bored with the argument I made against Scotty. I know SVS is keen for that lynch to go down so I'd like her tell me what she's thinking, though I'm pretty sure it's already in her posts.

Of your list, I wouldn't want an INH lynch. I could be swayed to vote Kyle or LoRab. I don't have the time to read into all these people and I'll miss EoD so if a summary or case is thrown at me before tomorrow morning I'd appreciate it. If not I'll just sheep your vote.

So pretty much I'll follow you up with a vote of Scotty, Kyle or LoRab.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:31 am Mmm, fair enough. I was reading the DDL stuff in Isolation from the other thread.

That said I have a couple problems with this theory. It would mean first of all that we have to believe there are four baddies on each team. I'm not convinced of that yet. In fact I think numbers might make that a bit imbalanced if each team has four teammates especially at that early in the game. Secondly, it would require the fourth teammate helping along the sig lynch in the other thread. The two people I remember most vocally pushing the thread to actually lynch someone was Sloonei and JoH. Both I believe were not bad.

Also, there is the fact that the first lynch of LC DH voted like I dunno forth or fifth out of nine votes total? I just think it is a move that doesn't make sense for a baddie to make in order to save a teammate who has slipped up in such a major way.

All that said, I won't completely disregard him because you definitely brought up a possible point I overlooked.

We all have 2 lives. In that respect it isn't a 23 or whatever it is player game. It's a 46 player game, and we've seen vigilantes too which helps balance things out. The idea that 4 scum per team is too much doesn't really click with me. Plus DDL is in his second role (despite being on his first life) and was when this went down.

I don't think this case implicates anyone on the Cerberus side. He might have just been capitalising on the sig train to keep LC alive one more day.

In line with sig's theory, if he's LC's teammate, he doesn't need to stop the LC lynch. He just needs to not contribute to the LC lynch.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:15 am I read it quite the opposite. He wasn't actively trying to stop the lynch of LC as far as I read, he was taking issue with the reasoning DH gave for the lynch. That was how I interpreted it personally. I wouldn't put him in my verified list, I just think he is a lot less likely to flip bad. There is very little to support the idea of him actually being an LC teammate and if he is an opposing baddie team member, then why not just roll along with it? heck, even if he was an LC teammate it was pretty clear LC was toast.

Anyway...

As far as the people, I didn't say I was interested in lynching seven people. I said there were like two that I am interested in lynching a couple I could get behind with just a little less enthusiasm and a few others that I might consider voting because i have little to no read on. I'm trying to be open to conversation with you is all.

nuh-uh!

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:15 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:21 am Well, when you put a bunch of blabbermouth know it alls in a thread (and no name calling here, I place myself at the top of that blabby arrogant heap) this is what happens, yes?

Sloonie was our only blabbermouth and he's gone now.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.
Should I just be letting things go then?
I feel like it might not be the best reason to lynch, but unless we've got something else might as well roll with it.

The real question is did DDL's vote matter? Did it sway anything and like was his vote an obvious counterwagon. Also if you recall how many votes did LC have that day?

Since we can only assume from LC slip that scum has post tribe BTSC meaning they knew how the lynch breakdown worked. SO your scum could've just been trying to get the numbers low enough to stop the lynch for that phase. Which is also something we should look over here.

Since the day LC was lynched I was Almost lynched (I believe), so it would be beneficial to look over who voted for me with weak reasoning and maybe go for them if they're still here.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:59 am Eh, Sloonei is a no go for me and DDL is probably now as well. If we choose from those three we are back at Scotty.

I would say my top three suspects right now are Kyle, Scotty and... maybe INH or LoRab. See I can't even narrow down that last spot that well.

And I'm not sure I understand why you put someone back in based on me, even though I just said I would not vote for DDL. You do have him in your top three though, so can you explain to me why?

Also, if Kyle can't be lynched, then my previously mentioned list is actually at five.

As I said, I did because during the day you at least expressed an interest in lynching 7 different people. Too broad. It doesn't properly show me what your thought process is.

LC 2.0's lynch makes DDL look bad. DDL was off his wagon for vague or resistant reasons that don't read as genuine to me.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:48 am Oh, I see. So you're saying you feel very strongly about possibly voting for him. Do you feel like he is in the top say three people of your suspect list?

I wasn't pushing my own DDL suspicion there. I was bringing him back in because you mentioned him at the start of the day along with 5 other people. Saying you'd lynch over a third of living players is way too broad for me.

My top 3 is Scotty, DDL and Sloonei. I find myself agreeing with Scotty's case against Sloonei, but I also suspect Scotty which makes it difficult to put them in order.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:41 am I didn't add DDL back in, I took him out. I would not consider voting him.

I know, I added him.

INH's Wilgy defence is not a defence, but a rejection of the cases made against him. That's at face value anyway. INH mentions a town read on Wilgy the previous day but votes for him anyway.

I want people to talk about this. What does INH hope to gain by lynching his teammate and doing a 180 on him in this way?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:10 am Take the second LC lynch. Why on earth would someone who was on an opposing team do anything but move it along? What would he gain from voting DH instead? The answer is he knew LC was going to get lynched and he saw something from DH that made his eyebrow twitch so he decided to put some pressure on DH instead. He was wrong, but I don't see DDl coming up bad. I just don't. Anyway, tomorrow I have an MRI at noon. Hopefully I will get some time before I leave to ISO someone else on my short list of possible votes.

But to recap right now, I think my would not vote list looks like this:
Sloonei
Epi
DDL
Blooper

My would consider voting list looks like this:
Scotty
Kyle
INH
Lorab
boomslang
cbob

the rest all fall in between these I think, lol

Adding DDL back in since you named him before, that's 7 names you said you were okay with lynching today. It's too broad for my liking. But maybe you've talked about them all in depth - I dunno, I haven't looked.

Why these six? in what order would you lynch them?

On two notes:

Sloonei should not be suspected for low activity or whatever that line of thinking is. He was just lynched for that as town in Syndicate mafia.

Tentatively disagree that INH had no reason to defend Wilgy. That's dependent on whether his argument was that he thought the argument against him was bad or if he thought Wilgy was town. I cant remember and I'm phone posting so I cant check.

also low key pissed at epi for not talking about me more.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm Welcome to my life. Or after they say they think the same thing you do, they blithely change their mind with no explanation.

Good times.

I'm not saying to drop Scotty. I just want Daisy to talk about the massive name drop of potential lynches she'd be okay with.

We can move away from Scotty and Kyle for now if you want, Daisy. Any of the names you listed I'm at least interested in hearing about.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:36 am Quin, I'm still at the Kyle or Scotty point. If it's not Scotty it's Kyle and vice versa. Meeehhhh. There is a chance my reason for holding back on Scotty is not what I think it is. I'd prefer one of those two but would vote any of the others.

What's your beef with DDL?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:11 am Quin, I would prefer to lynch Kyle. I'd be ok with voting DDL, cbob, Boomslang or Scotty. Maybe even INH. Those are the people I don't actively have reason to believe they are good. I either suspect them or have no firm opinion.

I've seen a lot about him not being involved or struggling to get involved. Can you point me to something more elaborate?

I'm entertaining a Quinfoil where INH killed me. "Scum would leave their biggest advocates alive so as to not spook them, so that's exactly why I'll kill him".

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