The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:35 am Following the Luna lynch, what was the consensus on marmot?

He looked bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:33 am Ready for another wild guess? Marmot is cutman and used his power night 3 in anticipation of day4, halved his votes from 5 to 3. Gemini man, his teammate votes simon with him to ensure that he isn’t lynched. His other teammate is now giving him info on the imprisoner to try and fake us out.

Alternatively, Gemini man wanted a laugh and voted simon to tie it up, marmot who is again cutman in this scenario already was clear by the time he and GM voted simon. But it was secured st that point.

In either case marmot looks bad. I want to bet he used his cut power again today, so he actually only had 3 votes on him right now.

If this is the case, Gemini man's vote was like a trump card used for no reason. We didn't know it existed before yesterday. Why use it now?

I also fundamentally disagree with lynching someone to answer a question that isn't "Is this person mafia?"

That's a witch hunt.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:27 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:24 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:17 am The only way, ONLY way he gets out of the lynch tie. Is he is cutman

That’s it
I didn't even realise roles were being revealed. The amount of poll related roles already exposed would indicate there's likely not many still hidden.
Do you think lynching him might give us an insight to his role at the very least? Like if he is cutman, that makes sense and essentially closes out what happened day4 if what you’re saying regarding about his imprisonment is that he had a different one

Actually scratch ALL that mess

Why would the mafia imprison marmot of all people??!!

They gain no benefit in silencing someone not here!

He was here though. He was most active on Day 3, the day before his silencing. I can't say much for what it was like then, but right now he's also about halfway up the post count list. What he has posted isn't pure fluff either. Nobody else has countered him on it yet, and I don't believe it's a bi-nightly thing. That last part is my opinion, not information fyi.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:23 am Why are we even humoring Marmot right now?

My suspicion of speedchuck has lessened somewhat since the gth

Why are we humoring you? I don't understand how anybody is town reading you.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:17 am The only way, ONLY way he gets out of the lynch tie. Is he is cutman

That’s it

I didn't even realise roles were being revealed. The amount of poll related roles already exposed would indicate there's likely not many still hidden.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:18 am Why would 2 be any different than what you experienced?

1 and 3 make him automatically mafia imo

I'm withholding certain information I got in my PM. His posts since returning mesh with that information.

I believe only a scum imprisoner would silence Dizzy, so agreed.

I believe Marmot knows the full context of the imprisonment role. There are three reasons this might be the case.

1) He's the imprisoner
2) He's a target of the imprisoner
3) He's allied with the imprisoner

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:52 am It’s not like you’re not allowed to say you were imprisoned. If the imprisoner can set limitations, that’s pretty bullshit. I’m sure Quin can confirm that all he got was something like “you’ve been imprisoned, you can’t vote or post until the next day. You can’t use our name that action” right?
I think marmot is spinning a lie, a half assed lie at that

Something like that.

Marmot may not be lying about being imprisoned. But Marmot needs to fill in the gaps before I have any interest in vouching for him.

If he was imprisoned, his vote yesterday didn't count and he should by all rights have been lynched. That's my biggest concern because there's one vote unaccounted for in a lynch that nobody was particularly opinionated about.

If he wasn't imprisoned, I want to know why he's being so cryptic. It would answer my concern above about his survival yesterday, but I don't understand how this behaviour is in any way productive.

Were you imprisoned, Marmot? You're being too cryptic about it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:27 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:00 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:57 pm Quin am I actually Kokichi Oma?
you don't make me shit myself so probably not, no
wait, are you afraid of kokichi?

his sprites are literally the stuff of nightmares

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:57 pm Quin am I actually Kokichi Oma?

you don't make me shit myself so probably not, no

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:56 pm Lynching*

I would never punch such a sweet animal

i was hoping to find a picture of this but i obviously didn't find one and wound up with this instead so enjoy

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:49 pm Oh!!! That’s what they did!

Remember when I said “I’m surprised they didn’t kill dizzy” ?

This was what they did instead. I’m still not sure of the reason behind killing Sloonei. But I’m positive the imprisoner is mafia aligned now

I'm also starting to think this as well. I might have just been another "thread leader" they wanted to be rid of it.

...but why?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 pm I most definitely saw dizzy earlier today and they haven’t voted.

Quin never voted when he was imprisoned, so he probably couldn’t vote either.

Imprisoner has dizzy today is my guess

Marmot wasn’t imprisoned because his vote obviously counted. So we can mark that off from him “accidentally” posting. Whomever had suggested that

Ja.

Good point. He'd be dead if he was imprisoned yesterday, GM or not. His post is pretty heavily hinting being silenced imo so that's not a great look for him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:11 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:32 pm Also, same goes if he's Good Gemini. Town Marmot would say "I hope Simon is bad, but I know I'm not, so..."

Also the late Gemini vote, coming around the same time as the late Marmot vote, really leads me to believe he's Gemini.

If he's not Gemini, then he's bad, because that means Gemini is a teammate who realized that Marmot showed up in time to try to save him.
GM is voting Marmot.

There is no world where Marmot is town GM, takes the Hail Mary on Simon and then commits suicide.
Marmot self-votes literally all the time.
Self voting and tying up a vote instead of defending oneself are basically strategic opposites.

Not really. One is just the lazier version.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:49 pm GM is scum. There’s no townie but Marmot who would use that to tie up Marmot and Simon.

GM’s Marmot vote is wifom.

Provided Marmot himself isn't GM, I agree with this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:32 pm Also, same goes if he's Good Gemini. Town Marmot would say "I hope Simon is bad, but I know I'm not, so..."

Also the late Gemini vote, coming around the same time as the late Marmot vote, really leads me to believe he's Gemini.

If he's not Gemini, then he's bad, because that means Gemini is a teammate who realized that Marmot showed up in time to try to save him.
GM is voting Marmot.

There is no world where Marmot is town GM, takes the Hail Mary on Simon and then commits suicide.

Marmot self-votes literally all the time.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.

If Marmot is hinting at a silencing/imprisonment here, then Marmot cannot be Gemini Man. The imprisonment comes with a role-block for the full day and night as well.

Either Marmot is Gemini Man and was lying about being imprisoned or Gemini Man legitimately tried to save him yesterday. I'm trying to think of what that means for the Marmot/GM/Imprisoner trio alignment-wise.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.
Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.
If that’s the case, why didn’t he defend himself then or in the next day?

To what end does townie Marmot throw someone else under the bus only to let himself be mislynched the next day? (Same question if Marmot isn’t GM I suppose.)

Gemini Man (and Speedchuck and LC) caused us to waste a day lynching Simon when the consensus was that Marmot should be lynched. Simon was town. None of those players gave a good reason for lynching Simon over Marmot yet here we are. Ergo, Gemini Man looks shady af.
He seems to be claiming he was silenced and broke the rules of it by posting. Not sure if I buy it. As to why he hasn't defended himself since:

If I had the ability to apply an extra vote to someone, you can 100% guarantee I'd use it defensively regardless of my alignment. I guess that's why I can see a civ GM voting to tie up a lynch to protect himself. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate with this though, my questioning here is more with regard to Gemini Man specifically.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"
Okay this is a solid point.

Can you pull where he said this? It's very important.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:42 am DH there's really no way we live in a reality where Marmot is civ. The case against him has been repeated and built on for half the game by various sources and he's sort of shrugged it off, then he outright trolled us in the last lynch.

The devil is in the details with how he handled what ended up becoming the Luna lynch and then how he behaved yesterday, which up until the last minute looked like he was going to be the one lynched.

Maybe you had to see it play out in real time to understand it, idk. He's guilty af tho

god i hope turnip head made this argument because that would be delightfully ironic

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:45 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:42 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 am
Spoiler: show
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
Spoiler: show
Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.
My post-to-availability is actually very high thank you very much.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:39 pm I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).
Anyway those are Marmots "interactions with Luna"

1) A very Marmot goof boi post
2) He votes for her based on his understanding of some post Sloonei made.

From those 2 posts, Marmot is a "must-lynch"? Or are you, my children, trippin'.

So you think Marmot is town and in extrapolation, Gemini man, and used his power to save himself?
I dunno if he's Gemini and saved himself or if he got saved by a Gemini that voted for Simon. Either way I shake it "Marmot is bad because he's shitposting" and "Marmot is bad because he has 2 total posts that have anything to do with Luna" look to me like the town is getting rooked into voting for a guy the mafia know won't bother to defend himself.

NEGAN DADDY SAVE ME FROM THESE WEIRD CULT PEOPLE

Has Dizzy posted today?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:08 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:57 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:56 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:49 am Marmot posted while allegedly silenced? Can someone tell me about that?
Quin was silenced/imprisoned one day. We know because he told us and was noticeably absent. (as compared to other inactives.)

We thought Marmot had the same problem the next day, because he said he'd post and he didn't... until like 2 hours before dayend. This is how I remember it, though I was in fever haze at the time.
So what you're saying is a guy notorious for giving perhaps even a negative amount of fucks didn't follow through on a statement of his until he felt like it and people have jumped down his throat claiming he must be lynched for it.
that's not the reason people suspect him, if not the WHOLE reason
It reads to me from the last 1-5 pages or so that I've read, the idea is that Marmot was "supposed" to be lynched over Simon but this Gemini guy stepped in and put the ol' kybash on that, and now everyone's like "Oi wut? Marmot got saved by Gemini, and also Marmot was 'silenced', so like lets kill Marmot?"

Here are 3 possibilities as I see 'em.

1. Marmot is Gemini and saved himself. Either bad Gemini and saved himself maliciously or Good Gemini and saved himself without knowing Simon was also a civ
2. Gemini is a civ and for some reason saved Marmot over Simon. Either Gemini suspected Simon more or figured for some reason Marmot was being stitched up
3. Gemini is bad, and since from what I gather the mafia are putting the screws to active players, figured "Hey you know what would be funny? Using my fun extra vote to frame Marmot who won't fight back and lynch Simon now, and lets let the town hang the Marmot"

Have I got that about sorted?

This is even less likely considering Gemini man is likely a limited use role since we only saw him the first time yesterday.

god this game is a fucking sausagefest right now

Of those, all but alien were scum reads for me in the first place. Even more reason to sub him out.

I'd like to hear thoughts on the other 6.

I want to lynch whoever's killing the thread leaders today. Subbing out the four above, plus the inactives, here's my PoE.

Bullzeye
alien/DH (Got replaced, so very, very tentatively)
K-Ness
Long Con
nova
speedchuck
Turnip

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:26 am Interesting Speedchuck isn’t in there Quin. Any reason?

I’m gonna iso him today. I have a bad feeling about him not being on my radar

Linki: Surely TH wouldn’t be that lowly? Then again he’s usually in here a lot more being goofy

Basically just how I perceive everyone's personality.

The people I mentioned are people I think play with a "I want to challenge myself" sort of mindset. speedchuck strikes me more of a "Challenge me" type.

My vote for Turnip Head is based on that PoE. He's a low flier with little content who I don't have a problem seeing killing the thread leaders so he can ride an easy win. It's unlikely the inactives are even here to submit their actions to begin with.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:15 am We should do a GTH exercise, like in DFS if we get enough people in at once. That sounds like it’d be interesting

if I'm around, yeah.

I don't wanna talk about Marmot/Luna or Marmot/Gemini Man. There's nothing new to say there. Doing that is just gonna turn this day to shit.

Instead, here's my PoE after removing the people I don't think were behind the thread leader massacre of 2018.

Dizzy doesn't kill thread leaders.
sprityo doesn't kill thread leaders.
Kylemii doesn't kill thread leaders.
jack doesn't kill thread leaders.

Anyone else is fair game for me today.

Hate that the Marmot lynch has become more about Gemini man than it is about his Luna interactions.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:02 am What does the nightkill tell us besides what Quin said. The baddies have killed virtually everyone with a high post count. We know they’re not than likely have a syndicate regular on their team having targetted jay, then mac, Nutella, Sloonei.

The mafia team must be pretty cowardly if they’re hiding among the inactives. Purposefully trying to kill off everyone playing the game to easily secure lynched in their favor.

Either way we need to lynch marmot, in regards to Gemini man [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Does the Sloonei nightkill clear anyone/make them look better.

I was honestly expecting dizzy with how town they’ve been acting. Mafia had a perfect setup to keep Sloonei alive so why now?

Also notice. No Orange Letters

Why does Gemini man have to be bad?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:48 pm [VOTE: TH, Kness and now me are voting for Narmot cause he’s probably bad. Isn’t it odd that TH hasn’t posted yet?] aubergine

Does bad K-Ness kill off active players?

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

I have a better idea for today.

Let's discuss who's boring enough to exclusively kill high posters.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:23 pm Gemini on the poll. Double voter, likely.

Why did we feel the need to have a bunch of votes on Simon again? Anybody on that train can feel free to answer that.
Dizzy's vote appears to have been an accident, Speedchuck's was a shrug, and LC's was in the interest of creating a competitive lynch. Then Marmot and Gemini Man voted to force the tie.
Since none of those votes contained an ounce of confidence, I might guess that Marmot is a gemini.

He's actually a Libra.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:42 pm well done guys now epi's family is dead

edit for sarc because oh boy i am not going through this again

well done guys now epi's family is dead

Has either of Marmot and Simon posted today? This kinda sucks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:07 am Like say the next biggest train wasn’t Eloh (pretty sure it was) or Quin but actually Colin. Eloh may have been protecting Colin, not bussing Nova, which is why I ask.

Think Eloh was ahead though.

Do you mean Luna?

It opens a door for scum Colin if that's the case.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:56 pm I’m all team let’s have Marmot or Simon for lynch though.

They're both sitting null in my rainbow. I'll read what Sloonei had to say about them I suppose.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:55 pm I hate my brain. Getting hung up in remembering Luna’s phrasing. Something like «if he (Nova) is town he could be trying harder». The «could» is so odd there. Why not should.

Am I crazy?

idk. her use of "wait," in that one post i brought up is doing all kinds of things to me.

semantics squad hi-5

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:50 pm ^Right. Colin was probably more of an option. Point is, it looked chaotic and not like an environmemt to put a safe distance or bus vote in. Plus, the whole «he should try harder» tell lingers on Nova being town. Or at least not mafia. I’m realizing there’s two third parties also that may or may not be a threat. That is when no reveal flips sucks and I don’t know what to do with that. Looking for Lunamates mainly.

I didn't really think about Colin. [mention]Sloonei[/mention] You were floating him as a candidate, but did he ever actually have much traction as a wagon early on in the day?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:47 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.
I do not follow your logic to make this a bus.

In your own post you said that nova would be a suitable Day 1 bus. With (at least) 4 votes already stacked on him I don't think it's unreasonable for Luna to come in, see the wagon, and then throw hers onto the pile.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

Her first mention of nova is also uninspiring (hi quin).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:42 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:37 pm nova was leading before I gained all that traction at the end. Luna was (presumably - she didn't use a vote tag) the last vote on him before all that but she voted for him before I said the thing all you losers piled up on.

That's a bus.
disagree. that's a bloodthirsty scum trying to make an easy lynch happen.
ur town too though.

Also I'm cooling off on my sprit case a little but not completely yet. I still don't like his case on me, but that doesn't have to mean he's bad.

It was already an easy lynch by my count.

nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

Actually gonna think on it some more. I think I had 2 votes before all that so depending on the spread Luna voting nova over me is actually a good look for him.

nova was leading before I gained all that traction at the end. Luna was (presumably - she didn't use a vote tag) the last vote on him before all that but she voted for him before I said the thing all you losers piled up on.

That's a bus.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:28 pm Who let Quin out? : p

For real though. Luna bussing Nova because a random wagon appeared in front of Eloh (town) and Quin (should be town from Quin’s perspective). Why?

nova sucks in isolation. I also don't know the timing nor the vote spread. Whether it was bussing or distancing depends on that, I think.

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