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by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:42 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Silverwolf wrote:
Quin wrote: He's made quite a few really arrogant posts that we could do without as well, but I feel like that might be going into a more personal territory.
Can you please not do this? Unless you think this is scummy behavior. I will defend him against personal attacks and it will make me mad if you decide to go this route.
I never intended to make anything out of it. It wasn't a personal attack, and even if it was it's not up to you to defend him.

linki: I agree with Sloonei. I would like to know your thoughts.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:33 pm
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Catching up.

I see a ika wagon growing faster than I can keep up.

WIll try to get why. Personally I'm not feeling it very much.
Ika isn't giving anyone anything to work with. It's pretty much the same thing as I saw in Enrique. I don't like seeing accusations and votes thrown around where there is nothing of value to justify it. I get that he said at one point that he's a 'gut player' but that's not an excuse for not backing up your gut reads with something tangible.

He's made quite a few really arrogant posts that we could do without as well, but I feel like that might be going into a more personal territory.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:42 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
ika wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Also, if ika doesn't do anything D2, he should be lynched.
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Scotty wrote:And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.
Agreed. The Tranq kill actually elevates Scotty's Civvishness to me.
This was exactly the point I was trying to make. Under normal circumstances people would take Tranq's arrest as a civ-tell for Scotty. There is no good reason why Tranq would be the target if it was anybody but Scotty doing the arrest. I don't think we should be relying on daisy's intervention as an excuse because we have no idea as to what it did.
:suspish: you just won't let this go, will you?
teehee :cloud9:
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:39 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

You know what, I got up early this morning to be in time for the end of day and I just realised that days are 48 hours, not 24.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:05 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?
Idk, but for some reason I want to lynch both Ika and Wolf.
Is it too late to start another bandwagon?

I'll be returning to my vote on ika. I'm still pretty determined for Scotty but nobody seems to agree, so I'll come back to him at another point.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:56 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Long Con wrote:
ika wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Also, if ika doesn't do anything D2, he should be lynched.
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Scotty wrote:And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.
Agreed. The Tranq kill actually elevates Scotty's Civvishness to me.
This was exactly the point I was trying to make. Under normal circumstances people would take Tranq's arrest as a civ-tell for Scotty. There is no good reason why Tranq would be the target if it was anybody but Scotty doing the arrest. I don't think we should be relying on daisy's intervention as an excuse because we have no idea as to what it did.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:26 am
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I had thought that arrested players get put into another thread which consists of the jailmates and probably the warden. Maybe they have some sort of goal to achieve in there?

linki: Well, I am open to hearing what you have to say when you are able to catch up.
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:05 am
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Golden wrote:Tranq may have been inactive, but he is also a very very good mafia player, who often manages to avoid attention from lynch and nk for long enough to do real damage. It says two possible things to me

1) at least one or two of the cops know tranq well, and wanted him out of the way early, or
2) Daisy wanted to take away one of sockface's players and picked someone she thought would be dangerous long term.

I think those are more likely than the cops simply taking him out for being inactive.
Does this mean that you have at the very least a neutral read for Scotty?
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:56 am
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Scotty wrote:Why on earth did Tranq get killed? Guess I really can't read people.
Quin wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?
Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.
Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?
Tranq I think.
Scotty, what brought you to this conclusion? I find it weird that you didn't justify yourself to either Wilgy or Sloonei who questioned you about it. Ping-pong. That should be a smilie. From my point of view, you are the only one who has a good reason to arrest Tranq.

My vote goes to Scotty for now. It is not the strongest, but I do not agree with a Golden, Matt, Luffy or Sloonei lynch. It's not 6, unfortunately.
Tone and quality. I saw some pings from the active players, but not enough that I was looking too harshly at them.
From low-posters, however, I honestly just felt Tranq's 2 posts to be lacking. He was like a paraplegic cheerleader- wanting to be part of the game, but had a hard time dancing with the others. (Oh god I'm going to hell for that one)

But yeah I was wrong.

Didn't justify myself? Perhaps you missed this post I made prior:
Spoiler: show
Scotty wrote:
Tranq wrote:I voted Bullzeye. I feel he got replaced way too fast after his vote. He took the time to catch up, vote for me, said he'll ask to be replaced, and got replaced 4 minutes after that. Feels like the arrangements to get him replaced were already set in motion before he posted and voted.
Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.
Tranq wrote:
Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.
No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!
Of the low posters, Tranq's only post here seems very bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Will continue to scan the thread but he's going to get my vote right now.
Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? I haven't heard that one before. What do you mean by that?
You are a big :eye: . Come on, why is it suspicious to be asked to be replaced? There were a bunch of pages after he voted for you, and I'll admit I was thinking the same thing: "holy camoley Batman, how am I gonna keep up with this" so this seems legitimate to me and says nothing about his alignment. He, like me, found you suspicious.

And by bright-eyed and bushy tailed, I of course mean Bambi- if Bambi were actually a 300 pound tattoo-covered Hispanic man named Carlos. I found your one post in day 1 to be naive and uninformed. Like you found the bullet point of the thread and tried to offer your opinion without actually adding anything.
And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.
I did miss your justification. Sorry about that.

But I still have my reservations about Tranq's arrest. I wonder how feasible it is to arrest one of the most inactive players over the 20 or so other players who have likely got a firm grip on at least one police by now. If I was scum there is no way Tranq would be my first choice. I see nobody else who benefits from his arrest than you, Scotty. Being wrong about your suspicion of a player who was killed would, in most cases, come across as a town tell. You were able to express your suspicion of a player, while preventing Tranq from following it up and making your suspicion into a bigger deal than it was. Or that daisy thing, yeah.

Also, could you explain your day 1 vote? I understand that you voted based on inactivity, which I personally agree with, but why did you not change your vote from chaindeath to Tranq since you decided that he was the most suspicious?
by Quin
Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:03 am
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Topic: [END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Silverwolf wrote:
Quin wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.
While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?
I wasn't talking about Gleam here.

I already said tone, defensiveness, OMGUS type behavior, hesitancy to vote me even though I moved to the top of his list.

What you think is ridiculous, I find vote worthy. To each their own I guess.
What does OMGUS stand for?

When I posed the question all I knew about was the tone. I just added a linki when I saw your post adding the rest of your thoughts. I didn't bother deleting my original paragraph, since that's what I thought the point of the linki was in the first place...I don't know.

Either way, I don't find your vote as ridiculous as I did now knowing the other reasons. Though it hasn't influenced my read of him in any way.
by Quin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:54 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

agleaminranks wrote:Do you see me calling out the other two people who are voting for me? Or the person who voted for me and then changed? No, because we spent all of last day period arguing. MetalMarsh notwithstanding, he has yet to give a good reason, but he at least said he would formulate his argument. It's probably a ridiculous argument knowing Marshie, but I'll hold him to his word. They at least have some logic behind their actions. You have none.

If I had voted for someone with whom I had had zero contact with for the whole game and then refused to elaborate as to why, I would be absolutely skewered by everyone around me. This is absolute ridiculousness.
While I don't have anything but a neutral read for you, I do agree that Silver's vote is ridiculous. I am sure the class would be interested in hearing her justification, since all I've seen is 'Your tone is suspicious' and it doesn't quite cut it for me.


Where is Scotty from? When can I expect to have a conversation with him about his post?

linki: What did your reaction vote tell you, Silver? What made you think that gleam would be a good candidate for your test in the first place?
by Quin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:26 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Quin wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:I have no idea, llama llama ding dong. I don't know what her role is in any measure. I have a guess as to what Socky's was based on the result of the lynch, but I haven't a clue from the results of this night. Tranq made a whopping two posts this whole game. I have no idea what he was up to.

Linki: along those lines, I wanna echo what Quin just posted. Why was Tranq up there, Scotty? He posted twice, once was to check in and the other time was to vote for a low-poster.
do you know how long it took me to figure out who this gleam everyone was talking about is

god damn
was this the right shade of green or am i about to be modkilled
by Quin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:12 pm
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Re: [DAY 2] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

agleaminranks wrote:I have no idea, llama llama ding dong. I don't know what her role is in any measure. I have a guess as to what Socky's was based on the result of the lynch, but I haven't a clue from the results of this night. Tranq made a whopping two posts this whole game. I have no idea what he was up to.

Linki: along those lines, I wanna echo what Quin just posted. Why was Tranq up there, Scotty? He posted twice, once was to check in and the other time was to vote for a low-poster.
do you know how long it took me to figure out who this gleam everyone was talking about is

god damn
by Quin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:58 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?
Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.
Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?
Tranq I think.
Scotty, what brought you to this conclusion? I find it weird that you didn't justify yourself to either Wilgy or Sloonei who questioned you about it. Ping-pong. That should be a smilie. From my point of view, you are the only one who has a good reason to arrest Tranq.

My vote goes to Scotty for now. It is not the strongest, but I do not agree with a Golden, Matt, Luffy or Sloonei lynch. It's not 6, unfortunately.
by Quin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:38 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

RadicalFuzz wrote:I'm writing this as I'm reading, so if some points have already been addressed then ignore me.
Spoiler: show
Quin the assumption that anybody acting strange, presumably to perform a task, should be a town read is something I find odd.
You're not wrong. Coming back into it after rethinking things made me wonder what I was thinking. Part of the reason for thinking he is town was in his creation of the 'non-changeable vote' strategy, though. It was so early on that I clicked him as town.

I have like 4 more pages to read, brb.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:31 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.
Going by that, I'm a Hitman.

I did notice there was some synchronicity between the roles and the site titles.
Bitch, I'm Skeletor.

Could be a secret role. :dark:
Skeletor: Each night, you may bone a player of your choosing.
That would be quite the turn around from Zodiac Epi.
im starting to think it might be too unbalanced a role.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:12 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.
Going by that, I'm a Hitman.

I did notice there was some synchronicity between the roles and the site titles.
Bitch, I'm Skeletor.

Could be a secret role. :dark:
Skeletor: Each night, you may bone a player of your choosing.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:35 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.
I still read your posts and look at your avatar and laugh heartily.
don't be rude. that's my natural expression.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:29 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 1] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

hey im a stool pigeon now

no, that was not a role claim. that's my post count title.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:24 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Enrique wrote:
Quin wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Quin wrote:I've decided to change my vote to Enrique. I'm going to take sig's word for it that ika's actions are simply a cultural thing, but I've got my :eye: on him.


How much information we have determines who wins a game. That's one of my philosophies. That, and ask a shitload of questions and assume everything until proven otherwise. Enrique hasn't been able to provide the amount of information that I'd expect from a townie. The accusation I made of ika on how he ignored the traitor/don situation completely without justifying himself applies to Enrique in the same manner. On top of that, I found one of his latest posts (I'll find it as soon as I post this and explain myself) extremely scummy.
I ignored the situation? I said it was a terrible idea that each Don would try to avoid at all costs anyway.
What you said was in the same territory as saying 'I think x is mafia' but not explaining yourself. I want to know, from you, why Wilgy's plan was such a bad idea. I want to know why Diiny is so suspicious. Information drives this game and you provided nothing.
But I did address both of those points... one of them more or less indirectly in the post you quotes. The host would avoid making one of his team members defect, wouldn't he? And I thought Diiny was bad for his overeagerness in going after people who were barely even here, as well as jumping on every wagon that looked like it had a chance to take off.

I just got here, chill. I don't appreciate being told I'm not putting in the work when the game just started.
I don't know what you mean about the host wanting the avoid defection. The host isn't the one who triggered it. Can you elaborate on what you meant? Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me.

'Barely being here' isn't a feasible defense. You clearly were here, anyway. If you're putting me in the same boat as Diiny, I'll remind you I only ever voted for ika and you. I was the first to vote for ika, and there was no bandwagon for you at all.

I don't want you to think I'm having a go at you for anything. I just see your current playing style as scummy, and I've justified why.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:11 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Enrique wrote:
Quin wrote:I've decided to change my vote to Enrique. I'm going to take sig's word for it that ika's actions are simply a cultural thing, but I've got my :eye: on him.


How much information we have determines who wins a game. That's one of my philosophies. That, and ask a shitload of questions and assume everything until proven otherwise. Enrique hasn't been able to provide the amount of information that I'd expect from a townie. The accusation I made of ika on how he ignored the traitor/don situation completely without justifying himself applies to Enrique in the same manner. On top of that, I found one of his latest posts (I'll find it as soon as I post this and explain myself) extremely scummy.
I ignored the situation? I said it was a terrible idea that each Don would try to avoid at all costs anyway.
What you said was in the same territory as saying 'I think x is mafia' but not explaining yourself. I want to know, from you, why Wilgy's plan was such a bad idea. I want to know why Diiny is so suspicious. Information drives this game and you provided nothing.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:58 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Enrique wrote:Hey folks I'd like to remind you that there are six friggin cops so manipulation of tight lynches should be easy. I suggest y'all get your shit together and join me in voting Diiny because he's clearly the right choice :nicenod:

Or come to a consensus yourselves. It's been a way hectic past couple days for me and I'm not really following the game as well as I could be, and I can't say I have many reads besides being freaked out by Diiny's over-eagerness (supatownin?) and general vagueness to his actions.

jeez dudes the game just started why are you being so demanding already

btw wilgy's plan is terrible and the don would have to be a silly billy to go through with it
I hope I'm not alone in seeing this as though it was written extremely half-assed. He's pushing for a Diiny vote, yet advocating that we should be lynching whoever we want to lynch. On top of that, he immediately goes to present some weak justification to go with his hardcore push. It just seems extremely contradictory. He says that he's 'the right choice' but he's not said anything of value in the thread that might lead me to think that. Same with Wilgy's plan. There's absolutely nothing in the thread by him that would explain why he disagrees.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:51 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I've decided to change my vote to Enrique. I'm going to take sig's word for it that ika's actions are simply a cultural thing, but I've got my :eye: on him.


How much information we have determines who wins a game. That's one of my philosophies. That, and ask a shitload of questions and assume everything until proven otherwise. Enrique hasn't been able to provide the amount of information that I'd expect from a townie. The accusation I made of ika on how he ignored the traitor/don situation completely without justifying himself applies to Enrique in the same manner. On top of that, I found one of his latest posts (I'll find it as soon as I post this and explain myself) extremely scummy.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:35 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

agleaminranks wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Gleam

Did you actually post civ reads on anyone though? Other than me? Please show because I think I missed those.
I didn't. I don't have solid reads on people apart from how they normally act in other games.

I think Matt is being a bit more quiet than normal, I think I remember him being a little more pandering for discussion than usual. But I have no reason to suspect him as being bad.

Scott and Epignosis are both acting pretty typical, even if they're somewhat low posters for the game right now.

The only other people I have played games with before (Mongoose, llama, zebra) have all been pretty inactive in the game right now. I'm inclined to say civilian just because their contributions seem normal.

I think S~V~S has a false read on me but I don't have reason to suspect her as bad.
Sloonei wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Agreeing with what you are saying doesn't equal reading you as a civ.

SVS and Sloonei pointed out something I hadn't yet noticed. I then read your posts and concluded that indeed, you were saying a lot without actually getting yourself involved in the actual game (hunting baddies).
When we're this early in the game and far more likely (statistically) to lynch a good guy, I'm more focused on minimizing civilian deaths than actively trying to suss out the police. That's just my strategy. You can agree with it or not, but that's what makes the most sense to me. Granted, once a day or two goes by and we have some patterns to examine, then the baddie hunt needs to become the main focus. If I'm still being noncommittal at that point, you can criticize me of not getting involved all you want. But I've certainly been participating in the discussion. Going all gung-ho and throwing accusations left and right isn't the only way to get involved.
What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying you'd prefer not to lynch anyone today?
Ideally, I think it would be best if no one got lynched the first day.

Think of this mathematically. I'm of the firm opinion that no one has enough concrete evidence on anyone else to make more than, say, a 10 or 20% educated guess on alignment. We're close to lynching at random here. It's no different from a first day lynch. Statistically then we are more likely than not to lynch someone good. Then we wait for the results of the night actions to formulate more solid theories.

These are the two scenarios at this point:

1. The lynch vote ends up being civilian. The night phase happens, the Police Chief (unless they target the Don) is probably going to succeed in arresting someone. We're down two noble mafiosos/mafiosas.

2. The lynch vote ends up being police. Unless the Chief is lynched (a one in thirty chance), some mafia is probably going to be arrested. One baddie is down, we're down one good guy.

The first scenario is more likely to happen by a factor of 5. I agree that if a baddie is lynched this early, yes, it will go a long way towards helping the mafia teams in the long run. But. You risk civilian death as well. Some people might argue that it's worth the risk of killing a civvie if the chance of taking down even one baddie is there, I just don't agree with that strategy. Maybe it's a matter of personal taste to want to be more restrained. If we were able to somehow avoid lynching someone Day 1 then we would most likely be down one civvie but we also wouldn't be down two, probably. But that's not part of the rules, so I have to come up with my best educated guess.
I'd like to hug you. No lynches are fantastic.

I'm on page 12 right now and so far there's nothing that has convinced me to change my vote. We'll see how it goes. I think there's like, 30 minutes of day left so I'll be fast.
by Quin
Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:33 am
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.
Didn't understand this, so went and checked the roles. I figure what you mean is that the don only knows who the consigliere is. It looks like the consigliere has btsc with the don, but neither know who the capo/crew are. Perhaps the don is able to invent a mission to figure it out, though? :shrug:
That's what I meant, yeah. I have no idea the potential that the capo/crew roles have, but that would be really interesting to see if they could use it for info gathering purposes.
Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:I've been thinking about the capo/crew team more than anything else lately. Given their role, they should have a task to do today, yes? I'll be keeping an eye out and hopefully I can get some town reads from that hypothesis.
The Don "every night, he..." so no I'd say they have their first task to do on day 2.
My apologies. I was going off of the role description for capo where it just said 'each cycle'. Took it to mean that they'd have a mission each day, night, day, etc.
by Quin
Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:32 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
At day 1 I think we should be addressing even the minor concerns. I'm aware that in the long run the traitors are going to be triggered regardless, but even so, I think we should be trying to delay that risk for the safety of the dons.
I've got no problem with it being addressed, but I think the proposals being made in the thread were over-reactions to a very minor point and there is no need to continue discussing it beyond what has been said. So I should stop saying things about it now.
How's your first Big Game going so far?
I feel like this game could go on for weeks, I'm curious to see how the dynamic changes over such a long period.
How are things at this beginning period, though? Which players have caught your eye?
ika, for reasons I have previously stated.

Wilgy has also caught my eye for his abnormal posts. Someone called him out on it before, but the 'oink's he is shoving into his posts are just really...weird. My initial thoughts were that he is one of the capo/crew and his mission is to present himself as scum in his posts, but I need to dwell on that further. At this point it is a leaning town read, but I am also really confused by him.
by Quin
Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:55 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:I'm going to go with my strategy (which I also urge other people to follow) and 'unofficially' vote ika.

I find it curious that ika would come into the thread in the middle of a discussion about how we should tackle the traitor/don problem and completely ignore the current strategies proposed and just throw a vote where it went. On top of that, there was no elaboration to his vote at all, and he hadn't even posted in the thread until I called him out on her vote. I feel like everything he has said since has been an excuse.

@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.
There has been too much focus on the don/traitor thing. That's a minor concern at best. I see no problem with ika's behavior as you described it.
At day 1 I think we should be addressing even the minor concerns. I'm aware that in the long run the traitors are going to be triggered regardless, but even so, I think we should be trying to delay that risk for the safety of the dons.
I've got no problem with it being addressed, but I think the proposals being made in the thread were over-reactions to a very minor point and there is no need to continue discussing it beyond what has been said. So I should stop saying things about it now.
How's your first Big Game going so far?
I feel like this game could go on for weeks, I'm curious to see how the dynamic changes over such a long period.
by Quin
Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:44 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:I'm going to go with my strategy (which I also urge other people to follow) and 'unofficially' vote ika.

I find it curious that ika would come into the thread in the middle of a discussion about how we should tackle the traitor/don problem and completely ignore the current strategies proposed and just throw a vote where it went. On top of that, there was no elaboration to his vote at all, and he hadn't even posted in the thread until I called him out on her vote. I feel like everything he has said since has been an excuse.

@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.
There has been too much focus on the don/traitor thing. That's a minor concern at best. I see no problem with ika's behavior as you described it.
At day 1 I think we should be addressing even the minor concerns. I'm aware that in the long run the traitors are going to be triggered regardless, but even so, I think we should be trying to delay that risk for the safety of the dons.
by Quin
Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:33 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I've been thinking about the capo/crew team more than anything else lately. Given their role, they should have a task to do today, yes? I'll be keeping an eye out and hopefully I can get some town reads from that hypothesis.
by Quin
Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:20 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I'm going to go with my strategy (which I also urge other people to follow) and 'unofficially' vote ika.

I find it curious that ika would come into the thread in the middle of a discussion about how we should tackle the traitor/don problem and completely ignore the current strategies proposed and just throw a vote where it went. On top of that, there was no elaboration to his vote at all, and he hadn't even posted in the thread until I called him out on her vote. I feel like everything he has said since has been an excuse.

@agle I don't think the don knows who the capo/crew are. Just the consigliere. From what I gather it's all done via PM's to the family's host.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:35 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

MovingPictures07 wrote:All:

We've decided to slightly change the wording to the Stool Pigeon role to more accurately represent the timing and nature of events in the role, as well as to fix a balance issue. Here is the way it was written upon game's start:


Stool Pigeon – At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. After being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is released and immune from being arrested again.

Here is how it is written now:

Stool Pigeon – At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. If he is in danger of being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is saved.

Thanks for understanding and apologies for any confusion.
So the stool pigeon isn't immune from being arrested anymore? It's now just a one-time save?
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:41 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

sig wrote:
Quin wrote:I wonder about the traitor, actually. Could they swap back and forth? That could make traitors a very valuable info-gathering role.
I'd think it is like most traitor roles, once you switch you've switched no take backs. The wording no police actions means exactly that, so we can still lynch them, they just can't be arrested.
I've never played with traitor roles before, so I had no idea. I guess it would make more sense not to flip constantly, I suppose.

MP just said that there wasn't a host error in the description, so it makes me think that there is actually a way either the don or the police can be arrested.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:32 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I wonder about the traitor, actually. Could they swap back and forth? That could make traitors a very valuable info-gathering role.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:28 pm
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Well, in light of MP's post, here's a couple of things that could justify it:

Traitor: What happens when they convert? Are they forever just a traitor or does their role change when they flip?

Capo/Crew: I don't know what sorts of things these guys might be instructed to do. Nor do I know if they could have temporary powers given to them for a certain task. It could be something like 'express town-read for x' or anything else. On top of that, what 'rewards' or 'punishments' can be given to them by the don?
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:19 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

I think it's actually a host error, since the signup thread says the same thing and at that time there was no secret role.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:16 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Turnip Head wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Do not share BTSC unless specified. Win when all of The Police and The Don from The Sockfaced Famiglia are dead or arrested, but only if their alive and free family members outnumber those of The Sockfaced Famiglia.
This wording does seem to imply that the Don can be arrested (unless the Police can be arrested :huh: ), but the Don role descriptions conflict with that, so idk.
Perhaps the secret role might be able to perform arrests? If not, I think it might just be a host error.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:12 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

What's with the Silverwolf vote, ika?
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:07 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

My interpretation of the don is that they can be killed by the Don+Hitman of the other family. Is that right?

I still like my idea of keeping our votes unofficial until the end of each day.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:40 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

Wilgy makes a good point. I'll try to stick to that. I think it could be a reasonable strategy to unofficially declare our votes if we want to change them later on, and then vote for our current declared suspect at the very end.
by Quin
Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:36 pm
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Re: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

it's time to d-d-d-d-duellllll

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