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Sorsha wrote:Oh wait sig... I tried turning you into an animal and it failed. So we figured you were probably Sen and should be gotten rid of. That's what it was!
Since we killed Sloonei?Quin wrote:I was reading this thread as it progressed and I had Sorsha down as a definite scum
Mainly.
Scotty wrote:rezz pls
-shakes sig's fist-sig wrote:That wasn't very nice.
-shakes fist-Long Con wrote:Well, not the first time I was wrong.
\_(:T)_/Epignosis wrote:I know who gets lynched.
'I don't owe you anything'. That's what you said. It is not a fabrication. you flat out refused to acknowledge it.Long Con wrote:Quin wrote:You don't think him refusing to acknowledge my suspicion of him back on Night 2 was shady? Ok.DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Quin because I think his approach towards LC has felt shady, and he made little effort to deefend himself, which kind of read like defeated baddie to me. Also, I don't think Wilgy is bad.Yeah, that's 99% a fabrication of yours, so that's probably why no one is worried about it.
I already said I wouldn't. You seem.overeager to lynch me though. Yet another thing that makes you look bad.Long Con wrote:I'd be a LOT more comfortable with more votes on Quin - looking at you specifically Wilgy, but anyone willing to join. The three heads are probably going to control the lynch if we just keep things all close-to-tied... and Quin and Wilgy are in the lead, but neither has voted for the other yet. So this is ripe for baddie manipulation. Come on, people, get your votes off the outliers that aren't getting lynched, and get them on to Quin so he can't manipulate his way out with Three-Head power.
You don't think him refusing to acknowledge my suspicion of him back on Night 2 was shady? Ok.DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Quin because I think his approach towards LC has felt shady, and he made little effort to deefend himself, which kind of read like defeated baddie to me. Also, I don't think Wilgy is bad.
Why would a mafia member want that conversation to exist in the first place?Sorsha wrote:Hmm.. ok. I think if baddie were to do it would be him of all people. He just seems like the quirky, zany type to try it and laugh it off...
nahLong Con wrote:He doesn't. He just knows he's not bad, because Quin IS bad.Sorsha wrote:How do you know he's civ?Quin wrote:Quin won't cause any shenanigans by voting wilgy for self preservation, since he's civ. You should all vote LC or sprityo.
Sorsha wrote:How do you know he's civ?Quin wrote:Quin won't cause any shenanigans by voting wilgy for self preservation, since he's civ. You should all vote LC or sprityo.
Yes, it was. I'm unenthusiastic about the concept of people no longer seeing LC as scum.Soneji wrote:That was a pretty unenthusiastic defense, Quin.
I've got nothing against that, vote away; I'm just not seeing the moment where all the LC wagoners jumped ship.DrWilgy wrote:If it's any constellation, I just didn't like your votes Quin.
Why shouldn't I vote you for that?
You'd be the same way if your main suspect essentially told you that your argument was irrelevant. Whatever he's doing to sway people is working, since on Day 2 everyone was gung-ho for LC and now it's me because I didn't let it go.DFaraday wrote:I'm never going to live that vote down, am I?sig wrote: Right now I'd like to pursue DF, his day 1 vote for Dom was weird, and it avoided both main wagons.
I don't agree with Quin's case on LC. It feels like he's determined to pursue it regardless of what LC says. Also, Eloh's reaction to the suspicion on her didn't make me feel better about her.
I didn't want G-Man to slide through Day 1 by promising to break any ties that came up when he might not even do it. I wanted to pressure him into action. The way he responded was good, he stuck to his guns on his decision.Dom wrote:That wasn't my point.Quin wrote:No it doesn't.
Quin wrote:Ooh, I do not mind the llama or Matt tie at all, no sir.Quin wrote:I made you a tieG-Man wrote:No one at this timethellama73 wrote:For whom are you inclined to break it, oh haiku-one?G-Man wrote:I'm no fan of ties
If still tied near the poll's end
I just might break it
Because there is not a tie
But I'll keep watching
Now whatever will you do
Where is your head at
What was your motive there?
I know that I don't have a lot of room to speak here myself becaue I missed the vote-- but....?
On all three counts, for someone not to understand the angle I was taking is incomprehensible. It was blatantly obvious that I had thought you were silenced. And again, you're bringing up the fact that I quoted Wilgy as some sort of scumread. His opinion was my opinion. I didn't hop on any argument. The argument was mine to begin with.Long Con wrote:Whoa whoa whoa... is THAT what Quin meant by "My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument"??Scotty wrote:Yeah after reassessing the thread and knowing now that Matt was good, Quin's vote for Matt actually broke the tie of Matt and Llama to make it 4-3. Add that to the fact that Quin has basically buddied me all game and that makes me uncomfortable. I might vote him tomorrow based on these points.Long Con wrote:Can you put Scotty's argument into your own words? What suspicion didn't I acknowledge?? Protip: the reason no one else is upset about that is that you are lying about it even happening. You have tried to create a little narrative where it's true, but it has fallen pretty flat because it has no real substance. You are bad, and I hope you get lots of votes tomorrow.Quin wrote:I'm pretty determined to put my vote on LC, though. My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument, but more recently his blatant dismissal to acknowledge suspicion looked pretty bad too.
Not to say you're out of my head, LC, but an instigation of WIFOM concerning pigifying yourself is not as substantive as voting records.Well, third time's the charm, ain't it?!
First time: Quin says "How... convenient" without qualifying it with something like "It's my opinion that Long Con likely silenced himself as a way to gain sympathy or cred from the Civilian faction." This is to try and push opinions toward thinking I silenced myself without actually being the one to put it out there.
Second time: Quin quotes Wilgy's zany-post "you no be swayed TRICKSY hooman PIG'D himself!!", once again pushing the idea that I silenced myself with as little of his own input as possible.
Third time: "My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument" See, Scotty actually talked about his suspicion that I (or teammate) silenced myself, which, as I have said before, is what Quin was waiting for. Waiting for someone else to make the argument so that he could support it. And look how it plays out. Even though Quin already commented out the side of his mouth TWICE before Scotty made the more straight-up suggestion, now he's trying to make it seem like it was the other way around: "My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument".
Just imagine yourself as a baddie who wants to silence a Civvie AND try to pin it on them. You don't want to be the one to push it so blatantly, because when that Civ gets lynched, it could lead back to you.
Quin is bad. If I die tonight, please lynch him tomorrow. If I don't die... well, then I'll see you at tomorrow's Quin lynch.
1) You voted me without providing any reasoning other than 'I don't like his posts'Long Con wrote:In defense of which actions??Quin wrote:The only thing you've said to me in defence of your actions are 'You were wrong last time', 'I hope you don't vote for me tomorrow' and a scum read for pursuing you. Call me crazy but these are not viable defences and I'll scum read anybody who follows you on this to high heaven.Long Con wrote:Can you put Scotty's argument into your own words? What suspicion didn't I acknowledge?? Protip: the reason no one else is upset about that is that you are lying about it even happening. You have tried to create a little narrative where it's true, but it has fallen pretty flat because it has no real substance. You are bad, and I hope you get lots of votes tomorrow.Quin wrote:I'm pretty determined to put my vote on LC, though. My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument, but more recently his blatant dismissal to acknowledge suspicion looked pretty bad too.
Because he's sigDrWilgy wrote:Sig, you just tried to argue a rainbow list based completely on vote record... Why?sig wrote:Ummm I had my vote on the same civ twice, that should count for something. Especially since I was first on him both times.
Because he's sigDrWilgy wrote:Sig, you just tried to argue a rainbow list based completely on vote record... Why?sig wrote:Ummm I had my vote on the same civ twice, that should count for something. Especially since I was first on him both times.
The only thing you've said to me in defence of your actions are 'You were wrong last time', 'I hope you don't vote for me tomorrow' and a scum read for pursuing you. Call me crazy but these are not viable defences and I'll scum read anybody who follows you on this to high heaven.Long Con wrote:Can you put Scotty's argument into your own words? What suspicion didn't I acknowledge?? Protip: the reason no one else is upset about that is that you are lying about it even happening. You have tried to create a little narrative where it's true, but it has fallen pretty flat because it has no real substance. You are bad, and I hope you get lots of votes tomorrow.Quin wrote:I'm pretty determined to put my vote on LC, though. My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument, but more recently his blatant dismissal to acknowledge suspicion looked pretty bad too.
I haven't buddied you all game. I voted who you voted because I both town read you and could get along with your argument. I already explained why I voted for Matt. Before that it was on Wilgy and that was a throwaway vote.Scotty wrote:Yeah after reassessing the thread and knowing now that Matt was good, Quin's vote for Matt actually broke the tie of Matt and Llama to make it 4-3. Add that to the fact that Quin has basically buddied me all game and that makes me uncomfortable. I might vote him tomorrow based on these points.Long Con wrote:Can you put Scotty's argument into your own words? What suspicion didn't I acknowledge?? Protip: the reason no one else is upset about that is that you are lying about it even happening. You have tried to create a little narrative where it's true, but it has fallen pretty flat because it has no real substance. You are bad, and I hope you get lots of votes tomorrow.Quin wrote:I'm pretty determined to put my vote on LC, though. My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument, but more recently his blatant dismissal to acknowledge suspicion looked pretty bad too.
Not to say you're out of my head, LC, but an instigation of WIFOM concerning pigifying yourself is not as substantive as voting records.
Oh no, I was talking to elohciN. I realise now that that was one of the most awful paragraphs I've ever written.G-Man wrote:Glad you think I'm civQuin wrote:I'm in agreement with you on SVS and G-Man. I especially like G-Man's response to my tie on day 1. We did play together for like 2 phases in Turf Wars but I wouldn't go as far as to say we really got to play together. Scotty is also giving me good vibes.Elohcin wrote:Unfortunately I only know that I am town. I am not 100% sure about anyone else. However, SVS and G-man seem to be acting like helpful civs. Even though sorsha hasn't posted a lot, I am leaning civ on her. I think Wilgy is acting a little more sane lately but still unsure. Blooper seems to be more distant than usual which I don't like. I always read her as civ, but its possible she is bad. LC seems civ and so does sonjei so far. I don't know about you, Quin, but mostly b/c I have yet to play with you before (I think). We have a lot of quiet players. Who are your top suspects and why?
But I did not play Turf Wars
No time for full games
I'm in agreement with you on SVS and G-Man. I especially like G-Man's response to my tie on day 1. We did play together for like 2 phases in Turf Wars but I wouldn't go as far as to say we really got to play together. Scotty is also giving me good vibes.Elohcin wrote:Unfortunately I only know that I am town. I am not 100% sure about anyone else. However, SVS and G-man seem to be acting like helpful civs. Even though sorsha hasn't posted a lot, I am leaning civ on her. I think Wilgy is acting a little more sane lately but still unsure. Blooper seems to be more distant than usual which I don't like. I always read her as civ, but its possible she is bad. LC seems civ and so does sonjei so far. I don't know about you, Quin, but mostly b/c I have yet to play with you before (I think). We have a lot of quiet players. Who are your top suspects and why?
Sounds good. Who makes you happy in this game, Elohcin? Who is town?Elohcin wrote:SVS, you are understanding my thoughts very well this game.S~V~S wrote:It's night. And lots of things kill the game a little.
Eloh appears to feel that the level of non-srs combined with the tone being taken by some folks makes her not want to respond. I don't think you have to be a mind reader to get what she's putting out. Telling people you feel like you are wasting your time when you spent half the game time so far basically role playing, essentially wasting HER time (from the Eloh perspective). I don;t know Eloh all that immensely well, and she & I have always had a somewhat problematic relationship as other than being American women, we have little in common.
But *I* can see what is putting her off.
Read her posts and respond to talk *to* her, not *at* her.
And I also agree with this statement.
I feel like I wish we could just start this game over and do it differently with more focus and seriousness. We can't do that obviously, but I can start over with a fresh perspective. Unfortunately, I just found out that I misunderstood my role a bit. So, between that and the lack of actual playing mafia on Day 1, I am going to try to put Day 1 in the back of my mind and kind of start new myself.S~V~S wrote:You aren't much acting like you,Wilgy. Not sure what that means, maybe nothing; you're one of those people who likes to mix it up. I think of you as kind of sweet; you are a little harder this game.
Quin wrote:Ooh, I do not mind the llama or Matt tie at all, no sir.
Quin wrote:I made you a tieG-Man wrote:No one at this timethellama73 wrote:For whom are you inclined to break it, oh haiku-one?G-Man wrote:I'm no fan of ties
If still tied near the poll's end
I just might break it
Because there is not a tie
But I'll keep watching
Now whatever will you do
Where is your head at
I don't like it when people don't respond either. Kills the game a little.DrWilgy wrote:Does anyone else want Elo to respond to me? I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting my time playing this game. This isn't about whether anyone agrees with me or not (I could still be wrong for all I know), It's about how I can present things and everyone seems ok with the subject matter not responding.
LC, who do you think are the 3 remaining.
SVS hbu?
Fu...sion... HA! *bends sideways with left index finger extended, but accidentally curls the right*Long Con wrote:How could I say no?DrWilgy wrote:Quin, Sig & Scotty. What do you think of one another?
LC you wanna fusion dance and become DrCon?
Fu...sion...HA! *bend sideways with index fingers extended*
They both smell weird. But in terms of alignment I'd town read Scotty and null-read sig.DrWilgy wrote:Quin, Sig & Scotty. What do you think of one another?
LC you wanna fusion dance and become DrCon?
I tied it because I wanted G-Man to break it.Long Con wrote:Matt
5
sig (4), sprityo (6), nijuukyugou (12), Quin (17), thellama73 (19)
23%
thellama73
6
S~V~S (8), Sloonei (9), Bubbles (13), DrWilgy (18), G-Man (21), DrWilgette (22)
27%
I was looking at the Day 2 poll, and, in the spirit of Quin being a baddie, the vote was 3-3 between Matt and Llama when Quin broke the tie to choose Matt over Llama.
DrWilgy ties it up again, which looks like he's not a baddie. Llama tries to save himself, then G-Man and DrWilgette seal the deal for him, which makes them look pretty good.
Okay. I'll just vote you tomorrow and we'll see how it goes if you're going to refuse to acknowledge that you need to defend yourself.Long Con wrote:Well, let's be honest, you didn't have the power to lynch me, you had the power to cast one vote for me, but instead you just nuzzled in there as soon as the Matt votes started to look like a train. You didn't "bother" or to do anything regarding me, and I reject the implication that I owe you anything.Quin wrote:That was the most tragic EoD post I've ever read. No face is my favourite.
LC, I didn't lynch you so that you would have a chance to come into Night 2 and prove yourself, but if you're just going to say 'I hope you don't lynch me' then I don't know why I bothered.
Furthermore, I happen to be in the middle of a larger post that involves responding and reacting to Day 2 stuff, but I'm also doing other stuff this evening, and returning to the computer here and there. We have almost 72 hours before the lynch is up, so why don't you just relax a little?
If it's the same kind of silencing as Yubaba's, she wouldn't have been able to vote at all. I reckon she's just being subtleSorsha wrote:Wilgette voted but didn't post? Is there more than one silencer maybe?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant.S~V~S wrote:Sure there is such a thing as civ behavior for individuals. Some more so than others depending on the situation. For the most part (everyone has exceptions) happy jolly joking Eloh has good BTSC; could be civ, could be bad. Cranky annoyed Eloh does not. This is mutually exclusive of tunneling. Based on this, not on tunneling, I would give only the bearest consideration to Eloh being bad. She seems annoyed in general with the way the thread is going (Quin wrote:I don't think there is such thing as 'civ behaviour', so I think it's pointless trying to discuss whether or not tunneling is civ behaviour or not.
If you're going to have that discussion, you should be asking whether a certain person would do this if they were civ. With that being said, other than my brief encounter with her in Turf Wars, I haven't played with Elohcin, so I have no idea whether she would or would not tunnel as she is.not a criticism, Eloh, just an observation) and whil I am OK with it, I can understand why.
@sig,no opinionon DF?
It was Epi, actually.Sorsha wrote:Ok, I'm sorry I've been more absent than usual so far this game. I feel like I need a bit of a Mafia break soon but I am still going to try my best here. I just caught up on today's posts...
No, it wasn't.. was it you? You were the one who wanted him dead in that game iirc.Quin wrote:Sloonei going first brings me back to Zodiac mafia where Epi, Sorscha and I killed him night 1. Sorscha, was this you, buddy?
I thought llama was irritated that I didn't save him. I'll have to go see what df's readon for voting Dom was. You feel good about Dom though?S~V~S wrote:I think Faraday could be bad. His vote for Dom was weak. Plus Llama did seem to get miffed about Sorshas faraday vote.
I think I am bear-y suspicious of Faraday.
What game was this? I remember zebra tunneling you all game long in Rocky & Bullwinkle also. Is this becoming some kind of tactic against you?Elohcin wrote:DrWilgy wrote:GOT iT!!! sriracha is a non-commital type of baddIE!!Sorsha wrote:Nothing. It was a throw away vote on someone who had no votes. Sorry if you're civ but I didn't want to get involved in the close vote/ tie situation.thellama73 wrote:What does DF have to do with any of this?
Games solved! Lets eat CAKE!!!
Okay this is my theory. I think Matt is bad bad bad. I think Wilgy is bad bad bad. Last game I was in with Matt he was bad. He tunneled me like nothing I've ever seen before. Anyone remember that? He talked about no one and nothing by getting me lynched. I think he and Wilgy are bad together and I think he has convinced Wilgy in BTSC to tunnel me this game. I am voting Matt today. If he isn;t lynched, I will vote him tomorrow. And the next day. And once he is lynched I will go after Wilgy. If you hate that I am going to play the game this way, hate it. I don't care. I REALLY think I am right about this and I am not letting Matt survive all game as a baddie again.
It's one of those powers that's good for self- targeting (or teammate targeting). Who do you think would have been a "more trusted" target for her to target?Scotty wrote:I do think that if Matt doesn't turn up bad (which I think he will) then LC is out next to go after. Yubaba may have turned him into a pig, but that's a crafty maneuver that I wouldn't put past LC's team to do. It builds cred. Why LC? It's not like he is the most trustworthy person around town. Wouldn't Yubaba want to do it to someone a little more trusted? It seems too convenient.
Also Wilgy sure is acting stinky.
As someone who has been lynched while silenced (shakes fist at Matt) I think we should put LC on the back burner for today until he can defend himself. Lynching a silenced player is mean.DrWilgy wrote:NOO!! do not lynch hooman MATT first!!! hoOman MATT listens to tem!!!
lynch PIG LC, hoomans CUUUUTE!!! pig NOT cute!!
What don't you like about it? Does DF defending Matt make one or both of them bad? Who are you suspicious of?sig wrote:I dislike this post, Matt only has three votes? DF is making it seem like he is being bandwagoned and most players are voting for him.DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking how many votes Matt is getting. He's acting weird, but it just feels Matt-weird, not shady baddie behavior weird.
True, but it was pretty clear that Wilgy has been open to all sorts of options, so I don't see how it could be perceived as such.S~V~S wrote:I think "lying" =/= "perceiving things differently"
How do you think he would have been blocked? Boh was the only roleblocker (omitting the secret roles) which, given the characters in the movie, I don't see them having a roleblocking power.S~V~S wrote:Radish could also have been blocked. I had a different role in mind for Sloonei.
I only see wilgy doing all he has as messing around, but that makes him incredibly hard to read.Bubbles wrote:since votes are changable going to put mine on drwiglette for now, for being the last to vote for llama. and drwigly's recent posts are also quite strange but i cant believe a mafioso would put themselves in the line of fire like that, seems like he is messing around or being messed with. in either case dont want to add to it.
I don't like the way long con and llama interacted and I think his vote was an attempt at an organised bandwagon.Bubbles wrote:why long con?Quin wrote:I had my vote on Matt by accident, so I moved it to Long Con who was my intended vote.
