The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Matt wrote:Oh btw, chaos age...

Naaaaah, go eff yourself. I don't take kindly to threats.

I don't either. Why do you think I started a tunnel the moment I was no longer silenced? Just let that sink for a bit.

WTF is this? This is why you are tunneling me, because you think I sent some behind the scenes game-threat at you? Some sort of blackmail? I have no frakking clue what you are talking about, whatever it is that you think points that shit at me, rethink it, because I have enough on my plate already without this crap.

Wow, LC where did I say that? That's an awfully specific accusation and nowhere did I come close to saying that. Where on Earth did you get that exactly?

Oh. Well... first of all I guess I'm glad you don't think that, but: Matt's post seems to be responding to something he got behind the scenes (from someone called "chaos age")... the response seems to be a denial of chaos age's demand of him, which was backed up with some sort of threat, which one can assume results from non-compliance. Then you came in and acted like you knew just what he was talking about, and said that's the reason you started tunnelling. I am the one you are tunnelling.

The inference here is that you believe I am the one that is threatening both of you. I guess "blackmail" isn't the right word... "coercion", perhaps?

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly, LC, when you say things like this then you encourage her to shut you down. There's just no reasonable purpose for this post to exist at all, and it bears an attitude that would make many civilians want to lynch you and also want to ignore you.

Way to turn it around, JJJ! Guess what, everyone was ignoring me well before I made any posts like that - the only reason I had to MAKE a post like that is because my REGULAR posts were getting ignored, and Silverwolf was getting away with a load of empty rhetoric crap against me.

Go ahead and lynch me if you think that's best, but at least be honest and say it's because you don't like how I play, not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Matt wrote:Oh btw, chaos age...

Naaaaah, go eff yourself. I don't take kindly to threats.

I don't either. Why do you think I started a tunnel the moment I was no longer silenced? Just let that sink for a bit.

WTF is this? This is why you are tunneling me, because you think I sent some behind the scenes game-threat at you? Some sort of blackmail? I have no frakking clue what you are talking about, whatever it is that you think points that shit at me, rethink it, because I have enough on my plate already without this crap.

Matt wrote:Oh btw, chaos age...

Naaaaah, go eff yourself. I don't take kindly to threats.

Long Con wrote: You're not trying to game solve. If you were, then you would have a discourse with me, not just repeat obvious scum move over and over.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:If we can get rid of Cain, then we probably won't have to kill all Cylons. Epi deserves a chance to get to that point I think, since he's the one Cylon who has a chance of being 'good', whatever that means.

I agree with your basic idea though...I just think we should vote OA to the top to force her to claim amnesty. I know I said bea before, but I like bea because she is not ignoring my words.

What do you think of Silverwolf sig?

Linki: it absolutely does concern me when someone is lying to try and get me lynched. I say people don't listen to you because if they did, they would be agreeing with .Edgar.

obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play obvious scum play

Good talk, thanks.

Long Con wrote:If we can get rid of Cain, then we probably won't have to kill all Cylons. Epi deserves a chance to get to that point I think, since he's the one Cylon who has a chance of being 'good', whatever that means.

I agree with your basic idea though...I just think we should vote OA to the top to force her to claim amnesty. I know I said bea before, but I like bea because she is not ignoring my words.

What do you think of Silverwolf sig?

Linki: it absolutely does concern me when someone is lying to try and get me lynched. I say people don't listen to you because if they did, they would be agreeing with .Edgar.

sig wrote:So Say we All!

Okay so I still need to catch up but I saw the night results,

STOP VOTING FOR LORAB!

Why you may ask the answer is simply, right now we need to kill all the cylons the cylon amnesty law is still in play. We should make Epi the number 1 wagon and Lorab the number 2 wagon, So Epi will need to claim he's a cylon so he won't have the amnesty and then Lorab will still be lynched. We need to make sure everyone is on board with this though and we don't have what happened yesterday where Lorab had fewer votes then the counterwagon.


@HOST was no kill submitted or was the nightkill blocked? Also when did the Marmot law start working? Would it have blocked last nights kill?

Almost done school for the year so bear with me here.

Long Con wrote: I don't know why I'd expect an actual discourse with you. You have your playstyle and that's what you do. Fortunately, I think people listen to you even less than they listen to me.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:Lemme see if I can think of them all.

1. I Didn't think nutella was bad based on JJJ's post, partly because I thought he was misleading about her ika perspective, partly because I thought he was bad.

2. I jumped in and sent the Sortie to a different square, partly for fun, partly to make a point.

3. I tried to fan the flames between Silverwolf and Matt Never mind, that was just a lie that Silverwolf told.

... I don't remember any more right now

I didn't lie. Matt and I were going at it. It had died down, you came back in and said that Matt's case was very thorough and that if you voted off emotions, you'd believe him. Then got defensive when I called you on it. All anyone has to do is ISO me to see all the points I've laid out against you. Or ISO JJJ and see his case. You laying out the points is like asking a criminal to examine and present their own evidence. Don't worry. I can do what JJJ did and tear apart your ISO. I just haven't had time yet.

You did lie. You said "he got involved with the whole Matt and I think to try to stir it up when it was dying down". That is a lie, because anyone who reads my post can see that I was saying that he points about you aren't alignment-indicative.

And you have lied again just now by saying I got defensive.

Is lying part of your role or something?

I covered all your "points" against me just now in my numbered list. There's not much there.

Matt wrote:So Say We All!

I think we should find Admiral Cain and destroy her as soon as possible.

Adama or BUST!

I'd have to ISO some peeps, but off the top of my head, possible Cains based on them displaying an unhealthy obsession with destroying cylons OR refusing to say "I'm a cyclon" (which, lore wise, i could totally see Cain refusing to do)...

Long Con
Silver wolf
OA
bea

Are there any others who have been anti-cylon all the way from the get go? Or others who have refused to claim?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

bea wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

here you officially suspect me. Because I will not claim to be cylon when I am not. And I WILL hold on to that law in case I'm one of the Final 5. I'm a complete human who sympathizes with cylons and understands that things aren't as black and white as you are trying to make them.

Yup, we should totally lynch you.

Long Con wrote:Lemme see if I can think of them all.

1. I Didn't think nutella was bad based on JJJ's post, partly because I thought he was misleading about her ika perspective, partly because I thought he was bad.

2. I jumped in and sent the Sortie to a different square, partly for fun, partly to make a point.

3. I tried to fan the flames between Silverwolf and Matt Never mind, that was just a lie that Silverwolf told.

... I don't remember any more right now

bea wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

this pikes my interest - how do you see that re: rico? What do you see that I am missing? Or is this the Cylon Amnesty thing?

I agree re: DF - I give him rope and rope - but by day 4 his posts should have more content in them for a low poster than they have had.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.

What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.

Long Con wrote: Um no, I never said that about Rico. I think he's just misunderstanding me at this point. There is a difference between what he is doing and what you are doing. See if you can figure it out.

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Of course they wouldn't mean shit to you since you keep doing it.

You have plenty of suspicion on you already so I shouldn't have too much trouble getting you lynched.

Yup, and you just accused Rico of maybe doing it as well.

And by all means, bring it on.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

Can you answer my first demand as well, instead of being selective?

But even so:
Everyone claims.
Baddies lose amnesty.
Status quo of normal lynch resumes.

That's fine, but it's just that. We civs gain no advantage.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

sig wrote: I disagree any if I was mafia thing can be used by mafia. And mafia can openly defend their teammates smart mafia do it, the winners of GoC did it and I've done it multiply times and have never gotten lynched in the past. So saying smart mafia wouldn't do this is WIFOM ridden and inaccurate.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

Very creative, President! What's gonna happen? I predict that the player that is going to be lynched today will, not before deadline minus fifteen minutes, declare themselves a Cylon in order to avoid getting lynched.

Aware of this likelihood, we will have some sort of loose idea of a second-place lynch candidate with some votes, provided we can all come to some agreement about who's voting where and what it will mean in the new reality this law dictates.

This second-place candidate will likely be paying attention, and declare themselves a Cylon to survive, in which case the third-most votes will decide the lynch target. If we somehow come together harmoniously enough to be able to plan for this eventuality, I propose we go for a low-posting type, someone we just don't have the ability to give a solid read on, but more importantly, someone who isn't going to be likely to declare themselves a Cylon. You dig what I'm saying?

(And of course, everyone but Epi who declares themselves a Cylon to escape lynch is going to later deny being a Cylon, claiming only to have said it under threat of death, etc. Right? I don't see this law as being likely to catch Cylons.)

That will take some indiglo-Sortie-level-planning, and I don't know if it's possible. I think it would take at least three designated players who will be around at lynch time to choose the third target on the fly or something. Even just typing this out, my mind is blown by how much this changes the entire landscape of the lynch. We can choose to let fate and vote timing and online availability decide this lynch in a more uncontrollable way than usual... or we can come together and work with each other to keep tight control on who is getting lynched. Either option works for me. I'm too lazy to take the helm in an organization bid.

I just wanted to talk out some scenarios in order to get everyone thinking in portals. This crazy law is forever, each one of us gets to literally stop their own lynch with a simple post once in the game, be it today or on Day 14. This is our new reality, breath it in and taste it.

DrWilgy wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Sometimes silencing a common civ read can save them from NK and bring other players out of lurking. Perhaps forcing activity from others was the intention. Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure you are bad. ISO incoming.

If you think you're going to head down this road, I suggest you bring an army, pops. There are a couple of players that I'll see lynched over my dead body and she's one of them. Emotional or not, I'd bet my life that that girl flies the civilian flag.

So are you Cavil and shes one of your btsc buddies? Pr is it the other way around?

HA! Not even remotely. (And wtf, if I was do you think I'd slip and out myself right there? lol) I don't know for sure whether or not she's a human or civilian. But, I highly doubt she's a mafia. If she was, her mafia team would have either A) reigned her in with her outbursts or B) thrown her under the buss to gain civvie cred while she was silenced. The fact that neither has happened an she is still very much playing a hugely emotional game says to me there's no way she's a mafia. She's a civvie.

Why do you suddenly think she's a mafia out of the blue? Hmm?


Linki: golden already answered. Claiming cylon negates their votes. So The person with the most votes would simply no longer exist as an option which would roll it down the the next most.

1. Only a baddie can slip.
2. What brought that possibility to mind if it was impossible? Thinking of slipping is something only a baddie would naturally do.
3. I think you just did.

We found our Cavil everyone!

Spacedaisy wrote: Linki: Silver, Nero is not allowed to talk on topic at this point so angry tirades about him of a personal nature would probably be best directed to the moderator on duty. That said, I am glad to know you can talk again.

Spacedaisy wrote: I was already upset with SW, which I will not address here, because frankly, it's not game relevant and I do not wish to discuss it further because it likely only upset me again.

Matt wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Matt wrote: SW - Please give me examples of every quote that I "took out of context". Thanks.

All of them. You're welcome. BTW-I'm not going to continue the argument of whether or not I am enjoying this game. If you want to vote me for it tomorrow, be my guest.

I just wanted to know how I took your quotes out of context. You couldn't provide any examples.

Ergo, your statement of "Matt took all my quotes out of context" is false and you should be lynched immediately.

Matt wrote: SW - Please give me examples of every quote that I "took out of context". Thanks.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Fixed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:By the way, me being emotional in games is NEVER alignment indicative.

Many people do, so it's not easy to just accept this statement as true.

I don't think you're a Cylon, but I will play devil's advocate.

Well, it's the truth. Whether people want to believe it or not is up to them but it's impossible for me to ever fake emotions as either alignment. If I get that way, it's because I feel that way and it happens as both alignments although I'm working on changing it, it's part of my personality so I doubt that change I'll come easy. I'm sure the first game I can get it under control I'll be lynched D1 for it.

After a little research on mafiascum, I found one recent couple game where Silverwolf was scum:

Fire and Ice Mafia

It supports her claim though. I don't see any emotional outbursts from her. Very level-headed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:By the way, me being emotional in games is NEVER alignment indicative.

Many people do, so it's not easy to just accept this statement as true.

I don't think you're a Cylon, but I will play devil's advocate.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:No LC-I was calling that civ v civ because I had a townread on both of them. I already said that earlier. I talk like that all the time in games when I townread people. And you seriously think Matt's opinion of me liking the game was thorough when all he did was clip out a tiny off hand comment out of a post and blow it up into something it wasn't? Man, I have to remember that the next time I come up with some complex case.

Damn, I call people town and suddenly it's because I know they are town and slipped. I just can't fucking win around here no matter what I do. It's a case of damned no matter what you say over the simplest things. I'd call you both scum for it except I don't really see scum taking this approach right now and I lean town on you both.

And sense of humor Silver would come out to play more often if she didn't keep getting killed so early in games all the time.

What? Yeah, I call it thorough when he pulls, like, twenty separate quotes indicating that you are angry or upset, and takes the time to underline the pertinent parts. Isn't that pretty thorough?

Sorry for killing you in Downton Abbey on Night 1. I only did it because ika said that he kills you night 1 when he's bad, and I wanted to frame him. It didn't work.