The Syndicate

Whoa!

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:3J is trying to appear neutral and has succeeded.

Epi, one thing is bugging me about you: it's D6. Why did the mafia spare you?

D6?

Also, why do you assume the mafia has spared me?

Day Six.

Because you're still alive and they could have nightkilled you by now.

3J is trying to appear neutral and has succeeded.

Epi, one thing is bugging me about you: it's D6. Why did the mafia spare you?

Polo wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish.

For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel.

You need to post your vote in dead read in order for it to be valid.

EBWOP: didn't read the linki, sorry

insertnamehere wrote:Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish.

For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel.

You need to post your vote in dead read in order for it to be valid.

Ricochet wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I think that by "us" he actually meant his Mafia faction.

I don't really think MM is mafia.

I'm inclined to believe President Laura Roslin has, according to her role power, received a prophecy that revealed that MM is civ and edited a law in order to prevent the mafia from NK'ing him.

@Drumbeats so, if my guess was right, then I'm mafia to you? That is utterly ridiculous and I'd expect a solid accusation from anyone who doubts my civness.

Dex wrote:I'd like to invite everybody to think about how lucky we've been so far.

1. Indi triggered the rez ship event as early as it could possibly happen. We just so happened to find a cylon on our first lynch. When Epi was instantly resurrected, it put that part of the show lore in Indi's mind, and she commented on it. We might very well not yet have found a cylon, in which case not yet know about the rez zhips, let alone have begun to hunt for them.

2. We identified and eliminated Cain pretty darn quickly after she seized control. Who knows how long it might have taken to find her? Ordinarily, martial law is still in effect at this point in the game.

3. We lynched O'Neill.

Except for this good fortune, we might be here today needing to do eight lynches, but unable to do any.

I mention this in support of Leoben being civ, in case anyone is thinking a four-team mafia seems too easy.

Martial law is not in effect anymore.

rabbit8 wrote:Did anyone actually capture the polls or am I supposed to make a fraking vote list myself? Because I hate that shit...

Day 2 and 3 done.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =60&t=1048

@Dex: how many mafia roles do you think exist in this game?

rabbit8 wrote:I hate most of you for this read. It's mostly absurd. I'm finished with day and night 1.........

Hey, SVS, I don't know what are your reads. Excuse me for asking everyone but I think being transparent about your own reads is a must if you have nothing to hide.

Here are mine, by the way:

RED = mafia
BLUE = neutral
GREEN = civ


a2thezebra
Bea
Black Rock
Dex
DrumBeats
Dr. Wilgy
Epignosis
G-Man
Glorfindel
JaggedJimmyJay
Matt
Metalmarsh89
ObscureAllure
Ricochet
sig
Silverwolf
S~V~S
SokothQultuq
Vompatti

Wilgy, what are your GTH reads of everyone?

It's really interesting how all of the people I have been suspicious of have been reading the other people I've been suspicious of as good.

I believe that, if I'm lynched, people should make good use of what I just said, along with the publicity of my role, to successfully hunt down the mafia - you guys will know where to look for.

Before anyone quotes this posts and says "Hey, he only said lynched! He's sure he's not getting NK'ed, so he must be Cylon !1!1!!!", be aware that no roles are publicized upon NKs and in that case nobody would know me, which invalidates what I have just suggested.

Why hasn't ObscureAllure claimed yet?

ObscureAllure wrote:

G-Man wrote:Another link:

Can you run that through the insanifier again so we can piece that together better, OA?

Karma Chameleon you? You've said nothing of nostology this entire epacme. You're a mafia who is trying anything he whap to turn suspicion on to me. Why would significative give you the assagai of DharmaHelper ? Sarah Jane Smith don't anglicize antaphrodisiac lactescence. At the start very the game, I really trusted Zebra. Now, I think that Zebra was either really good arr! hiding her alignment or was recruited. But I think sudorific are teammates.

my sides

I'm curious to know why Drumbeats hasn't voted Wilgy yet, if he's really such an "obvious lynch choice".

Mind you, I have absolutely no way at all of knowing whether Wilgy is Caprica Six or not; I've been guessing folks' humanity/cylonicity and alignment based on their behavior, vote history, attitude towards claiming and any signs of avoiding or attempting to budding with others here. This was how I approached all of the few mafia games I've played and it works most of the time; at least this beats voting by the gut, IMO.

Sometimes, especially during the first few days, this data is not enough and I have to take risks - and I have not, so far, found reasons to be ashamed of correcting Wilgy on his claim, for the results of this correction (if his previous claim attempts were really invalid) were better than accidentally lynching a helpful civ. Instead, we removed a manichaeism-preaching human from the game, and I'm fine with that.

I'm worried about Glorfindel, sig and zebra (now Rabbit8, who needs to join the conversation). Forgive me if I am mistaken, for I haven't paid much attention to this game in the past 3 or so days, but they've been scrubbing each other's backs for a while and attacking most of those who've publicly declared to be suspicious of them. Glorfindel seems especially dangerous and has been rather passive-aggressive towards me since I manifested my concerns about his non-claiming - which later led me to cast a vote on him - and I want whoever is Gaius Baltar (the one with the cylonoscopy power) to see if he's a potential toaster. Let's all hope Gaius is still alive, though.

Glorfindel's posts seem to be full of words but devoid of content.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think our general focus in this thread is too narrow right now, and I accept responsibility for part of that (given that my last huge ISO was about a player already being fielded as a top suspect).

I'd like to hear some alternative theories from people. I need some Matt talk right now. We've heard so much already about Glorfindel, sig, DrWilgy, et al. There's no way the game is as clear cut as the current climate of the game thread would seem to indicate.

~ I'd like to see people who suspect Ricochet provide a comprehensive case, for example. That started on Day 1 and has been ever-present, but never truly pursued in any meaningful way. I've town read him, I'd like to be challenged on that.

~ Polo needs to be cased more thoroughly than he has been. There've been a number of people who've tossed accusations his way but I don't believe it's ever been consolidated into a true case.

~ Who's tinfoiling on who?

Give me the juicy goss.

I'll answer anything you folks ask me.

If I were mafia in any game, I'd be dumb as shit not to leave BTSC chat open 24/7, especially on the verge of being lynched.

I see that some people, notably sig and Zebra, have shown adamant intent on voting me today. I have a couple of questions for you:

1) Don't you think that if I were mafia and buddies with DrWilgy, I would have rather warned him about the mispell on BTSC chat and hide from any suspicion whatsoever?
2) If, in fact, Wilgy only got immune because of the correct spelling AND he's really mafia, does that make me more of a baddie than he and therefore I should be the one getting lynched instead of the confirmed Cylon?

There's some food for thought.

EBWOP: So Say We All

Just like I said I would do it:

a2thezebra

Poor cylon wants to hang on to her immuniy

My theory: I think Spacedaisy was Boomer and Cally targeted him!

I'm down with lynching either sig or Zebra tomorrow. Maybe Wilgy, but I got a LOT of reading to do.

Glorfindel wrote:

Polo wrote:Have Gaius search me and see if I'm a Cylon. That would be a waste of a search, honestly, for I'm not Cylon - nor mafia Civ, if there is in fact such a thing, and if you want public proof of that just lynch me.

I was willing to take the chance and will dutifully accept and endure any public shaming on post-game or if a lynch reveals that Wilgy is mafia, but I believe he could be be a civ-aligned Caprica Six.

In any case, the results of today's lynch are not as bad as they could have been.

Let me just clarify in my own mind what happened here this afternoon, my friend... You have (since the appearance of the late Admiral Cain) been one of the most outspoken proponents of the theory that all our Cylon friends need to throw away what had been granted to them by law (under the Cylon Amnesty Act). You have held this view because (if I understand you correctly) you hold the view that the act of claiming and gaining amnesty may be used by Cylons to the detriment of the Town (in relevant circumstances where a Cylon is the lead wagon). Have I interpreted your reasoning correctly?

Because that seems disturbingly inconsistent with your actions this afternoon in assisting a Cylon to do precisely what you claim you've been fighting so hard to avoid I agree that the result was a good one for us but I think we were just extremely lucky there.

I had a very good ferling that Long Con was Cain - other people in this thread thought this too. Wilgy did a complete 360 and acted like an actual civ for a moment; hence why I thought that, if he was a good cylon, then it wouldn't be much of a bad idea to let him live and kill Cain.

We can lynch him whenever you want if you still doubt his alignment, though, and I still want everyone to claim. Let's just see if mafia will NK him or not. If they do, he's civ.

Are you still a bit insanified?

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Zebra ... not as black and white as she makes it seem.

The world has gone mad.

We're in the middle of fraking space. Everything is possible.

DrWilgy wrote:I guess my mindset at this moment is... I could claim. That would mean there's an actual chance for a baddie lynch instead of me, but then I'd just get killed tomorrow.

My win condition is probably negated anyways, so all I can do is help civs as best as possible before I go.


What would help out the most at this point though... Idk. I could bite the bullet, that way everyone can stop worrying about reading me, and the game can progress. I could also claim and potentially get rid of Cavil (whatever those chances may be).

Linki - Hmm? What Daisy. I didn't understand that fully.

Linki @ Dex - then we will just have to go through this again tomorrow.

This part is really interesting.

sig wrote:I'm happy with my vote on you Wilgy, I didn't see that you claimed and frankly it makes no sense why mafia me or civ me would purposely do think that. I had already said I was behind and just got on and I was skimming I liked the case on you and voted with it. IF LC had flipped as a baddie cylon I could see your suspicion but he didn't.

Also does anyone want to talk about Zebra suspicions list including juliets who is dead and confirmed civ? I wouldn't mind seeing her lynched either.

The only reason why I didn't vote Zebra was because she wasn't on the poll. It's up to her to convince me that everything is not as black and white as she makes it seem.

Have Gaius search me and see if I'm a Cylon. That would be a waste of a search, honestly, for I'm not Cylon - nor mafia Civ, if there is in fact such a thing, and if you want public proof of that just lynch me.

I was willing to take the chance and will dutifully accept and endure any public shaming on post-game or if a lynch reveals that Wilgy is mafia, but I believe he could be be a civ-aligned Caprica Six.

In any case, the results of today's lynch are not as bad as they could have been.

Because I think he might be Caprica Six.

Polo wrote:

sig wrote:and polo is helping a baddie to claim and not get ;lynched why?

Right now I don't think he's a baddie. You're the guy that just waited until 10 minutes before the poll closes and votes for a wagon on someone immune and you want to complain about me?

Your last post containing any material discussion whatsoever was 2 days ago. You could have contributed to the thread but you waited until now. You're sleazy.

sig wrote:and polo is helping a baddie to claim and not get ;lynched why?

Right now I don't think he's a baddie. You're the guy that just waited until 10 minutes before the poll closes and votes for a wagon on someone immune and you want to complain about me?

DrWilgy wrote:Players that I would vote for at this point are OA, BR, and Sig McMuffin. I don't have a good enough read on either Glorf or LC to say they are mafia or not and it's between them two...

I'm Cyclon and this is my claim.

Linki - Holy mother of Fish. 3 tossed votes?

CYLON. It doesn't work unless you say it correctly.

Well, if you're civ, you should claim and use your night power in our favor.
If you're mafia, then don't claim and die.

Vote for whoever you think is mafia.

I hope Long Con isn't civ.

So Wilgy is Caprica Six, if he isn't lying.

Joke's on you, he's an atheist.

DrWilgy wrote:

Polo wrote:You had plenty of time to declare.

And so did the other six.

Y'know something that confused me about this whole mass claiming thing. Why? what is the purpose? isn't it a tool for both mafia and civilian? why would we want to negate it?

Linki - Me claiming doesn't buy me a day. If you want to wagon onto me tomorrow to find out, go for it. I'll die today unclaimed though.

It's much more of tool for Mafia than it is for Civs. It's only helpful to civs if you're one of the Final Five that is civ-aligned.

You had plenty of time to declare.

EBWOP: claimed*

DrWilgy wrote:

Polo wrote:Yes, you can. Why didn't you declare that you are a Cylon yet?

Why would I? aren't there others who haven't claimed?

There are other six people who think the same. Why not join the unclaimed?

Yes, you can. Why didn't you declare that you are a Cylon yet?

I am a civilian that is comfortable with his opinion.

Based on what I've gathered from the thread until now, I have good reason to believe it so, which is why I cast my vote.

12 votes out of 23.

3 and a half hours to go.

Ricochet wrote:Long Con's plan:

Wilgy top wagon.
Him second wagon.

Force Wilgy Piranha Plant Queen of Hearts.
Con dies, if Wilgy BTSC a Cylon.

We get "bonus" nincompoop out resperse Wilgy claiming.
protecting Jim Moriarty Con is Cylon.

Right?
*puts sponginess Kahlan on*

Right?!!