The Syndicate

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and no response......

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And if you want to get super techincal, there is a confirmed civ, drwigles is confirmed civ

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I mean, why do you discount people town reading each other? do you have any town reads yourself?

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Charles Mingus wrote:John and Vince, if you two move to Fleck we can get a baddie lynch rather than a coin flip.

Heres just one example of trying to save his ass. and no matter what way you look at it, you are trying to stop his lynch

November

Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:Fleck is town. He voted for both scums, was voted by scum, was pressured all day and came off town, anyone that still pushes this gets lynched.
How about we push you instead?
Why? shes confirmed civ.

how about we push you? how come you were so adiment to save tito?
Why push me? I'm confirmed civ. Is this a running joke that I'm not in on or is everyone in this game really deluding themselves to think that their strongest town reads are more than reads and that in fact that they know...for a fact, that the people they think are town are actually the people that they know are town, and that everyone else knows this as well, or at least they should. What am I missing?

Well lets see:
you are arong on me, you are wrong on billie, you were wrong on tito while we were all right. i think thats a nice start

Because every time since the start of the game someone has referred to someone else as a "confirmed civ" I've failed to see the basis for such a bold claim or if it's just humorous then I'm missing the humor.

I say confirmed civ cus i know scum her does not bus. not only that she has been scum hunting, poking people, doing iso, and working with people who want to

Billie Holiday is not a confirmed civ. There are no confirmed civs. Get over it.

billie is confirmed civ though, there are sevral confirmed civs actualy, your just not reading the context

As for me being adament to save Tito, I don't like lynching lurkers. Ever. You've already established that you disagree with me on that so there's no need to repeat yourself, but don't act like I was going out of my way to save him.

ok i can litarly pull a quote where you tried to get people to swtich over to me, that is very much going out of your way to save it.

I don't like lynching inactive players because little to no information is gained from it, and their flip is more often than not a gamble. We got lucky this time, because there was zero reason to think that Tito was bad based on his tiny vote record and his couple of posts

and this is why town will lose more often then not, scums can be jsut as inaactive as town. there was no "luck" involved with the lynch

I'd rather lynch players based on content and your content seemed the worst to me by a fair margin. Now Billie is seeming more likely to be bad than you.

and players not posting is also contents. billie is town and im going to bank my life on it. not only do i know silver, but she has been scum hunting, isoing, pushing people, defending her town reads, acting in a town manner.

so we are no lycnhign billie

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:Fleck is town. He voted for both scums, was voted by scum, was pressured all day and came off town, anyone that still pushes this gets lynched.
How about we push you instead?

Why? shes confirmed civ.

how about we push you? how come you were so adiment to save tito?

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Why is nobody here....

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quote got butchered but what i said was this:

Plz tell me why i am scum then? like i apprently bussed both of my buddies and was a cw to one fo them? do you really think that scumis going to play like that?

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Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:re we still going to argue i am scum after this?

CALLED IT
I was ready to switch my vote from you if it had been necessary. I was fairly convinced by midday today that you were Civ, but I figured that keeping the pressure on you would do more good than bad. It's still very hard to convince me that Mingus is bad though, I mean, the crucial vote that sunk the Godfather?? I had a much easier time believing that your first vote on Buble was a teammate vote, because one little vote on a teammate doesn't mean too much if the lynch doesn't go south.

I think we got pretty lucky with Tito turning up bad, by going for an inactive.
Ok do you still think im scum or town though? i dont really see a full read

i mean his entire agrument for "town cred" could be applied to him as well dont you think?

i disagree hat we were luck that we go him for inactivty,i have seen scums do that so much that i much rather purge inactive first.
And I have seen it go wrong more often than not. Count me in as a supporter either way though - as I said earlier, I like to leave the talkers alive, for a more exciting game!

Plz tell me why i am scum then? like i apprently bussed both of my buddies and was a cw to one fo them? do you really think that scumis going to play like that?

I'm just going to maintain my scum read of you for now, Fleck. You're not out of the woods yet, I've still got my eye on you, you're probably the last baddie, and we'll just see about that tomorrow! Otherwise, I ain't sayin' nothin' at night unless I've the right mind to. *tips hat*

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Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:re we still going to argue i am scum after this?

CALLED IT
I was ready to switch my vote from you if it had been necessary. I was fairly convinced by midday today that you were Civ, but I figured that keeping the pressure on you would do more good than bad. It's still very hard to convince me that Mingus is bad though, I mean, the crucial vote that sunk the Godfather?? I had a much easier time believing that your first vote on Buble was a teammate vote, because one little vote on a teammate doesn't mean too much if the lynch doesn't go south.

I think we got pretty lucky with Tito turning up bad, by going for an inactive.

Ok do you still think im scum or town though? i dont really see a full read

i mean his entire agrument for "town cred" could be applied to him as well dont you think?

i disagree hat we were luck that we go him for inactivty,i have seen scums do that so much that i much rather purge inactive first.

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scum is in miguns/himori right now looking at wagon comparison

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after this and looking at his flip coltrain is prob town, he was voted by tito on day 1 cw

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mingus needs to be coped checked

he eats rope next

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re we still going to argue i am scum after this?

CALLED IT

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Ornette Coleman wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Ornette Coleman wrote:The essential truth is that people are mobile, not their devices. In anthropological terms, movement is at the foundation of the human condition.
Do you have anything game repeated? Or do you care to explain your constant vote switch?
I don't. Do you care to explain why you haven't switched yours when there is clearly an option to?

To who? My vote is on Tito. Where else should it be?

Why are you telling me what I should be doing where should it be?

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Ornette Coleman wrote:The essential truth is that people are mobile, not their devices. In anthropological terms, movement is at the foundation of the human condition.

Do you have anything game repeated? Or do you care to explain your constant vote switch?

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:She gave game reasons you you said jack shit to it so
Anyone paying even peripheral attention to the thread knows that the opposite is true. How about you defend yourself instead of letting her do all the defending for you? What do you have to say about the suspicions against you?

Will you make he bullet points like she said? The only point I have seen from reading as of late is the one where I bus/distanced

FYI I use crime so it remembers pass so that why I don't know it if your wondering

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Chris Potter wrote:Can you please use your sockpuppet account?

I'm mobile and I don't know my password offhand. Sadly I can't

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She gave game reasons you you said jack shit to it so

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And when I flip town you will stop speaking and listen to someone who knows me?

When I flip town you eat rope

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Billie Holiday wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:im done here jsut lycnhe me and be donw with it so i can laugh at all of you later

im sick of this constant bellteltment where im always on defense
I'd suggest taking a break from the game.

im already leaving in a bit im sick of this and done with it. anywhere i go i get the same damn treatment: bend over and play how we play, we dont like how your playing or defning yourself, we dont liek any of it

you would think that after 4 years you get used to it but you dont

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im done here jsut lycnhe me and be donw with it so i can laugh at all of you later

im sick of this constant bellteltment where im always on defense

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Charles Mingus wrote:If you don't want to get lynched Mr. Fleck, you're going to have to defend yourself. If you want to defend yourself, you're going to have to *gasp* actually read what the accusations against you are. You got some nerve saying that it's everyone else that needs to listen to actual reason. If you haven't read Dixon's giant wall post then how do you even know if it can be summarized in a few words or not? You can't expect anyone to listen to you if you won't listen to anyone else.

i read enough of the post to realize its read list epi

how am i supposed to defend myself against the accusiations that i was a bussing teamate? shout that im not?

i got enough nerve to shout cus i have been shouting and yelling all game and tryign to defend myself but everoyne is basicly ignoring me.

i have no desire to even say anything when people are telling em i need ot bend backwards to them, i am not saying i am either and anyone who thinks i am like that should realise i am the last person to do so

im staing a simple thign i have seen in my 4 years of playing, sucms dont bus on day 1 if they can help it

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Ornette Coleman wrote:If you guys are too lazy to read the complete thread, why are you even playing?

I read the thread, i jsut tend to not read giant wall posts that can be summarized in a few words. antoher tip of me is i would be paying mor attention to posts. not only that but he has bascily been doing caracter play all in that post so im not trying to read it in character

im gonna be out soon fyi

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When i flip town i hope people still stop listing to dumb conspeicy throies and listen to actual reaosn on how bussing a gf is shit teri play

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Tha being said bill whats the TLDR of that. im not a person to read wall posting

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Miles Davis wrote:Fleck, I do not believe that it is beyond your capabilities to post more and make spelling mistakes as a deliberate fake-out when you are bad. I mean... how gullible do you think we are?

On another note, I should say that I have been getting a bad feeling from Chris Potter. I looked to see where he voted, though, and he was second voter for Buble. So that's a bit lame, to suspect another Buble voter in addition to Fleck... but there it is.

Chris Potter wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:This is just hilarious.

Also, I love how Fleck says the baddies would never bus Buble, unless of course I'm doing it (the final fucking vote) in which case it's not only possible but probable. Right. Then we've got Chris Potter sensing a bandwagon or two brewing and ready to be one of the first to jump it without contributing any arguments as to why.
I believe Fleck and Holiday were the first ones to vote for Bublé, buddy. They're either town or just too goddamn dumb.
This just felt like a baddie who knows Fleck and Holiday are Civ, and was buddying them.

and here you are still voting me......

as for spellign mistakes thats something thats nonalignemt indicatinve. i always ahve typos im jsut lazt to correct it

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Bela Fleck wrote:meta to some can be changed in a single post, mines can not. mines takes a lot more then jsut going "ok change meta"

my meta has a very strong consistency that i have told silver long ago back when we first stated dating and it will never change. its my number 1 town tell that i am self aware of and do not plan on ever changing it

^to clarify, the single aspect of meta that cnat be changed no matter what is a perosn playing to wincon, theotcily speaking everone has an agenda and that is this: achieve your wincon

arguing that all meta can bbe changed is wrong cus everyone need sot get to wincon so they have to follow a consitency that leads to seid wincon

that does not mean someon can change their posting style

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meta to some can be changed in a single post, mines can not. mines takes a lot more then jsut going "ok change meta"

my meta has a very strong consistency that i have told silver long ago back when we first stated dating and it will never change. its my number 1 town tell that i am self aware of and do not plan on ever changing it

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:The thing with meta is no matter how much you try to manipulate it, it follows a consistency. certain parts of meta can be changed, but meta has a few specfic traits that alwasy carry no matter what
Absolutely not true.

100% true, no matter what angel you look at it scum/town/3p always have a consistency. its to achieve their wincons.

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:So, hypothetically, if you had, say, an agenda in this game right now, what would it be?
Are we actualy arguing that i bussed my GF in this scnario? cus my first agenda would of been to vote someone someone not on my scum team.

my agenda would of been like this:

day1: ranodm vote and try to find the cop
night 1: kill the cop (if not i would of killed silver)
day2 (if cop is dead): argue theres a gf in the game and that sucms are skilled an set up another lynch
day2 (if not dead): try to poe cop again and set myself up to crumb/claim cop if ran for a lynch

after that i would repeat the cycle a bit, i would expect myself to be lynched in day 3 latest as scum.but ti wouldnt be before i have basicly layed the groundworks for my allies to set up other lynches
Buble is your GF? What? If you're aware of what you would do if you were a baddie then as a baddie you can be aware to go against what you would normally do, and then go on to use that to your advantage in the thread if your identity has been revealed and your meta can be called into question. Now you have to understand it's not unreasonable to not just take your word for it when you say that you wouldn't bus Buble. You think I did after all and you definitely don't know who I am, so since I don't know you very well you shouldn't just be shrugging off any similar accusation.

ifi was scum, bubbles would have to be my gf no? everyone is aware of what they would do yes. but your agurment is falling shot on many basis

i cant just go "ok change my way how i do thing" i alaways have a plan no matter what when im scum. i dont change it ever. i dont use my meta to my advantage at all, infact i use it for the opposite as you can see.

my meta can be called into quesion all it likes, i have games ot back it up and silver can atone to my meta cus i talk to her every day. not only that but i have told her every single scum plan i have ever arranged and how i operate as scum.

the agneda is always a consistency in scums, scums need to myslynch, thats an agenda no matter what angle you look at it.

as for who you are epi, its pretty clear based on convos in other threads that you are the only one who shits on meta so you have that too

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:oh and heres a little tip for an agenda if i ever run one, i tend to be less acitve then i am. i like settign up town v town fights and let them eat each other, the less i can do and get away with the better i will do.

i mean realisticly after his lynch i could of literally said nothing about the town reads on me but instead i decided to make waves and poke people about stuff.
If you ever run an agenda? You mean you've never had one before? That's pretty much the opposite of what Billie said.

im refering to context in general, yes when i am scum i run a freaking agenda i always do. its when i do it what i do

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oh and heres a little tip for an agenda if i ever run one, i tend to be less acitve then i am. i like settign up town v town fights and let them eat each other, the less i can do and get away with the better i will do.

i mean realisticly after his lynch i could of literally said nothing about the town reads on me but instead i decided to make waves and poke people about stuff.

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The thing with meta is no matter how much you try to manipulate it, it follows a consistency. certain parts of meta can be changed, but meta has a few specfic traits that alwasy carry no matter what

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:i always say those who dont use meta ar epeopel who dont knwo how to use it.
What's that supposed to mean?

One who does not use meta at all and "craps" on it are people who acutaly dont know how to use meta itself

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Charles Mingus wrote:So, hypothetically, if you had, say, an agenda in this game right now, what would it be?

Are we actualy arguing that i bussed my GF in this scnario? cus my first agenda would of been to vote someone someone not on my scum team.

my agenda would of been like this:

day1: ranodm vote and try to find the cop
night 1: kill the cop (if not i would of killed silver)
day2 (if cop is dead): argue theres a gf in the game and that sucms are skilled an set up another lynch
day2 (if not dead): try to poe cop again and set myself up to crumb/claim cop if ran for a lynch

after that i would repeat the cycle a bit, i would expect myself to be lynched in day 3 latest as scum.but ti wouldnt be before i have basicly layed the groundworks for my allies to set up other lynches

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Miles Davis wrote:I don't feel all that comfortable basing anything on what "ika" is likely to do because this is a sockpuppet game. It's distasteful to keep referring to Fleck's real identity so flagrantly, and it's exponentially compounded by full-on multi-post defending him based on his real identity. We - you, Billie - shouldn't even know who he is beyond "Bela Fleck". I'm not biasing my opinion of the actions of Bela Fleck based on what ika is or isn't supposedly likely to do. I'm not likely to judge ika himself based on what ika says he does as a baddie, I think that whole idea sounds like a trap to prey on idiots... but it's absolutely not going to even be considered by me for judging Bela Fleck.

i disagree that its distateful at all, i refer to billie as silver cus its pretty clear to em who it is. i outed my selft he first time on accident, after the next time when it was aparent who i was i didnt try to hide it cus i find no reaosn to.

my actions are a refleciton fo who i am in any game annons or not. its more power for you epi to not read meta but i always say those who dont use meta ar epeopel who dont knwo how to use it.

i would defned ymself how i would even if i wasnt revelaed by outing my meta of what i woud do as scum.

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:I'm tired of ika being scumread and voted for when he is town.
Perhaps it would happen less if you put in an effort to argue why you're so sure that he's town besides knowing him.

Perhaps it wouldn't happen hardly at all if his town meta wasn't, in your own words, to be scummy.
Well if people are to accomidate to metas that are scumym by a defualt then maybe it wouldnt be such a problem?

this is the thign thats worng with sites, people set these "standards" of how to play. when someone doesnt follow it or comes off diffrent ehy se it as scummy.

sure i do "scummy" things all the time and i can be argubly anti-town but that doesnt nesscitate im scum
This isn't about this or any other site's "standards." Disingenuous, opportunistic, and manipulative behavior tend to be scum tells wherever you go.

i am one of the least manipulative people you can meet on game and life. i am also one of the last people who would be Disingenuous. i jsut lack an awareness of the gamestate and votes and the such, scum em would be hyper aware of that.

as for opertunisctic, i dont see mcuh of that form me righ now

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Charles Mingus wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:I'm tired of ika being scumread and voted for when he is town.
Perhaps it would happen less if you put in an effort to argue why you're so sure that he's town besides knowing him.

Perhaps it wouldn't happen hardly at all if his town meta wasn't, in your own words, to be scummy.

Well if people are to accomidate to metas that are scumym by a defualt then maybe it wouldnt be such a problem?

this is the thign thats worng with sites, people set these "standards" of how to play. when someone doesnt follow it or comes off diffrent ehy se it as scummy.

sure i do "scummy" things all the time and i can be argubly anti-town but that doesnt nesscitate im scum

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and i bet my life on silver being town.

if she wasnt in the gaem i would already be self voting

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Hiromi Uehara wrote:I apologize for my behavior

I dont know who was behind the scoks so i was just teasing

It wont happen anymore

I knownot everyone is aware of the incident that happened to us. we are still acommidaitng to the site ourself

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Billie Holiday wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:
NO YOU WOULDN'T. STOP THIS NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ANTAGONIZE US OR NOT BUT THIS IS FUCKING SERIOUS. SHUT IT WITH THIS SHIT.
Deep breath silver, jsut PM MP about it.
Some background for those of you thinking I"m over reacting. ika has been the victim of a stalker over on ms, he also got some inappropriate comments made to him on another site. We are very sensitive to this for that reason. I'm sorry to bring the drama here but I need it to stop or it will hugely stress me out. Even if it is totally a joke. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

^this, joking or not any comments by anyone but silver will insta trigger me. not only am i a victim to it but also silver herself. we came here to escape it and enjoy mafia again. so if anyone makes that comment, joking or not. it will be responded with a lot of negtaiveity. just dont do it, if you want to know the full sotry you cna pm us post game

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Billie Holiday wrote:
NO YOU WOULDN'T. STOP THIS NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ANTAGONIZE US OR NOT BUT THIS IS FUCKING SERIOUS. SHUT IT WITH THIS SHIT.

Deep breath silver, jsut PM MP about it.

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Hiromi Uehara wrote:
I would let him take me out to dinner and dance for me

but only if he likes sushi

go away. im already taken and i have already enough damn porblems with people doing this shit in the past.

NEVER DO IT AGAIN

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Ya if thats epi he need to eb cpoed checked i would not be surpirse to see that slot being scum

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VTW is miles insnt zeb i could see it being epi

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Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:I'm lining up two towns for lynch? Which two?
Your lining up me and then your going to lynch sivler next you have said, my top town read
1. What's the difference between "lining someone up for lynch" and suspecting that someone is bad?

2. I never said I want to lynch Billie Holiday. My other two suspects are Bill Dixon and Ornette Coleman.

1) lining up lycnhes is prederming who you lycnh next

2) someone did if it wasnt you it was the other voter

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Miles Davis wrote:
Bela Fleck wrote:
Hiromi Uehara wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:Why is Fleck civ and Hiromi isn't?
Because HIromi is voting on the civ counterwagon to scum. Fleck is acting very town based on meta-I know who this is since he alt slipped.
Maybe if I alt-slip I would be less badder
sure, go right ahread, another fun fact is if i was sucm i would of been mroe self aware of em not swtiching and care more about ym typos
A fun fact about me is that I have not, and will never, give any credence to your vast library of self-meta-reads that so easily lay out how you act as town and as scum. Never. Your attempts to do so will, 100% of the time, make me think you are bad.

Then you should lean that i will do it all the time and you will alwasy misread me

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Hiromi Uehara wrote:
Billie Holiday wrote:
Charles Mingus wrote:Why is Fleck civ and Hiromi isn't?
Because HIromi is voting on the civ counterwagon to scum. Fleck is acting very town based on meta-I know who this is since he alt slipped.
Maybe if I alt-slip I would be less badder

sure, go right ahread, another fun fact is if i was sucm i would of been mroe self aware of em not swtiching and care more about ym typos

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Miles Davis wrote:I'm lining up two towns for lynch? Which two?

Your lining up me and then your going to lynch sivler next you have said, my top town read

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