The Syndicate

April Ludgate wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:is she not justifying why they would make a claim BEFORE yours

she's saying hwy you'd lie

I think I see what you're saying. Sort of.

With Craig's role revealed and my claim it is obvious there's a godfather. That doesn't make sense if I'm lying though.

Actually, if Andrew could focus and write a complete elaborate sentence for once in his life, I would still ask him to clarify, because I'm starting to lose the thread. Upon reading back Leslie's thoughts on the 50/50 thing, there may have been a misunderstanding after all. So I'm close to rescinding my finger wag on that.

From the mafia perspective, unless they drew Jack of all Trades, then yes, the role would allow them to speculate down to two separate setups.

Problem remains it is a very poor theory on why April would be bad and attempt to claim Miller. The real Miller would have torched her in this situation with ease, faster than I can heat up metal.

Hence, it is a very poor attempt to still explain why we should keep doubt on April, at this stage.

[quote="Donna Meagle]

Andy not Chris. Morning Meagle is not quite right till her hair is done and her makeup on.

As for Chris, he is blendy. He posts a lot, but I'm having a difficult time remembering what he is saying off the top of my head. Excellent role playing though.[/quote]


Thank you Donna, but I was trying to lure other people into talking. When you're done checking your Bloosh, can you send a fax to everyone who hasn't chimed in, please and thank you.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote: That's...actually a really good point.

Can anyone else in the thread confirm that they have a role that doesn't fit into either 1 or C?

If no one else can disprove her claim, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, April Ludgate seems both trustworthy and legitimate.

I was looking through Ron's posts so I can gather all of the ones I find suspicious in one place, when I found this.

It appears as though Ben is attempting to get other people to out themselves. It's possible that he was unaware that that was what he was doing, but I think it deserves a second look.

As far as me "doubling down" on Ron as someone put it, I just found it incredibly suspicious that he so readily accepted that April is the Miller. Also, his assumption that the mafia didn't have BTSC on day 1 made it look like he was attempting to hide the fact that they did. While there was nothing explicitly written in the rules (from what I remember) saying that they did, there was also nothing saying that they didn't.

I never "readily accepted" anything. What I recall was saying that we are in a situation in which a counter-claim would be best required, otherwise both the cop (with his checks) or us (with the lynch) would be gambling to test April's claim. You also seem to suffer from Perkins' syndrome to single me out (must be the moustache) for even remotely wanting to canoe down this path until somehow the claim is proven to be false. There must have been at least a few others saying they'd take it at face value for now.

My assumption was also an exercise in projecting how a baddie April could have behaved in that out of the starting blocks circumstances. Nonetheless, your accusation was fitted for your "Ron is trying to give April credibility as a teammate" scenario, which right now is basically busted. It makes far less sense to try to reword that or keep it on me being nefarious.

Leslie Knope wrote:I also don't like how both Ron and Andy accused me of not trying to be helpful with nothing to back that up

I did back it up. You are pushing this into contrarianism. I didn't know you became a libertarian.

Leslie Knope wrote: Andy's attacks on me persist and we have gotten in an endless cycle of accusing each other because he singled me out for no apparent reason.

You are deflecting everything at this point in the silliest ways.

I like how you also skid past your gambling fudge. How in the devil's name would you know there is a Godfather, again?

linki: Let me speak, son.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Taking a gamble to guess which of eight setups we're in is not a 50/50 gamble.

They know who the Godfather is, and choosing between 2 options is a 50/50 gamble.

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Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Really?

From Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:45 pm
Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:46 pm

Result: 1 day, 6 hours, 1 minute and 0 seconds

Guess it proves somewhere in the middle of what I said and what you said, but still nowhere near your "wasn't gone for a day".

Time between posts. I got caught up as soon as I got home Tuesday and almost missed the vote.

I'm afraid thread time is the only one that matters. You were AWOL from the thread.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:He did? *frowns* Well, I guess that is true, in the sense that the mafia might have figured him out. So are you saying you are mafia?

I fail to see how you got there. I'm a vanilla townie.

Then how can you claim with certainty that Craig "outed himself"?

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Speculative. Besides, the mafia just pinpointed and killed off the town cop. I don't think that tells us they're worried about using gloves in this game.

Killing me would have made sense if I were entirely off-base, because it would have made you, April, and Andy look guilty if you're all civvies.

Still speculative.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Besides, don't you change your narrative now, Knope. You said "Ron and April are plotting together". Now it's "maybe not April, but still Ron"? Why? Also, what would it be required for you to be slightly more than "slightly more sure" that you can trust April?

There's still a possibility that the mafia took a 50/50 gamble on what setup we're in and had her claim Miller knowing that if it paid off, the only way to prove that were either good or bad would be to lynch her. While it seems unlikely, it's still possible.

Taking a gamble to guess which of eight setups we're in is not a 50/50 gamble.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:
I know what I am, so that was simple math. I wish I could trust you to be town as well, but at this stage, I cannot.

What it looked like to me is Andy making another attempt to tee me up so you can knock me out of the park.

That's not the point, nor was it in your earlier reply. I had already ridiculed Andy's list because it had a dead civilian on it.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Leslie Knope wrote: My top suspects at the moment are Ron and Andy - two of my best friends. I'm also keeping an eye on Jerry. I'm sure this is his fault somehow. Even if he hasn't directly killed anyone.

Defense mode. Noted.

Defense mode? Nobody has cast a vote for me this time, despite Andy's attempts. What am I defending from? It looks to me like you're in defense mode.

From suspicions. People can be defensive at them as well.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:What's wrong with me looking at your post? I deem it suspicious, should I not? And foremost, I dismissed it as nonsense.

It doesn't bother me that you looked at the post. What bothered me is that you dismissed it as nonsense without addressing any of my points.

And other than being obviously manipulative, what points have you made?

Access link "In topic", below my profile picture, then read... pretty much everything.

Donna Meagle wrote:I thought I had been doing that April, but I will try again with less role play.

I feel pretty great about you, Ron and Ben being on the side of good.
To a lesser extent I would say Ann and Leslie.
Chris and Jerry round out the middle of the pack for me.
J-R's posts hurt my head.
I have growing concerns about Tommy one post as well as Chris's fixation with "evil Leslie."
Jamm and Bobby have dropped off the face of the Earth so hard that I forgot about them until I looked at the list. That's never good, but it's the holiday weekend so I hope they come back around.

There is no Chris fixation with "evil Leslie".

But since you mention Chris:

What. Do people. Think. About. Him.

Ann Perkins wrote:Ron,

2) That is not me using Bill's claim to confirm April. 95% of the game can claim, even Mafia claiming, and it doesn't confirm April's role. The first line was just there to lead into my second line, where I am trying to hint that I cannot agree with April's claim. I was hoping the Mafia might see it as subtly claiming one of the power roles, and I would get murdered in place of a true power role. However, it looks like I may have even brought extra attention towards Bill by quoting him.

Mkay.

Ann Perkins wrote: 3) For this point, I do agree that I was not very concise with my point, but that happens to me when I am posting from my phone. Chris also asked me about the same post, and I clarified it to him:

Ann Perkins wrote:I'm sorry, but it's the opposite. I may have spoken against her, but I have said more to her benefit. Even discouraging a lynch on her.
You're right, that I did state that lynching her will reduce the setup to 2 possibilities. But I stated after that mafia already has that knowledge and wouldn't risk sacrificing themselves in order to share that knowledge with us. Even if it does possibly out them a power role, it just wouldn't be worth it for them.

As for my last line, I was saying that the reason I am keeping my vote off of April was due to the actual mechanics of the setup and not anything that April herself had done at that point. It was to say I'm not voting her, but giving her 0 credit for it. At that point, she did not have that good of a Town read to me.

Sounds a bit convoluted too me, but mkay.

Ann Perkins wrote: And it didn't help the fact that you're reiterating your Vanilla claim 2-3 times so far; everyone except April is now a Vanilla, so the point to say this multiple times is moot.

What? As far as I recall, I only said it once. And it was in mocking reply to Bill's own. Which, again, you had no issue with. But you did have with mine, 'cause... ?

...gun will travel reads the card of a man and a knight armor in a savaaage land

Good morning, everybody! I hope your feast was as good and plentiful as mine.

Ah, good morning, deputy! Let's have a look at what you wrote here.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:I'd like to hear what Leslie to say given her Ron & April nonsense at the late hours of the late phase, in light of the flip and what it says about April. Bunch of nothing throughout the phase, AWOL for 42 hours and then comes in, having drunk apparently from the same bottle of cheap Bud as Ann.

It was less than 24 hours.

Really?

From Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:45 pm
Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:46 pm

Result: 1 day, 6 hours, 1 minute and 0 seconds

Guess it proves somewhere in the middle of what I said and what you said, but still nowhere near your "wasn't gone for a day".

Leslie Knope wrote: I don't think it changes much. It makes me slightly more sure that I can trust her, but I still don't trust you, Ron. There are two reasons I'm still alive at this point: 1. Craig outed himself.

He did? *frowns* Well, I guess that is true, in the sense that the mafia might have figured him out. So are you saying you are mafia?

Leslie Knope wrote: 2. One or more of my accusations (you, April, Andy) was correct and killing me would have only raised more suspicions.

Speculative. Besides, the mafia just pinpointed and killed off the town cop. I don't think that tells us they're worried about using gloves in this game.

Besides, don't you change your narrative now, Knope. You said "Ron and April are plotting together". Now it's "maybe not April, but still Ron"? Why? Also, what would it be required for you to be slightly more than "slightly more sure" that you can trust April?

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:guys
leslie
bill
ron

You have two civilians on that list, one of whom is dead.

That's very interesting, Ron. I'm a vanilla townie, and I think you know that.

I know what I am, so that was simple math. I wish I could trust you to be town as well, but at this stage, I cannot.

Leslie Knope wrote: My top suspects at the moment are Ron and Andy - two of my best friends. I'm also keeping an eye on Jerry. I'm sure this is his fault somehow. Even if he hasn't directly killed anyone.

Defense mode. Noted.

Leslie Knope wrote:I also find it a bit funny that Ron was the only person to acknowledge the post I made before the last vote, and how he dismissed it as me having drank a "the same cheap bottle of Bud as Ann."

What's wrong with me looking at your post? I deem it suspicious, should I not? And foremost, I dismissed it as nonsense.

Leslie Knope wrote: I just wish I had had time to make that post sooner so, and I can't believe I'm saying this about a sex-crazed maniac who made me show my butt on TV, we could have saved Bill's life. Also, Ron has consistently accused me of not contributing, but I'm one of the few people who've been making honest suggestions on what to do next.

The way Ron has been manipulating and steering the debate doesn't sit right with me, and that's why I'm voting for him again.

My answer to this rhymes with "Knope".

Your honest suggestions on what to do next were the following:

Blame Eagleton.
Blame Newport?
Let's not lynch anyone.

That's it.
"One of the few people".
Mhm.

I'll catch up with the rest of the posts in a bit.

So who do you suspect? It feels like a lot of thinking against the grain or just eyeballing.

Ann Perkins wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:I am not as pleased as April with Ann's vote, due to the progression that shows up in her appreciation of Bill, which is:

-- No signs of suspicion in early chatter with Bill over April's claim.
-- No issues whatsoever with Bill's claim, in fact takes it as "confirmation on her [April's] claim" based on zero substance. Besides, a reminder that, for the same format of claim, she deemed me suspicious.
-- Wants a case "presented to her" when April prods her for an opinion on Bill.
-- Ben analyses his posts and, all of a sudden, Ann is content with the points made, "can understand the votes" on Bill and joins the party.

1) I had no suspicion of Bill earlier because I didn't find him to be suspicious. It truly is that simple.
2) I don't know when this happened. Please clarify which post you're talking about so I can address it, because you're misinterpreting. I believe April's claim because it could backfire on Mafia SO easily. Had nothing to do with Bill.
3) See point 1. I did not have any suspicion on Bill at that point, so I asked April (who has my high town read) for her point of view of the subject. They way she laid it out to me change my thinking into someone who was very insincere, and looked like planning went into every post he said (I guess role-playing does that, too) which I sometimes read as a player making sure nothing they say is taken wrong.
4) my post coming after Bens is pure coincidence, and my change in vote was purely on April's presentation and that I saw nothing pro-town from him when I went back to reread. But even so, I don't see a problem with having additional reads on a person, so Bens ISO was appreciated, even though I hate ISOs.

Regarding 2, I have no idea what this is, then.

Ann Perkins wrote:

Bill Dexhart wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:And I can say that my role definitely is in both 1 and C.

Thanks for the confirmation on her claim.
I can't say whether or not I agree with her at this moment.

Regarding 3, I have no way of discerning from your posts where and when exactly you had April as your "high town read". Quite the opposite, because here you said:

Ann Perkins wrote:

Bill Dexhart wrote:Why make the claim when you have no way of proving otherwise? I still think a mafia member is the one most likely to make that claim. Especially given they are the only ones who know what the current setup is.

And a vote for me too? Do I get a gold star if I win this electi...oh wait. This isn't an election.

Because Mafia already has the game narrowed to 2 different setups. If a counter claim gets made, it informs us what the setup actually is.

Would that not take the Mafia's advantage away in a setup like this?

Basically the only reason I'm keeping my vote off April atm. Her lynch does offer valuable information, but a better lynch may present itself.

Regarding 4, it appears indeed that I have mistaken you for reacting to Ben's review of Bill, not April's. Hmm.

Ann Perkins wrote: So, to sum it up for you:
- person who I am most interested in lynching (Ron) is a town read to most players, and no one will join on a d1 lynch on him or pressure him.
- my strongest town read (not really a read I guess, but you understand) lays out a logical argument about a player.
- I cross reference her points against his posts, and find that he doesn't really appear to be attempting to help town too much.
- Bill appears to be an OK lynch, but not my #1 choice. I look at vote count and understand my vote is obviously more useful to us in a different position, especially with only a few day hours left where I'd be online.
Therefore, my vote was moved from Ron to Bill.

I can acknowledge this interpretation, but surely you can understand that "I wanted my vote to be more useful by joining the wagon party" is not an absolving statement. Guess who can pile on a wagon just as well, on pretense of "utility". The mafia.

Ok people, I have turkey waiting for me, followed by more turkey and then, you guessed it, turkey. Is anyone here in the mood to talk? If not, that's fine with me, you can all go enjoy your meals like true Americans. As long as it has real turkey in it. Never skip on the turkey.

Topic number 1 concerns the idea of attempting already to comb through reads and generate a common pool of suspects. While admirable, I find it premature and impossible in the sprawling state the field is in right now. Too many players are all over the place and too few reads are being generated. Just to demonstrate my perspective:

Ben and April are proactive. That's it.
Councilwoman and Knope seem busy barking at supatown.
Honest to God if I can comb through Chris' roleplay for anything relevant he has pushed forward.
Jerry is, at best, tunneling on high-posting suspects he issued no strong reasoning against.
Andrew is acting like a doofus.
June-Ricko is yodelling like a doofus.
Donna is not posting enough and her coming in, heading out type of end-phase opinion is not convincing yet.
Newport and Jamm are off radar.
Tom is one day behind in introducing himself via roleplay and nothing else.

Good luck with POE on this.

Topic number 2 concerns my announced initiative to look through the Lynch Bill voters.

I am not as pleased as April with Ann's vote, due to the progression that shows up in her appreciation of Bill, which is:

-- No signs of suspicion in early chatter with Bill over April's claim.
-- No issues whatsoever with Bill's claim, in fact takes it as "confirmation on her [April's] claim" based on zero substance. Besides, a reminder that, for the same format of claim, she deemed me suspicious.
-- Wants a case "presented to her" when April prods her for an opinion on Bill.
-- Ben analyses his posts and, all of a sudden, Ann is content with the points made, "can understand the votes" on Bill and joins the party.

Ben also starts very neutral in reacting to Bill's posts or Bill being suspected (banter, roleplay), then seems to even get caught up in the logic of Bill's "claim" (believing Bill to have claimed Miller?) only to join the claimers' party (guess Ann was too busy singling me out on everything to notice this bit, as well *frowns*). Gets into form by juggling with connections between April and several people, Bill included. Deems him worst looking and votes.

Now, in hindsight, some of Ben's comments tend to sound a bit like smearing - "comes out of the gate casting shade", "decides to pivot on an axis away" - in order to strengthen his lead on Bill. On the other hand, I can sort of understand why he built upon a "April and Bill going at each other" antagonism to form his idea that they must be of different alignment. Of course, this did not hold up, nor did his case making proved successful for that phase, but who knows, it can happen to the best of us on certain days. At this point, there are some questionable details, but I am undecided if this speaks bad for Ben.

I agree that Chris' progession does not speak well at all for his vote. It's near bandwagoning, with just a hint of trying to assess him in his own words. I would like this man to be pressured by the rest of the community.

Donna's vote is coated in a semblance of process of elimination, while also containing no reasoning whatsoever as to why she picked Bill. There is nothing more I dislike than votes offered with no reason. Except for stuffed peppers, which offer no reason to be edible whatsoever. But I have one can usually hook someone from either side for such sins, so this is about as vague as a Wag of Finger can get.

Topic number 3 concerns all the turkey I will feast upon tonight. I am delighted to announce it will exceeded the amount I ate last Thanksgiving, which was a large amount. That is all.

Andy Dwyer wrote:guys
leslie
bill
ron

You have two civilians on that list, one of whom is dead.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Ann Perkins wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.

Hello, I don't even remember you from yesterday. Can you give me a read on Ron please

Ron's my boss and he was good enough to give me a job, so I don't want to say anything mean about him. But his posts have seemed a little stilted to me. He's not as high up on my suspect tree as Ben and Chris, but he's not in the clear either.

I have no idea what solid grounds you have for suspecting Ben, and that's from looking back again through your posts, so do give us something meatier than the Pawnes Burger you seem to have had this morning, judging from the mustard stains on your collar. And sleeves. And Jesus almighty, how did it get all the way down there as well?

Sad loss in Craig. You will be avenged.

Ann Perkins wrote:Well then..

Guess I'll put my vote back on my hunch so he can see it when he decides to post.

I have seen it.

Now get out of my office.

April's view on the mafia having read into Craig's posts is inspiriting, because it means we are hunting for real wolves here instead of just a bunch of quails. At least two out of three scum must be serious observants, in this scenario. Jerry's whiny post offers an opposite perspective - that the mafia struck gold with a more loose target - which is... less inspiriting.

I'd like to hear what Leslie to say given her Ron & April nonsense at the late hours of the late phase, in light of the flip and what it says about April. Bunch of nothing throughout the phase, AWOL for 42 hours and then comes in, having drunk apparently from the same bottle of cheap Bud as Ann.

I'll look more into the votes myself later, but I have a town hall meeting in a bit. I heard three people are complaining their toilet seats are trying to eat their cats while peeing, so I have to go deal with that crap.

Since others are mentioning it, I'd like to remind that my "claim" post was precisely in reply to finding Bill's own intervention to be as lax and pointless as yoghurt. I mean seriously, people, how can you screw up milk so bad?

Now prepare yourself, Ann Perkins, because I'm going to write another round up. I'm not doing it to cover all bases, woman, I'm doing to because I can speak my mind however I damn well please.

I also feel Bill is the best choice for today. His tally is getting a bit flooded, but I'm fine with most of the people on it so far. And there's also Perkins, oh well.

Right now, gut on Ann would tell me she's misguided huntress who hasn't seen real prey in her life, but I sense a whiff of tryhard casemaking in her initiatives. Most of it concerns me, but really, I have no stakes in here, I'm saying this from a pragmatic perspective. From her jumpy reaction on my FoS on her, she course corrects into elaborate points. From alledged filler, she switches to my actions being forced or unoriginal. She suspects me for roleplay coating, but says nothing (or has no issue with) the likes of Chris, Craig, John-Romeo, heck even Bobby I reckon, who I'd describe as knee-deep in their RP layer. She suspects me for my "claim" attempt, but I recall her having had the coziest acknowledgement of Bill's own problem. Again, it could be mere imbalance in her chosen leads, but there's also too much error and bias for me not to raise my eyebrow at this.

Leslie has vanished and I am dissapoint.

Andy is still one-sided in what little of substance he has posted and I am dissapoint.

Nobody seems to want to send Jimmy-Rubio back to proper schooling, so what can I do.

Jerry just showed up and nobody is lynching him, so what can I do.

Bill it is.

Ann Perkins wrote:OK April, because I believe your claim and respect your opinion because of that, I have read back on Ron.

Unfortunately, my opinion does not change. Sure, some posts are stating opinions on the game, such as your claim, but majority of players did that. It wasn't anything unique, and isn't exceptionally pro-town. I mean, I said the same stuff and I don't expect anyone to read me town for it. Something different that Ron did than everyone else was pointing out that the Miller claim encourages a power role to counterclaim; I see this (as I stated in response to him) as inviting the power roles to out themselves to counter claim. This is not a good idea, especially with no town protective and while we have town roles that could potentially NK if they did not agree with this claim.

I decided not to get hung on it and tunnel, but reminded myself to keep my eye on his posts. He then posted the post about his reads. It wasn't very impressive, and to be honest seemed a little forced. Like he had to say something about everyone to make sure he didn't forget to bus himself away from his mafia buddies.

Sure, he hasn't done anything exceptionally scummy in the game, but neither has anyone else. He is the person that stands out to me and gives me a bad feeling. In combination with a vanilla/goon claim (says his role is in every setup), this is enough for me to consider outwardly voicing my opinion on him instead of keeping it to myself.

I hope that can help explain how it's not an OMGUS

This is why libraries are the worst thing on earth. It gives people the bad habit of reading too much into things.

Voting the supatown is a weird-ass town strategy if you ask me, but knock yourself out, woman.

You wouldn't know what a poor redirect is, because you didn't see your reply to my performance review on you. "What's that, Ron deems me suspicious? Hey guys, isn't Ron filler much!?" Mhm.

But just for the sake of argument, what can possibly single me out as " too much roleplay"? I've evaluated the Miller case as best as possible, I've evaluated everyone's behaviour when it proved of interest and you've just treated in inaccurate fashion my mid-phase performance review of the staff as "wall of text". Mhm.

Give me another name that has contributed more and I will skip breakfast over a bowl of muesli.

Just kidding, I had two breakfasts already.

I've read more graceful OMGUSs in my life, but I guess you can't expect much from someone who works in healthcare, where they'll just rip you off for so much as a sneeze.

I'm bored and going home, so here are my thoughts till tomorrow.

April's claim still requires a counter, either via night power results that could prove contradictory to the miller setups or via counterclaims from others. I'm inclined to trust her until it bounces, she's proven herself to be a clever girl in the past. Also, while not clear if mafia have contact during the Day (Host?), let's assume they don't, in which case a fake claim from April should mean: a) she's aware of the possible setup and it means she's either the JOAT or the Godfather, the latter which can be easily debunked if the cop checks her and survives; b) she's unaware of the setup and a goon, in which case her bluff is even more blind and foolish. Balls to the walls tactic aside, does this sound like sane mafia gambit to any of you?

Ben seems to be his usual dumbass self, but I cannot say I disliked his prodding initiatives, so far. This concludes my slight townreads for this phase.

I don't like Bill. He used hokey logic to argue that only the mafia would have serious knowledge of the current setup. His contribution to the claim game in regards to April has been utterly banal.

Ann is annoying, what's new. She has pounced on people like April, but was then peachy with other statements, like Bill's. She also called me knowledgeable in killing horses, which is just disgusting.

Knope is underwhelming thus far in solid hunting initiatives.

Andrew has a bold idea on the table, which I'm not sure how I feel about just yet, still I feel the rest of his game so far is sprawling underneath the act. Man up, son.

Chris will prove a tough challenge, if he's rotten, because he's deeper into his roleplay than I can reach inside my cattle during an anal probing.

Jean-Ralphio still proves as useless as the hyphen between his first names. Or the French themselves throught history.

Jerry still didn't show up. If nothing works, let's just lynch Jerry.

If your name doesn't show up above, you've either done nothing to annoy me or nothing to impress me.

Good night and good luck.

Ok people, I reckon some of you may still have difficulties in finding your footing in this hunt, so let me offer you the best advice there is. Behold! The Swanson Pyramid of Mafia Greatness. Foolproof in catching the bad guys and winning every game.



If image is too large, I don't give a damn, but you can click right and open it on another tab.

Works just fine to this day. Now what did I say about videos!!

Not much of a question answerer, son?

Andy Dwyer wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Attention people who make video only posts, while I'm on the phone.

Stop.

RON SWANSON WOULD NEVE RUSE A PHOENE!!

Andrew, I'm a libertarian, not a hobo idiot. I may use whatever I damn please.

How are we doing on composing a song for Li'l Sebastian? Besides your offthewall theory on Leslie, you struck me as all over the place. What else you got?

I think Donna, Tom and Burry are outstanding employees for not having shown up at work today.

Not so much for this game's purposes, I'll admit.

Attention people who make video only posts, while I'm on the phone.

Stop.

Leslie Knope wrote:I think we need to seriously debate the merits of not lynching anyone today. If we kill someone now and they turn out to be good, then those monsters who killed Lil Sebastian will kill again and we'll be down two good guys. Yes, there's a chance we can get one of the people responsible, but it's only a 1/5 possibility.

Better odds than any woman named Tammy not being a satanic harpie. Which is zero.

I find it slightly unsettling that "let's work it out" has to come from my mouth and not yours, Knope.

Ok. Grieving time over. Let's get to the bottom of this.

Not before breakfast, though. It should only take 20 minutes to finish this entire buffet.

Leslie Knope wrote:
I think it's obvious who's responsible here: Eagleton. Those rich snobs look down their noses at us and take away or kill everything that matters to Pawnee. First they took our money, and now they've killed Lil Sebastian.

You're from Eagleton, Knope.

Leslie Knope wrote: I say we form some sort of angry, organized mob of people to figure this out and get justice for Pawnee. Short of that, I will be forming a task force to tackle this issue. Lil Sebastian will not die in vain, and if we have to burn the library, Eagleton, or Sweetums to the ground, then I hope I can be the leader to make that happen.

Now let's not get carried away. Sweetum's can be sold to whomever damn well pleases. Let's not provoke a second national tragedy.

Fine with me on the library, though. Waste of a space for what could be a perfect woodshop.

Leslie Knope wrote: A ceremony! That's such a brilliant idea, Ron. I was so focused on my blood lust and thirst for revenge that it hadn't even crossed my mind. We should allocate at least half of the monthly budget on this. We'll spare no expense.

No, wait, blood lust and thirst for revenge are much better ideas, let me get my crossbow. The whole budget thing is a bad idea, because there should be no budget at all. That was just my silly imagination of what you would be doing right now. That, and running around town offering a free hug to anyone.

Jean-Ralphio wrote:'Sup party people...'sup Ron-Song! What game we playing? Beer pong, jello wrestling, naked twister? I don't care....IM.IN! Now what sexy ladies want me to dagger them on the dance floor... UHNNN CH-CH-CH BOUNCE...BOUNCE BOUNCE!

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Who the fuck wanted to be this guy? I suspect you were cast against your will as such, you poor soul.

Are you bad, though?

juliets wrote:Hello everyone, all you sock puppets you. I am your friendly mod on duty for this game. If at any time you become so frustrated and mad you want to lash out at people in the thread, please contact me instead. I love to be lashed at. I'm here to support you in your time of need. I will be traveling for a few hours tomorrow but after that I will be checking in several times during the day throughout this week (I will be a little scarce on Thanksgiving afternoon and slightly drunk after dinner!) so feel free to contact me at any time. Otherwise, have fun! This game is off to a great start.

Thank you, but I don't think your services will be required. The last thing we need is to hire another counselor off people's money. Besides, everyone here just needs to stay calm and levelheaded. Emotions are useless in a game of mafia.

I'll be in my office for the rest of the evening, if you need me.

I'm just joking, don't come in my office.

My role is also both in 1 and C. It's also in 2 and B and 3 and D and 4 and A.

Glad we sorted that out. Very productive.

Ann Perkins wrote:

Bill Dexhart wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:And I can say that my role definitely is in both 1 and C.

Thanks for the confirmation on her claim.
I can't say whether or not I agree with her at this moment.

Awfully quick to take Bill's message for granted. What exactly does it confirm for you?

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:Exactly. I crunched the numbers, and there's only a 1/4 chance the Miller is even in the game at all. Fakeclaiming the Miller could be the perfect crime, like stabbing someone with an ice shard.

You don't get it, nerd. That means in your eyes there's a 3/4 chance the Miller is not in the game, and if not then the other town roles will know my claim doesn't fit in their setups. That makes it a stupid thing to fakeclaim.

That's...actually a really good point.

Can anyone else in the thread confirm that they have a role that doesn't fit into either 1 or C?

If no one else can disprove her claim, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, April Ludgate seems both trustworthy and legitimate.

Took me two initial posts to state the same thing on counter-claiming being relevant. Are you sure you're here to make our time and work more efficient?

Look at Mr. Efficency over here. Are you sure you're here to waste everyone's time and ruin the government? Because you seem to want it to succeed, from my perspective.

It's the best possible outcome for our society, for sure.

Nothing to do with this game, though, so you missed my point there, son.

Ann Perkins wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.

That's a great point Ron! I wonder though, if it would invite a counter claim if there is not actually a miller in the set up at all? Just considering the possibilities. Isn't this game fun?

If we happen to be outside the 1 or C range, town roles from any other setup would therefore exist to completely invalidate April's claim.

Funny how the person who would be willing (and has the know how) to murder a horse, defends the girl who would be willing to murder a horse's claim whose lynch would provide us with invaluable information - 50% chance of which setup we are in. Why would we be inviting town powers to reveal to counter claim, when absolutely no protective exists.

Are you serious, woman? Who on earth is willing to kill horses just like that?

And I never said I invite other town power roles to just out themselves. There is no doubt danger in that, but it still places April on a very thin edge with her claim game.

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.

That's a great point Ron! I wonder though, if it would invite a counter claim if there is not actually a miller in the set up at all? Just considering the possibilities. Isn't this game fun?

If we happen to be outside the 1 or C range, town roles from any other setup would therefore exist to completely invalidate April's claim.

Another great point I hadn't thought of! You are just a never ending source of insight for me Ron, would you consider becoming my Assistant City Manager? I think we would make a fantastic team!

I'll take any higher position that allows me to make it so that the government will even less work done, but this proposal better not involve any more yoga sessions, like the last time.

Oh no, of course not! I appreciate you trying it with me at least once though. There is, however, be an hour of Tai Chi every Monday, Wednesday, Friday before office hours here at City Hall. If you are interested?

Gesundheit.

And let's just skip to the part where you give me the job, 'cause I'm the best and you know it.

Ben Wyatt wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:Exactly. I crunched the numbers, and there's only a 1/4 chance the Miller is even in the game at all. Fakeclaiming the Miller could be the perfect crime, like stabbing someone with an ice shard.

You don't get it, nerd. That means in your eyes there's a 3/4 chance the Miller is not in the game, and if not then the other town roles will know my claim doesn't fit in their setups. That makes it a stupid thing to fakeclaim.

That's...actually a really good point.

Can anyone else in the thread confirm that they have a role that doesn't fit into either 1 or C?

If no one else can disprove her claim, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, April Ludgate seems both trustworthy and legitimate.

Took me two initial posts to state the same thing on counter-claiming being relevant. Are you sure you're here to make our time and work more efficient?

Bill Dexhart wrote: Why make the claim when you have no way of proving otherwise? I still think a mafia member is the one most likely to make that claim. Especially given they are the only ones who know what the current setup is.

This is some twisted argumentation, sir. Most of the civilian power roles could certainly be just as perceptive as to what the current setup might be. For instance, with small exceptions, they'd know if a damn miller exists at all or not.

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.

That's a great point Ron! I wonder though, if it would invite a counter claim if there is not actually a miller in the set up at all? Just considering the possibilities. Isn't this game fun?

If we happen to be outside the 1 or C range, town roles from any other setup would therefore exist to completely invalidate April's claim.

Another great point I hadn't thought of! You are just a never ending source of insight for me Ron, would you consider becoming my Assistant City Manager? I think we would make a fantastic team!

I'll take any higher position that allows me to make it so that the government will even less work done, but this proposal better not involve any more yoga sessions, like the last time.

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.

That's a great point Ron! I wonder though, if it would invite a counter claim if there is not actually a miller in the set up at all? Just considering the possibilities. Isn't this game fun?

If we happen to be outside the 1 or C range, town roles from any other setup would therefore exist to completely invalidate April's claim.

I'm sure Leslie is already out there raising funds to send off Li'l Sebastian with the ceremony it deserves. It's what we should all do, instead of yammering here and acting all chummy. *stares at Ann*

That, and getting to the bottom of which bastards did this.

April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.

Jeremy Jamm wrote:Leslie, hasn't checked in yet, why isn't Leslie here? She must have murdered poor Li'l Sebastian, we should take Leslie out.

What a surprise, 26 posts in and I already want to punch you in the face.

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends

Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!

Ron Swanson! This is literally the saddest day of my entire life.

I agree. Now leave me alone, so I can reflect in silence on this majestic beast's great existence.

Oh! Meditation, I love meditation! I'll join you!

No, I said alone, dammit. Hmpf.

Chris Traeger wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends

Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!

Ron Swanson! This is literally the saddest day of my entire life.

I agree. Now leave me alone, so I can reflect in silence on this majestic beast's great existence.

Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends

Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!