The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:08 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:04 pm Hey I was boringboi lol

i thought you were martin until martin revealed in day 1 he doesn't know how long made has been on TS lol

I was Martin.

But Martin doesn't know Made.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:04 pm Hey I was boringboi lol

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:55 pm Why are you worried about maid?

they were solid tr for me yesterday, but i suppose their vote at the EOD is reasonable for pause

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 pm mainly because i still havent fully used my role yet

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:25 pm Akemi has seemed town this day phase for me, her claim of an anti-town role that gets a boost if you win the roleplay award is believable to me based on what I know. Despite not understanding 1312's reads I trust him because of the miller claim and the fact that he was fishing for the vig and thought it was Made doesn't seem scummy. My Shell has claimed vig and that claim I believe will selve resolve sooner or later.

That leaves the POE to me (excluding nutella who I am voting) as PonyStarkPrime, Martin and Fuskdall. And between those, Fuskdall seems the towniest, followed by Martin and then PSP. If nutella flips town somehow we will have to re-evaluate everything but for now this is how I see the game.

Quokka wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:41 am My Shell is very confident about her read on Maid and I believe 1337 and My Shell are both town. If we take all those to be town then my POE is Akemi/Fuskdall/PSP and we should win if we go through this. I doubt that Fuskdall and PSP are scum together, so unless I am misclearing someone Akemi seems like the most likely wolf from my POV.

[VOTE: Akemi Homura] aubergine

Quokka wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:47 am I will go for now, if you are town you should show me your work and tell me who you suspect the most aside from PSP setting aside the two role claims as even if you are right on PSP he will have a partner.

Quokka wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:52 pm

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm why boring boe?

They had a very wolfy and non commital pop in. I didn't like it at all.

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:03 am i'm going to put my full catchup in a spoiler, because i don't think people want to be smacked by a wall.

Spoiler: show

martin’s first post rubs me the wrong way. reads as overly formal and like the kind of thing a wolf would care about. “make sure you do not misunderstand my reads this game.” that being his first thought is especially concerning
ponysparkprime seems to have the same idea as me very early and i like that. +1 townpoint for ponysparkprime
fuskdall seems very random from the get go… that doesn’t give me any impression about their alignment, really.
akemi’s first post is something very unlikely to come from mafia who has just started the game. (tying yourself to someone else with a mason claim) would easily be outed if fake, too.
maid questioning it instantly is probably nai, but i’m leaning mafia because of the attitude. the resistance to having two clears from the get go does seem more likely to come from mafia, and akemi points it out very quickly, too. i don’t really understand the nutella and psp reads, they seem to have come out of nowhere. not sure how my previous slot holder “outed themselves” on the first page.
my shell has the same thought about akemi’s reads, which makes me feel slightly better about my shell.
quokka’s posts… exist. that’s as much as i’m going to say about them for the time being.
1337’s first few posts are very obviously fabricated, and i feel like the trolly attitude could realistically come from either alignment. will have to wait for them to do something other than… this.
i like dodo on a tonal level, and that’s about as far as it goes.
slowly retracting my scumread on martinwp69 because it looks like the tonal thing is just their… thing, and not a sign of a bad entrance.
i actually like my shell voting 1337 after the miller claim. i also find it fishy, because they seem to be taking it seriously.
i don’t like 1337’s vote because it looks oppo-
thanks, martinwp69, very cool.
i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall also doesn’t seem to question it whatsoever, so that strengthens the claim (or makes them w/w, but i don’t find either of them independently wolfy). meanwhile psp is over here randomly claiming it with dodo, and then claiming cop. feels like trolling, but the kind of trolling that’s actively bothersome to town, and that’s why i think it’s mafia indicative.
i disagree with paprika that the miller claim was unlikely to come from mafia because it gathered too much attention. there might be a mechanical reason why they did this as scum, and claiming miller regardless of whether you’re actually a miller or just mafia always attracts attention. if they are new like they claimed, they wouldn’t know. and so, they wouldn’t be hesitant to claim if that was the wolf plan, because they wouldn’t know the consequences. and if they are lying about being new then 1. that’s very scummy and 2. could still claim miller as mafia, even with the attention being a factor.
i guess you could say that they’d discuss it in wolfchat, blah, blah, blah, but i’m not going to spend too much time on this. i just think it’s still a viable claim from scum here, and i wouldn’t dismiss that possibility so easily.
i also find it weird that paprika’s tying 1337 and maid together in their read, because i don’t think they should be tied together at all.
i find a lot of paprika’s posts weird. their approach to the game feels like they are trying to deepwolf. i can’t really explain it very well. posts like #141 where they question their townreads about scumreads on their other townreads feel exactly like the type of thing a wolf would do when they want to establish a consensus towncore with wolves in it, and as few villagers as possible. or it’s pockety.
i dislike the fact paprika is tying so many people together in their reads, because it’s dangerous to group people so much if you’re town. if you’re wrong on one, the likelihood of you being wrong on the other is higher, because you’re not looking at them independently.
i still like dodo’s posts on a tonal level and i like the fact they seem unconcerned about appearances. they seem excited and happy to be in this game and that’s always >rand v.
i’m also feeling slightly better about maid, but i’m not exactly sure why that is.
i’m not sure why everyone’s scumreading dodo, actually. i reach the conclusion they are town, and everyone else reaches the conclusion they are mafia. i don’t really see a problem with their posts, and their vote looked more memey / relaxed than opportunistic to me. that said, their reaction to being pushed didn’t sit right with me, but i still lean town.
#196 from martinwp69 is towny in a vacuum, but i feel like it’s just busywork that doesn’t amount to anything, and that’s scummy. his approach to the game rubs me the wrong way. he has these overly formal posts and “Theory Of Mafia” stuff that looks like it’s written to make him look town, not to solve the game. this post is one of them. i would townread it in a vacuum, but martinwp69 has been doing this all the time and it’s getting overwhelming.
i wish akemi actually explained their reads, because they aren’t doing that whatsoever.
akemi: “I wanted to vote for Maid, but TSP claimed a Day 0 Green Peak on them.”
there is no way we have both this and a mason pair in this game. akemi not noticing this despite claiming mason is kinda weird but i don’t think it’s scummy.
dodo’s reaction is my thoughts exactly. dodo is baffled that akemi believed psp. and that’s a completely valid thing to be baffled about. akemi should not have believed psp, given how the claims interact with one another. i still don’t know why people scumread dodo.
maid’s posts exist, but they don’t give me a read on them whatsoever. not sure what this means.
wilgy’s gimmick reads upon entering the thread read as >rand v, because a wolf probably wouldn’t want the possible negative attention from them at this point of the game. this is a thin read, though.
i also like the fact that wilgy agrees with me about dodo.
some of maid’s posts look a bit artificial, others don’t really make me scumread them. i know this is like, the third time i’m talking about maid and not making an alignment read, but their posts are so… boring. not so boring that they are mafia, but not good enough to deserve a townread.
i really like wilgy’s further posts about dodo. wilgy is town.
my shell trending down a little bit, but not enough to stop being town.
i also really like the posts from wilgy about… my slot. i’m town, so the read is wrong, but i like the thought process behind it and the justification for it. it felt very organic when i was reading it, as opposed to opportunistic or agenda-y.
boringboi666’s posts are… you guessed it. boring!
i actually agree with maid’s point that akemi’s readlist has one strange inconsistency – their mason partner isn’t at the top of the list. i’m assuming it’s because they tried to make people forget about it so mafia wouldn’t kill them? maybe? the alternative is that it’s just fake. i think they genuinely forgot that fuskdall was supposed to be their mason, but i’m not sure if that means the claim’s fake or that they are mafia. not all masons are very chatty with each other, even though akemi and fuskdall have both been active in thread.
“Yeah so I think there are wolves in Nutellaphant and Paprika. Let's vote there!”
Boringboi666. awful post for multiple reasons, the most important of them all being the fact that they create a random poe of two people and encourage town to vote there. feels like agenda. i wouldn’t even be surprised if one of their partners was in that group, should they be mafia.
still no read on quokka, not sure where people are getting their townreads on quokka from.
i actually dislike paprika’s #423, feels more like busywork rather than actual solving. i also think paprika’s tming martin town if paprika’s mafia, particularly due to their response to martin’s next few posts.
i actually like quokka’s posts on page 10 because they read as sufficiently pure. they are also correctly preventing my slot from being misdabbed, so i’m probably a bit biased here.
reading this eod, i don’t really understand the wagon on my slot. it doesn’t look like anyone has specific or even good reasons to vote there. quokka is correctly defending us and only wilgy ever shared an actual wolfcase. everyone else just kinda nodded and moved along. from my perspective, it looks like wolves piled on the misdab wagon because of wilgy’s case, which makes wilgy even more likely to be town.
the boringboi cfd also felt super wrong. it was so random, and everybody piled on it with little to no resistance other than from paprika. if boringboi’s mafia then the wolves probably have close to 0 way in the thread or are super bussy, otherwise this kind of thing simply doesn’t happen. paprika’s defense does feel a bit fishy though. it’s like they panicked about their buddy being wagoned and did their best to stop it.
food for thought.
it’s page 12 and i still don’t understand why martin’s scumreading my slot.
oh, boringboi flipped town. disregard my read on paprika’s defense, then.
and dodo is nightkilled town. expected. i actually think the nightkill makes the dodo pushers look better. if the dodo pushers were mafia, they would just not kill dodo and keep them alive as a misdab option. it’s always possible they changed their mind, but i find that unlikely.
i’m moving maid to my scumreads, because me not having a read on them by the end of day 1 is a bad sign.
this is my current list. some of this stuff is probably wrong, but hopefully at least the townreads are good.

Town:
wilgy (i townread this over the mason claims. i think this is the most villagery player in the game)
akemi homura (the more i think about it, the more the mason claim seems fake to me given the things akemi has done this game. i’m still townreading her and fuskdall independently from the mason claim, but that does trouble me.)
fuskdall (noting that this and akemi did not play like a mason pair whatsoever, or at least i did not get the impression that they did. they are independently towny though.)
dodo

quokka
null:
my shell (i don’t really know what to think after the eod. i think their posts have been somewhat underwhelming)

martin (not sure where paprika is seeing “obvious town” here honestly)
not town (unordered):
maid
psp
paprika

Maid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:36 am Or I have very bad reads, compared to my usual self.

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:52 pm There's no one alison can be with this kind of double bus in their range

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:20 pm OMG you guys did it!! Now we've only got one left to yeet.

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:40 pm My Shell is going on the naughty list. They keep promising us a vig kill and but we keep getting coal.

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:28 am

1337 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:08 am

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:05 am Eh, 1612 might have been forced into the EOD. It’s WIFOM. But I think 1612 is very towny on account of other reasons

Is this a meta read uwu

One I’m pretty proud of tbh but I’m also a little less stable about it given the situation

Quokka wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:33 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:52 pm

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:50 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:37 pm I am very sorry everyone I messed up and did not actually have another shot last night. I will understand if you do not trust me now but I simply missed a detail in my role and due to how it works I did not actually get another shot Is very disappointing, from Nutella flip I would have liked to try and get another one but I could not

I would have gone for Pony or Fuskdal probably think they are most likely Nutella teammates and will be voting [VOTE: Fuskdall] aubergine for now

Hello this is absolutely absurd and we’re spending zero seconds entertaining this

I could have just claimed I was blocked or something, I don't care, I am telling you truth it is up to you to believe it but I think you are wolf and want to paint me worst

I don't think you can claim blocked, since at the start it says roles cannot double target, however I still trust you because your vigilante claim was confident and early, and you are right that you were the most active solving early Day 2. I trust 1337 slightly more than you because it's clear the mafia bussed nutellaphant and 1337 wasn't going with the agenda, the way they acted near EOD is pulling suspicion and attention on them for no reason if they are maf, could be a mind game but I don't think so.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:37 pm I am very sorry everyone I messed up and did not actually have another shot last night. I will understand if you do not trust me now but I simply missed a detail in my role and due to how it works I did not actually get another shot Is very disappointing, from Nutella flip I would have liked to try and get another one but I could not

I would have gone for Pony or Fuskdal probably think they are most likely Nutella teammates and will be voting [VOTE: Fuskdall] aubergine for now

My Shell wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:35 pm I said I shot Nutella but she didn't die. I was not told I was blocked and someone else said they were so I can not even claim I was blocked and must assume she survived another way. I said my role is complicated in how I get shots. How or why would wolf make up all that, is no credit, wolves have good fake claims that may seem more "proveable" than the real things. I am just telling you what is true from my POV, what reason do you have for not believing it

And what reason do you have for feeling so sure Nutella flips town? The only way I see that she flips town is if you are wolf with TMI but that also doesn't feel right. Everyone else here is sure she is most likely just a hit and we should not save her a third (fourth counting night) time, why do you feel you must shield her so hard in this scenario? Just being contrarian for the heck of it so you can brag if you are right? Or is it the world you are wolf with TMI and trying to discredit me for next misyeet?

Quokka wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:19 pm Here's to a very Merry Christmas for everyone and a happy new year. It was a blast playing with you all. <3

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:38 pm Akemi, it's not specific for Allison to not fight for her life as wolf.

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:33 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:30 pm what does that role mean?

The one I'm targeting can choose the lynch between him and another player he chooses, no one else can be lynched that day

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:30 pm Michelle just tell me who you think Alison is I’m vt now it can’t hurt

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:19 pm Next order of business is if Marmot denies being AlisonPrime

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:15 pm if we get to F3 and they’re still alive that’s where I’d initially be inclined to vote

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:13 pm Still marmot psp (f3 made)