The Syndicate

Mungbean wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:02 pm I have town reads on 2-3 people on this Guillo wagon, but I'm not sure what the main basis for it. Is it just meta?

@Mungbean Who were the 2-3 people on Guillo's wagon that you were townreading?

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:20 pm If I were going to bus a teammate, it wouldn't be the extra kill godfather. Just saying.

Again, Guillo voted Chelsea as his last post of the day and peaced out about 4 minutes after Manny indicated he voted for Guillo, and Chelsea in the poll voted Guillo after Manny, so by the time Chelsea and/or Raskol voted Guillo, Guillo was already in anti-spew like he had been caught and stopped responding to the thread

It's a suboptimal move to bus the KP GF, but if Guillo was already out like he was expecting to go down and stopped trying to fight it, then it doesn't matter what roles Guillo had if he was always going to get flipped

Understand your point though, don't get me wrong

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:00 pm @LordQuas You don't need too. I am dead tmr (beside I was a busy town this week end, that is all)

Wonder if this is just wolf-indicative

Reason being that Raskol was like "I'm gonna die tomorrow". Surviving N1, understandable. Surviving N2 as well, probably should disappear for the day haha. I may be overthinking it though, just where my brain went on seeing this

Mungbean wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:18 pm I have to vote based on my own reads ultimately and not meta that I'm not privy to.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine. For persistent and mostly unjustified (or at least oddly exaggerated) defensiveness primarily.

Mungbean wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:20 pm I will likely pop back before the deadline but could only really consider switching to Valentine unless there are any major developments.

don't like this considering this was well after Guillo's wagon was gaining consistent traction

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm Also I am not familiar with anyone still alive so if people could refer to the names people are using on this board rn and not other/non-obvious nicknames, I'd appreciate it since this shit is already pretty headache inducing as is

oops, apologies

The ones who you'll see referred to by other names are:

risiinq- (Snow),
Le petit poussin (Raskol),
me depending on how you look at it (Inawordyes = Iawy)
DaughterOfOmega (DoOm)

Is there any particular reason that Daughter's role is town moreso than mafia/3P?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:41 pm I still forget that it was Guillo not Generico in those fol games.

But yea voting Guillo.

Here's when I voted guillo


Forgot to use the formal vote thing because didn't want to open the full editor

Well that doesn't quite make sense given the ordering of votes unless Manny changed his from and then back to Guillo at some point, or he voted Guillo a lot later than he stated in-thread

hmm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:42 pm also i was gonna push for IAWY but then he came in and started posting exactly what I had be worried about overnight with Chelsea so I feel less keen about that

still not sure Chelsea is a wolf mind you, but her weirdness with guillo + her not dying makes me nervous. Wasn't planning on posting about it until she showed up though

Push me anyways tbh, I'm kinda on a hyper kick posting all over the thread instead of working on assignments that are due tomorrow IRL and I haven't even started yet, so if I am mafia then I kinda have a lot of control over the gamestate rn since I'm posting a lot and for the most part of the only one posting.

Us aligning on the topic of Chelsea doesn't invalidate all the other reasons it sounds like you have for suspecting me enough to advocate for a wagon push

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:42 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:41 pm I still forget that it was Guillo not Generico in those fol games.

But yea voting Guillo.

Here's when I voted guillo


Forgot to use the formal vote thing because didn't want to open the full editor

Well that doesn't quite make sense given the ordering of votes unless Manny changed his from and then back to Guillo at some point, or he voted Guillo a lot later than he stated in-thread

hmm

The poll isn't in order btw.

I just realized that, which completely blows the majority of my Chelsea thoughts out of the water

Which I completely despise btw, but it is what it is

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:44 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm Is there any particular reason that Daughter's role is town moreso than mafia/3P?

the main thing that's pushing me towards believing it is it would be odd for town to have 0 kp in this setup

I don't disagree, but throwing town a low-poster killer, when Mafia are more likely to not low-post, seems almost destined to end up killing a lot of lhf townies rather than ever catch legitimate mafia

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:46 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:44 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:42 pm also i was gonna push for IAWY but then he came in and started posting exactly what I had be worried about overnight with Chelsea so I feel less keen about that

still not sure Chelsea is a wolf mind you, but her weirdness with guillo + her not dying makes me nervous. Wasn't planning on posting about it until she showed up though

Push me anyways tbh, I'm kinda on a hyper kick posting all over the thread instead of working on assignments that are due tomorrow IRL and I haven't even started yet, so if I am mafia then I kinda have a lot of control over the gamestate rn since I'm posting a lot and for the most part of the only one posting.

Us aligning on the topic of Chelsea doesn't invalidate all the other reasons it sounds like you have for suspecting me enough to advocate for a wagon push

problem was I didn't have many reasons, I just thought you d1 felt very odd and didn't like the pushes you were making

Le poutit was actually my top wolf but I took the start of day post to mean they can't be voted for. Which honestly seems unusual for a wolf role so I might be wrong there too

day commuters are funny, but yeah if you've ever watched Survivor, specifically S40, it's the Safety Without Power twist - leave the thread, cannot vote but also cannot be voted for. In a game where your vote and your voice are you biggest assets outside of any PR abilities you have, it's a pure self-pres move and I don't see why a day commuter would be more likely town when town really have nothing to hide and the only way a day commuter benefits Le Petit is if they were at risk of dying - but commuting means not being able to give content and reads as a townie, which seems counter-intuitive

could be 3p, but I'm not gonna set down that rabbithole rn

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:52 pm im going sleep, I think I outted bad mech w/e dont think it helps much

[8] Guillotine: Schiavetto, Sabiplz, Valentine, LordQuas, Manny, Chelsea, Le petit poussin, nutella
[3] Cape90: risiinq-, Creature, WindwardAway
[3] Creature: Mungbean, DeeZees, falcon45ca
[2] Valentine: IBA, ColinIsCool
[1] Chelsea: Guillotine
[1] DeeZees: DaughterOfOmega
[1] Le petit poussin: TheFloyd73
[1] LordQuas: Inawordyes
[1] Mungbean: Cape90

agree re busters, they did not try to save guillo at all.

Potential other lunches were Creature/Cape. Creature I still think could be wolf, and Cape's voters have two town imo.

Oh worth saying here, if we think the bus plan was in action do we think he ditches a vote with Chelsea like that who then votes him? Kinda wanna clear her for that

This is what DeeZee (aka Dr. Zeus, another nameism if you come across it) posted earlier, which is the order that I was going off of

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:47 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:45 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:44 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm Is there any particular reason that Daughter's role is town moreso than mafia/3P?

the main thing that's pushing me towards believing it is it would be odd for town to have 0 kp in this setup

I don't disagree, but throwing town a low-poster killer, when Mafia are more likely to not low-post, seems almost destined to end up killing a lot of lhf townies rather than ever catch legitimate mafia

sbpcbwwe

is that a keyboard mash or an acronym I don't understand?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:51 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:47 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:45 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:44 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm Is there any particular reason that Daughter's role is town moreso than mafia/3P?

the main thing that's pushing me towards believing it is it would be odd for town to have 0 kp in this setup

I don't disagree, but throwing town a low-poster killer, when Mafia are more likely to not low-post, seems almost destined to end up killing a lot of lhf townies rather than ever catch legitimate mafia

sbpcbwwe

is that a keyboard mash or an acronym I don't understand?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

nvm it just clicked, disregard

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:52 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:49 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:46 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:44 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:42 pm also i was gonna push for IAWY but then he came in and started posting exactly what I had be worried about overnight with Chelsea so I feel less keen about that

still not sure Chelsea is a wolf mind you, but her weirdness with guillo + her not dying makes me nervous. Wasn't planning on posting about it until she showed up though

Push me anyways tbh, I'm kinda on a hyper kick posting all over the thread instead of working on assignments that are due tomorrow IRL and I haven't even started yet, so if I am mafia then I kinda have a lot of control over the gamestate rn since I'm posting a lot and for the most part of the only one posting.

Us aligning on the topic of Chelsea doesn't invalidate all the other reasons it sounds like you have for suspecting me enough to advocate for a wagon push

problem was I didn't have many reasons, I just thought you d1 felt very odd and didn't like the pushes you were making

Le poutit was actually my top wolf but I took the start of day post to mean they can't be voted for. Which honestly seems unusual for a wolf role so I might be wrong there too

day commuters are funny, but yeah if you've ever watched Survivor, specifically S40, it's the Safety Without Power twist - leave the thread, cannot vote but also cannot be voted for. In a game where your vote and your voice are you biggest assets outside of any PR abilities you have, it's a pure self-pres move and I don't see why a day commuter would be more likely town when town really have nothing to hide and the only way a day commuter benefits Le Petit is if they were at risk of dying - but commuting means not being able to give content and reads as a townie, which seems counter-intuitive

could be 3p, but I'm not gonna set down that rabbithole rn

giving them an extra day for parity or bullshit is mildly annoying

There's another layer of it too, which is that the commute only happened during the day, not during the night. If it's applicable for the entire cycle or just until EoD, we won't know until it happens, but it's one thing for a townie to have a night commuter to prevent getting NK'ed, it's quite another for a townie to have a day commuter when again, town's biggest asset is their vote and voice, and saving yourself from a chop by just being absent is incredibly whelming as a townie ability when it doesn't prevent you from getting killed by the mafia overnight, whereas it protects mafia from getting chopped since they otherwise can't die overnight

it's either a mafia or 3P ability, I don't see how it can be town without being a useless role that's counter-intuitive for what townies do in a game

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:56 pm I just don’t believe the claimed role for Omega. It feels made up. I know there’s some wacky abilities in the game but it’s oppressively anti-town to put on town, and like, now what, it’s a rush to spam posts at eod? I mean I know people have this dumb idea that town are supposed to not care about dying, but, that’s dumb.

Makes the game borderline unplayable, I call shenanigans.

I don't believe the role is wrong per se, I'm in the middle of reading their ISO and this post

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:42 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:40 pm New tinfoil:
DOOM lied about their role and actually did that so we post more and actually is a back up, backing up guillo's role

So I'm a backup who claimed low post killer.

Who then has killed the two low posters?

That would need to exist elsewhere

I've seen you sow seeds of doubt and mafia logic so far today

I do agree with. If Daughter is lying, then the kills have to be explained some other way. Not impossible though

Which is moreso to say, I don't believe Daughter is lying about their role so much as they are lying about their alignment

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:01 pm You can tell me revealing my walrus over this game says something about how engaging my role is

I have nothing of value to contribute via my role either, but

as stated twice already on this page

if townie, your power is in your vote and your voice, not your roles

so if you're not engaged in the game because of your role

aka, you're focusing more on your role than the content you could generate and the game-solving you can do

at best, it's having the wrong focus and a bad mindset for having WIM in this game

at worst, it's an unintentional self-tell that you're not town

And considering you're reading along and lurking enough to know we're talking about you to conveniently pop in, then you can definitely contribute when your walrus reveal is done and you have time freed up, so I expect at least a readslist before I go to bed. Anything to show that you care about solving this game

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:06 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:05 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:01 pm You can tell me revealing my walrus over this game says something about how engaging my role is

I have nothing of value to contribute via my role either, but

as stated twice already on this page

if townie, your power is in your vote and your voice, not your roles

so if you're not engaged in the game because of your role

aka, you're focusing more on your role than the content you could generate and the game-solving you can do

at best, it's having the wrong focus and a bad mindset for having WIM in this game

at worst, it's an unintentional self-tell that you're not town

you said it

i vibe with that

@IBA @LordQuas see above, if I'm reading Daughter's response correctly

Val, where's your head at atm?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:10 pm This reminds me of my last game, people just saying "kill this town it helps us"

over talking about killing mafia

lmao

did you misunderstand what I said?

are we misunderstanding your response to what I was saying about you specifically?

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:12 pm Why don’t we just feed Colin three roles and test his claim? Or is that only a night action

it sounds like from how he explained it earlier that he has have those roles revealed directly to him in the neighbor chat he creates, so us outing now accomplishes nothing for him towards achieving his wincon

it also completely exposes us to the mafia team and helps them prioritize who to kill

so you know, there's that too

Benji, make a case on me that isn't OMGUS, thank you

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:16 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:15 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:10 pm This reminds me of my last game, people just saying "kill this town it helps us"

over talking about killing mafia

lmao

Literally in the best case scenario and by your own admission, keeping you alive is just killing an extra town for scum every day. Explain to me why you wouldn’t want us to murder you as town. You’re a walking giant liability in literally the best case scenario.

Just post more than mafia.

The entire mafia team is going to be incentived to do the bare minimum and ensure they're 1-2 posts above the lowest townie poster

may be able to more easily catch them but you do realize you outing at SoD makes your entire role useless because Mafia can make you entirely ineffectual now that they know you exist by posting more than town?

Like, I'm not trying to be like aggressive and pushing on you, but you just seem to not care at all and as a townie that's an extremely dangerous place to be because that's how we lose games

ok fine, be that way

changing topics, why am I obvious mafia per your comments earlier on today?

Considering you just doubled down on it above, it's a topic I want to hear your reasons for

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:32 pm Like if not for the stack of bodies I'd think jester at this point honestly

I was just thinking that, it really seems like it

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:36 pm Alright, I am now just experiencing people being rude to me because I actually gave my reads.

Yeah this playerlist ain't for me sometimes

Can you explain your reads? Like, how you said I'm obvious mafia and then re-iterated it above?

You gave your reads, great! Now can you explain why you read them that way?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:11 am DZ has been pushing a mafia agenda in the game, he doesn't actually come from a town perspective the way he thinks about anything in the game.

IBA has not been solving, but has constantly been complaining about the lack of solve. They also read as someone who isn't wanting to make the best decisions for town.

You just come off as a liar

So I’m obvious mafia and you invariably come off as having the most conviction and confidence in me being mafia of the three of us

But then you have the weakest and least-developed read of the three of us on me. Because that makes complete sense

Ok

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:55 am [8] Guillotine: Schiavetto, Sabiplz, Valentine, LordQuas, Manny, Chelsea, Le petit poussin, nutella
[3] Cape90: risiinq-, Creature, WindwardAway
[3] Creature: Mungbean, DeeZees, falcon45ca
[2] Valentine: IBA, ColinIsCool
[1] Chelsea: Guillotine
[1] DeeZees: DaughterOfOmega
[1] Le petit poussin: TheFloyd73
[1] LordQuas: Inawordyes
[1] Mungbean: Cape90


I dont think creature is town.

Creature and two of my town on cape weakens my read on snow. Wind is lock town. Kinda strange how cape wagon like peaked at 4(?)

Im still convinced creature was a wolf fwiw. May be my undoing. But 2 town on him- and- mungbean. I have legacy TR on him keen to explore.

Valentine was left with a stubborn IBA and colin. We dont talk about coooolin (to that tiktok song about nuno.) But iba i think was wrong here and valentine kinda crashed and burned. I think Nut had a theory on val im gunna go read up again. Overall again weakens strong TR i had but not by much

Doom and IAWY remaineders. I thibk IAWY still suss to me. Doom dunno what shes up to, one for resolution at some point

I’m obvious top town, so you’re gonna have to explain to me why you still sus me beyond “Iawy is sus” (which is not a reason)

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:51 am If I had a vote right now I'd be voting IAWY

OMGUS is not a personality trait, thank you

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:16 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:58 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:56 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:55 am

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:54 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:53 am Lol

I hope you are lolling at my obsessuon and not my solve

Partly both I think Wind is hard wolfing up the thread tbh.

Why the hell do you think that

Clicks tongue. Vibes? Well, kinda vibes. I think the way you've come into the thread today along with IWAY are the greatest offenders it feels like two entirely new people with agendas came in swinging. IWAY I get is POE and was prob a big target soon but you I was already semi wolf-reading.

I think you missed the part where people have started thinking IAWY is townier today
I mean, yeah, he's hard pushing you so regardless of your alignment I can see why you'd push him back
But I don't think he's as big of a target now as he mightve been earlier
Also, why exactly are you scumreading me? Vibes isn't really a great answer. Either you think I'm lying about mech, or you think I'm telling the truth but I'm wolfing and spewing info for no goddamn reason, or you are actually wolfing and you want me out of the game because you know I'm right.

I don't think IAWY's push on me is townie because it's me he's pushing and I don't mean that in a "well I know I'm a villager" kind of way, I expect to be pushed it's kinda how my entire meta is I don't just wolfread people based on that, it's because how he's taking my interactions with Gulio. Like, if I'm a wolf, I'm gonna get the most cred from bussing and starting the fire that got Gulio exe'd not go "Whoa guys should we vote this guy idk" and put a silent vote on. That's the dumbest mafia play in history and IAWY knows I would never tackle that angle. It's wolfy as hell.

As for you, I get that you're spewing out roles, that much I understand but why exactly do you think that warrants a townread for you outting a ton of roles in the thread? Did I miss something else grand that should make me go "Yeah Wind is lock town" because I don't see that at first glance.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:06 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:04 am Oh ew that came off a bit more snappy then I thought it would hang on let me go like, make some cookies and come back because the fact I am even in the conversation threw me for a loop. Please leave your questions here.

1. Were you joking about something bad happening if you vote, or were you serious?
2. Did you get cop results? I wasn't going to ask for this but DZ already did so I'm just repeating the question since it's out of the bag.

1) I was joking, I was simply told I can't vote I don't know what would happen if I tried
2) No results here. I was talking to Colin about the theory Nutella could've picked me as a target or if it was Colin as the target but I still don't get it because why am I in a hood with the 3p but maybe that's why my vote was stoped? Eh, it confused me last night confuses me now.

I don’t know that, actually, and I am not going to be slandered as if I do. Anybody is capable of doing anything at any given time when randing mafia, any play more or less is fair game and constantly expecting meta to hold true is going to eventually be a losing proposition. I do not have much recent experience of you to remember anything about your meta anyways, nor do I care as I am talking about the actions of this game, in this thread, as they pertain to the events we’re currently finagling

Disagree with my questioning of you all you want, obv you would regardless of your alignment because it’s someone pushing into you and whether you’re town or mafia you don’t want to die; but don’t push an agenda onto me out of thin air to justify OMGUSing me when my posts make it very clear that I didn’t come in with a plan to push on you specifically. And since you claim I know you so well, then you evidently should know me well enough inversely to know that if I was mafia pushing you, this is not the route that I’m gonna take to do it

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:45 am Ngl IAWY is my prime suspect for vote cancelling Chelsea but I don't really know if that tells us anything

I didn’t have an action last night

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:33 am What's iawy's reputation as scum? Is he good at avoiding being voted out?

If I can survive D1, I become extremely scary and have a lot of staying power. I would like to say my reputation is good, but I can’t speak for what other people think of me

I can link to recent mafia games on MU if you’d like

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:12 pm yo iawy

y u wolf bro

wish I was, would have more fun

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:17 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:11 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:59 pm Is there any reason I can't just ignore this walrus stuff

Idk, I just saw it and I'm mostly ignoring it

we re so fuclef n a lt a ppl not applrhyig like it

Oh we're absolutely in hot water
I said this earlier, I thought
Or else I said it in my head , idk

I'm not sure if DoOm is actually a priority vote for today like I think she's probably sk and not town but I can understand the case for her not being scum, I just don't like that she is compulsively killing the lowest poster each day and has no way of holstering because that's incredibly anti-town especially since she outed her role

Ngl I'm fine with a wagon on IAWY at the moment, will think more about that in the morning but I can buy the case on him and I'm less partial to the case on Chelsea unless someone has more condemning evidence

The walrus thing doesn't matter much as far as I can tell because I think the ppl who won it are prob town anyway so whatever, I'd be more concerned if I saw one of my scumreads up there

who has provided a case?

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:12 pm yo iawy

y u wolf bro

wish I was, would have more fun

vote schia?

I,m 100% sure you or schia is wolf based on mech

i can't be mafia here

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:17 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:11 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:59 pm Is there any reason I can't just ignore this walrus stuff

Idk, I just saw it and I'm mostly ignoring it

we re so fuclef n a lt a ppl not applrhyig like it

Oh we're absolutely in hot water
I said this earlier, I thought
Or else I said it in my head , idk

I'm not sure if DoOm is actually a priority vote for today like I think she's probably sk and not town but I can understand the case for her not being scum, I just don't like that she is compulsively killing the lowest poster each day and has no way of holstering because that's incredibly anti-town especially since she outed her role

Ngl I'm fine with a wagon on IAWY at the moment, will think more about that in the morning but I can buy the case on him and I'm less partial to the case on Chelsea unless someone has more condemning evidence

The walrus thing doesn't matter much as far as I can tell because I think the ppl who won it are prob town anyway so whatever, I'd be more concerned if I saw one of my scumreads up there

who has provided a case?

Multiple people, not just chelsea

receipts

people saying "I think Iawy is sus" is not a case, it's also not special because everybody does that

IBA, you have had a very weird interest in everybody claiming their roles all day, why do you care so much what everybody's roles are when we're still at a point where it pretty much benefits everybody except town?

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:56 am I've not been a fan about how he's calling himself top town when he's not done enough to justify it; that was quite performative and didn't feel like entitled town normally do

I don’t think I’m top town to everybody else, but I know that I am town so same difference to me when I’m my own.
That is my mopey vent of the day phase, getting it out of the way now rather than sitting on it and getting more frustrated because I’m not acknowledging it. The game cares not for feelings though, so I continue on

Alright, Guillo spends a bit of time in his early ISO pushing hard into Le Petit over kind of a nonsensical case, that being that Rask thought that DZ was faking being drunk at the start of the game and Guillo was it was TMI that spewed them as W/W partners

If Petit can still be voted for today, then they haven’t been committed, that’s more like a day jail or a silencer. And I don’t see why Raskol would silence himself if it doesn’t actually protect him - going back again to my earlier thoughts on how it’s mafia-indicative to have a day commuter because mafia just have to survive since they can kill overnight, whereas town usually doesn’t and so a day commuter makes little sense when it takes away your biggest power which is your vote and voice; it makes infinitely less sense to have a day commuter that doesn’t even prevent you from dying, which means that as town it serves zero utility, and as mafia it relies on having a dumb town that isn’t smart enough to question the smoke and mirrors and just assume they’re safe, which also makes it near-useless.

Which is to say, a silencer/kidnapper is way more likely to be scum-aligned, and I’m assuming Petit was targeted by someone who silenced them today because Petit going missing makes no sense otherwise. Which means that unless the scumteam is in the business of making over complicated WIFOM gambits, Petit was more than likely targeted by mafia which makes him town here. The silence had its intended affect too, considering that a lot of people have automatically assumed he was mafia because he’s missing, conveniently while he’s not able to be here to defend himself from the accusation

Alright, Guillo spends a bit of time in his early ISO pushing hard into Le Petit over kind of a nonsensical case, that being that Rask thought that DZ was faking being drunk at the start of the game and Guillo was it was TMI that spewed them as W/W partners

If Petit can still be voted for today, then they haven’t been committed, that’s more like a day jail or a silencer. And I don’t see why Raskol would silence himself if it doesn’t actually protect him - going back again to my earlier thoughts on how it’s mafia-indicative to have a day commuter because mafia just have to survive since they can kill overnight, whereas town usually doesn’t and so a day commuter makes little sense when it takes away your biggest power which is your vote and voice; it makes infinitely less sense to have a day commuter that doesn’t even prevent you from dying, which means that as town it serves zero utility, and as mafia it relies on having a dumb town that isn’t smart enough to question the smoke and mirrors and just assume they’re safe, which also makes it near-useless.

Which is to say, a silencer/kidnapper is way more likely to be scum-aligned, and I’m assuming Petit was targeted by someone who silenced them today because Petit going missing makes no sense otherwise. Which means that unless the scumteam is in the business of making over complicated WIFOM gambits, Petit was more than likely targeted by mafia which makes him town here. The silence had its intended affect too, considering that a lot of people have automatically assumed he was mafia because he’s missing, conveniently while he’s not able to be here to defend himself from the accusation

Whoops, didn’t mean to double-post that

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:01 pm 1) Le petit's posts felt the most awkward for me.

2) IAWY pushing two LHFs here feel so weird for then.

I dunno what to make out of nutella rn.

1) Why? I had an early TMI sus on him, what about you?

2) Who are the LHFs?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:45 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:11 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:01 pm Le petit's posts felt the most awkward for me.

IAWY pushing two LHFs here feel so weird for then.

I dunno what to make out of nutella rn.

Is it just weird? Or is it scummy? If it's weird, but not scummy, then what makes it notable enough to feel off, but not off enough to be mafia-indicative for you?

I thought it was uncharacteristic for you to push pyxxy and falcon out of all players here.

These are the LHFs then.

Thread thoughts on Guillo completely sidestepping giving thoughts on me just to ask who I was pushing?

This was his reaction and besides saying that Falcon wasn’t LHF in his next post after these, he never brings up the topic again or brings up a read of any kind of me whatsoever

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:52 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:48 am Whoops, didn’t mean to double-post that

It was a good post tho

The only part that gives me pause - and it isn’t exclusive to just Petit here - is that Guillo kinda superspewed Manny town with how hard we went at him at the end of his ISO right before he froze and bailed from the thread for the rest of the day

Manny dying makes sense for that reason, but Guillo also went super hard at Petit early on, he pushed heavily on Chelsea, he was pushing towards Val (though that is way less of a thing), he was also calling DZ mafia with a degree of confidence, etc etc. So theoretically, multiple people are spewed pretty good by Guillo’s ISO - but despite having two night phases to freely kill - and until someone claims vig and/or we chop an SK, I’m going to assume both non-DoOm NKs are from the mafia team - Manny died, Petit (and Chelsea/Val/DZ/etc) did not

Which isn’t enough for me to rescind my entire case, as anybody can live or die for any number of reasonings and we aren’t privy to that info, but is still a somewhat-puzzling element of the story

Hi Sabi

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:08 am

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:52 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:48 am Whoops, didn’t mean to double-post that

It was a good post tho

The only part that gives me pause - and it isn’t exclusive to just Petit here - is that Guillo kinda superspewed Manny town with how hard we went at him at the end of his ISO right before he froze and bailed from the thread for the rest of the day

Manny dying makes sense for that reason, but Guillo also went super hard at Petit early on, he pushed heavily on Chelsea, he was pushing towards Val (though that is way less of a thing), he was also calling DZ mafia with a degree of confidence, etc etc. So theoretically, multiple people are spewed pretty good by Guillo’s ISO - but despite having two night phases to freely kill - and until someone claims vig and/or we chop an SK, I’m going to assume both non-DoOm NKs are from the mafia team - Manny died, Petit (and Chelsea/Val/DZ/etc) did not

Which isn’t enough for me to rescind my entire case, as anybody can live or die for any number of reasonings and we aren’t privy to that info, but is still a somewhat-puzzling element of the story

“Pushed heavily on Chelsea” is a misnomer, disregard my level of intensity on that

He was pushing into Chelsea at the end of his ISO and voted her right before disappearing. How ‘heavily’ he pushed into her is up to your own interpretation of events

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:08 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:31 pm Guillotine -> I dont make my reads on day 1 taking into account who is scum with who since i just have way too many people i sr or scumlean rn to efficiently do so, i just place everyone i read and didnt like and ill start considering who is w with w after someone flips
This is kinda bordering on being too scummy to actually be scum but since i could go around my head in circles eternally deciding which it is imma just sr again.

So you scum read us individually? Ok I can get behind that thought process.

I still disagree with your town leans on Chelsea and Valentine whom have a high chance of being partners in my opinion. I disagree with your confident scum read on Creature, they haven't done anything drastic to deserve that, they have just been...meh? His self confirmable role soft is what stops me from going ham on him because I'm not that crazy to go after him unless I catch him slipping, but a townread like you picture it? Nah my friend.

Also, I no longer scum read petit, still undecided on DeeZee.

I don't think we are gonna be agreeing much in this game by the looks of it.

Well actually

This came out of nowhere and no explanation or follow-up, the reason reversal is never touched on again before Guillo leaves out

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I am conflicted