The Syndicate

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:24 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:23 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:16 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:05 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:02 pm No one's accusing Colin of being Dopp

That's how your post read at first glance, apologies

What I said still stands in a general sense

Sure, nw - like, from where I'm standing it comes up because like,

I think differences in dayplay do have a hand in what spew looks like here? And with Quas being 100% not maf to me here, and however much paranoia Colin has expressed around pushes on his slot, he has claimed that he isn't town, which is unfortunately not something I can ignore, and a lot of his play comes across less as townsiding and more as not wanting to get caught. It's just frustrating to have a lot of mechtalk around role confirmation, but watch a lot of it fall off hard as things move toward clearcut alignment implications, or even spec

Meanwhile like.... again, the Inawolfyes Hellbus Universe is clown town. Unless you're just out here letting your balls hang??

I have a very specific way of playing as mafia, I have very specific tells hat are obvious when comparing my town game to my scum game. I have that intimate knowledge to very clearly and confidently say that I've already spewed myself locktown-never-can-be-mafia-here - but obv not everybody is going to put in the effort to read my meta to come to the same conclusion, nor do I expect them to care enough to do so either

It sounds like you're basically locking yourself into "Iawy has to be mafia because Quas is never mafia" but you're in denial about it so you're focusing on Colin so you can avoid actually having to both acknowledge that one of us is Mafia and you were wrong, and also solve within us when you've got an obvious non-town in front of you that you can use to procrastinate on that front

How loudly do I have to reject this before you stop complaining about it

Louder for the ones in the back

If you are town, then one of us is mafia, point-blank period. If you think we're both top towns going into today, that's for you to solve, but putting it off in favor of trying to push at Colin is not going to get anybody anywhere

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:46 pm Anyway I thought Iawy made your claim look bogus because you just copied their targets and your role sounds completely made up but but idk if Iawy doesn’t feel that way I have to reevaluate

To me, this is basically F3+ Deluxe. We have 3 in the PoE, including myself, so it's effectively a F3 situation for me, we just have 2 conftown and a 3P as spectators to us solving our own crap

So it's not that I do or don't believe Schia's claim, it's that it's a 50/50 so I reevaluate both of them regardless of how strongly I think either are or aren't town

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:06 pm i guess what's like, actually annoying with Iawy atm is that I think the way they've played is consistent with Doppelganger laying low D1, hitting maf, then coming in hard next phase with the hellbus to maintain natural distance from having been unaligned for the first day

i also think it accounts for a lot of the flinching and hissy fits over people arguing for w!Iawy when that hasn't actually happened yet

Have you ever seen me play a D1 before?

The answer is yes, so taking my standard, easily-obversable meta that occurs across all games I've played - and to which I pointed out and commented on several times D1 as it was - and turning it into a negative for me just because there's a doppelganger in this game is grossly mischaracterizing my play just to have something to scumread me for

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:30 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:28 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:46 pm Anyway I thought Iawy made your claim look bogus because you just copied their targets and your role sounds completely made up but but idk if Iawy doesn’t feel that way I have to reevaluate

To me, this is basically F3+ Deluxe. We have 3 in the PoE, including myself, so it's effectively a F3 situation for me, we just have 2 conftown and a 3P as spectators to us solving our own crap

So it's not that I do or don't believe Schia's claim, it's that it's a 50/50 so I reevaluate both of them regardless of how strongly I think either are or aren't town

Who are your conftown?

Val and Chel, the two mechanically-confirmed townies, and then yourself who's a known 3P. The PoE of non-mechcleared players was 6 yesterday, and half the PoE died between yesterday's chop and the NKs, which leaves 3 in the PoE and exactly 1 mafia between them

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm gRoSsLy MiScHaRaCtErIzInG mY pLaY

Now who's having a hissy fit

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:37 pm You can't believe that Val+Chels are mech clear & that there's 1 maf in me or Quas.

My being town is incompatible with Quas being maf.

Good point

[VOTE: Schia] aubergine

IBA being the one that alerted Mung to the fact that his name was being actively thrown out for him to come in and make a wolfy-pop in defense makes perfect sense in hindsight, he was one of the few people actively in-thread during that discussion

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:07 pm i’ve arbitrarily decided iawy is probably a wolf because it just feels more like he saw the crumbs or rolecopped or something schia and decided to Steal The Crumbs

maybe in sympathetic rn to the like ... energy i guess schia has even if it’s different than what i previously experienced

like i guess the game makes more sense that way ? idk schia like choosing to willfully copy someone’s results as wolf would be so goofy and they could just like abandon their crumbs

wifom blah blah

If the choice is between solely me and Schia, then that’s one thing. Banking your entire game on me being smart enough to pick up on an invest town breadcrumbing, correctly deduce not only that it is breadcrumbing but that it is explicitly breadcrumbing an invest role - and not only that, but that it is an invest role with an odd-night restriction - and not only THAT, but gambke that the Snow check was “Failure” because of a potential RB situation, not because of seeing them as non-town or seeing them targeting someone who died (as I would in this theory assume Schia is tracker as that’s what I claimed to preemptively CC him)

Well that’s putting too much credit on my shoulders when we’ve already established in both this game and beyond that I am extremely oblivious to ‘obvious’ things and am bad at noticing breadcrumbs. It requires me to be a god-tier wolf who actively bussed all of his teammates either directly or passively, and sussed out 95% of Schia’s laid breadcrumbs and beat him to the punch with a fake claim that contains specific info (being RBed when targeting Snow) that I can’t have obtained without having targeted her myself with an action

Regardless of what you think of us, Quas is mechanically town - either Schia is town and telling the truth, which clears Quas, or Schia mafia, which obviously means that Quas can’t also be mafia with just 1 left. My claim and my alignment don’t matter for the purposes of that since Schia’s directly clears him whereas mine just says he didn’t carry the NK on N1

In all honesty, the breadcrumbs are incredibly convincing and logical and laid out exactly where they should be for a claim coming from town. I don’t see why Schia can’t be town here

But then that poses the problem of “if it’s not Schia, then who is it?” I know it’s not me, Quas is mech cleared because of Schia period no matter what Schia’s alignment is, Colin is known 3P, and Val had her role and alignment revealed to Colin, who (assuming he’s trustworthy enough considering he still is a 3P even if seemingly townsiding) confirmed her as town day vote blocker

Which leaves exactly Chelsea as the only option left by default, and as she’s brought out earlier, she’s not in the clear because all she has to her name is a confirmed 1x BPV that was used up. There’s no guarantee the shot on her came from Mafia and not Snow’s SK kill or a town vig, which means Chelsea is not mech clear. If Schia is town, then FMPOV it can literally only be Chelsea - and vice-versa

It is the same exact scenario for v!Schia and v!Chelsea in their positions, just substitute my name for theirs in each of their world states

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:28 pm stop being logical and confusing me

It is me, Schia or Chelsea. Those are the only options

You think it’s me, that’s wrong but okay

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

Idek anymore, I still kinda harken back to the fact that Guillo voted Chelsea with a milquetoast casing on her after he started getting seriously pushed right before he bailed from the thread, and Chelsea placed a vote on him and never stated it ITT, so there’s no way to know when she jumped on his wagon since it’s out of order in the poll

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:58 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... y-Delights
Same shit.

Hi hello we are effectively in a F3 kingmaker scenario with bonus spectators

Are you going to seriously sit here and say that I am playing this the same way I did in Culinary Delights? Because it should be very obvious that I am not mafia here because I would actually know what to do right now if I was

[VOTE: Schia] aubergine

I refuse to die and lose us the game

I have consistently rallied town and been one of if not the overall most-consistently gamesolving player in this whole game. The only reason I am getting votes is because Schia breadcrumbed first, but I have done everything right this game and chopping me is voting for us to lose the game

I don't have the ability to be here for EoD and that makes me extremely upset, but what's more upsetting is that this game frustratingly started, bountifully continued, and is going to tragically end with the town paranoidly-tinfoiling me as mafia the moment I am not around, and you are handing the game to mafia because of it

I am not the vote today, a Iawy chop is the worst-possible decision that can be made this entire game and that is on you guys when I have proven myself town by my attitude and my effort

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Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:54 pm

there we go

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Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:56 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:02 pm sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying

I will gladly do both, preferably in that order