The Syndicate

Regardless though, GG everybody! This game was exhausting at times but ultimately I had a lot of fun with it. I hate you Mac for making me a player last-second, but thank you for making me mafia instead of town!

Lumi, your voting script is awesome, and my sincere apologies to everybody I argued with over the course of the game

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 6:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 6:25 am I think the mechanic is fun and worked well but for the sake of the game I would advise anyone in the future who wants to try it to not let people choose whether or not to be an npc and also to make the NPC ratio a lot lower.
I think this is bad idea like if someone doesnt want to be a player they should be allowed to choose NPC otherwise wim will be bad always. Regardless GG's to the mafia, rip for town i tried townsiding and my legacy did have on wolf so decent enough ig

As someone who chose both options but wanted to be an NPC, was told they were going to be an NPC, and then was yanked into mafia chat at game rand, I mildly disagree haha. You’re gonna have people who just wanna mess around, but those who care about the game will pick it up regardless, as I did (even though it took a bit just because I had a lot of things pulling my focus away from here up to the first purge)

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:29 am Hrm I can't vote in the poll but I can see it.

[VOTE: DeeZees] aubergine

That's what I'm doing

NEON WHAT, why would you do this so casually in locked LYLO?

Dead thread, riveting

That is such a huge stretch to make and it came out of nowhere too

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:04 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:51 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:28 pm What's the immediate opposition to the Deezees/Porscha team?
I never said I opposed it at all?
"I’ll be completely honest that none of these pairings are really grabbing me and making much sense"

This is just a gut feeling then?
No, none of the pairings really make sense, Porscha/Neon is moreso a “Porscha and Neon individually look the worst so then as a pairing makes the most sense in that respect”

Also, me saying that no teams make sense =/= “I am opposing a Zeus/Porscha team”, that is a very bad-faith push
I see. Misinterpretation.

In all honesty, how could you misinterpret it that badly?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:49 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:24 am Speculative teams for Deezees would be
Deezees/Porscha
Deezees/Iawy

I don't think it's Deezees/Neon as within a few posts yesterday there was a theoretical chop Rico chop Neon proposed. I don't think a teammate throws that out there like that.
What pairs Zeus together with Porscha or myself FYPOV?
I've not yet assessed Porscha and Deezees connection. I'm afraid that I'm too far biased on Porscha as it stands so I'm taking a temporary step back. I raised the subject as I do not recall anything that is invalidating it.

You, however, have several posts that are Null to looking good, to outed wolf over the past few cycles.
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:37 pm I understand, thanks for your explanation

What do you think about Neon and Zeus?
I did talk about them above, but TL;DR Zeus is probably the most null for me atm, but slightly townie-leaning. Neon has been getting away with not doing a whole lot, and when finally called out on it last night, they spent more time being defensive and blaming others for ‘not letting them show that they’re town’ than actually showing others that they’re town

It came across to me like “stop pushing me and then I will solve”, and when you’ve been getting a free pass since the Lily vote to do exactly that and have produced barely anything except a string of tunnels on flipped townies/NPCs and zero mafia, it doesn’t sit right with me for obvious reasons

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:42 pm Zeus looks good from Vivax spew in the matter’s ISO. It’s beginning to mean less and less as the number dwindle and Zeus is called upon to actively contribute reasons to be townie alongside it, but is still a really valid thing to consider

Which makes me wonder why Zeus is even an attempted wagon option today

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:06 pm Zeus, are you being heavily sarcastic with all these agreements, or are you basically outing yourself?
Ultimately your progression can be teammate indicative.

You’re gonna have to manually draw the lines between these three specific dots

My going back and forth on a Zeus read all day is well-documented and explained multiple times. RE: the second post, I have consistently stated that I think Zeus looks good from Vivax spew, but you didn’t quote the posts where I explained RE: the first post that the biggest part of my read on Zeus is the spew, which means less and less as the game goes on, which is why he ended up as a NLT. RE: the third post, quoting just my post misses the context of Zeus’ posts I was responding to

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:51 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:28 pm What's the immediate opposition to the Deezees/Porscha team?
I never said I opposed it at all?
"I’ll be completely honest that none of these pairings are really grabbing me and making much sense"

This is just a gut feeling then?

No, none of the pairings really make sense, Porscha/Neon is moreso a “Porscha and Neon individually look the worst so then as a pairing makes the most sense in that respect”

Also, me saying that no teams make sense =/= “I am opposing a Zeus/Porscha team”, that is a very bad-faith push

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:24 am Speculative teams for Deezees would be
Deezees/Porscha
Deezees/Iawy

I don't think it's Deezees/Neon as within a few posts yesterday there was a theoretical chop Rico chop Neon proposed. I don't think a teammate throws that out there like that.

What pairs Zeus together with Porscha or myself FYPOV?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:28 pm What's the immediate opposition to the Deezees/Porscha team?

I never said I opposed it at all?

I thought I posted that this morning, whoops

Morning

I would like to have a convo Hally about those questions I asked at EoD, now that it’s more likely we’re living in one of those two worldstates. Rico flipping town I guess ultimately isn’t surprising since he kept threatening it, but it’s insanely frustrating because that could’ve avoided if he’d actually attempted to play the game at all before then

Regardless, F6, 2 wolves in 5 from everybody’s individual PoV, means that it’s slightly above rand and would be rand tomorrow if we sleep

Hally/Iawy
Hally/Neon
Hally/Porscha
Hally/Wilgy
Hally/Zeus
Iawy/Neon
Iawy/Porscha
Iawy/Wilgy
Iawy/Zeus
Neon/Porscha
Neon/Wilgy
Neon/Zeus
Porscha/Wilgy
Porscha/Zeus
Wilgy/Zeus

Discounting the 5 Iawy worldstates since I know those are wrong. I’ll be completely honest that none of these pairings are really grabbing me and making much sense. Like, I feel like Porscha/Neon maybe makes the most sense? But it also doesn’t feel right

Something is missing I think, but I can’t quite figure out what

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:51 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:27 pm Now we're squared up, how about we play nice from now on?

T
ilario
Wilgy

T-lean
Hally
Neon
IAWY

W
Porscha
DeeZees

Thanks for not reading.
With fruits of your labor, sure!

What makes you put Wilgy higher than Hally? Or specifically, what makes Hally only a townlean?
Well, there you are again.

Wilgy based off how he buried Vivax when at 1-vote wagon and partially militated as well for Schiavetto lynch. It's in "fooled me" camp at this point, if coordinated.

Not ISO'ing Hally, because 600 posts is beyond me. Whatever frustrations they're relaying, I'll gamble that it's coming from town at this point. Plus, just like Michelle, I'd say they wouldn't stick their head to oppose a Schiavetto policy lynch this heavily as wolfmates.

Is a gamble worth more of a townlean than your thoughts on Neon and myself? Genuinely asking, no tone behind it

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:35 pm Did this get a day extension or does the day end in like 25 mins

you can see in the name of the thread as soon above any recent post! It was extended to tomorrow morning at 10AM EST

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:27 pm Now we're squared up, how about we play nice from now on?

T
ilario
Wilgy

T-lean
Hally
Neon
IAWY

W
Porscha
DeeZees

Thanks for not reading.

With fruits of your labor, sure!

What makes you put Wilgy higher than Hally? Or specifically, what makes Hally only a townlean?

Or I guess that was a bad way to phrase it - in a W!Wilgy worldstate, Vivax and Schia’s spew doesn’t matter because whether it does or doesn’t implicate Wilgy, Wilgy is still mafia. But Wilgy’s spew can potentially implicate the last mafia since W!Wilgy would be a deeper wolf who’s been successfully laying low for the most part in this scenario, which neither Vivax or Schia were in this game

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:43 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:21 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:14 pm idk what you’re asking
Is the private W!Wilgy read like the Porscha read for you, but the other way around (trying to convince yourself that he’s mafia, as opposed to trying to convince yourself that Porscha is town)?
not really? my personal read on both is that they’re probably town but i recognize that others don’t share those reads so i’m trying to see the other side

i posted the reasons why i town read porscha so that i could give wilgy (or anyone else) the opportunity to talk to me about it and tell me why they disagree

i posted the stuff about wilgy more so talking to the room and trying to see if i could wrap my brain around a wilgy wolf world / allow people to engage with my thought process one way or another

the goal of both posts is really the same

Then let’s run through both worldstates

I’m not even gonna care about Vivax or Schia associatives or spew to try and justify a W!Wilgy world, but I obviously do care about Wilgy spew towards and from the other 7 alive. So if Wilgy is mafia, then who is implicated the most from his thoughts on them and vice-versa?

In a V!Porscha world, that leaves 2 mafia in six (Rico/Neon/Ilario/Wilgy/DZ and each other from our separate viewpoints). At this point I think anybody who would’ve countered Ilario’s claim would’ve done so, so I’m willing to take it as true. That leaves 2 in 5

Who do you think has the most scum equity in Rico/Neon/Wilgy/DZ/Iawy?

Okay, so where I stand right now = Hally towniest town, if Hally is a wolf we’ve already lost so I’m not even gonna worry with paranoia or tinfoil since it serves no benefit

Hally
Ilario
-
DeeZees/Wilgy/Porscha/Neon
-
Ricochet

I am more conflicted on Rico now than I was coming into the thread this morning based on his posts (as frustrating as they are), but I cannot in good conscience put him above anybody else because the gap is obviously massive

I need to reeval everybody in the middle, I think they’re roughly in the order listed but at this stage you don’t double down on your reads without properly giving both perspectives a fair shake. I just don’t have the time to do an ISO right now at work, but I’ll get to that later on hopefully when I’m back home

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:14 pm idk what you’re asking

Is the private W!Wilgy read like the Porscha read for you, but the other way around (trying to convince yourself that he’s mafia, as opposed to trying to convince yourself that Porscha is town)?

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:12 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:08 pm You had a vote that mattered, and you actively chose to do nothing worthwhile with it this whole game, and seem content with thag. You act like it’s an affront that you're potentially going to get chopped without self-reflection and responsibility-taking of your own hand in matters

But we’re the ones in the wrong
don’t waste your time honestly, anyone who has played the way he has doesn’t really care about anyone else in the game except themself

nothing you say is going to get through to him, he doesn’t care

I care, so I’m speaking my mind whether he listens or not, because this is a subject that hits a sore point for me as a mafia player

It’s all NAI anyways, I’m just frustrated but I’ll actually (try to) articulate that because it’s healthier than bottling it up and pretending it doesn’t bother me. If Rico is town, then not saying something also makes the choice for him by way of assumption and denies him the chance to prove me wrong

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 6:22 pm i’ve been privately entertaining that wilgy is a wolf who i’ve been town reading because he’s been using his TMI to post mostly correct stuff while so many people this game have had ??? reads

but even ignoring his posts there’s still stuff that makes me think he’s town

vivax pushed him and voted him easily when he was the cw to ran and had a real chance of dying

also, he had a crucial vote on vivax’s wagon to build it back up and idt vivax goes over without it

Is this Wilgy read the same but in the opposite direction Hally?

You had a vote that mattered, and you actively chose to do nothing worthwhile with it this whole game, and seem content with thag. You act like it’s an affront that you're potentially going to get chopped without self-reflection and responsibility-taking of your own hand in matters

But we’re the ones in the wrong

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:55 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:44 pm Rico, now that you can reply in not-full RP, why did you throw your vote onto Nanook of all players yesterphase?

Ohh, and... One more thing, only for you...

Didn’t put thought into any votes.

But you put so much thought into everybody else’s, got it

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:48 pm You are but a lamb. A stranger to defilement. Ignorant to your own ignorance.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:04 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:02 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:09 am Rico a question, why did you wait until now to start playing? I tried to interact with you yesterday on your level by RP'ing even with my responses, and you ignored it. I did not expect you to be here and now you're coming in hot sans gimmick, and I have to question what made you wait so long?
I interpret the words of the fingers. The fingers tremble. Let their wisdom wash over you.

No incentive to play a 40-player, 24-day prelude to proper mafia.
You signed up for the game knowing what you were getting into, why choose to be a player in a game that you knew would take almost a whole month in order to actually get going?

Why didn’t you step up after the first purge like everybody else did?
Why not? Play how I want. Does it further your cause in any way to lecture me right now?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:19 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:13 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:03 am nobody should be town reading that wall
why?
why would you?

it’s a ton of information instead of analysis and the analysis that’s there is a lot of rehashing of what other’s have already said. there’s nothing that’s really interesting or difficult for a wolf to post. generally, talking about interactions and spew is the easiest thing for a wolf to do because they can just say things that are true most of the time.

and more obviously, one wall of solving the entire game as soon as his NPC cover was blown and he can’t skate by anymore is not villagery
I’ll add too, that it’s one thing to gather the info in one place and have the data available to see. It is nice to have it together, I appreciate that as a reference

But no conclusions that are drawn are followed up with, the info is presented, maybe a takeaway or two is given, but there’s nothing done with it. It’s like the expectation is “here’s a wall, my work here is done” “but you didn’t nothing” “townread plz”

And Vivax specifically has been gone for at least an IRL week if not more, this is easily work that could’ve been done multiple day phases ago and had a bigger impact when it was immediately relevant. As it stands now, like you said it doesn’t provide anything new. It looks like meaningful content, and it would’ve been earlier, but it really isn’t much at this point
Nowhere did I express the expectation that I want to be townread, that’s your projection. And conclusions are there, you just downplayed or scrolled past them. This is my analysis MO pretty much always.

Vivax is the most tangible performance compared to Schiavetto’s to look into at any point, even though I touched upon the Schiavetto lynch as well.

Doing nothing would have gotten me turbo’d. Doing this is still on track to get me turbo’d. Message received on my end of having wasted my time. Question remains if you’re willing to waste a lynch. Two wolves will certainly not mind.

Ahhh, so many thoughts where do I start

I am very aware of my ignorance thank you, which is why I actively ask questions to illuminate the path forward

Taking it as a “lecture” and being insulted by the question furthers nobody’s cause. Yes you can play however you want, but the consequences of that play are yours, and while everybody else tried to play, you waited until the last possible second and you’re only giving a modicum of effort now that you’re forced to

Why post it if the goal wasn’t to get townread for it? You contradict your own point by complaining that you’re still on-track to be turbo’ed even afterward. Are you really trying to imply that you posted it just to post and you care so little for the game that yojre okay with dying?

How about instead of making self-righteous threats about your vote being a mischop, you actually take this information you’ve compiled and put it into action and prove that you’re town

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 4:20 pm yeah i dunno, i could be clearing porscha too easily

i don’t think her posts are amazing but i’ve seen enough villagery flashes still and don’t really see her absence as AI

i skimmed her iso in her last wolf game (anni G3) and her posts this game seem way better?

also, she’s been strongly town read at various points this game by people with more direct experience with her, which i’m inclined to put stock into because it fits my perception that she does seem to have a pretty clear meta gap

idk

It sounds like you’re ending on a townlean at minimum, but it doesn’t feel like that’s where you want to end up either. Kinda like you see all this good stuff but you’re trying to talk yourself into a townread that you don’t currently believe in - to which I ask what specifically is tugging hard enough in the scummy direction to drag Porscha to at least a conflicted null?

Rico, now that you can reply in not-full RP, why did you throw your vote onto Nanook of all players yesterphase?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:50 pm I've caught up. Here's some thinks:

@DeeZees: This is the slot I've decided that I'm most scared of being wrong about. I've seen the arguments that the Vivax interactions were heavy handed then fell off, but I also see that there was some legitimate momentum gain towards a potential Vivax yeet when Deezees voted that I think makes them not W/W

@DrWilgy: Beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. Wonderful thing. Deserves some hugs and cheese cake.

@Hally: I still TR. Reviewed the Falcon EoD and find that Hally having to choose between Nutella and Falcon would've had me doing the same thing I think.

@ilario: Cleared by lack of CC. Wish we had more involvement from the slot beyond that, but we take what we can get I suppose.

@Inawordyes: I mostly TR. I find myself agreeing with most lines of thinking. At first I had felt that there was an obscure lack of conclusions being drawn in spite of the thoughts and questions put out there, but after catching up and seeing some ends i.e. the thoughts on Neon and Hally, I read this as a mostly T voice.

@Neon: I want to SR but I think I don't. I find myself in agreement with iawy's take. Neon's persistence and frustration feels real, but also I don't see Neon playing to a game winning objective.

@Porscha: The way Porscha has come gunz blazing at me after most of my town core has been yeeted feels calculated. I agree with Neon that the AtE didn't make me feel good about the slot but I think now that the push on me makes for an easy way to yeet mostly town voices and get Porscha back in the game after being away for most of it.

@Ricochet: I agree with Hally that the wallpost shouldn't be town read. Feels very much manipulative to have that post and hold it until the npc's are gone. It's also not like any other slot who at least contributed in minor pre purge.

What makes DZ’s slot so important for what ultimately amounts to a hedgy both-coins read?

Can you go more in-depth on what you mean by “obscure lack of conclusions”?

How much of your read on Porscha is ‘legitimate’ and how much of it is OMGUS and what ultimately amounts to thirdhand downstream echoes? (considering part of the reason you mention for your read is based on agreeing with Neon’s read of Porscha, and part of the reason for your read on Neon is based on agreeing with me, so it’s like this disjointed follow-through)

Put more simply, you townread me, okay. You townread Neon in part because you put stock in my read of Neon, okay. But you scumread Porscha in part because you put stock in Neon’s read of Porscha, which unlike the Neon read isn’t grounded in a trust for its own sake but like a weaker piggyback off of what’s already a secondhand read, if that makes any sense

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:19 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:13 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:03 am nobody should be town reading that wall
why?
why would you?

it’s a ton of information instead of analysis and the analysis that’s there is a lot of rehashing of what other’s have already said. there’s nothing that’s really interesting or difficult for a wolf to post. generally, talking about interactions and spew is the easiest thing for a wolf to do because they can just say things that are true most of the time.

and more obviously, one wall of solving the entire game as soon as his NPC cover was blown and he can’t skate by anymore is not villagery

I’ll add too, that it’s one thing to gather the info in one place and have the data available to see. It is nice to have it together, I appreciate that as a reference

But no conclusions that are drawn are followed up with, the info is presented, maybe a takeaway or two is given, but there’s nothing done with it. It’s like the expectation is “here’s a wall, my work here is done” “but you didn’t nothing” “townread plz”

And Vivax specifically has been gone for at least an IRL week if not more, this is easily work that could’ve been done multiple day phases ago and had a bigger impact when it was immediately relevant. As it stands now, like you said it doesn’t provide anything new. It looks like meaningful content, and it would’ve been earlier, but it really isn’t much at this point

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:02 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:09 am Rico a question, why did you wait until now to start playing? I tried to interact with you yesterday on your level by RP'ing even with my responses, and you ignored it. I did not expect you to be here and now you're coming in hot sans gimmick, and I have to question what made you wait so long?
I interpret the words of the fingers. The fingers tremble. Let their wisdom wash over you.

No incentive to play a 40-player, 24-day prelude to proper mafia.

You signed up for the game knowing what you were getting into, why choose to be a player in a game that you knew would take almost a whole month in order to actually get going?

Why didn’t you step up after the first purge like everybody else did?

Okay hi hello good morning

Rico a question, why did you wait until now to start playing? I tried to interact with you yesterday on your level by RP'ing even with my responses, and you ignored it. I did not expect you to be here and now you're coming in hot sans gimmick, and I have to question what made you wait so long?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:45 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:29 pm @Hally Where's your head at?
the same place it was at last day pretty much

i’m just gonna kill rico and see what he flips then hope i die so i don’t have to care what happens next

A+ plan, extra points for creativity and effort

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:37 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:22 pm Schia was obvious mafia for so long and the fact that it took two days for anybody to even consider voting there despite multiple people acknowledging it is maddening, but they're gone now and today isn't a waste of a day
genuine question: why is it maddening?

would anything be different about the game if we had lunched schia days ago compared to last day or even today?

schia left no spew, nobody can really be cleared for pushing them, they didn’t vote or attempt to influence the game in any way, and the wolves knew they would be outed for days

for all intents and purposes schia did not exist in this game, they were a free pelt we could get any time we felt like wasting a day on it

it wouldn’t have made any difference whether we killed them D1 or waited until F3

it's maddening for me because I saw it plain as day forever ago and nobody would do anything about it and kept making excuses to push elsewhere. And also slightly compounding that madness is that I finally gave up on the idea of tunneling into a Schia chop mid-day yesterday - and the moment I did, everybody decided that was when they'd have the epiphany that they'd need to vote Schia out and jumped on the wagon - so there's a bit of residual salt that I'm grumpy about

Having the mindset that Schia was an easy vote that could be taken out any time is exactly how mafia keeps mischops alive to endgame. If someone is so obvious, you take them out now so that if they aren't mafia, you don't take them out as the easy vote in LYLO and lose the game. So it would've made a massive difference, and consider if we had left Schia alive and now had to deal with Schia and Rico in the same exact thread boat today? Now we only have to deal with one, and we got a mafia out of the game too

That's my thoughts on it, Schia is dead and that = good, so the game continues on

@Hally Where's your head at?

What are your individual, specific reasons for sussing Wilgy enough to not-vote vote him? I am most-curious about what your read there is given that Wilgy started picking up heat at EoD

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:52 pm Hally why rico

I have placed vote on wilgy as of this post btw

Rico falls under the same exact criticisms that Schia did, but the difference is basically everybody assumed Rico was an NPC. I am genuinely shocked that Rico is still here, which makes Rico spending the last 7 day phases RP'ing to their 5-post minimum while doing barely anything look super bad since everybody else who was minposting either fell off entirely and were flipped as NPCs, stepped it up and have since died flipping town, or were Schia and kept it up and was mafia

Rico went the Schia route, so the question is whether Rico shares the Schia rand or not

Schia was obvious mafia for so long and the fact that it took two days for anybody to even consider voting there despite multiple people acknowledging it is maddening, but they're gone now and today isn't a waste of a day

anyways

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine @Ricochet You've got some major explaining to do mister RP'ing sir

I'm taking Ilario's uncc'ed claim as a lockclear in this worldstate, so @ilario get ready for the responsibility to lead town that just fell on your shoulders

Zeus, are you being heavily sarcastic with all these agreements, or are you basically outing yourself?

Hey Hally

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:16 pm Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0

schiavetto (7): Lumi (38), Manny (57), DeeZees (6), DrWilgy (7), Hally (98), Inawordyes (67), Neon (80)
neon (3): Michelle (108), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (10), ilario (11)
Not Voting (2): MacDougall (4), Jackofhearts2005 (21)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (2): Ricochet (5), pyxxy (8)
michelle (1): Porscha (2)

The fact that Zeus, Wilgy and Porscha have dropped off so incredibly hard today is very concerning

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:09 am So yh i think based on everything lumi said mafia were afraid to kill on wagon

So imo they were on wagon

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:10 am Id put money on 1-2 wagon on d1 slay wagon

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:24 am If im retracing old ground apologies.

All i know is:
- there are probabl town on the top wagon
- if there were just town wolves would feel comfy blasting in to the wagon
- if there was just one wolf they probs would to to
Going away from the wagon shows they arent hunting town in the most obvious place.

Further say two wolves were on another wagon. Theyd know how many town at least on top golden wagon.

That theyre not killing there shows poor strat, lack of wold consolidation or imo high number of wolves so they deflect

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:24 am My conclusion:
Wolves here

golden (8): EnderWiggin (100), Dyslexicon (54), Creature (78), RondoDimBuckle (119), DeeZees (19), lucy (19), Vivax (18), DrWilgy (17), G-Man (17)

Im npc. Are ang of this wagon dead yet?

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:24 am 8 players. I bet 2-3 wolves.

QED.

Interesting commentary

golden (8): EnderWiggin (100), Dyslexicon (54), Creature (78), RondoDimBuckle (119), DeeZees (19), lucy (19), Vivax (18), DrWilgy (17), G-Man (17)

In a potential W!Zeus world, does he so blatantly spew himself and Vivax here? The idea of 2-3 wolves, on a wagon of almost-entirely NPC flips, also draws eyes to Wilgy possibly? As there’s only two people who haven’t flipped yet including Zeus himself

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:04 am Dear NPCs. In Macdouglia Voluntary Euthanasia is permitted and welcomed. If you wish to return to the Valhalla that is spec chat at any time, simply send me a message and I will pull the plug on your game and send you to be with the rest of your non-existent friends.
When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging

I greatly appreciate DZ’s gimmick posting of CivV technology and civics quotes (and I want to pick your brain DZ about your thoughts on the Leader Pass)

But I think everybody in the game needs to hear this one, seeing as regardless of whether Schia’s a hit or not, we’re currently in a general hole of apathy towards the rest of the day, as well as the other, more individual applications to each of us separately. So I’d rather personally not be in this hole

That’s an aside to the solving stuff, but thought it was applicable to the now all things considered

Risii’s ISO also extremely lacking. That night is just really strange as to why of everybody, those were the two NKs

So on a whim I decided to read Tutuu’s ISO. Two people died that night, if Ilario is telling the truth about his Town Deleter claim and about holstering, then the mafia Deleter acted that night and they killed both Tutuu and Risi. Well, I don’t know who Tutuu is, so I decided to see why he would’ve been a target for mafia

And I don’t understand it, he was barking up basically every wrong tree possible, his biggest accusations were all flipped NPC or town, so he wasn’t evidently at little risk of finding mafia

But then there’s this little nugget, basically the only read that relates to someone currently still alive

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:35 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:32 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:27 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:25 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:23 pm Am I taking crazy pills?
why would you think my metaread is fake, i wouldnt fake a meta read even as scum lol specially with SK in this game.
their meta is fakeable, any meta is fakeable. Your read could also be fake. Wolves can point at someone they have played with as well and say they are playing wolfy (hell even if they arent)
it's crazy how people just forget that like

personal experience can still be substiantiable
I have a random gut scumread on Schiavetto from this chime in

Do I think Tutuu died for this one singular post that was never followed-up on? Nope because that’s silly. But the coincidence of Tutuu, who by all accounts shouldn’t have died based on their content and pushes, dying the same night that they expressed sus on someone who is currently believed to be mafia, is really high

Otherwise nothing really of note reads wise and so I don’t understand this NK

Wilgy shows up quite a bit in Vivax’s ISO, same as DZ

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:01 am Is iaafr the guy who sabotaged Jurassic Park or something? Had some really weird dreams tonight but I'm sick so...
Porscha if PC can be town, don't know what Lily is doing or the whole Nanook fake ordeal from iaafr. But I like the local mermaid.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:23 pm I‘ll sheep nutella, seems to be the most informed in certain aspects and she’s coming in swinging I like that. Can understand Santy‘s frustration but he‘ll come around (going for a townread atm). Or maybe skill issue.

Only partially unlocked/witnessed three abilities so far el oh el. Maybe four.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:52 pm Wilgy not licking anyone is off the known meta.
Worst case he‘s NPC. But I‘d wager many of those try to appear like they are not.

I‘m comfy just following the votes either of RANMILLA, nutsella or Santygass around for now.

Struggling with lateral encephalitis atm so my posting seems willy wonky probably.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pm Neon probs player, tentatively town on a quick skim. Porscha maybe NPC but likely town if PC.
Ranmilia wagon looks pure mostly.

Quite possibly a bunch of scum among nonvoters but phoneplaying so it‘ll be a slow chore to look further and it‘s killing my motivation (or WIM as you fancily call it)

Some early Vivax posts with reads on current players or thoughts I find interesting. Specifically, knowing that Nutella is town, I think that Vivax trying to sheep Nutella’s reads as a presumed pocket could be significant based on what and who she was pushing at the time

I’m not at home to be able to use the script to generate a VC from when the last post was written, but if Vivax was saying that there was bunch of scum among the no voters at the time, I actually wouldn’t doubt that he’s telling the truth about that

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:56 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:53 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:38 pm i don’t really feel like iso’ing ender and suck at reading him anyway but if people who have read wanna kill him, sure ig

i feel like i always think he’s wolfy regardless of alignment and he gets mislunched all the time lately for whatever that’s worth, but i mean he could still be a wolf
Ok Hally is a wolf
Agreed that was a scummy post.
Weren‘t you supposed to be wolfsiding tho

@Michelle Good look for Hally or not worth much?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:53 pm I've come to the conclusion I'm gonna be held alive until limlo and than misexed

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

So probably just kill me now and glgl town. I think we lost a long time ago though.

100% serious self-votes are gamethrowing, idk what to tell you. This is neither ‘tiny’ nor ‘stupid’, but it definitely is ****, on that we readily agree

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:48 pm There is nothing in that Iso Iawy

Yeah, I came to more or less the same conclusion

The two Lumi interactions could be kinda telling if Lumi somehow isn’t an NPC, but otherwise yeah

Had to do it eventually though, better to check it now while there’s than delay on it

The next step though, which is more time-consuming, is to check everybody else’s progressions on Schia, Vivax included. As what Schia [didn’t] said is probably not as much important here as what’s [not] been said about Schia

That is the last that I have to say on this for now, ideally I will move forward and press on and not bring it up again for the remainder of the day. I genuinely, sincerely suggest that you do the same Neon, as it’s never over until you’re sitting in DVC or a winner is called

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