The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:06 am @lucy There are two things that apparently hasn't dawned on you, which I think should've if you were town.

1. I'm mech cleared by being a slank vig who killed Ruri. Because a) If I was mafia, I would never kill Ruri before I killed Violet. I have experience with Ruri, and she has always been a low poster who is mischop bait. She was also up for a chop on D1 this game. Violet, however, is a player I played in champs with and who is normally very active. If both are town, I would choose Violet every time. b) I would have no incentive to claim that I killed Ruri as mafia. I would just kill her and not say anything. c) I would not forfeit the role of a vig if I was mafia. The reason I did it was precisely because I did not want mafia to inherit it if they killed me.

2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:29 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:24 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show
As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.
@lucy Is this a town post?
what was rico's previous read on tsp, that might've been a slip but I'm not convinced
This is off. You literally had a big discussion with Rico about his TSP town read and him thinking TSP was definitely town from TSP saying to shoot Dolby. That was like Rico's main thing on D2. You said you reread.

However, what you do remember, is that Boq town read both you and Rico, and that is in the forefront of your mind. (Never mind that Boq actually town read everyone except TSP and Violet. So by your own logic... everyone but Violet should be more town from Boq dying.)

This is lopsided. You are picking and choosing information to fit a narrative instead of weighing the information to come to the right conclusion.

What I don't understand here is this:

1. Why does lucy need to be a civilian to understand what you are describing? Why is that something only civilians can "get?"

2. How does your kill of Ruri mechanically clear you? You say "mech," but then follow it up with stuff you would do if this or that. That isn't mechanics. That's you asking us to believe something about you.

1. The point is, town would get it and benefit from it. And mafia would benefit from not getting it and arguing against it. It being the mechanics of my role.

2. It's related to mechanics then. It's still the same as I have said. And you can definitely say it is believing something about me. That is exactly the point. If you believe that I as mafia use my role in this way, then you can vote me and stand behind that. Then I don't know why I'm wasting my time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:33 pm 2. Literally the only person I could be teamed with would be Daisy from ypov. All others are non-options. I'm not going to explain why unless you want me to.
You reek of Golden from Game 1.

That's funny, cause I said Golden was like me when I'm mafia in game 1 =p

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:44 pmThe dual "I'm interacting with Dolby and lucy" thing here without interacting with them is fun.

Immediately after, TripleHaven and Moonwink have "fluffy pink auras." That's the extent of my reaction from Dys. Sounds like Dys knows these two are not mafia but likewise knows that one or two of the previously mentioned are.

By the aura, I meant that their personalities lent to being silly, so I didn't have the issue with them that you seemed to have.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:58 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:03 pm People I'm probably not gonna look at the rest of today because I (genuinely) think they could be town: Lucy, Boquise.
I have Moonwink's role. So I won't vote Lucy.

Can you expand on this?

I have some amount of info too, but not much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:01 am The mafia is Dyslexicon and Spacedaisy.

We are both town. ^^

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:21 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:18 am . I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.
was just testing something, dizzy should've followed me, since she didn't it's very suspicious

Why? I don't really think it's Epig tbh. He is definitely hard mafia siding, but that happens. Maybe it is him, but I don't really feel like it is.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:25 am dizzy teasing a n1 nk (ergo proclaiming themselves the best player in the game (which is true imo))
since she's still alive without a single successful Lynch I am very inclined to policy her

This is gross.

Everyone who is town has failed to kill town except Jack.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:26 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:18 am If the spread stays this way, I will definitely move though, because a tie is not an option here. I would move to either Dizzy or Lucy at this point. A vote on you is just completely baffling to me. I don't know what the deal is with lucy's vote.
it's ridiculous right?
last time I had a 100% confidence read I was right on dizzy and she won a game as mafia
I expected her to follow me because of this fact
because she didn't my conclusion is that she's too agenda'ed to actually bend to my will, ergo mafia

No. I don't trust you. So I'm not following you. In the scenario you talked about I both saw what you meant AND I think it's something I could've done as town as well. So no, I don't care about your so called 100 % confident read when I both don't understand where it comes from and I don't trust you anyway. If we mischop, the game is probably over so

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:31 am @Spacedaisy I think team is dizzy/violet or dizzy rico, either way dizzy clearing rico suddenly is disgusting, she was almost certainly setting up to push me instead of violet and pocketing rico in the process if he's town. and implicitly avoiding any votes on violet because they're lovers and dizzy or violet would die. hard to judge because it's lylo

Can you instead of saying it is disgusting comment on the actual argument for why I "cleared" him? He appeared to not know that roles are inheritable. I thought mafia would probably know?

I'm not avoiding any votes on Violet. I'm ok chopping Violet tbh. If they just didn't play and we lose, and they also targeted me with their action, then that's it. Town just lost by bad chops and bad targets.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:36 am I have a hard time reconciling Dizzy's behavior with wolf, especially yesterday unless they are protecting someone. Also, seeing their explanation of mech things I missed, gives me pause. I don't quite understand why it doesn't give anyone else pause.

I would rather see us voting Rico today, frankly. I'll move if I have to though.

Because they can just "believe" something else. Then that sorts it all out.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:39 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:36 am Also, seeing their explanation of mech things I missed, gives me pause. I don't quite understand why it doesn't give anyone else pause.
because it is within dizzy's range as scum to do x that is pro town

Yes, some things, but not that. There is no reason to do it, because it wouldn't reflect badly on me to just be a vig and not say anything as mafia. In the game I just hosted there was a role on the mafia team who could give gifts that were useful 1-shots to whoever they chose. They gave it to all town players. I said in spec that I didn't understand that and if it was me, I would just give all the 1-shots to my teammates and not claim my role. You can "believe" this or not, but I think it's pretty evident myself.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:41 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:38 am I get that.

Have you read Dizzy's case for them being "mech cleared"? I don't think they are actually mech cleared, because as Epi pointed out, it requires believing they did what they say, however, I can't see a mafia reason to have passed on the role the Ruri flipped.
I haven't actually read the case for being mech conf and admittedly I'd trust it if it came from anyone besides dizzy

I am really not very special.

If you thought I was so good at mafia, you should have voted Rico on D2.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:42 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:40 am But I feel like in the last two games I played, I based how I read someone upon not seeing a good reason for a wolf to do what they did, as in I saw no benefit for them and only risk to do what they did if they were wolf. Both of those times I was fooled. it's why I am struggling with this right now.
this is because wolves always play mechanically sub-optimally, and say "why would wolves do x, it doesn't make sense"

No.

Also this completely sidesteps another point. Do you think that mafia would have that role from the beginning at all? So basically an extra kill all game depending on activity.

This is exactly why I suspect you. You're choosing to believe and argue for things I don't think you should as town.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:46 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:01 pm

Seriously

Lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:50 am @Spacedaisy iso my last page or two, I pointed directly at dizzy then she won, I won't say that what dizzy saying isn't reasonable (it probably is) i am saying this is dizzy and I'm not trusting her confirming herself and I'm especially not liking her SRing me in lylo and positioning nobody to vote violet or rico at last second

People vote whoever the fuck they want. I clearly don't decide that. I don't give a shit if you find that voting Violet is the best.

I might be wrong on Rico. I would love input on literally anything I've been interested it, but I'm not getting a lot. What do YOU think of Rico then.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:56 am
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:04 am I got unexpected trouble on weekend, but now I am fully able to play. I will analyze every post, every player and every vote that has been cast. You can expect results later today
1) I assume this was before ruri's role flipped
2) I assume role flipping late is so that people can inherit or not inherit roles after they kill someone
3) Violet is only other low poster (nobody was breaking 150) and he said he'd be more active

wouldn't u drop the role to look towny, daisy?

That is fair actually.

But it still wouldn't be a mafia role to begin with. So

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:58 am
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:56 am
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:04 am I got unexpected trouble on weekend, but now I am fully able to play. I will analyze every post, every player and every vote that has been cast. You can expect results later today
1) I assume this was before ruri's role flipped
2) I assume role flipping late is so that people can inherit or not inherit roles after they kill someone
3) Violet is only other low poster (nobody was breaking 150) and he said he'd be more active

wouldn't u drop the role to look towny, daisy?
This is why I'm saying if Dizzy is bad, Violet must be their partner.

We're literally lovered lol. Of course, you could "belieeeeeve" that we faked that or whatever, but it literally just makes us more of a target. Because if you suspect any of us to some degree, any of us would be an ok vote target.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:22 pmFurther musing: still no clarity offered (even though I asked – #897) on why they chose Ruri over Violet. Both were compatible for the spankkill on D1, so at most Dizzy could have even gambled with a 50% chance kill on either. Bit concerning that answer was only some meta nostalgia for playing with Violet (and shade thrown back at me re: the Rico/Violet pairing).

The spankviglol vig role is probably the least alignment-solvable of those to evaluate. Both town or mafia could have this type of (very) conditional extra shot / game removal.

I think I was very clear why I chose Ruri over Violet. It is because I know Ruri to be a low poster who is prone to being a mischop if they are town. That is my experience with them. My experience with Violet is the exact opposite; that they are very actively involved. I have not played with Violet since that champs game some years ago, so yes, that also factored in. If you asked my gut at the time, I would probably say Violet had a slight more chance of flipping mafia than Ruri tbh, but that's moot. Ruri also had a wagon on D1. So that is why I chose Ruri. Is that clear now?

I also completely disagree that my role is the least alignment-solvable. Most big games on syndicate have players posting more than 150 posts. This game is literally the only Anniversary game where everyone apparently decided to low post. They could not know that when they made the game. Actually, there was a 100 post post count thing on D1, which kind of changes things, so whoops. But cool. I've said my piece on that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:15 pm TripleHaven ( 4 ): Dolby, Spacedaisy, lucy, Dyslexicon
lucy ( 3 ): TripleHaven, MartinGG99, Epignosis
Dolby ( 1 ): Jackofhearts2005
Moonwink ( 1 ): Ricochet
Ricochet ( 1 ): Boquise
TonyStarkPrime ( 1 ): Moonwink
not voting ( 3 ): Ruri, Tonystarkprime, violet

[Host note: vc has been corrected]

Anyway.

I think Epig/Lucy is not w/w.
Epig/Daisy is not w/w because of how Daisy reacted to the shot.

I'm starting to think maybe not Violet/Lucy, since Lucy is pushing me now, which would make Violet die as well. So that seems less likely.

I do think Daisy is town. I asked everyone if they thought TSP actually investigated Daisy. My conclusion was that he didn't. Nobody cared about that, so I think I'm just going to belieeeeeeve that TSP's action failed like he said.

Epig is all over the place with his votes and pushes. Recently on me. He might be mafia. That would almost be a boring solution.

Maybe it is just Rico and Violet like I thought.

I could see Violet targeting me if either they thought I still had my vig role, or that it was likely Violet would be chopped today and not so likely I would. Would be hilarious if I am chopped if Violet is mafia lol

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:03 am First time playing with Dolby as well. Seems to boast and then confirm lowpost approach. Is lowposting standard from him?

Maybe I'll just go with this.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:34 pm Friend coming over. Be back around 1-2 hours till EOD.

If I could project Violet's role as town, that would leave just lucy and Dizzy, with a heavy maybe on Daisy as wolf sheep. Project to vote one of them two.

You should probably vote me.

Honestly, I'm not very invested. I support any chop that is not Daisy probably.

Town would probably need to come together. I've tried to show the simplest way I know how people can find me town.

The vote jumping and little confidence and kind of hopeless disposition that Rico are town tells for me. Maybe someone knows this, maybe not. Maybe you can just belieeeeve whatever you want.

Chopping me is fine because Violet will go down as well, so there's still a chance he's mafia, and he's doing nothing, so

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:59 pm Flavor deez nuts lol

In the night! @Boquise has died, and flips TOWN. Flip will be updated with role in about 24 hours. Boq's role was discarded, and flips:

**The Champ**

You’re a champ. Not just a champ, THE champ. As such, you are possessed of an incredible oracular ability, and are naturally gifted in the art of persuasion. You’re literally sloonei, in other words. As such, your posts may only be copy/pasted from sloonei's iso in this game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship . Fun! Failure to do so will result in shame (and other nebulous, unspecified consequences). Adhering to this restriction will result in being rewarded handsomely. You may change any player names as you wish, and you may use incomplete copy/pastes but you cannot stitch quotes or posts together to create new ones.

Addendum one: the d2 restriction is sloonei's iso from this game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/27808

Addendum two: when the restriction is followed, this reward is unlocked:
Your reward is:

Tonight, you can choose to block all factional actions. Unfortunately, doing so will sacrifice your life.

D3 will end at 6pm, November 20.

No event and no postcap today.

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@ Dyslexicon
@ Epignosis
@ lucy
@ Ricochet
@ Spacedaisy
@ Violet

Hey, people.

Read Boq's role. Boq sacrificed himself.

@lucy Your "why did they kill Boq" arguments doesn't work anymore. To your information.

Also lol, Daisy was right that Boq had a posting restriction.

I think I decided that it’s still Violet/Rico, like I thought before. So this is fine

I actually forgot I had multiple possible shots. I just thought of myself as normal vig. Probably wouldn’t have done two anyway, cause that is a lot to potentially lose in worst case scenario. But yeah, I actually just forgot I could do multiple targets.

Also, my role being able to potentially kill multiple targets makes it even more obvious that it is not a mafia role. If you or others don’t get that or won’t accept that, I cannot help you.

My understanding is that me and Violet both die if any of us are chopped, as we are still lovered.

Also, the feeling about Violet was just a baseless feeling. Neither Ruri nor Violet had done enough on D1 to read them. I probably had that feeling of “probably Violet and I’ll shoot wrong” just from a pessimistic mind frame, and would perhaps feel the opposite if I had chose Violet.

Yeah, me and Violet die together

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:17 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:09 pm I actually forgot I had multiple possible shots. I just thought of myself as normal vig. Probably wouldn’t have done two anyway, cause that is a lot to potentially lose in worst case scenario. But yeah, I actually just forgot I could do multiple targets.

Also, my role being able to potentially kill multiple targets makes it even more obvious that it is not a mafia role. If you or others don’t get that or won’t accept that, I cannot help you.

My understanding is that me and Violet both die if any of us are chopped, as we are still lovered.
Violet did not concurs with your understanding in #977.

Balance-wise, extra shots from mafia (with high conditional factors - as you said, no D1 high-poster targetting, totally up to chance whether low- and high-thresholds even occur or occur for multiple players) is not unthinkable in light of several confirmed vig shots. The game has a clear shoot-out bonanza edge. That it is D3 and we are sadly at MYLO phase is an outcome - but another could have been that we could have already dealt lethal to mafia, just as well. Maybe mafia received something in balance for that.

Ok.

Maybe hosts designed a game where mafia got a multiple shot vig. I got that role, decided to both claim it and discard it. Likely story.

Very cool.

I’ve also done nothing other than trying to solve this game. I’m not going to debate you or anyone else on this. I’m clearly not being listened to anyway, despite what in my mind is obvious.

Trying to get out of my role being an obvious town role that I handled in an obvious town way by saying it’s not “unthinkable” is daft.

I’ve argued the point clearly enough. So that’s the simple way to understand I’m town, if you can’t do in the other way. If anyone have questions not about that, let me know.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:39 pm Fourth point: you claimed the Ruri kill well into Day 2. You left it up in the air for about a third or quarter of the phase.

As is custom to do. What is wrong with that?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:38 pm Forgot a third point I was gonna make, but it came back now: your slankvig shot is the only night-only vig shot that you ask of us to interpret assuredly as town. As in, mafia arguably only nightkills, all confirmed town vigs did it during the Day, yet yours is night-bound, but also confirmable town. How?

I don't act as if I'm not listening, if that's what your feeling, so try not to take it that way.

Roles factor in, for sure. If I were to go the exoneration path entirely and clear you and Violet, I would be left with only two viable candidates. lucy and Daisy. Can we work on that?

Roles factor aside, I cannot clear you for your gameplay. Emotional-tinged as claiming "you tried to solve the game" may be, I don't see clearance in that since both Days you wagoned lynches with no belief in being mafia.

Mafia wouldn’t get a multiple shot vig, no matter how conditional. And if they actually did, they wouldn’t let it go. That’s the end of my argument. It being not totally unthinkable to plural you is not something that makes me a good vote. Forget about confirming. Is it likely. Beyond that, I’m still not mafia. If people still want to vote me, that is their prerogative, and they can argue for how it was like totally a rational choice with the information on hand after the game.

I’m not exonerating Violet based on role. In my game, game 3, mafia had exactly a loverizer role. (Although in that game roles and alignments were random).

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:45 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:42 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:39 pm Fourth point: you claimed the Ruri kill well into Day 2. You left it up in the air for about a third or quarter of the phase.
As is custom to do. What is wrong with that?
Casts some perception of hesitation or late coming-truthful-with-it. Why not claim it beginning of phase?

Because sometimes mafia slip that they have information they shouldn’t have. It’s almost always beneficial to claim info well into the day. If you go back, you can see I asked about Moon’s assumptions about the Ruri shot before I revealed it. Lucy also said something about three town kills. Which was suss honestly. So yeah, I’m looking to see how people react when only I have the info first. There was also no need to say it early. The only important thing to me was that I didn’t die without revealing the info.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:56 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:13 pm Yeah, me and Violet die together
What are your feelings about violets alignment and I need to understand what that means for the numbers but I'm also under a deadline for a file and my brain can't process much today.

Given Triplehaven's role, I am kind of wondering about the likelihood of the role violet has claimed being town when we know there was already one neighborizor or whatever the fuck we call them that we absolutely know was town. I need to read back over their role.

Violet has done nothing townie and almost nothing at all as far as I’m concerned. Voting him out could go both ways.

I mean, I should probably go reread, but I’m on phone and not really feeling motivated to. Sorry

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:58 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:52 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:38 pm Forgot a third point I was gonna make, but it came back now: your slankvig shot is the only night-only vig shot that you ask of us to interpret assuredly as town. As in, mafia arguably only nightkills, all confirmed town vigs did it during the Day, yet yours is night-bound, but also confirmable town. How?

I don't act as if I'm not listening, if that's what your feeling, so try not to take it that way.

Roles factor in, for sure. If I were to go the exoneration path entirely and clear you and Violet, I would be left with only two viable candidates. lucy and Daisy. Can we work on that?

Roles factor aside, I cannot clear you for your gameplay. Emotional-tinged as claiming "you tried to solve the game" may be, I don't see clearance in that since both Days you wagoned lynches with no belief in being mafia.
Mafia wouldn’t get a multiple shot vig, no matter how conditional. And if they actually did, they wouldn’t let it go. That’s the end of my argument. It being not totally unthinkable to plural you is not something that makes me a good vote. Forget about confirming. Is it likely. Beyond that, I’m still not mafia. If people still want to vote me, that is their prerogative, and they can argue for how it was like totally a rational choice with the information on hand after the game.

I’m not exonerating Violet based on role. In my game, game 3, mafia had exactly a loverizer role. (Although in that game roles and alignments were random).
I addressed the end of your argument. This role, as mafia, could have been dropped in light of witnessing that under-5 and over-150 post count are extremely unlikely to occur in this game.

"I'm not exonerating Violet based on role"

So, if Violet is mafia loverizer, and Violet's description of the role is genuine, Violet would explode upon mafia killing them. Aka their teammates.

Make that make sense. Make the role make sense as mafia role, as per how Violet described it.

You are also not addressing that VIolet does not confirm your loverizer take. (#977)

Do we have Violet’s role description confirmed?
It seems like you’re taking his word, which is interesting

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:59 pm Epi, I concur that Rico looks very much like mafia Golden in Game 1 right now.
That was said towards Dizzy.

I’m cool like Golden

Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:15 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:53 am
Violet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:29 am
Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.
Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.

Town, wolf, indy ability, though?
This reply does raise concern as it is quite clear the ability is related to the "staff" ie. the wolves in this game. Town has AtE as their theme, so if ou had a town role, you'd know the power belongs to wolves.

As wolves you would also know the power belongs to wolves though. However, as a wolf you could miss that town could easily figure out to who this ability belongs as you don't actually have to do any of the figuring out.

Wait. This is not w/w

Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

@Ricochet Is this the post you are referring to?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:09 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:05 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:59 pm Epi, I concur that Rico looks very much like mafia Golden in Game 1 right now.
That was said towards Dizzy.
Well, it is you who has major mafia Golden vibes going on imo.
How do you define those vibes? And why project a different game's different player's moveset onto here?

You didn’t have a problem with that when it was to me lol

@Violet If you are town and don’t vote in what is surely Lylo, I’ll be very disappointed.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
@Ricochet Is this the post you are referring to?
Yes.

And you can’t see how that possibly can be a mafia role?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm
Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.
@Ricochet Is this the post you are referring to?
Yes.
And you can’t see how that possibly can be a mafia role?
If Violet did not lie about the role description, then... no?

First of all, Violet could just lie if mafia, no?

Also, second of all, the role could just work in the same way as Violet describes, just by taking down town with him instead of taking down mafia with him, no?

You are showing your TMI.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pm I'm tempted to shake shit up and vote lucy right now.

I really don't feel like what I'm seeing from Dizzy is a wolf look.

I think it's better to leave it on Rico. I'm pretty sure he just TMIed Violet town as he also TMIed TSP town.

He's taking Violet's claim as truth, even though it's just Violet's words and not a flipped role. He's also taking how Violet says to use the role for granted. He's not considering that the role claim might be true, but the intent for targeting and the use of the role might be different. I think he just knows Violet is town and can't understand how the role could be used from mafia.

I also think he TMIed TSP town real hard.

So I think it's either Rico/Epig or Rico/Lucy. Don't know which. And this is probably too little too late.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.

Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?

It entails us dying together. That is all it means.

@Epignosis @lucy

Whoever of you is town. Please listen up.

If Violet does not show up, ALL of town have to vote together this day phase. Please get caught up.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 pm @Epignosis @lucy

Whoever of you is town. Please listen up.

If Violet does not show up, ALL of town have to vote together this day phase. Please get caught up.

Also, look at Rico's posts. I think he's TMIing Violet town, and I think he had TMI on TSP.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:45 pm Going through Dolby's ISO.
It's probably a lot of "looks slightly good for this person" or "looks not good for this person". But that's all meh, and could easily be wrong. But I do have the thoughts and maybe I'll say something about that later.

One thing that sticks out to me is how serious and relatively much space Dolby used to talk and ask about me and Rico's fake kill. It looks to me like he really wanted to give the impression that he bought it and believed it. I think it fits Dolby's player style and make sure to show that like this in the specific case that he is mafia with Rico and already know that it is fake.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pm hey Dizzy

1. has that kill gone through yet ?
2. when is the deadline for it?
3. is ricochet still around?

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:33 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 pm hey Dizzy

1. has that kill gone through yet ?
2. when is the deadline for it?
3. is ricochet still around?
Do you have suggestions? He'll be around
still in catchup mode. don't really have suggestions for who rather as much as who not but we do match to an extent anyway. would argue towards one of the three wagons just on a basis of them having votes, though i don't see any of the three as having mutual exclusivity towards each other

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:36 pm i want to create some game theory tables but i don't know how long mapping would take or what considerations i should have in a dual control kill setup

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:07 pm tbh it's hard for me to break out of the two yeet mentality that i set within myself 30 minutes ago
Couple this with Dolby being critical about Rico's posts, but never pushing there.
Rico's mention of Dolby also doesn't hit me right in the gut. Especially early on when he says Dolby is "boasting" and asks if low-posting is normal for him. Characterising others as "boasting" is kind of a negative jab that usually you are less willing to throw around if you don't know another player and you don't know their alignment, while that kind of talk is more normal among mafia teammates in my experience.

And I just have a bad gut feeling about Rico. That's all.

For my own sanity, although it should be obvious, this may all be wrong. But that's where my head is right now.

I probably have other thoughts, but I'll wait.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

This is still valid.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show
As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

Plus this post lol

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm But I haven't gone back and tried to fully wrap my brain around the role yet.

Dizzy when you were loverized with Violet were you told what that would entail or is all of this based off what violet claimed?
It entails us dying together. That is all it means.
I'm not asking for an explanation, I'm asking how did you find out you would die with violet and vice versa?

We got a chat where it says we're loverized until end of this day. Information given by the host.

"It is incorrect to assume I towncleared TSP with back knowledge. I argued against the extreme case of TSP bussing Dolby that savage for a full game. My argument was disputed by several and not followed."

Well, you were the only one who saw it that way.

@lucy If you're the town, please stop being silly. That would be cool.

Might be too little too late. And I'm not sure Epig is up to change his mind. I don't really understand what his problem was with me to begin with, but I'm here until EoD to talk or answer shit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:31 pm I'm still working, but I know the vote ends soon and I don't want to be rushed (also have to call mom for her birthday).

Ok. Pretty sure we lose if you are town and keep your vote. But that is also ok.

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