The Syndicate

In the conversation between Golden and Zebra, I think Golden is explaining himself pretty well. His point about his Sloonei read is not hard to follow to me at all, and I don't get why it's so hard for Zebra. She really does seem stuck here.

Another point that I want to make about Golden is that I totally follow his Frog suspicion and how he describes it, cause it alligns very much with my own thoughts I had on Frog. Also here I disagree/don't understand Zebra.

MM is making me more suspicious kind of lighting fire under something that looks more town vs town to me than not. Taking Zebra's "scum slip" is total bullshit.

Dafug happened to that spoiler?

Anyway, this was to Zebra.
You have got to step back and look at what people actually are saying and not describe implications that aren't there. You did this two specifc times and I've been calling you out on it. Then you call me a liar. No.

I'll repeat:
Golden did NOT say you were going to be a mislynch this game, he said he'd rather mislynch you than have himself mislynched.

Ika did NOT scum claim, he said IF he was scum, he would have killed Silver.

This is only to clarify.

MovingPictures07 wrote:*brain explodes*

Yeah, I can do it, but it likely won't be until after D2 has begun. I'm not sure my brain can handle any more ISOs. That Wilgy one broke me.

Paranoid time: How you know you'd be alive D2? o.o

a2thezebra wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:would be a good lynch in any case imo, but mostly cause I believe she is scum.

Rude, lol.

This is the towniest post I've read of you lol.
No.

Case Golden: He said "I'd sooner mislynch you than myself" - He did not say "you are a mislynch this game" like your post implied.

Case Ika: Ika did not claim scum, he said "If I was scum...", key word being if.

This is just to demonstrate some of the issues I have with your posts. It's like you're taking one piece of something and making it into something it's not.

a2thezebra wrote:See, you wonder why I suspect you when you misrepresent me to this degree, and lie to my face about what I myself said as well as what others said.

Then you have the nerve to say that maybe it's just playstyle. What's just playstyle exactly? Playing the game?

Dafuq. Read above.
I'm pointing out how you have been misrepresenting people.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Scum-diddly-um-slip (by Golden not you).

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This is such bullshit. Regardless of Golden's alignment.

Almost caught up, but not entirely. But I'm tired of reading, and need to get thoughts out. My reads have flipped quite a bit.

First,
Thoughts on Ika

Ika seems sure that IAWY will flip scum to the absurd. I believe it is entirely possible for Ika to be bussing IAWY here.

ika wrote:whata bout it? if MP is scum voting scum its win-win

^About MP voting IAWY. Assuming IAWY is scum.

ika wrote:hes lurking and sevral who know him say thats scum MO?

Who here has said that? I don't recall this.

ika wrote:so the bet is this, if hes scum i get your vote, if hes town you have my vote

deal?

(yes im being like this intentionally, i want to see more from you as well)

ika wrote:i consider hers 10 times more right now cus she is a confirmed town flip. not only that but she was killed. porbally for her reads.

Lol, you never ever doubted that she was town, so this seems disingenuous.


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Sig is soft defending IAWY quite a bit.

sig wrote:I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.

^One example.

However, there are some good things about Sig too. I like how he defends Frog. He doesn't quite fit the scum team picture I'm starting to get, but still unsure.

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Golden has me pretty convinced he is town. Zebra is likely town too (?), but she irks me lol (all within the game of course^^)

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I'm very interested to see IAWY flip and think it would clear up a lot. None of his posts has impressed me today.

VOTE INAWORDYES

For now.

a2thezebra wrote:Is this still happening?

Maybe. I'm catching up (it's a lot that was only skimmed or skipped). Finding other stuff I want to bring up too. Let it be a surprise. \o/

a2thezebra wrote:Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Like, he didn't say that. Just like Ika didn't claim scum when he said that if he was scum he'd kill Silver. This may just be your playstyle, but it is seriously making me go squinty squinty squint

Golden wrote:MovingPictures

Yeah, that is pretty much what I was thinking.

Zexy seems pretty sane though.

But I don't trust him. Gets some townish reads on him and disappears. Nurrrrrr.

Who is going to keep me sane this game?

Golden wrote:Go after me hard and lynch me today and you will be looking real bad tomorrow.

And what do you think of her alignment?

Golden wrote:Recruitment Mafia was a game, in which I was not bad but Epi was convinced I was bad, so my by conduct in the thread I tried to induce the mafia to NK epi to frame me, just so I'd have him out of my hair. They did kill him. They also successfully framed me lol, I never really escaped from the suspicion for it.

Let's just say... you couldn't pick two more perfect people to choose to frame me then the two who died. But, otherwise, I don't see great reasons for choosing the pair of them.

That is an entirely different situation, and I fail to see how the kills would be designed to frame you here. The sign up thread is irrelevant imo. And considering the fact that both Silver and Epig seems to be considered a popular N1 kill target on this side anyway, it just makes it even less likely. Plus, you are assuming Epig was in fact a mafia kill, which I see no reason for you to assume unless you know. All this makes me more suspicious of you, not less.

Personally, who made what NK is so much WIFOM to me that I rarely bother over analysing it, especially in a team of four scum. The Silver NK seems natural to me as a scum kill, so likely the regular kill (and the fact that it was mentioned first), and the Epig one I know nothing about.

Golden wrote:VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I'm smacking zebra on the head with the red shell.

Yay! \o/

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

Golden wrote:No, it wouldn't require someone to bring it up.

My Recruitment effort to get Epi NKed on night one when I wasn't mafia is well known.

Recruitment effort when you weren't mafia?
How would anyone frame you like this without bringing it up?

I'm not braining this. I need coffee.

a2thezebra wrote:Plus I already did during my initial responses to you so I would just be repeating myself.

Alright, I'll just do you then. Going to catch up on everything first.

Golden wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, the epi kill was a frame of me there, although in that case I deliberately induced it.

I think this is a deliberate call back from someone who knows all about it.

From sign up thread:

For it to be a frame using this, wouldn't that require someone to bring it up?
I think this is such a stretch I can't even.

Buuut, I should catch up on the thread and actually read stuff.

a2thezebra wrote:There's only so much misrepresentation I can take before it starts to feel like a deliberate effort to make me an even easier mislynch than I already am.

Show me where I misrepresented you, and I will show you where you misrepresented me. It will be fun.

Golden wrote:OK, hunch time.

I'll elaborate on this more later, but I'm about to go into a whole lot of meetings.

Silverwolf and Epi kills were undertaken to frame me. Particularly the Epi kill, see sign up thread for why. The question is, who would know me well enough to make such choices?

That seems exceptionally paranoid imo. Background?

a2thezebra wrote:This is amusing, being tempted to join two of my suspicions to lynch my third suspicion.

How well do you know MM? Care to comment on the conversation I had with him at EOD where he either town slipped or fake town slipped?

What is your suspicion on me based off of? That I wanted you dead D1? You think I was kitten you with my suspicion?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:VOTE GOLDEN

Let's do this!

a2thezebra wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Zebra, let's join forces on Golden, because I love you.

VOTE GOLDEN

I love you too, but I'm not ready to vote Golden given that as we converse here and now he's not even aware that I suspect him yet. I want to see his response to my suspicion (in addition to MM's and I guess yours) first, and if it doesn't sway me then I'll join you on that vote.

a2thezebra wrote:So are you confessing or are you saying that you were framed?

Zebra, let's join forces on Golden, because I love you.

VOTE GOLDEN

ika wrote:I'm on break but anyone who thinks I wouldn't kill silver n1 is being redoicolus.

I was so smugly going to call you out for your contradiction until I realized this said "wouldn't". >_>

IAWY, The wagon on Zebra didn't happen after she self voted, it happened before. And then she self-voted and the votes went elsewhere (many to you). Someone that isn't lazy can do a pretty chart or something.

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Would like thoughts on this conversation:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Frog wrote:meh, I don't really care tbh. at least one town is voting me. L2P scrubs.

GLGL - hopefully you'll vote marshmellow tomorrow

Even if all the scum was voting for you, there'd still be two civs on you right now. :P

Does MM do fake town slips as scum?

This isn't a townslip regardless of my alignment.

Isn't there 4 scum?

Oh, I thought there were 3.

Please help me tonight.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If there is a Syndicate regular or two on the mafia, then absolutely I would agree.

Epignosis was wrong about Frog, but he's very good about that sort of approach when he's a civilian. Thus, he' a very common nightkill target around here.

Well then, in that case.
Also, the rainbow list that placed Epi as second towniest, was that yours? I remember seeing it and not understanding why Epi was so high on the list considering he/LC had done close no nothing at that point. I realize this will be hindsight now, but why the towny read of him? (If it was yours, honestly don't remember..)

MovingPictures07 wrote:I presume this means we're playing with a 1-Shot Mafia Vigilante.

Do you think Epi would be a likely extra kill for mafia N1 if they have a 1-shot? I'm making no assumptions based on these NKs other than there is an least an extra killing role in place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I want to hear more from PSI and IAWY.

Also would like more from Soneji and Wilgy.

Not quite caught up with all the details of EOD. Too much cray. I'll be around more later today.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seems no one else is here. Bummer.

Hi.

The votes should be in thread though? This poll is giving me a heart attack and a head ache.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Frog wrote:meh, I don't really care tbh. at least one town is voting me. L2P scrubs.

GLGL - hopefully you'll vote marshmellow tomorrow

Even if all the scum was voting for you, there'd still be two civs on you right now. :P

Does MM do fake town slips as scum?

This isn't a townslip regardless of my alignment.

Isn't there 4 scum?

Dr. Wilgy just moved his vote without saying in thread?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Frog wrote:meh, I don't really care tbh. at least one town is voting me. L2P scrubs.

GLGL - hopefully you'll vote marshmellow tomorrow

Even if all the scum was voting for you, there'd still be two civs on you right now. :P

Does MM do fake town slips as scum?

I'm ok with the Frog lynch actually. If scum yay. If town, better than a lurker lynch imo.

ika wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I've lost so much sleep due to mafia over the years. Reading up on this if I'm alive D2 will be a pain. I must be a masochist.

you could ask the scums to kill you very nicely?

who knows maybe they will do it

That would help the work that is piling up here.

I've lost so much sleep due to mafia over the years. Reading up on this if I'm alive D2 will be a pain. I must be a masochist.

ika wrote:delex the reason is due to experince, i have been playing for 4 years and just about every times (maybe like a handfull of games out of the 1000s of games i have played) have the scums always been acitve, there is about 90% scums in lurk so im doing this based on experince

I've played for a long time too. And I see this as basically being a random lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't want your vote if he flips town though.

Marco wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

ika wrote:if your willing to take a bet i might answer

I don't care about your bet. Sure. Yes. No. Fine, whatever, tell me. How sure are you based on what?

It's just his read. He can't actually have concrete knowledge.

He can't?

ika wrote:so the bet is this, if hes scum i get your vote, if hes town you have my vote

deal?

(yes im being like this intentionally, i want to see more from you as well)

Deal.

Golden wrote:But I won't be voting zebra today.

I know. =)

ika wrote:if your willing to take a bet i might answer

I don't care about your bet. Sure. Yes. No. Fine, whatever, tell me. How sure are you based on what?

Golden wrote:If I was to do some kind of tinfoil CFD vote, it would probably be Frog.

His trying to constantly reduce things to mechanical rules about what scum would do are not only obviously fallacious (because the moment rules develop around 'what scum would do', scum deliberately act counter to that) but also feel like someone making a play for town leader.

I see Frog's content almost as deliberate wifom - on one hand I can read it as trying to avoid being the NK target. On the other as trying to avoid being the lynch target. The one thing I have difficulty seeing it as is absolutely straight. He started off feeling quite straightforward to me, but he's wobbled his way off the road.

Agree with this. He has taked quite a leap. And the "this is the rule" is just so meh.

ika wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Look at how passionate people are in the for and against camps, you included. Are you really saying we are getting nothing?

I'm talking about his content now. I haven't read all the posts surrounding MM and IAWY even. I don't particularly feel MM is scum and there's no way of knowing IAWY's alignment. Also, I fear that if IAWY flips town then there's a lot of town on his wagon, and scum can easily defend it and throw suspicion on town later. It's just a much higher risk to me lynching someone who has barely talked.

disagree 100%

are you willingt o take a bet on the flip then?

Wtf with this bet thing? Are you so sure IAWY is going to flip scum?

Golden wrote:I don't understand 'sheep'.

Following the vote of.

Do you think Zebra is town, Golden?

Golden wrote:Look at how passionate people are in the for and against camps, you included. Are you really saying we are getting nothing?

I'm talking about his content now. I haven't read all the posts surrounding MM and IAWY even. I don't particularly feel MM is scum and there's no way of knowing IAWY's alignment. Also, I fear that if IAWY flips town then there's a lot of town on his wagon, and scum can easily defend it and throw suspicion on town later. It's just a much higher risk to me lynching someone who has barely talked.

Frog, If you believe MM to be scum then you should show this. Why are you not fighting to have that lynch harder then?

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also noticed in my pop ins that ika and Silverwolf have followed each other all over the board in votes. Is that a correct assessment?

They definitely followed each other on to me, and MP, and IAWY.

Ika kind of openly admitted to sheep Silver though, no?

Sloonei wrote:What if I told you that this sort of thing is not atypical of zebra? I do not disagree that she is a reasonable suspect, and my vote for her earlier wasn't entirely baseless, but what you just described is something that I can believably see zebra doing as a townie. I've played many games with that zebra and the aggressive behavior you are describing is not atypical.

I can get behind the theory that she is trying to present an image as a "sacrificial town", but I do not think that has to be the case when reading her.

Alright, noted. But do you think she could do it as scum as well?
I'm mostly freaked out why I'm the only one suspecting this, and everyone else is like "let's lynch a random lurker or something lol".

PSI, you asked me to play this game. I'm having many sads about you not showing up.

Honestly I'm just looking forward to people dying. Too many players to keep track of.