The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pmOr Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.

I'll pass on the last two. Drag is like ...ok, we could lynch him, but will gain not much regardless of flip. Especially if he's town.

Or sprit? Idfk

Could we lynch Sabie?

This game is a lot of
Some people: We need to vote X for meta reasons.
Some people: We need to not vote X for meta reasons.

And I'm like: ......

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:48 pmLike I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

I know. But I'm so easy to read lol

I don't know why. I just want to see people flip.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:47 pmYeah he knows that

I know

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:38 pmCause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Radish: I like how you think.
Me: I wish I knew what I was even thinking..

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

All I know is that Jack has a very narrow focus this game. I remember, years ago probably, playing a multiball game with him when we were on opposite teams. We tunneled each other that game. So I don't think him going hard for Nut D1 is evidence of him being town, like he said (because he was prefer to be more under the radar as scum).

Thinking about it, I've never played with Jack without him giving a read on me. I don't think he has this game. I don't know why.

Sorry, probably not helpful. It still feels like D1 for me. No real leads.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:53 pm [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not feeling the Jack or G-man wagons.

Will check in later.

Ok. So I don't know Turnip super well. But the last time I saw him as town he also wrote one sentence posts with unexplained reads and that shit. I actually feel like Turnip has been trying to solve and I see a lot of where he's coming from.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads.

Me too.

@Dizzy, I actually feel quite about us, because I think we'd make a kickass towncore. I see and like the way you think the game. Too bad about the whole you-think-I'm-bad thing.

This hit me right in the feels, also because I kind of think the same thing. What if we just did that for a change? Dom and G-Man could come. Also Tony, for silly reasons.

*"confident and comfortable voice"

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:48 pm yes tbh, right now he looks like a bumbling civ to me

I just had the strongest gut reaction of "This guy is scum" when he first started. It was so detached and at the same time over playing a confident and comfortable vote. I swear I've seen that many times with experienced players. That's just the main thing I'm going after. But even if he is scum, there's still 8 other good lynches.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] Have you lost interest in a Radish lynch though?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:34 pm somehow town needs to try to come together, form an understanding and cooperate. I generally don't think "Do your thing and I'll do mine" is a winning town mindset. We know scum will work together.

I thought we were and then you flipped on me, you're not even pressuring Jack meanwhile a lazy G-Man snowball rolls down the mountain getting fatter and fatter

We did. We do.

[VOTE: Jack
] aubergine
Ok.

There's so many flips I want to see. Preferably a scum one. Convince me of a case. I can probably be convinced of many votes. I convinced myself of Radish.

I like those takes from Speed. I also have liked Dom lately. And I also think we should not lynch G-Man.

Every time someone calls me "Dys" a little piece of my soul dies. =(

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] Ok. I don't know what to say to that. I've liked your other posts, mostly. /shrug.

Jimmay reminding me that we should probably just lynch Radish.
[VOTE:
Radish] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:30 pm3. I don't know why I need to acknowledge your vote or point against him. Do your thing.

This is because if one is town, finding other town and trying to come together is how one wins the game.

This game is full of individuals with 100 different opinions. Not a lot of coming together.

I mean, I don't think that's strange in this game in particular, since it is multiball and has such a high number of scum. But if the game is winnable for town later down the line, somehow town needs to try to come together, form an understanding and cooperate. I generally don't think "Do your thing and I'll do mine" is a winning town mindset. We know scum will work together.

This game is just super messy and I'm a bit frustrated by it. I want to see so many flips.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:30 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:27 pm Epi scum reading and pressuring Ted while at the same time completely ignoring my vote/point against him is such a mood tbh. I don't know what to do with that. Maybe I'm just that inconsequential lol

1. My vote is already on ted (for now)
2. I don't know what a "mood" is.
3. I don't know why I need to acknowledge your vote or point against him. Do your thing.

You're such a mood tbh

Epi scum reading and pressuring Ted while at the same time completely ignoring my vote/point against him is such a mood tbh. I don't know what to do with that. Maybe I'm just that inconsequential lol

Can we stop the G-Man quirk conversation. It goes nowhere. Why are people voting him? "Low content"?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:54 pm I mean, there isn't really any question coming from Dys towards me, so how do you expect me to engage that? It's just a tinfoil that I don't care about. Should I?

Here's a question. Do you see my gripe with it?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:55 pm I usually don't pay attention to things that can be refuted upon my flip

What good will that do if you flip town?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:54 pm I mean, there isn't really any question coming from Dys towards me, so how do you expect me to engage that? It's just a tinfoil that I don't care about. Should I?

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

Yes

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:53 pmDizzy I see your point. My first assumption would be that he just wasn't remembering that we have two mafia teams but maybe that thought is naive. I would like to see ted's response to your point. (I can't get the mention thing to work for some reason).

Not remembering? I can't make my brain function because the thread is flowing with scum and it's impossible to see anything in this mess that is this huge multiball. How can you not remember?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:52 pm What makes you think Dys has experience with me?

Well, there was this one time at band camp

[mention]S~V~S [/mention] I don't know Ted at all. Thanks for the response.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pmlinki @Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

That is not the point. I'll explain:
Ted says the Mac spewed himself as not a member of the silencing-team, ergo ONE of the mafia teams.
He then concludes this spews Mac as not scum.
But that is not a conclusion you can draw. Even if Ted is right, that just means Mac is not on THAT mafia team. There's still another team. I wonder if this is a slip of mind that Ted is on the other team himself.

Does this make sense?

Ted is basically saying: "[This] proves that Mac is not on Team A which means he's not scum."
And I say:

I'm a bit wary of these slips, cause sometimes it's just bad wording. But still, it may be something.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pmlinki @Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

That is not the point. I'll explain:
Ted says the Mac spewed himself as not a member of the silencing-team, ergo ONE of the mafia teams.
He then concludes this spews Mac as not scum.
But that is not a conclusion you can draw. Even if Ted is right, that just means Mac is not on THAT mafia team. There's still another team. I wonder if this is a slip of mind that Ted is on the other team himself.

Does this make sense?

Jack has a very narrow focus, it seems. Also not much impact on the game. Possible scum.
Jimmay is still possible scum for me.
Speed could hang. Rip
I have no idea what's normal for Sprit, but I would not be surprised if he's scum.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:33 pm It's too early for me to have a read on S~V~S

I've caught scum pairs D1 before. I did it in my very last game for example. =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 amSecondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

[mention]S~V~S [/mention] [mention]Juliets [/mention]Thoughts? Too simple?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:28 pm If G-Man's not scum I will let Karen leave me and also take the kids willingly

He's not.

I know some people think it's dumb to do connection analysis, but it's pretty much the only thing I got now. I don't get anywhere if I just think about one player at the time, cause I can usually argue both sides then. I don't feel I have enough grasp on most people's meta.

So I'm just putting this out there in case it becomes useful for later.
- Turnip has only critical things to say about Radish. Yet he ends up on the Nut wagon on D1 with the insistence of "We should stay the course" on her. He's also said D2 that he could still vote Radish. But he isn't. Right now he wants to build a Jack-Wagon.
- Turnip has absolutely no interaction with SVS at all, apart from saying "Hi, it's an honor to be playing with you again." He also removed SVS from my maybe-town-list, but I have no idea why, since he has not mentioned SVS at all.
- I already spoke about the possible Radish/sabie-connection. Not sure on this.
- Not sure on SVS as well tbh.

For future reference if Radish or someone flips scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:18 pm Ok, I'm going to go deep gut now.

Team 1: Radish, Sabie, SVS, X
Team 2: Ted, Epi, X, X

Voodoo

Team 1: Radish, SVS, Turnip, Sabie?

Ok, I'm going to go deep gut now.

Team 1: Radish, Sabie, SVS, X
Team 2: Ted, Epi, X, X

Voodoo

Some notes:

- I feel Colin is more likely town than scum for his righteousness. "Lynch me and I'll laugh at you". Annoying attitude, but probably likelier town than scum.

- I don't feel like lynching Mac is a good idea. I don't know. I kind of buy his defense, and i also feel like how he's giving out reads and thoughts rapidly, but then at the same time warns against "you should probably not listen to these" is more town. It's town doubt that he doesn't want to be fully responsible for those reads. That's my feeling.

- I'm honestly getting cold feet on Radish, but that is just because it would suck so much if he's town here.

- I can't follow the convo between Juliets and Sloonei at all.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 amSecondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:21 am I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

I do like this though. Did you do it for reactions?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:52 pmWho are the coasters? What things could we look for in that crowd, and who are the most likely bad guys hiding out in there?

The people that pop into my mind as coasters would be Speed and Sprit for example. I'd even say Jack and Epi as well right now. And probably others. Drag and Tranq more lurkers.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:34 pmI make a deliberate effort to foster an open and communicative thread environment.

I'm not sure I like any other player on that wagon though. Rip.

You know what, I just want people to die. I just need answers. I'm still on Radish is scum-train, I pray to god I'm not wrong.

[VOTE: Radish] aubergine

There's literally 9 good lynches. Should be possible to find one. I don't know why it seems so hard, but this seems not much different from D1 unfortunately.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:51 pm I can't tell if you guys are summarizing the case or if you're calling me fake

Do you feel fake?

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:50 pmMac and I have a checkered past. We've gotten pretty heated before.
He is turning that on for no reason. What do you think it means?

I don't know. I've only seen him play town, and I think he was aggressively hunting, but pretty chill in face of suspicions. I don't really like it. Scum the lot of you tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm Yeah okay. Enjoy your Mac free paradise Dom. Typical shit.

What the fuck is this?

You know exactly what this is.

No seriously, what is this? Is angry!Mac a thing? Never seen it before.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:43 pm Guys I know it's pretty well documented, but can some radish hawks just summarize the suspicion in like... one sentence or so?

Fake, unconvincing.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:30 pm Tbh I’m getting heated by the notion that I didn’t read the thread when I spent a few hours doing so, so y’all can do whatever you want, I’ll check the thread later. Mislynch me and my ghost will make fun of you accordingly

Ok, I understand frustration. That is part of most mafia games. But this attitude is silly imo. If you are town, you are not entitled to people reading you right. We all have spent time on the game, spent time reading and all that. If you're town, your job is to find scum, not laugh because you got mislynched. I know you know this, but the attitude just irks me. Murp murp

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:28 pmwhatchu thinking about?

Possibly guilty mind?
You know what, I don't fucking know. I just want people to flip at this point. This is a mess and I'm arguing back and forth on about everyone. Unhelpful, but like.. yeah. Probably better chances at hitting scum in the coasters. Whoever that would be. Words.