The Syndicate

I'm going to vote

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

And hope this is just it. It's not really shrug though. Golden and PC have more going for them

And now I don't get cred for that either

Lol, you all took my joke before I could take it

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:10 pm I mean, I still don't see it as a town derp though. Because as mafia they would think about themselves as town anyway, no?
The thought that ‘lylo and ending the game are the same thing’ is inherently a difficult perspective slip to fake as wolf. He didn’t understand how my question was relevant.

Although I’m not giving you credit for doing the same thing because you came second.

I actually prefer to come second.

I mean, I still don't see it as a town derp though. Because as mafia they would think about themselves as town anyway, no?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:08 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:06 pm PC was the one who, a long time ago, brought up that their vest wouldn’t work at lylo.

Only it’s not lylo. It’s ‘if it would end the game’. Their wording is the same as mine.
this is not true and we've never agreed with your wording

us using lylo is deliberate

This makes me feel not so safe

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:06 pm PC was the one who, a long time ago, brought up that their vest wouldn’t work at lylo.

Only it’s not lylo. It’s ‘if it would end the game’. Their wording is the same as mine.

If they’re mafia (unless it’s 3v2, but I just don’t think it is), they will die.

Otherwise they invented something in their rolecard (that their vest doesn’t work at lylo) that I can independently prove exists within a town rolecard.

Which is a very odd thing to even think to invent if they are teammates with svs who has a vest without that condition.

Right. This makes me feels safe.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:03 pmYes it would.

And the fact you don’t instinctively get this is exactly why the PC thing you think isn’t a townderp IS a townderp.

Oh. Game ending constituting also game end for mafia.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:54 pm EoD is at 2 am for me just like for u Dizzy. Absolute torture to endgame as town

-t

It's actually 1 am for me, but yeah. Also, I have like a normal life with a normal job now, so it's more inconvenient than when I was a hippie freelancer

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:53 pm i quit for a year, it was pretty nice

now i'm here again

I'm thinking of only playing special events, like GoC and stuff

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:50 pm at any rate

are you staying up for EOD, dizzy?

Yeah. I can't sleep before a flip

Which is why I'm constantly trying to quit mafia.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:49 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:46 pm Problem is that none of those arguments are good if you're mafia.

Worst case, unless shenanigans, we would have another shot at this tomorrow.
i mean, if you're absolutely certain it's not 3v2 right now

That would be you and Golden we lose to, or Sloonei shenanigans, and I will just lose to that.

Problem is that none of those arguments are good if you're mafia.

But I'm thinking it's probably Porscha. Worst case, unless shenanigans, we would have another shot at this tomorrow. But I hope to god it will be over tonight.

I'm probably just spinning my wheels a bit just in case just in case

We lose to Sloonei being godfather or something weird happening with that investigation. Would suck hard, but I don't feel like there's anything to do about it if it's the case.

We lose to PC being mafia who needs two chops to die. Given the OP, this doesn't seem likely either.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:36 pm To be fair, I did also go through the thought process of 'chopping PCs vest would prove they are town, and give us an extra confirmed townie going into the following day' - I just got to the point of realising that it's pointless trading sloonei's confirmed townie status for yours.

And given I'm now very sure your vest won't work if you're wolf... I think the answer is we just chop who we think is bad, full stop.

@Sloonei what did you think of what I perceive as tutuu townderping.

Popping their vest wouldn't prove them as town though. I'm confused. If they lied and died, that would prove them lying mafia lol. But that's very unlikely that they lied, cause it only creates extra attention. It wasn't a fully formed thought form my side in the first place. If we had better night actions, it might've been worth something.

depression.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:26 pm There may or may not be mechanics that alter and/or restrict abilities at Fx.
[/spoiler]

But this and what Golden said kind of confirms it

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:16 am yea to put it in a more concise way @Dyslexicon

if we are at 3v2, its an unnecessary risk to chop me first (what if im town? and its actually 4v1) (talking from your pov, assuming ur town, as if im you right now)

if we are at 4v1, and chop me today, we would be using both of our remaining chops to kill me, where instead we can use both of those chops to kill me AND another person beforehand

if im the sole mafia remaining, and we chop a town today, that only loses for town and wins for hypotethical mafia me if i pull a random kill out of my ass tonight

but ... mafia has had no unexplained KP the entire game except the urist and kate day kills. there have been 0 extra NKs. for many many nights now. so i think its somewhat safe to assume last mafia wont pull a random extra NK out of ass

-t

The problem for me is that I have no confirmation for how your vest or thing actually works.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:08 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:01 am Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked
In theory going PC doesnt lose us the game but if we happened to be in lylo then it would

Golden can only protect against nk on his own neighbors if he has 2 neighbors which he does not

Yes your question in me is accurate, please refer to my post asking ender if received my email to which he confirms he did not, I also dont know that mac happened to mention recieving anything day 2 or not

I think sloonei is only wolf not from rondo lying but from unknown mechanics screwing up rondos check

Why do you think nobody has received anything?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:07 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:01 am Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked
im chop proof only before LyLo

meaning if u chop me now and its 4v1, u get no flip, and u chop me tomorrow again - cool, but thats 1 actual kill in 2 chops

whereas

we can chop anyone else today

and if we miss, u can chop me tomorrow and instantly kill me if im mafia. that's 2 kills for 2 chops

i havent thought about it much how this looks from an outside pov that doesnt have confirmation im town (like i do), but,

if u just roughly crunch some numbers based on gut, i feel like u should come to the conclusion that chopping me today might me the -EV, right? or whatevers the term. like statistically the worst chop (as it accomplishes nothing, unless u think im lying)

and if we are at 3v2 lylo and u think im mafia u can always chop my partner in Golden/Porscha from your pov @Dyslexicon

-t

I was thinking more in terms of 1) I think you might be the last wolf (actually, I've changed my mind a bit about that, and I'd rather follow than lead anyway) and 2) even if you aren't we don't lose (unless 3v2 but I think that's extremely unlikely, and if it is gg), but I thought if Golden is able to protect, we don't lose Sloonei, and if we do, Golden is probably mafia. Also Porscha may have another chance to prove her role. Although it's very strange that nothing has happened already. Except all of this doesn't really work, cause there could still be mechanics or things that are unexpected. I was just on break and thinking about it.

Thing is, we only have your word for your vest being gone in lylo. Although, if I'm not mistaken @Golden is sort of confirming that his role has a similar mechanic? So my worry was, if it's you, we may not be able to chop you if we don't do it today. This still may be true for Porscha though.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:05 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:03 am Every time I'm thinking about the game it goes from thinking everyone is town to everyone being possible mafia and back again. I really want to trust Golden. That's the read I'm banking on
Why not pc or sloonei?

Sloonei is confirmed town in my eyes, baring very unfortunate circumstances. Golden is my other town read that I feel sure on, as sure as I can be, is what I meant.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:57 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:07 am (I think the response of t!Porscha to the PC town clear is a dizzy vote not a golden tinfoil).
I am doing my due diligence here that's all this is

I'm obviously not using an agenda to push any specific player which at this point the wolf should be having to do a little more to cinch the ML and keep eyes off of them if they are subtle enough about it

So I'm sure you understand why I'm becoming a little more wary of you as you keep repeatedly posting about me and how I have to be the last wolf

I feel like you've been softly pushing towards me tbh. How would you rank your reads right now?

Either I'm confbiasing, or Porscha's posts today are way worse

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:08 amYou're just getting pocketed cuz you like seeing yourself in the dizzy mirror? Sigh

It's clearly not just that

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:16 amI feel like Porscha is the lost wolf. Her claim is so bad. She's an inventor that forgot to submit an action on 2 nights, and when she did successfully submit, her target received nothing. The main pack wolves had good claims (see SVS). Porscha probably didn't have access to main chat

-t

You're assuming lost wolf?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:15 am @Dyslexicon When you're awake and here, what are your best reasons to town read everybody?

Golden - His claim checks out with what he has said in thread. Especially the part about baiting Alison is clearing to me. He seems extremely town on play. Him moving off of SVS and asking others to join doesn't seem like something Golden would do as wolf (based on my, admittedly limited experience). He's been defending me also before I could prove my role, which I don't think he would need to as mafia. If Golden is mafia, I've never been buddied more in my life.

PC - Seems town on play for the most part. Although I didn't like their D5 at all. But flipped mafia seemed confused about the slot and treated it as 3p. Seems like a strange line to take if you know the slot is mafia. This is probably the best reason I have. Does seem very solvy.

Porscha - Seems to be more active and solvy than what I remember her having been as mafia before. I don't think joining the death event is clearing though, because nobody knew how many was going to die. It's mostly just meta reading that has lead me to believe Porscha is town. But I'm coming around to thinking it's probably just her. Or I'm surrendering to it. It's probably not a good idea to solve on the assumption of a lost wolf.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:04 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:04 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:00 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:58 am yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t
Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?
lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t
This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.
I don't get it tbh

I mean, I do get it, but it's not impossible to write that as mafia imo

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:04 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:00 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:58 am yeah sloonei in case u missed it

our "vest" extends to not just normal death, but to getting chopped once lol (we claimed it pretty early, day 2 i think, maybe day 3) (it falls off in lylo)

-t
Mine doesn't extend to getting chopped.

And I want you to double check. Is it lylo, or just if it ends the game?
lylo and ends the game is interchangable when it comes to getting chopped during the day

during the night, our vest should still work even if us getting shot would otherwise end the game. it doesnt make sense not to, thats how bp vests always work, and ours is standard in that regard. ours isnt a redirect like yours, ours is pretty simple. its just the first time we die, we dont (and it extends to chop) (but not lylo)

-t
This is a townderp.

If it’s 4v1, it’s not lylo but chopping the wolf still ends the game.

I think PC would be viscerally aware of this if wolf.

I don't get it tbh

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:01 am so from this pov, u might wanna consider not chopping us coz

if we're mafia:

1) if its 3v2 lylo, u could chop us, but u could also chop the other mafia

2) if its 4v1, the chop gets wasted, we dont get a flip, 3v1 mylo tomorrow

whereas if we chop town today, tomorrow if its 2v1 lylo, our shield will be worn off, so u can kill us with one chop if we're mafia

(thats if we're hypotehtically mafia)

and obviously if we're town (which we are) its pretty bad to waste the chop on us, not only coz we're town, but u know, coz it doesnt even get a flip

-t

How likely do you think it's 3v2 here? I really can't see it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:54 am Golden's early-game progression on Alison feels noteworthy.

It starts off with some blunt dismissal of her early suspcision. Then it turns into open skepticism. After a brief back-and-forth, he seeks more elaboration from people who know Alison. But then he eventually settles on a town read, specifically citing some similarities he sees between Alison and himself.

I think this progression looks authentic. More importantly, I don't think a mafia member goes through this much effort to arrive at a town read of their partner on Day 1 of a game.

Does this mean it's just Porscha?

Golden saying he baited Alison to kill him checks out. I also came to the conclusion that his interactions with Alison is clearing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:38 am I am rotating through ISOs, reading one page at a time.

I think Dizzy is town.
This is a combination of Dizzy just looking like a person who is taking the thread in organically, and all of the dead soup nazis having their own micro interactions with Dizzy that absolutely do not look like teammate interactions.

I also am struggling to form a view of this game where it mechanically makes sense for Party Crasher to be mafia. Maybe they could be a hydra lost wolf. But having that slot be mafia would be wacky in terms of both mechanics and their (tutuu's) activity in the game.

So is it Golden or is it Porscha?

Them being exactly hydra lost wolf is one of my theories. I don't think it's impossible for them to be regular mafia based on being many heads, however, I do recall some of the flipped mafia seeming unteamed with PC based on looking confused as to what is up with the slot. So if we're assuming no lost wolf, then I can more easily see them being town, and it's just Porscha. I think maybe I'm extra paranoid about the slot because it would just fit well with lost wolf. But there being something in the rules about "if there's lost wolf" does not guarantee it.

How sure is people it's Porscha? I'm catching up

Good evening

I'll answer stuff when I get home tonight

Every time I'm thinking about the game it goes from thinking everyone is town to everyone being possible mafia and back again. I really want to trust Golden. That's the read I'm banking on

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:01 am Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

Might be too risky, cause unknown mechanics. But I don't believe we have two wolves left. Wondering if there is a possibility here

Not really here but

Is there anyway to game mechanics to lock the game or save time or is it too risky? If PC is telling the truth, they are chop proof, we would need two rounds to chop them. Going PC doesn't even lose if town, probably? And if they are mafia lying, then lol. Golden claims he can protect from NK, if I understood that correctly? Porscha claims to give out something, but nobody has gotten anything? Can this be confirmed. Sloonei is confirmed town anyway, unless Rondo has been lying, which I'm not even going to consider an option. This is really half baked

I shall attempt sleeping. I'll be busy most of the day tomorrow, but will try to check in. Will be here before EoD though, evening time my time.

This is still very hard, and kudos to whoever is wolf. Champs worthy indeed.

But also I want to win so I can get qualified for next GoC as I'm sure I'll have forgotten all about what it's really like by then

Wolves the lot of you tbh

Or Golden is lost wolf who has a role that is about gathering wolves, not town.

It is later. I didn't get an item.

If the last wolf is lost wolf, all spew is irrelevant. So that's fun.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:23 pmDizzy claimed ender kill for convenience and cover as wolf and rondo died to dnd stuff

The problem with this is that in a world I'm mafia, I would have to predict Rondo dying, or else just Ender flips. And I'm not in the DnD server or else Rondo or Michelle would've said so. Also, I would've had to know to soft my role from early on and basically plan this whole thing from way behind. I know people think I'm a good wolf, but I'm not that good.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:20 pmCan you elaborate how that was clearing for me in any way?

The whole interaction you had with Sabi and how she read you as possible 3p, yes, it didn't seem teamed to me. Why is this shocking to you now, when multiple players talked about this already D2? I just went over it btw, and you didn't say this back then

Reading through Alison, because she seems the spewiest. She also leaned pretty hard on bussing.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:58 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:56 pm I'm a pbr

I'm stress eating at work

Not interested in any wagons so wont be voting
this is pretty sus

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:50 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 pmI shot pyxxy.
Why would you do this? He was obvious memein town.
He was lowposting and had a connection with the meme picture that got the lucy-killing gun (which was almost certainly held by mafia). My shortlist was pyxxy, Radishes and Porscha.

^Not really great looks for Porscha.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:42 am if we assume my analysis of wilgy's wolf archetype isn't wrong and my reads on guillo and sig are solid then sabi might actually have given an all town POE to powerwolf us

the last 3 names are porscha dennis HK. dennis is flipped town, porscha is spewed town by the mommy comment, and mac is shielding HK

Then clears Porscha for Sabi spew. This is after others have done the same.

---

Alison's behaviour towards PC is very similar. It's questioning and mistrust in the beginning, then she clears the slot from Sabi spew.

She did the exact same thing with Sean. First some distancing interaction. Then she tried to clear him off of Sabi spew.

So none of these interactions are clearing for either Porscha or PC.

I remember Alison having a fight with Golden on D1, which I think is a much better look for Golden, so that checks out assuming him as town.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:19 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:17 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:48 am Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.
this is rly mehhh

Why would Porscha struggling to post be 3p indicative? Like she struggles to post as a wolf due to TMI. Why would 3p!porscha struggle?

kinda makes me think u have TMI on her alignment
Because Porscha feels alone in the thread. Her posting doesn't have agenda but it's still struggle posting. Before her current pop in it was pretty stiff.

I think the way Sabi talks about Porscha as being alone is what I felt was clearing for Porscha earlier in the game. I'm not so sure now.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:48 am Porscha could be 3p.

She feels like she doesn't have a team or tmi but she is just struggling to post like she does when she's not town.

Imagine this being a mafia read on a lost wolf.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:36 pm
Spoiler: show
me before any goc

me after goc 2020

me after goc 2022

@Dyslexicon

-t

Well, yes.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:02 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:23 am Dizzy carried in a wolf game with me earlier this year lol like our 3rd teammate got mod killed day 1 and I was caught by day 2 and dizzy won so yeah
Yeah, and I straight up bussed both of you hard and coasted on that. I didn't have any mech clearing me. That's way different, or do you feel like it's the same?
I didn't read that much of the game so I dont recall much tbh and like I sorta feel like you had to bus us anyway so idk lol I'm just giving you a compliment

Sure. It's just not helping the situation right now from where I'm standing

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:56 pm As far as I’ve got in Porscha iso her only mention or interaction with other wolves is to ask someone why they wr MR. I haven’t had time to go further.

I'll reread Porscha again as well

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