The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I have 80 minutes to play some mafia. I'm not reading the thread, but somebody tell me what's going on and why I should vote for people.

You should vote for Zebra. Sheep me, please. <3

The why is in my ISO.

Give me the abridged version

I'll try, but it's very much you should read it yourself. So she self voted stating that she would much rather lynch herself than MP cause he was such a strong town read. She makes a point of not having any scum reads so that's why she votes herself, she also makes a point of saying that if she was scum she would fabricate a scum read instead. So this is trying to come off as sacrificial town. She says she thought one of her or MP would be lynched, however there was plenty of time before day end at this point (she claims to not know how long it was). What follows is kind of a sift through lurkers to find someone else than her and MP to lynch. Zebra defends quite a lot of lurkers, and I believe she is playing it up as her not wanting to move over to "easy targets" painting herself more as sacrificial town. She mentions that voting lurkers is bad because the info you get from them is so scarce. However what happens is she decides to vote MM (who is arguably a lurker at this point), and she says she is ok with lynching LC (also lurker). The wagon on Zebra dissolves, and at the end of it she has zero votes.

I believe she is trying to come across as town, and it doesn't read genuine to me. At the point when she voted herself she also had been in discussion with a few players (Frog, Golden) enough to at least have some suspicion on them imo, or she could find a better target than herself.

I seem to be the only one suspecting her now, and she isn't reaction well to my suspicion imo. See in my ISO my post that has pretty colors. Basically I see her doing a lot of "Why do you say I'm doing X?" when I have accused her of doing Y.

Brevity is not a skill that I possess.

ika wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, what do we get out of lynching INAWORD? If he's scum, then yay, we get scum so that's good. But if he's town we don't really get anything.

Don't really think MM is scum (haven't read all his posts though).

we remove someone whos doing jack shit in a game

i will 100% persue someone not posting then someone posting.

jsut join us plz we can do zebra tommorw

No, we can do Zebra now. If INAWORD flips town then we're at the same place tomorrow. He's just null, he may be scum, may be town, but the case is largely "meh" at this point and it's kind of lazy for a D1, just hoping to get lucky.

Frog wrote:lynch this. there are no "civilian"

That's what they call themselves here. A bunch of people have said it, or called it civ.

Vote Zebra
- Kisses

Also, what do we get out of lynching INAWORD? If he's scum, then yay, we get scum so that's good. But if he's town we don't really get anything.

Don't really think MM is scum (haven't read all his posts though).

Sloonei wrote:I have 80 minutes to play some mafia. I'm not reading the thread, but somebody tell me what's going on and why I should vote for people.

You should vote for Zebra. Sheep me, please. <3

The why is in my ISO.

I really just want to lynch Zebra. In case anyone wondered.

sig wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Wait, sig scum read Zebra. I was not prepared for this. *has a flail*

Why?

I was having you two as a semi likely team, but I didn't remember you had her as top scum read with vote and all. I've been meaning to ISO you for the longest time, but I haven't, just checked the vote thing.

sig wrote:I really dislike Soneji's two posts. He came in seemed to make some so he wouldn't be lurking and voted Frog. I think he voted on weak reasoning and jjust wanted to throw out a vote which really wouldn't create any waves and avoided all the major wagons.

Maybe I like you. Maybe I like this. Now I feel more like myself at every end of day 1.

Wait, sig scum read Zebra. I was not prepared for this. *has a flail*

a2thezebra wrote:I'd rather lynch Silverwolf or Dyslexicon than MM but I feel like the Inawordyes wagon is suspicious, and that elevates him from slight town read to at least a moderate town read in my view.

Why would you lynch me? I'm clearly the most innocent cat ever. But seriously - ?

Frog wrote:lol Dys - i think I've read at least 5 of your posts being like - "Lets lynch zebra already" :-D

Lol, I was just going to write that I'm not normally that guy who goes "must lynch this person naooo!", I'm really not, especially D1. Normally I'm just:

But seriously she is very much pinging scum to me now. Whatever happens if she's not lynched today look into it, someone, and look into my points and how she is countering them. But I'd rather lynch her today, would be a good lynch in any case imo, but mostly cause I believe she is scum.

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Thread moving too quickly for me to be fully caught up.

Marco, I saw your post. I think Zebra being theatrical and all that doesn't exclude her from being scum.

I feel like I'm suddenly tunneling, but I'm just not feeling her right now. Meow. If she ever flips scum I'd look into how sig is ambivalent, but doesn't seem ready to vote her.

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Scum among Zebra, Sig, Golden and null lurkers (PSI, Soneji, LC whoever else).

Outside possibilities in Frog, Zexy.

Ika is not really giving much still and it's bothersome.

My brain's all mushy, but that's about where I'm at.

a2thezebra wrote:Well you're wrong, so lol you and all indeed.

sig wrote:Dizzy I've already admitted that most of my reads are tone/gut that is my early play. I've ISO'd a few people and gave my reads/thoughts based on posts, so I don't see how your saying my reads are all unaccounted? Especially my mafia reads/votes which I think I explained.

I think inaword voted for Sonjie as a poke/RVS and hasn't he been gone since? I really don't see how this is enough to start a CFD day 1.

Also what is this MP is scum voting for scum thing? See I think that is stupid. There is no reason for mafia to vote for each other day 1 with so few mafia members. Especially when it is close. I want to know why Ika seems to be setting up wagons for future days?

linki: Golden every single time A CFD has happened to me it has hurt town except for last game. Usually it is done by mafia or paranoid town. Also I'd argue the CFD didn't help since everyone was then to focused on the CFD people and tunneled on them avoiding the mafia who weren't for the most part agaisnt the wagon.

I asked of you a brief explanation of why you suspect me, don't think you've answered. If it's a gut read or whatever that will do, but I have no clue. The other things you're saying here, I don't disagree with.

a2thezebra wrote:Okay that's it you're just making shit up. Playing it up too much? Not one time did I imply that I was "such a good town" for self-voting. Quite the opposite, actually. I self-voted because I found MP more valuable even as a potential baddie then my role as town. How is that patting myself on the back? In fact, how is it not the opposite? Then you just go on to paraphrase my actions and color them as if they are disingenuous while giving absolutely no reason to perceive them as disingenuous to begin with.

Of course I'm invested in my surviving. WHY WOULDN'T I BE?! I have said multiple times both when I initially self-voted and in my response to you, that the only reason I self-voted was because I felt that my mislynching was inevitable in the first place.

I'm not saying you are patting yourself on the back. I'm saying you're trying to come across as sacrificial town. This is how I read things. I'm explaining that. If I'm wrong, lol me and all, but this is my reading of what you are doing. And your reaction to me is not making me feel better.

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Is someone has extensive meta on Zebra that accounts for something like, yes this is definitely her town play, then please share.

a2thezebra wrote:This isn't an unreasonable suspicion, but you still don't get that it wasn't really a sacrifice in my view since I figured that I would be mislynched anyway. I still think that to an extent, although there are a lot more people town-reading me now then there were before.

You still think that. You had 0 or 1 votes at you in this post, or what? Rawr. So much rawr. Do you have a read on sig?

Like, can we please lynch Zebra? Please?

- Kisses

a2thezebra wrote:Again I think this is just you either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what my self-vote meant in the first place. It's not heroic, it's not a breakdown, it was simply a statement that I would prefer to die sooner rather than later if it means saving MP. Of course I'd rather we lynch someone who is neither me nor MP, but at the time that wasn't looking likely. If you would make the former post as any alignment, how are you remotely justified in not liking it because I posted it when you have no idea how much of a troll I can be?

How many hours were left in the day? Why not spend time finding a scum read to make a case on instead of self voting? Looks like gambit scum play, not town play.

And I wasn't justifying it and I'm not going to. I was merely stating my reaction.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not sure where you got that "unlike when I'm scum I will not make things up".I totally make shit up when I'm town, all the time. Where did I say or even imply otherwise? I also don't know where you got "I'm totes town being heroic." Granted, my self-vote was not a breakdown or anything, but I wouldn't call it heroic either. I figured that my mislynch was inevitable so I might as well get it over with and save MP in the process who I strongly believe is town. It's not that complicated and it's certainly not heroic. I also find it very hard to believe that you legitimately take issue with me having no scum reads simply because I'm constantly having disagreements with people. Are you seriously implying that I should read people as scummy just for disagreeing with them? For shame. I also find it laughable that you ask me to vote for another lurker when I've made it abundantly clear that I am against going for lurkers in general, not just because I was among them at the time of Frog's crusade.

Both sig and Golden have used the "you should know better" shtick before on me specifically, so I think it's fair. Sorry if it irks you though.

I got that from you. I'm talking specifically about you saying you would make up scum reads if you were scum:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't have them, and unlike when I'm bad I'm not going to fake having them just to please everyone into not suspecting me.

I gave you five civvie reads, that's all I have. You should know better because your reasons for suspecting me are based on things that you've seen me do before as town more than once.

It is whiteknighting MP. Knights, heros. That is my take on it. And not an unreasonable one at all.

How was it inevitable so many ours before end of day with votes being so close. Like really?

No, I'm not implying that. I'm finding it really hard to believe that you have no scum reads enough to vote someone else than yourself when your discussion with Frog and Golden i.e reads as if you are at least suspecting them a bit.

Then I'm very interested to hear why you voted MM and considered voting INAWORD. No.

A wild Soneji appeared!

Furthermore on Zebra - She's saying the problem with lynching a lurker is that there little info to be gain from it (fair comment, I agree), but then follows up by voting MM who's lurkish at this point, and basically what happens is MP sifting through lurkers to lynch (which I don't have a problem with really on his part), but it's like Zebra is getting others to find a case she can jump on while she plays the hero defending people.

So the not wanting lurkers lynched, then why 1. self vote when she was a lurker and 2. vote another lurker?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wait, Dizzy, I'm confused. In your first catchup post you say your first instinct says you should buy it, but then mostly in your second catchup post you start scum reading her behavior. Can you walk me through this? You lost me.

I guess it was my first instinct (and would probably generally be to such a play), but it's like she's playing it up too much. Too much emphasis that she is being sacrificial and don't want you lynched cause she is such a good town, and oh, how hard it is to find other people to suspect, who would ever do this as mafia, must be town right, or else she'd just bandwagon, and oh she is probably getting lynched (way too many hours before day ends to say that) - and what happens? Votes are off her like that. I see a lot of people not seeming interested in her lynch. Sig, among others (who I suspect).

It just doesn't read town play to me at all. I don't know why it seems to fly with people. Is this normal for her town meta or something? It's not the self vote in itself, it's how it's played off afterwards. She is clearly invested in her surviving.

Silverwolf wrote:I will say I don't want to lynch Zebra or Sloonei today. Metalmarsh is looking better also and Epi needs a chance to post.

Why not Zebra? We should totally lynch Zebra.

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People I feel is being kind of ignored that I'm looking at with that one oh so scary eye: Sig and Zexy.

Don't like Zexy's most recent post, and the fact that afaik he's left his vote the same place (without it having impact) like the whole game.

Sig is still just jumping in now and then. People reading him slightly townish, I don't know why? Lot of the reads are unaccounted for, and I don't like his vote on MM. Feel I should look over his posts as one.

Zebra and the self vote and then immediately being very committed to the game. Gurl. I see it as pretending to sacrifice, and then pretending to be unable to find a good scum case (towny right? Not wanting to just bandwagon. No.) ISO people to slightly defend them, like with Sloonie (makes Sloonie probs town if Zebra is mafia). Me no likey.

Other than that I would agree that Inaword is looking rather not so good. And I can't stop being paranoid of Golden, and will likely feel like an idiot if he's town. \o/

OT special: The first season of Death Note is totes way better than the second one, but I really do love the first. I should re-watch it.
"Hey you! You're losing, you're losing, you're losing, you're losing your vitamin C!"

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

But will continue to catch up.

So many posts!

Wait, how the hell did all the votes move from Zebra? I'm not currently thinking that is a good idea. Fishy self vote I want to sacrifice but I want to live is fishy.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Weird response if you assume she is town though. Ugh. Why can you not make sense and make me happy all the time and not just almost all of the time.

ika wrote:DO NOT BREING OUR DATING LIFE TO THIS GAME WE HAVE NOT ONCE USED THAT I HAVE EXPLTIVLY ASKED FOR IT TO REAMIN OUT OF GAME

Well, dating, or just calling it you know each other really well, you both have brought the latter very much into the game yourself (which is expected). I would like more reads from you! Moar! Everything you got! \o/

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not discrediting or deliberately misinterpreting shit. What the hell are you talking about?

You and ika are perhaps the two most frustrating people I've ever played with. I respect you both greatly and think you're swell, but god damn.

I believe town!you would say this in this spot. Mebbe. Hi.

Golden wrote:I'll start dating MP if it helps

I ship this!

Silverwolf wrote:I'm tired of everyone bitching about how ika and I play.

If you'd prefer, I can just not join any more games here.

Takes two (in this case 3-4?) to tango! *butts in*
I like all of your playstyles, but I'd like more focus on reads, and less on repeating the same argument. You are all feeding into a thing that doesn't really go anywhere as I see it. Speaking of, hasn't Frog been all "town should not fight town, I, the Frog knows this and we must prevail!" - has he tried to make sense of your argument? Just an association, not really thinking Frog as scum. Hi.

a2thezebra wrote:Exactly, it is a stupid idea. Therefore, no one would see it coming!

I don't like this, though I'm pretty sure I'd make this post as any alignment cause I'm a troll.

a2thezebra wrote:Right, and I totally understand your frustration because I've been a major lynch candidate before because of ika as well. I know I'm the last one with a right to say this, but we need to decide on someone to lynch that isn't me or you.

So you do want to be saved. Why do you want others to decide who that is for you? This is just scummy. Rawr.

sig wrote:Let me do a quick ISO of MM, I also looked over Dizzy he is strangish? I'm not sure if it is a culture clash or what. So I'm putting that on the shelf for the time.

No. I want you to at least briefly state what your suspicion on me is based on since you've mentioned it a couple of times. What is strange etc etc? Haven't felt a lot of/any questioning from you so I'm curious.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why is Golden null?

Cause he goes back and forth in my mind. Is that surprising to you?

MovingPictures07 wrote:3) Effort. I can try all I want to replicate this as mafia, and my post count isn't indicative of my alignment, but when push comes to shove town MP exudes effort in a way that mafia MP cannot match. So far, given my RL constraints, I think I've demonstrated this.

This is half convincing to me. The effort is definitely great.

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Was going to write commentary as I read, but then I forgot, but now I remembered. And um.

- So I'm already thinking MP looks a lot better to me, or else he is a fantastic talker.
- I don't want Ika to always have the excuse of "I gut read" and honestly he haven't been giving that many reads either. Mostly he has been repeating stuff about his playstyle and not contributed that much thoughts and reads to the game. I'm still reading him town. I tend to read emotion as townish, generally (maybe to a fault), but the particular emotion I see here looks more like coming from town than scum, like defensive about his playstyle not being seen as valid/helpful? I wish him and Silver would interact less, and he'd interact more with others, go more after reads, get more into the game etc.
- MP mentioning again that Golden has fooled him before. Golden has at points looked like how I imagine I look when I'm scum, which makes me more paranoid about him again. Golden will be ecstatic to read this commentary.
- I'm not digesting Frog's posts well, and I'm skimming a lot of them. So much meta-game commentary and theories and things that may or may not be applicable and stuff that most certainly is not applicable to everyone/every situation. The drunkenness is entertaining though. I'm kind of assuming he is town. Yay me. He posts a looot, and I don't think everything adds to the game that much making it harder for "slankers" to catch up. Am I allowed to say that? I did it anyway.
- I totally don't get holding your vote on unvote ever. Missed opportunity. Playstyle I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Golden wrote:You say this over and over and it makes me go back to suspecting you a little. Should I suspect you and ika are scum buddies because you defend each other? Or should I recognise that you know each others meta and listen to you when you talk about each other?

You've chosen not to acknowledge any of the things I've said when you've referenced my defense of MP.

Yup, Golden!scum and MP!Town > Golden!Town and MP!Scum - Or both the same alignments, but probably not both scum (?) <---- Thoughts and stuff.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

- What is this play? Sacrificial. Should I buy it? First instinct says yes. Then it's all "unlike when I'm scum I will not make things up, so I'm totes town being heroic". Meh. Why the "I have no scum reads" when you, Zebra, clearly have disagreements with players. I.e saying Golden should know better. Why not at least vote another lurker?
- Speaking of, I kind of don't want to see "you should know better" or "you're misrepping me!", I don't know it just irks me lol.

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Details: if anyone is interested: Calling MP's push on Ika "an easy push" is maybe not the correct usage. But it is a potentially easy case to make, and Ika had made himself an easy target imo, assuming he's town.

Musings: I may be giving some players too much leeway here, but it is what it is. Townreading Silver and Ika ftw!

Much pages. Such discussion. Very read. Wow.

Golden wrote:I don't like it when people overstate how hard I'm pushing against them. It makes me feel like they are more interested in spin than truth.

Golden wrote:To be even clearer - saying I'm considering voting someone and having them amongst the bottom of my rainbow reads is not 'pushing' anything. It's just stating my reads. If I want to push something, everyone will know.

Faaaair.

Golden wrote:I can't say for sure, but I think if MP was soft defending me to buddy me, he would have had me higher on his rainbow list than he did.

Assuming you're town, he could not for having the option of turning around on the read? I don't remember where he put you, but like, I can think of reasons why he wouldn't hard push you as town read. But I don't know you guys, so

Town
Silverwolf

Townish
Marco

Slight town maybe not sure
ika
Zexy
Frog

Null
Golden
Inawordyes
DrWilgy
Sloonei

Null but suspicious
a2thezebra
sig
Long Con

Scummish
MovingPictures07

Extreme lurk alert:
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89

Anyway, thoughts and stuff after catching up.

Suspicious of MP. I did not find his push on Ika convincing at all, and I found it to be an easy push at the time. He is more so defending why it's reasonable for him to suspect Ika than actually accounting for why Ika is scum. At least that is what I see. There's also other things that makes little sense to me (see my catch up with questions and stuff).

VOTE MOVING PICTURES

Noting also that he is softly defending Golden. Don't know what this says about Golden, he may be town if MP is scum, but I'm not sure.

So in the Silver and Ika vs MP and Golden think, I'm most inclined to think MP as scum. Golden I'm not sure of, sometimes I think town and then something happens and I'm doubting again. Silver seems very town to me. Lol me if I'm wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ika does seem town to me, he reads fearless town, but less sure of this read as there is not so much to go on here.

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I really really really want to slap PSI and Soneji with a cod right now. They need to get into this game right meow. For reals.

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Conflicted on sig. He did look a lot better last he posted, but there's not that much to go on.

As for the case on Zebra, I don't know her. The case is reasonable, and she could be scum. What makes me doubt is my doubt about some of the people advocating her lynch.

Sloonei is apparently having time contrains. That sucks, cause it doesn't make it easier to read him. Not a town read for me right now, but can't really say he is scum either.

I want Marco to post more thoughts on players and less mechanic/strategic analysis. Still reads town.

^I could say the same for Frog, but you know, Frogs be jumping and I'm just going to let them.

Btw, I skipped a lot of the talk about the lurker lynch plan, and all that. Not interested. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And I think I'll actually attempt do a rainbow list, cause they are pretty. But I rarely agree with myself once they are posted. I'm all

Frog wrote:

w0w0w33w0w. v3ry n1c3.

You win. >_>

Golden wrote:Silver and golden, that's awesome.

The rest:

Inawordyes wrote:Yay, a vote! Someone likes me!

Haha sorry, I'm playing less like MU and more like MM, and on my homesite we tend to RVS the players who haven't posted or voted on D1 because our games are role-heavy. We go for getting as much info on everybody rather than necessarily figuring out the scum team straight-out. I was also busy all day today so I didn't have any time to come in and adapt to new info. I'm catching up now though, so if there's anything of interest that y'all want me to take a look at, quote it and let me know! I probably won't reply to much on my catch up, so feel free to call attention to something I may have skipped over too.

I'd rather want to see where your attention is when you're caught up. And I really hope you will be able to catch up and share your thought before the day is over.

Golden wrote:How much am I 'shipping your lynch' Wilgy? I haven't voted for you at all. I haven't pushed others to vote for you.

Well, you did say that you almost voted him at a point iirc. Why so opposed to be seen as wanting to lynch him? You did put him in your scum reads, so why defend yourself from you shipping his lynch?

These are the things I'm talking about, Golden. The things that hurts me, and makes me have many sads and doubts about your alignment.

Frog wrote:Hey fierce one - I see you and IAWY reading the thread. Obv IAWY is cathcing up, what's your deal. What are you focusing on atm?

Lol. You're stroking my fierce ego.

Frog wrote:"shinigami aren't permitted to undo that which has been fated. At that moment jealous became something that is ne ither sand nor rust, he died. The only reminder of his existence became his deathnote which remained his life"

FYI - in the champs games do not expect to ask public questions wrt the game to the host. Doing so is considered shooting an angle and breaking the rules.

Speaking of:
Question to JJJ:
How do you kill a shinigami?

Frog wrote:Dys - you're literally exempt from all town kills/lynches for today. But I demand better GIFS!

Nuuuurrrr. Cause I take my gifs seriously, cause they're my trademark. Usually they are
1. Cat gifs (occationally dogs)
2. Gifs from shows that I love, which usually means they are shows designed to please teenage girls.
3. Gifs of my spirit animal:

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, Frog, I owe you 4 names for your low poster thing, don't I? Even if I don't agree with it, I'll gladly oblige.

Why?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, you realize that's, like, your opinion, man.

sig wrote:How so?

You're lightly skimming the surface imo. I don't see any clear direction or stances so far.

That isn't super common on the Syndicate, also could you explain why we should have more wagons? Wouldn't it make it easier for the mafia to hid among wagons.

More pressure, more information. Makes it more dangerous for mafia to live and play. If everyone has one vote each there's no tension and mafia has more control and can relax more. Having a couple of votes isn't a big deal necessarily. Feeling like you are a legit lynch target is a big deal.
Not really relevant to this game so I'm going to color this green:I don't agree with this. While I'm on board with assuming more often than not some mafia will lurk or have low post count/content, this highly depends on the specific player who rands mafia. A lot of players who are not very confident in their scum game will be low posters when they are scum, I was myself the first times I played as scum. However, a lot of experienced players will be active regardless of alignment, or their activety will depend on their RL circumstances. I would expect most players that are going to play in the Championship to be confident enough as scum that they don't outright lurk. Also, lurking is frowned upon in almost every game (with good reason!), so it's not like it's optimal scum strategy anyway. Just my two cents on this.

sig wrote:Ugh that Silver vs Golden vs MP vs Frog got annoying to read after awhile. :P

And what is your verdict of these players?

Psitt did something that pinged me which I can't recall atm.

He has like 2 posts or something? Surely you can easily check his posts and recall what it was?

Golden wrote:And besides that, this site tries its hardest to pride itself on being a safe and friendly community where people can have fun and I'm committed to doing my part in that.

I feel this, and appreciate it a lot. Not all mafia sites are like this, and it definitely makes the game more enjoyable imo. It's also very good when people understand that even aggressiveness, frustration, manipulation etc is all game related and not personal. I have the philosophy that when you write in the game you put something in that belongs to the game, so while emotions and frustrations can be real they are real within the context of the game, and not personal.

- Meanwhile sig is doing more, giving thoughts on Silver vs Golden (OMG HOW DID I NOT SEE THE PUNNINESS OF THIS BEFORE NOW? Silver and Golden hahahahaahah I can't ), plus he has a case on Zebra which is reasonable.

Sloonei wrote:I will not be my normal self in this game due to time constraints but I don't want to drop out so I'm gonna have to adjust on the fly. I apologize.

This is not really off topic though, is it?
You asked about why vote MP, Ika answered you, and from what I see you ignored that. Why?

Silverwolf wrote:If I die N1-there's a good chance ika is scum. I know that sounds weird since I defend him, but that's what he gives as a self meta tell all the time-he'd kill me N1 if he's scum.

Way to make yourself the N1 kill target. Maybe I'll live to see D2 after all. \o/

Golden wrote:My interpretation of MP's case is that ika hasn't made any substantial scum reads of his own. You could call this that ika's contributions have been quantity over quality.

I disagree here, and would almost say the opposite. That Ika is quality above quantity. What I mean by that is he's one of the people that has been giving pretty clear reads that are easy to find, so where he's at is not such a mystery as it is with some other players in thread. I do wish he would read the entire game and be a bit more particular, but I currently don't have an issue with Ika and I think he's town.
AMAGAWD! Someone is talking about me in a different way than just calling me town! (Except sig mentioned sideeying me, which I kind of liked since afaik noone else has said this). I have no other comment to this, but I will prance a bit for the attention.



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Random thing I want to comment on since it's been floating around: For me I didn't take Silver's vote on MP as a clear intent to lynch, but rather more like a pressure vote or a "I want/expect you to give some content". I'm feeling Golden and Silver is treating the vote intent slightly differently which may account for some disagreement (?)

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd highly suggest reading all content when you get the chance, because I'd like to hear more from you. You're towards the bottom of my upcoming rainbow right now, so I'd support your lynch and you should have at least some sense of urgency for that reason.

Minor detail (maybe) - but you've decided the order of the list before you're done catching up? Still a few pages to go between the Ika quote you replied to and this post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Marco, I'll get to your post on zebra in a bit, but I want to finish technically catching up so I can work on my rainbow.

Especially when you want to catch up before working on the rainbow. "Technically" catch up?
That makes sense and is how I read it too, but in the original quote here you only talk about how Golden's defense makes sense because him defending town reads is something he would do. So then that is a different thing altoghether from how you say you were reading the situation of Golden defending you, making the original quote not applicable.

In other words it reads to me - "I don't find what Golden was doing alignment indicative, but that wasn't what he was doing."

ika wrote:Guts not guy

On my home site "gut reads" are often called "guy reads" because of this common autocorrect. :P Guy reads <3
I don't care for your "plan" because I don't care for plans in general. I don't need a plan to push lurkers or even wanting to see one lynched. Lurkers should be pushed and should be lynch options or else mafia can just skate by. If I see a non-lurker I'd rather vote for I'm doing that. I don't want to waste time talking about whether or not a plan should be implemented to do something that can just as easily be done as a natural part of the game. IMO that wastes time and opens for a type of meta-game discussion ("Is lynching lurkers a good idea or not?" and the variants) that isn't really game solving and is very easy for scum to take part in to look like their doing something. Again, I'd rather just scum hunt.

Silverwolf wrote:If he's tryhard wolf, it is worth the effort to me.

I thought the exact same thing, and almost quoted him on it too.

Zexy wrote:Btw this overall behavior from MP is seriously towny. His questions/cases on everybody make lots of sense.

I disagree!
K, well I found the whole thing pretty towny on her part, but I do realize that being in that discussion in real time is a different thing. She's coming across as very town to me in later posts, we even think the same things it seems.

Also, to you and zexy - you shouldn't rely on a strong town meta from me as being a sign I'm town. I think (others can give you their own opinion) that I maintain a pretty solid helpful-civ meta across both town and scum. It's totally fair for you to be paranoid. But I am town this game.

Yes, this is what was my hunch, and why I'm paying some extra attention to you. And I bet you'd say this as town and scum as well. :P

Golden wrote:I mean, look at this. What am I supposed to do with this. Are you even reading my posts at all?

Yes, I feel bad for you about this. Must be frustrating no matter alignment.

Here, have a kitty:

Silverwolf wrote:OVERALL, we need 9 votes. I'm hoping as town, we can find them today on someone. We are too divided it seems and I'd like to get a consensus before day ends. I do realize we have time but not a much as you'd think.

No, we don't need 9 votes. The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. 9 votes is only for hammer lynching before the deadline.

Frog wrote:Welcome... tyo Zombo com. You are qwlxomw to ~ombo. You are for to be welcome to... ZOMBO COM. WELCOME. YOU! ... ARE.... welcome to.... ZOMBO (com)



Give me one day for a straight up GG. In case you have any doubt, literally look at any of my past past games. Even in my D1 I point out maj scum.

Do I sense slight drunk posting? =D

Am I the only one using gifs here btw? This game has a serious lack of gifs, which is a problem that must be given the utmost attention.

/Catching up. There's a lot, so it may take a while (sorry for your boredom, Frog).

Frog wrote:I'm getting bored as fuck. I'm going to do some work. Hope we have some oceanias/asians/middleeasterns/africans/europeans on here.

Frog wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:When does day end *has no concept of time*

I'm assuming it ends at the end of sunday EST

Oh right. Different lengths in the weekends or whatever. *goes back to sleep*

When does day end *has no concept of time*

DrWilgy wrote:Wagons with this plan it will be easier to pick apart wagons. Better analysis latter, if my lynch is avoided within the 4 provided, yay me! If not, oh well.

Sig is try harding harder than I've seen sig try hard... Or at least it feels that way.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Can you please clarify
- What do you preceive "this plan" to be, and how will it make it easier to pick apart wagons. Examples?
- What do you mean with "the 4 provided".

You mentioned you couldn't read sig, so I wondered why you felt the need to say that. Now you're saying he's different somehow (if I understand you correctly)?

Randomly calling out the scum team: Wildy, sig, Golden and Zebra.

Yay me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I find it very much in character for Golden to defend me, regardless of his alignment, since it's something we both will not hesitate to do if we think the other one is town and is attracting heat early on, since we both often talk a lot and attract a lot of early suspicion, whether fairly or unfairly. A town Golden will not hesitate to defend with conviction any player he believes is town, but a scum Golden would have a similar incentive here since he would know I'm town. So the fact that he defends me is NAI, but I wanted to elaborate upon this nonetheless, in an attempt to provide meaningful context for Silverwolf and anyone else interested.

Do you think Golden had any reason to read you town at that time?

Silverwolf wrote:Dyslexicon-I didn't borrow your reasoning but I can see where you would think that as it does look similar. Don't know what else to say. I do agree with you there on Golden but I've given several independent thoughts on him as well as directly interacting with him last night.

Alright, fair enough I guess.

ika does not defend me as much when I am scum, he has caught on to me pretty quick in 2 of my scum games against him, the third I fooled him most of the game but this was before we were dating so I think the defending things is due to that plus if he truly believes I am town, he will strongly defend me no matter what. He can answer a lot more to this. He's still out of town.

Noted.

I agree with MP that ika should let me answer for myself so ika, please do that, TIA.

Yeah, that would be helpful. No need to say "SW is town don't bother her" in every post. We know his position now lol.

^Color got messed up. Purple color is supposed to end after "Who's to say he didn't do that?"

Silverwolf wrote:Yes, I was responding to Marco's post (as you can see by the butchered quote) which was the last post in the game before my rant. I do agree though that VCA would be a mess if we all coordinated our votes and scum would have a very easy time blending in with that plan. I don't mind Frog brought it up. He's trying to be proactive.

Not what I was getting at at all. I wondered if you borrowed reasoning from me w.r.t your read on Golden. I've underlined the parts I found to be the same in my post on it and your's:

Dyslexicon wrote:Between the whole Silver/Golden discussion my thoughts are roughly this: First of all I didn't really see anything wrong with the MP vote. Second, none of Golden's questions were unreasonable or misrepping or whatever else Silver called it, it was just normal questioning. Reacting in this way seems to be normal for Silver though as I read it. All in all Silver reads townish to me, even if I don't agree with how she takes Golden's questioning. She seems to be putting herself in a position of being above questioning. Which she is not. Still reads more town to me. Golden however is if he is scum given a golden opportunity (see what I did there? :3) to defend himself in a way that makes logical sense all the way and he could objectively defend his position.
However my question is: Golden, do you still suspect Silver?
I also note that Golden is slightly apologetic in this interaction for "ticking Silver off" (which I don't think he needs to be cause he did nothing wrong). He may just be a polite young gentleman, but it reads a bit guilty mindset.
Like, I find it really hard to trust Golden, and I don't know whether I'm paranoid or not.

I don't know if this thought process will make sense to anyone.

Silverwolf wrote:My MP vote was to get a reaction out of him. I DO NOT appreciate Golden's insinuations that I was going after him for RL which I would never do. Golden kept twisting it to that and it pissed me off. There was nothing wrong with my vote and I have no idea of MP's alignment-I'm gonna go read all his posts a little later-but I DO NOT appreciate Golden interfering with my vote and interaction with MP and defending MP the way he did. If MP is town and Golden is town, it's fine but there is no way for Golden to know that unless he's scum.

I think he's scum who knows MP's alignment. It's the only way for him to be that defensive of him because it's way too early with too little content to get a read on MP so he's not defending a townread as town.

He's a damn good player. As scum, it is easy to get into an argument and be all logical and level headed and look like town[. Who's to say he didn't do that?/color] That said, I'm gonna read all the reactions to is and see what others thing. I incorrectly tunneled Golden in Turf Wars when he was town and even though I realized that and backed off then, I don't want to make the same mistake here. Also, us tunneling back and forth will get us nowhere. I need to get some reads on and ISO others today.

- I also wonder if Ika defends you also when you are scum? In other words, would you be able to fool him if you were scum and he town?

Ika, what does your read on Silver consist of, specifically?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Feeling slightly town about this post, Dizzy. Digging it. Your reads are easy to comprehend yet they appear genuine. Can you elaborate on your reads of sig and Zexy?

Think I had town point on sig at first just due to mention he liked living (seemed like a town mindset). But I've grown suspicious of him, cause I don't feel he adds a lot. Not much else to say, but I should probably ISO him at a point.

Zexy, I don't know. On the townier side of null to me. Just due to the fact that I'm able to look at his whole play and see it as a comprehensive town play I guess. I don't have much specifics here either.

Dizzy, what do you think of PSI this game?

I commented on this in the post you quoted above this one. Most of all I want him to post more now.

DrWilgy wrote:Using the hammer by this means will help us gain valuable information based on flip. If I cannot be judged based on my little contribution, at least by this plan I can assist town in some way.

The only negative I see is the potential of hitting a low key civ power role.

No I'm horribly behind. I've been looking for my name during my skim though. Still have a bad gut feel on Sloon. I'm having trouble reading Sig. I have a bad gut feel on Golden.

What valuable information would be gathered by lynching a lurker?
What information do you see coming out of lynching you based on you having low content?

What is your reason for mentioning you have trouble reading Sig, is there a point to this?

Silverwolf wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Spoiler: show

Silverwolf wrote:I just woke up and am still a little cranky but I have to rant for a bit cuz it's bugging me and will make me feel better:

In Turf Wars, I went after low content lurkers and turned out to be right that some of them were scum. I was basically discredited by townies in that game as being tinfoil because those posters had low content and they kept going after each other and the wrong people. Even after I was killed, they ignored me.

My MP vote was to get a reaction out of him. I DO NOT appreciate Golden's insinuations that I was going after him for RL which I would never do. Golden kept twisting it to that and it pissed me off. There was nothing wrong with my vote and I have no idea of MP's alignment-I'm gonna go read all his posts a little later-but I DO NOT appreciate Golden interfering with my vote and interaction with MP and defending MP the way he did. If MP is town and Golden is town, it's fine but there is no way for Golden to know that unless he's scum.

I think he's scum who knows MP's alignment. It's the only way for him to be that defensive of him because it's way too early with too little content to get a read on MP so he's not defending a townread as town.

He's a damn good player. As scum, it is easy to get into an argument and be all logical and level headed and look like town. Who's to say he didn't do that? That said, I'm gonna read all the reactions to is and see what others thing. I incorrectly tunneled Golden in Turf Wars when he was town and even though I realized that and backed off then, I don't want to make the same mistake here. Also, us tunneling back and forth will get us nowhere. I need to get some reads on and ISO others today.

ika defending me is null, he defends me all the time but I need to see more than just defending me here from him when he can post properly again

Have you read my posts on this topic before writing this?

No, I hadn't read the new comments yet. I am doing that now.

I asked, cause what you said seemed to echo what I said, quite literally at times.
Don't know if this is just my perception (others can comment)

ika wrote:so after rereading the first few pages (more like glossed), sig seems odd, I agree on silvers idea of MP being "cautious" (town should not care IMO)

town read delex, frog (not doing the plan), and sloonie.

anyone else want to talk to me go right ahead i got about 20-30 mins

I want to know if you have the intention of reading the whole thread before day ends?