The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:24 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:15 pmWhat.

It's literally...

Exactly.....

What you did....

You waited until someone (Dyslexicon) threw out a suspicion or disagreement with me and then you mobbed onto it with nothing to add other than you egging him and I on. That's what a baddie does when they want to discredit someone who has them dead to rights.

I kind of agree with this. Although I find K-ness to be even worse here.

How so?

Maybe cause I’m already more suspicious of him than Jack already, or maybe cause he has weighed in on way less in general, so it stands out more. He hasn’t really gotten into strong accusations at all before. It’s more of a switching gears for him as I see it.

Actually toying with the idea of you two being teamed. Spoiler alert. Will have to recheck interaction.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:19 pmI don't feel great about your argument. You "absolutely" would have lynched the mafia over the civ. Well great, Duh. Hindsight being what it is, this means nothing to me. And "If I were mafia why would I blah blah blah" means less.

I don't read "I didn't mean to lynch Simon I wanted to lynch Marmot" as genuine.

That's fine. But it's true nonetheless. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I did mean to lynch Simon (or Marmot, didn't really care between the two) earlier in the day. But leaned Marmot late day, and missed the vote. And then felt annoyed about it.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:14 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:12 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:12 pm Does Dharma always act like this, or just when he's pegged logically as being scum?

Hilarious.

Not as hilarious as the nonsense you've been posting.

Can you explain why you didn't vote for Dharma last day phase then?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:15 pmWhat.

It's literally...

Exactly.....

What you did....

You waited until someone (Dyslexicon) threw out a suspicion or disagreement with me and then you mobbed onto it with nothing to add other than you egging him and I on. That's what a baddie does when they want to discredit someone who has them dead to rights.

I kind of agree with this. Although I find K-ness to be even worse here.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:04 pmI found the anecdote about you "accidentally" missing the Marmot vote or w/e to be suspect but shit happened between then and now that took my attention elsewhere. If you want to know if I find that still suspicious, yes I do. And your dumb Meow Meow vote and backwards criticism of me for "not solving the game" to your satisfaction (despite your contributions to this effort including cat noises and hair salon puns) doesn't help.

I don't like being fucked with.

Alright. Being "fucked with" is kind of part of the game, I'm afraid. If it helps any, me doing votes on a whim to see what comes out of it is rather normal if I feel lost. Also, I love cats. Ideally I would've wanted to follow up more or just get anywhere on the same day, but I really was not around and did not have the time. It's very obviously not a standard way of explaining a vote and it doesn't do anything for being convincing. You don't really need to point that out anymore, cause I'm sure other players can also do the math on that. It doesn't discredit my contribution to the game otherwise though.

I absolutely did accidentally miss the Marmot vote. I went into the day preferring either Marmot or Simon, but someone recapped them both so by the end I wanted to switch to Marmot, cause I was more convinced he was scum, but I still wanted to have competing wagons towards day end. I just didn't track the time of a conversation I was having, and came into the thread like 3 minutes late. And that was very annoying to me. Why would I even need to make that a point if I was mafia and had all the information? If I was mafia I probably would've voted Marmot all day. It's not like he was going to last.

Isn't phase change around now?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:56 pmDon't go dropping all your points against me just because I'm here to address them I hear that's a baddie move that baddies do meow.

I'm not dropping anything. I'm trying to engage with you and have a conversation, but you are being rather obnoxious and dramatic, and I'm just not in the mood for that.

Anyway. My point is that I seemed to be in your suspicions, but I haven't felt you engage with me or try to question me much. I've been waiting to see if that would happen.

The same goes for Turnip, actually, although I don't really know if he's actually serious about having me as a suspect or not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:52 pmMeow.

Yeah, if you're town this isn't really going anywhere productive right meow. You do you, and I'll just decide where my vote goes when I can, I guess.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:35 pm

barber-a strei-strand
a brush with death
acute tangle
the brushin' mob
shampoozled
james comby
buzz rightear

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:46 pm"DH was talking shit about me when I was imprisoned but didn't bring any of that up when I got out of jail" Meoooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Or are you saying you did bring it up? Cause if so, I missed that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:46 pm"DH was talking shit about me when I was imprisoned but didn't bring any of that up when I got out of jail" Meoooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Do you find it strange that I take note of it? I would assume that if it was important to you and something you would want to clarify or investigate as town, you would bring it up. If it was a sincere suspicion. I mean, sure, maybe you just forgot or moved onto other things, but it stood out to me.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:38 pmwell, actually.

Thinking back, and reminding myself of my own role pm. It looks like every PM is a template and then later of course everyone is recruited.

So perhaps I just saw this and blindly followed that original thinking all this time? I think DH is just being DH. and i wont discount him for it

linki: yeah i just thought of that

Yeah. Still seems a bit more likely to come from town though, just cause it would be more readily in a town's mind that a scum's.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:43 pmHey if you wanna make shit up that's cool man that's cool cool cool meow.

What am I making up?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:37 pmCool I guess you didn't read my case on Jack at all that's cool meow.

Cool I guess you can do whatever you want and not try to solve the game or be taken seriously five or six Days into the game or w/e that's very cool Meow. Seems especially cool to say "I suspect DH for not trying to solve the Game, but DH should not suspect me for voting for him for an obvious joke that should not have been taken seriously even though I voted for him and didn't move my vote and also its Day 5 or 6 or whatever" meow meow very cool

Cool I guess we're just gonna make stuff up now that's very cool Meow Meow, hey did everyone read the post where Dyslexicon outted his whole team and called Epi a big old fart Meow

Eh, I'm not in the mood for the snark.
Regarding the vote, I really had no clear direction of where I wanted to vote. Sometimes I just like to stir things up and see what comes out of it, especially if I feel I don't have a direction. And then I just didn't have time to reevaluate anyway, and was more content to lynch you than both Bullz and Jack at that point.
Also, yes, I read your points on Jack. That's all fine. I was thinking more about your suspicion on me and how you had specific points when I wasn't here that you haven't even brought up.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"

Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:18 am So was that whole thing with jay and mac jay not realizing civs don't get told they're recruited meaning he's not a civ or...?

townslipped himself

Oh. Good. Would mafia definitely not know this?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:32 pm Dizzy, do you think you'd have to time to do what I did above? just copy paste the votes and color them according to your reads?

Why though? I don't really get the exercise. But I can attempt a rainbow.
Maybe silly point, but why is JJJ and Colin both green? Just all people who are died are green? I have a feeling Spoons might've been third party, but that is just guess work.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:29 pmEwwww mewo

Yes, those be my thoughts. You seem very eager to discredit and brush away suspicion on you. And I also have taken note of you not following up the suspicion you seemed to have on me from when I was imprisoned. Do you, or how do you disagree?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"

Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Quick thoughts.

I really don't have a ton of direction.
I'm inclined to trust LC based on an early town impression and also how Luna tried to case him really early. I don't really see the point in why it would be smart or important for potential teammates to save Marmot. I feel it should've been pretty obvious that Marmot would have to go. I don't know, I guess that all depends on the players in question.

I haven't really felt anything bad from Jack. I just haven't. Don't know if I would if he's scum. I did find Wilgy's observation interesting though. In my experience, extroverted players usually vote and change vote more often, plus votes earlier in the day, when they are town.

I also don't see the case against Speed, except votes are bad, so I guess that's a thing.

Sprit is probably town, feel more confident hearing that he is likely out of scum range. Seems to be driving the thread in a productive direction.
I really have no idea about Turnip. I don't get any read.
I don't know about Kyle either. Has been staying out of most of the drama I guess. Been on the right side of history every time, but somehow I'm not entirely convinced by that.

Kness, I had this vague idea that he came off townie in insisting that Gemini man would have to me scum. It felt like a real opinion, and not a fabrication. But there's not much else.

Nova, doesn't look like he's giving a shit about the game to me. Quin dying is probably not the best look on him either.

I do have suspicions on Dharma, and here's a short summary of why: I see him deflecting, and I see him not really following up on game solving. Everyone knows that a naked vote or a silly comment to a vote is not something to be taken seriously. The fact that he has spent so many post ridiculing an obviously silly comment looks like someone who's just out to discredit and deflect, and it doesn't serve any solving purpose. I also notice that he has things to say about me and how I had done stuff that he found suspicious or not town or whatever when I was imprisoned, but when I did appear in thread he didn't take the opportunity to air any of these things or question me about it. Just sowing doubt or having opinions, but not putting in effort to figure out if it really is the case that I'm scum or not. That is what it looks like to me. I also have noticed a trend that when I play with new players, a lot of the time they will want to go after me if they are scum. I guess I give off the vibe of being an easy target. I also agree with LC on the attitude of being critical of town and using that as a reason to discredit others as well. Again, I have never played with Dharma, so I don't know how much is playstyle. But these are some of the reasons for my suspicion.

Lol

Hair witch project.

Also, realized I'm not in the opening list of players, so Sprit omitting me from question round makes more sense to me now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:40 pmopening barbershops?

Just making hair salon puns.
The Barberque.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:07 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:59 pm Lame. I'm going to bed, have fun lynching a civ.

If It's any consolation, I'd prefer to lynch Dharma.

I have a hard time understanding why you didn't vote Dharma then. Can you explain?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:31 pm Please help me find the worst hair salon names.
Hair and there.
Hair me out.
Hairy Potter.
You are hair.
The red hairring.

the tortoise and the hair (only works if you get a pet tortoise in the shop)

hair today gone tomorrow (only works if you don't take drop ins)

Yeah, I thought of that last one too. The first one is funny. I like it. This is my new hobby btw.

Please help me find the worst hair salon names.
Hair and there.
Hair me out.
Hairy Potter.
You are hair.
The red hairring.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:46 pm Guys I’m like 90% sure DH is town

Like I’m positive alien was town before DH ever replaced in. So there ya go

Can you expand on this? I'm not seeing it, but I have never played with DH before.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:10 pm Announcement:

If you do not participate and vote to my satisfaction, you will not qualify for a win.

So we do have slackers that are scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

Luna has waffly suspicions on Bullz, Alien and Marmot. I can't find where Luna votes Bullz, but she asks me for reasons when I do it, and says she "almost started feeling bad for suspecting him for a lame reason" (or something very similar). What do you all make of this?

I think it makes Alien/DH look good.

How?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:47 pm Lone off wagon votes at the very EOD don’t do anything. There’s nothing scummy about Kness not voting for you.

Yeah, and Marmot votes for Luna after trying not to. You voting for Marmot after trying not to is basically what we lynched Marmot for.

That's like, your opinion man.

Aw, Big Lebowski <3

Burp

Where we at?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:26 pm @Dyslexicon Luna's interactions with Marmot, and then also with Bullz, forms the basis of my Bullz suspicion. I think she did a lil distancing dance with both of them.

I could see it. I can't make my mind up about most anything, and will probably just sheep Jack or whoever.
I have stuff on my mind, but I'm going to a party thingy now. Will probably be able to check the game now and then.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:11 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 am As far as I’m concerned, Sprityo is rangeclear. Deal with it.

That helps. And was what I wanted to investigate. But I haven't had time to open any of the games.
But that is some coincident, forgetting to tag me when I was imprisoned.

Your name is hard to spell.

Sure, but he didn't try to spell it. : p

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

Luna has waffly suspicions on Bullz, Alien and Marmot. I can't find where Luna votes Bullz, but she asks me for reasons when I do it, and says she "almost started feeling bad for suspecting him for a lame reason" (or something very similar). What do you all make of this?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:40 amGiven himself a lovely bit of wiggle room there for when I flip civ and he can say "damn, I was 25% sure he wasn't bad". It's interesting to me that Speedchuck's first vote for a baddie was the second Marmot lynch, he didn't vote Luna and voted Simon during the tie.

So are you saying that Speed is scum and that you want him lynched or are you more concerned about discrediting him because of his opinion of you? Cause it looks more like the latter to me.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:29 pm Full disclosure: I put in for a replacement a few days ago, because I'm not up to doing Mafia at all right now. In the meantime, I'll just vote Dom because it seems like he's being pretty quiet too.

Oh hi.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:43 amYou know what else is easy and not productive?

"Meow!" *votes for one of the like, 5 people actually posting then disappears for hours at a time*

Where're your suspects m8
Where are your posts "solving" the game m8
Who are your teamm8s

Yeah, I heard you say that.

They are all in the game you didn't read. I'm out of scum range too, so go pick on someone else.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 am As far as I’m concerned, Sprityo is rangeclear. Deal with it.

That helps. And was what I wanted to investigate. But I haven't had time to open any of the games.
But that is some coincident, forgetting to tag me when I was imprisoned.

Thanks yooous!

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:05 pmit was a coincidence. I'm just dumb

Can you please link me to a couple of your last scum games?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:10 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:09 am I'm just trying to explain why the behaviour doesn't impress me in a Civ way. I'm not trying to sandbag you with one-word accusations.

It isn't necessarily my prerogative to impress you, is it. How intellectually honest is it to go "Hey you know what makes sense? Meow. Meow makes sense, that's a good point Dyslexicon, I'll vote for the Meow."

K. Are you done being pressed about an obviously silly vote? That's easy, and not very productive. "Omg, look at that non-reasoning, can't you all see that?" Of course they can.

I don't really have a read on you. I don't think arguing against the Marmot lynch is particularly scummy. Marmot was a dead rodent walking since Luna flipped afaic. You haven't done much else, as far as I can remember. Joking, bringing up how Mega Man was lynched on D1 (which lol, I agree it was a bad lynch, but a mislynch on D1 is not uncommon, and the fact that she was Mega Man is not something anyone could've known), and then you've insisted to be town and defended yourself a bit.

I recall Alien's "I'm not making any sense now" and "I'm so tired" posts. That bugged me then, and it bugs me now. I know you can't answer to that.

Anyway. I don't have any reason to town read you. I'm curious though, since you joined the game, what players sticks out to you the most as town, and most as scum? How much of the game did you read?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:03 pmWhat is a Kyle? Who is a Kyle?

me

I know. : p
I just... are you town?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:48 pmis the implication here that sprit had foreknowledge that you were imprisoned?

Yeah. It's some coincident to forget to tag the one player that is imprisoned when you want to see who can participate.

Good night.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:36 pm The reasons I have two votes:

"Meow"

and

"Eww"

Which is fun and cool and good. Very cool and very fun and very good. Definitely.

I stand by what I said.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:26 pmI tend to try to read people by motive and meta. I know my motive, so it makes it hard to self-evaluate.
I'm pretty sure I don't try to save teammates like I accidentally did with Simon/Marmot, but other than that, I don't have a lot of meta-points to stand on.

The only non-burglary games where I've been caught as scum was when we'd POE'd it all the way down or I revealed myself, if that helps or makes any difference. I usually do a pretty good job of looking composed as scum.

Though I'm trying to break that meta, so I don't want to rely on it.



I'm not sure how to answer your question. My town meta is whatever it ends up being. I'm not trying to be a performance.

Right. Fine. I mean, I feel we have a pretty similar playstyle (don't get offended! : D) So I'm comparing a lot to how I play the game, and how I feel about it. But you probably like playing as scum more than me, and my righteousness as town is off the charts if I don't check myself.

Hi, Speed, hi.

Sprit incidentally forgetting to mention me when he wanted to call everyone in to answer his GTH question is pretty gross though. Of course, I couldn't answer. If that was a coincident, I will never win the lottery. I'm surprised nobody had mentioned it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:17 pmEwwww

Hi, Turnip. How are you? Do you have any thought on Kyle?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:57 pm If any of the inactive players are scum and is doing background work, that is just fucking boring and I'm not even going to acknowledge it as game play.

Given how extremely inactive some of the players are, I'd be very surprised if their silence was a tactical gameplay decision. I've never known anyone to receive their role PM and decide the best way to win is not to play.

Yeah. I just want them to feel bad if it is. Lol. Ok, now I'm playstyle policing (and not regretting it).