The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:41 amThat said, I'm a still slightly torn on Long Con, because fingersplints isn't the kill I would've expected, and Long Con is the first person I would think to do that.

Why?
And doesn't Plat wanting to chop LC D1 weigh that out?

Wait, I have a reason for why Alison is scum here. More on that later.

Nah, spf is town, cause it makes sense that Plat would try to out all pts and find some kind of glory in that. If spf was a teammate, her doing the fake outing would render Plat's fishing useless. I also believe spf wouldn't town read Plat first thing on D1 if they were scum together.

Hollow town, Nanook town, LC town. I don't get why Tony is cleared, but he's likely town from trying to distract away from two possible town meets (Falcon and LC) last phase, cause he wouldn't have to do that as scum. Depending on how much scum was threatened, but yeah.

Marmot is probably scum tbh. And could definitely be Alison too. I don't love Alison going for lhf Falcon when she said she could've read him if he stayed in the game. And I didn't love her play overall. I'll check interactions with Plat later, but I think Alison called him town after some other people had done it.

Interaction stuff later. Good job, Gavial. And well played, Plat. You passed me for sure.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:02 am Wait, I don't know if they choose or if they just know what roles town get.

Yeah, they get to pick. So self considered strong team then.

Wait, I don't know if they choose or if they just know what roles town get.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:09 pm Vig is usually negative utility for town

Especially in this playerlist

Another reason to TR lc btw he'd be at risk from a vig shot

So if mafia chose vig, mafia consider themselves a strong team. Which doesn't give us much, cause Plat would consider them a strong team just from him being on it lol. But yeah.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:09 pminvictius would know the roles handed out by wolves, he claims vig hoping to out the vig he knows exists. nanook playing like there's no vig in play is a derp, but it's fine b/c he's most likely town

Yes and yes. And hollow firmly town to me too now.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:58 pm I think the team is INVIC/Alison/Marmot
If one of Alison/Marmot is town it’s probably Syn but eh.

I actually agree with Gavial. We have taken a big turn. Also, you're name is pink, which I'm a bit jealous of.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:57 pm why is invictius/dizzy specifically w/v pocketing and not w/w buddying

Maybe you could try to figure that out?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:44 pm HK on the other hand has a back and forth i think is unlikely to be teamed, knowing hk

So I'm still keeping him clear

Alright, good. I'll take this then. I honestly wasn't sure, cause I thought HK likes to distance pretty hard. But also, that seems a bit unnecessary, and I know Plat doesn't like to bus unless he needs to, and probably wouldn't want HK to do it to him. So probably town. Didn't read their back and forth, but I will at some point.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:38 pm Like there's some nebulous kinda vague "maybe plat was trying to pocket" stuff but I don't see anything jn their interactions that makes me go "yeah these two are never partners," especially on dizzy's end, they're just kinda flaccid stuff

That's fine. But I did have the same reads, roughly, and we pushed in the same direction. Pretty much tandem. I did it out of my own reads and took it as encouragement that Plat had the same thoughts (cause I thought he was town). That happened naturally, I didn't see Plat as scum. I don't think I ever line myself up that close with a teammate, especially when the situation is we know each other but nobody else knows him. I really just thought he should be town here, and this is very much how we work when we are both town (which has been almost every game we've played together).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:35 pm Kinda think dizzy is not cleared

Kinda understandable, but I'm town. I totally did not expect Plat to be scum here. I've seen him as scum once, and he was more high strung and controlling than normal. In this game he was calmer than normal, I'd say. And I had the same reactions/reads as him D1, so I just thought he was most likely town.

Oh, and I think spf is town, because early D1 she was one of the first to call Plat town before anyone else (I think), and I don't think she does that as scum with someone she doesn't know.

LC is town for Plat pushing there and trying to make that happen D1.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:28 pm We also know there is a vigilante so vigilante should shoot within: Alison/LC/Marmot/Syn

Not LC, I think. Cause Plat was steering towards LC with me on D1. He doesn't like to bus needlessly.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:26 pm i retract btw, i just wanted to force him to out himself =)

I'm the JOAT!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:22 pm well w/e, i don't care if this dude wants to fish my role out. i CC vig. i did not shoot last night

you can go into anti-spew now

You 100 % didn't need to do this. Plat would never shoot Finger there. Oh well.

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pmBecause I shot there too. I'm the vig.

Tough break to be outed this way.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:24 pm This also makes Dizzy Town because INVIC was clearly trying to pocket them.

How dares he. There will be slapping.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:20 pm Ah fuck it yeah I was fake claiming my green check on Invictius, I just wanted them to seem safe so they would perform the Mafia kill and they did.

I HARD CLAIM TRACKER WITH RED ON INVIC

Good targeting then. I do wish you did this later in the day, so he had all day to post thinking he wasn't outed. Maybe consider that next time.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:03 pmi might be gullible but i find it kind of villagery for nanook to go out of his way to craft a townread on someone based on their misunderstanding of the setup, all while saying: "no more townslips about the setup will be accepted", while inadvertently basing their read on a misunderstanding of how the setup works

this is such a convoluted thought process for nanook to have that im tempted to call it villager indicative

I guess. And at the same time, how did he even think that mafia would know who the pts are, that's an insane mechanic lol. But also, yes, it would be a very convoluted thing to fake.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:55 pm Oh maybe I should read the setup, they know what roles there are but not who has them

Nvm that read then

Mafia knowing who is pt makes 0 % sense.

LC should be cleared from that, but you've probably already gathered that.

I've gathered that Plat was checked and has all the votes. That kind of blindsided me tbh. I didn't think he'd be this calm as scum. But I guess that's why we have pts, so nice.

Going to catch up.

Alright, guess it's Falcon then. Glgl.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm Falcon is usually an aggressive, paranoid player who pokes and jabs at people to find out their alignment. I'm seeing hints of that here, but nowhere near the extent I'm used to seeing from him. I think the wagon on him is justified based on his ISO and I support exeing there.

Have you seen him as mafia?

Yes. He tries to fake his town meta, but is usually more passive and insipid. It fits with his play this game.

Right then. He could go either way imo. Crap shoot. Just sucks if he's town and we chop a lhf that didn't get time to play.

Would you be able to read him over time?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:54 pm Koba/spf - there could be a link there. If I'm not mistaken spf gave an awkwardly long response answering something about Koba. Could be some energy between them. /for later.

wdym?

If one flipped scum, I'd look into the other, depending. /random connection that I have good enough success with historically to out in thread.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm Falcon is usually an aggressive, paranoid player who pokes and jabs at people to find out their alignment. I'm seeing hints of that here, but nowhere near the extent I'm used to seeing from him. I think the wagon on him is justified based on his ISO and I support exeing there.

Have you seen him as mafia?

Koba/spf - there could be a link there. If I'm not mistaken spf gave an awkwardly long response answering something about Koba. Could be some energy between them. /for later.

I think I'm just staying on LC. He's my best bet so far. I thin he got mad about my "lazy vote" because he's scum and he feels like he didn't deserve it. I'm pretending that I super made my mind up. It's the best I have so far.

I'm not inspired by the Falcon wagon tbh. I'm ok to stay on LC.

Alison or even spf would be super spicy.

Gavial wild card. I guess Koba too, considering I don't know their meta, but I read them town.

Tony town probably. First instinct probably correct.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 pmi didn't see the 119 next to your name and i scum read you all the time

Maybe you do. Wasn't even that curious.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 pmyeah falcon flipping town is like my biggest concern but i think friction in trying to get that lim happening is like gamestate indicative they are scum - all i have to really go off of is their opportunistic vote on me as evidence as well as a PoE method of narrowing down where the pool of scum is.

Where's the friction? He seems like a default chop. I'm apathetic to his demise right now.

Someone with skill in coming together and getting a group discussion going should try to make that happen in the coming days. This is a bit chaotic. The clashes in play style and frustration and stuff is less interesting for town to get into.

Not much time

I'm honestly a bit uninspired, sorry.

I haven't read back and forth between Invictus and HK as I think they are probably both town. I will read it at some point though, just don't have the time.

One thing I found mildly suspicious from LC was how he reacted to my vote. He was more upset about it being a "lazy vote" and that he didn't deserve it above Nanook. I read that as more of a scum perspective, and I know LC have felt like he doesn't deserve suspicion as scum before because he hasn't "done anything wrong". That post also didn't have any other value that I could find. Still not confident in LC as scum here though. He's pretty frantic.

Alison not being here is a bummer.

Spf is pretty chill this game. I'm not totally convinced actually. I liked her getting right to sorting in the beginning, but it's gotten weaker after that.

Same for me probably. Less sure than ever, but that's ok.

Falcon is the meh-est chop. He hasn't posted anything really. If he flips town it's like ....ok?

DkK, a lot of what you post are just meta thoughts about the game or mafia in general, play styles etc. You talk a lot about solving, but for me, I want to see more effort from you into analysing people's alignments.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:34 pm i dont feel spf has played this game with an agenda thus far and so im leaning town in her direction although her lack of presence at EoD concerns me although i do understand she does have a newish job of which i dont know the details of when she is at it

If spf is scum, her teammates are likely not in danger. /some stock can go into that. She's not directing much.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:31 pmThe Esooa test (I think it’s from esooa) is that gav is readable based on how many people openly want to policy him vs actually think he’s a wolf. In this game, Gav is not about to get himself policied, ergo, wolf. It’s uh. A questionable strategy. I think gav is town for other reasons but he also scumtells pretty significantly when he’s a wolf so best left alone for now IMO

Alright. I'm also content to leave him be for now.

What's your scum read on me about? I feel like it's the first time you scum read me, but might be untrue. It's pretty bad. =p

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:08 pm I think it’s a bad vote maybe but he feels a little subdued here maybe. By the esooa test of Gav he’s currently failing.

Expand?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:57 pmi have no issue with voting you if you dont produce any reads in the next 20-30 minutes.

You hounding people who don't have the time to be around or are slower in their process if having a negative effect. Try to find a different way to reach out to the ones you want more from, is my tip.

Fuck I can't even be here right now

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:39 pm this is rough. i don't actively wolfread any of the highly active posters, but it's impossible to get an accurate read on the lower posters because they aren't .....posting. i feel partially like i am stumbling blindly in the dark based off of way too little information

Meh post.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:28 pmEh, i don't really count that, but sure

Still think he's where I'd like to push today

Do you have an opinion on LC btw?

Also, LC mentioned the possibility of Gavial/Alison, where Alison pushed early on Gavial to then turn around when he was "more himself". Do you think that's a possibility worth entertaining? Cause honestly, I kind of am.

I hate my auto correct. I'm not used to it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:20 pmYeah game flow and lack of townread is pretty accurate, combined with afaik none of my townreads are townreading him

That may or may not still be true i haven't caught up

Both me and spf town read his entrance immediately. We have both still softened that read. He's hardly been around.

@Gavial What is your read on Alison?

Invictus is that shroom. It all makes sense now.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:50 pmHe’s saying that his slot has been acting and doing everything like the way Nanook is and that you shouldn’t judge him if you don’t also judge Nanook.

I understand that, but I don't think that's true. And that's not what interests me here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Back to this a bit.

What's the point of this post really? Is it just to call my vote lazy? Cause I don't get anything of what this vote says about me or nanook or anyone.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:44 pmI am happy with my invictus vote! I'll do some quotehacks ISO work later to prove it

Good. We need [stuff]

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:45 pmSpeak for yourself, I want nothing to do with mafia players underpants

Highly depends on the underpants imo

I'm here. Not interested in chopping HK probably.

I read Falcon's iso, and it was low content and not great otherwise either. I've seen a lot of scum do the "I'm town, give me cliff's notes haha I'm so unbothered" to start off the game many times. But that doesn't mean town can't also do it.