The Syndicate

cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:28 am waza i prob won't post again tonight but please tell me why dizzy is maf without using meta cuz this feels like one of your katze reads
AKA your reads where you fos someone just bc they trick you as wolf the game before or bc you know they're a good wolf

I'm a good wolf because I'm a total control freak and even though I've tried, I can't not take charge on a wolf team. Me not knowing what's going on and kind of scraping by never happens as mafia. You could call it wifom or think I'm faking it or whatever, but it's just not how that works. Even in this player list, I would probably feel the need to carry in a potential scum team. It's a bit of a yikes reason to read me, but it actually works. Apart from that, wtf have I done that's mafia indicative at all. Writing this to Ilario and whoever. I also gives me pleasure that mafia will have to fight to keep me in the PoE.

Ilario, why are you lame?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:38 pm Yeah, I noticed that too. Though it speaks more to Jimmay being scum than Anne's alignment. I mean, Jimmay could be bussing or placing a vote on a town wagon. However, if I stretch a bit perhaps, he did ask questions that was framed more as "why is Anne town?" so that might be partnery. And then coming back to vote Anne anyway, maybe after contemplating bussing. But that's speculative. But I could see it.
Yeah but why doesn't he take me and Rabbit townreading Anne as an excuse to not vote her if they're partnered? Along the lines of "These 2 think Anne is town so I'll sheep them since they're active voices and they might be town" type of thing. Like I don't see why he would say he'll "Ponder about our townread of Anne" then proceed to literally vote her like 10 minutes later. That's not really "pondering" that's just "Toss a vote on a majority wagon."

It was clear he didn't really take into account what you two were saying anyhow. But if it was a bus vote or a vote on town, I don't know. I think it could be both.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:14 am Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if pg 54 is w/w from dizzy and spf the whole interaction just feels weird and neither is trying to solve each other despite actively thinking the other is wolfy and then they somehow end up on a lame anne vote

Or you could get over your omg dizzy scum thing cause it lame

Why no vote Anne?

I was so sure Marmot was scum, but now I'm not so sure. Will try to let that read simmer in my mind

[VOTE: Anne] aubergine

Doing this for now. Will have to read D2 tomorrow, hope I have the time.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Though it speaks more to Jimmay being scum than Anne's alignment. I mean, Jimmay could be bussing or placing a vote on a town wagon. However, if I stretch a bit perhaps, he did ask questions that was framed more as "why is Anne town?" so that might be partnery. And then coming back to vote Anne anyway, maybe after contemplating bussing. But that's speculative. But I could see it.

I wish it was not 4.30 am here, cause I kind of want to know what Mac has been up to since D1, cause his D1 sucked in my humble opinion. As did mine, but I'm gayer.

Is Nutella tunnelling Cass lol wtf Nut stop that

Can someone confirm that when Jimmay voted Anne, she was the leading wagon?

@staypositivefriend What is your read on Lime now?

God, I read slowly.

I read D1.

I don't know.

Town:
Calexa
Illeetic
Nutella
Falcon

Lighter town:
NAA
iaafr
Wilgy (But honestly, thinking that shooting the IC is a good shot smells like town justifying themselves psychologically to me kind of maybe. Wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy is just town. Also Jimmay kind of lightly spewed them town. Actually fuck it, I'm moving Wilgy to lighter town)

Not quite sure would like words about:
Marmot
SPF
Lime

PoE:
Mac
Anne
Esooa

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I will probably explain at some point, if it's not already in my ISO.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:18 pmDo you think that, up until the last couple hours, that you belonged outside the POE? Your play was, as far as I recall from previous games where I've seen you as town, not comparable to those games meta-wise.

I don't really know how else to explain the cassandra thing. I jumped on it because I thought it was a slip. I did the same thing to nutella today (and I wasn't the only one).

Go through my ISO looking for Jay's name.

But anyway, I'll let you get to EOD. I think anyone who is familiar with my scum game can probably recognize that I'm well outside of it rn, but that's just TMI on my part I guess.

My play here is comparable to many of my town games and exactly none of my scum games tbh.
But yeah, I can technically high post and do the dizzy champs play as town too.

Also, this is funny, cause I was about to say something like how fast can I backtrack on my Marmot read, cause I'm growing unsure and should probably just not post takes until I'm caught up, but I'm doing it anyway

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:13 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:11 am i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh
also there's an interesting synchronicity between illario and leetic's claim and mac and falcon's claim even if they arent exactly identical. i would speculate that it is improbable for there to be 2 pairs of players that can become confirmed town to each other (to a certain extent), but anything can happen in a role madness setup

LiGhT rOlE mAdNeS

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:31 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pm they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?

Is this TMI?

[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine
We must not forget that Marmot went from hard town reading Calexa to an absurd accusation about TMI. The accusation is weak in the first place, and I don't believe that Marmot had this much of a problem with Calexa's wordage of "confirmed town to each other" that he literally just forgot what he had just said:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:08 pmcassandra - This feels like an easy read. I've played with alexa once (though I don't remember much about her there), but I'm seeing a lot of extended back-and-forths here, and a number of reads that are being adjusted as the game progresses in a believable way. Feels town.
Also, all of Marmot's posts are scummy. Including, but not limited to dogging me and Sloonei when we weren't even playing.

Are you freaking kidding me? You're not playing the game, what is the issue with me dogging you? Seriously, that's a weak reason to scumread me.

As for the cassandra thing, I thought she TMI'd falcon/Mac. Usually when you think someone TMI's someone else as an alignment, it's because they are mafia and know that they're that alignment, no?? Yes I had a TR on her before that, but I thought she slipped, before thinking more about it later on and realizing I was probably just tunneling. I don't understand the problem with it.

You should be able to read me better than that Dizzy.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:40 pm I'm going to sum up Marmot's town game in a sentence, and yall can judge if this game is in line with that:

"I'll be back tonight, don't burn the house down till I get back"

Naturally, I grab the matches as soon as I hear that, but this Marmot is completely different and seems to feel the need to demonstrate their investment in the game at every turn, not only that, but their cases have been far more extensive than I've ever seen from town!marmot in terms of regular elaboration.

This is an apples&oranges comparison, because the games you're comparing it to are the games where I was mod-confirmed town in LYLO. Also, in those games, there were hammers. There are no hammers here, why would I take that approach? Anyway, I realize those are the only two games we've been town together in, but those are not common situations for a player to be in. (Usually I'm the one getting chopped in LYLO lol).

Also, if you think back to Fleabag Mafia, I did put extensive effort into solving the game. You'll recall I hopped on the hunt-for-spew train when JJJ did after we flipped SoA and ??? (I forget who the other scum we chopped was).

The issue is that you're trying to find reasons to have me in the PoE or to scum read me, while I'm firmly outside scum meta. You do claim to be able to read me.

I think you mean TMI Leetic/Illario.
In any case, the problem is that I think it's fake. You found something easy to jump on, and I've seen you do that as scum before. It doesn't even make sense to think of it as a so called slip. Especially not if you were supposedly convinced the slot was town from beforehand.

I think I'm able to read you actually.

I think you did more and better analysis in Fleabag. Your tone is stiff, your approach to Jimmay was to call him scum, but not following through (so far - haven't read to EoD) and you're generally just giving off all the scum!Marmot vibes. To be continued.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:38 pm Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

This was real bad I hope you have done better

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:57 pm... or if a role that works differently if it is on town or mafia would be included...

Mine do

Will Leetic/Ilario die together?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:35 pmoh i thought you guys had done that whole scumread each other thing when you both have godreads on each other thing never mind then

also that wasn't a mind meld i just think who the fuck is brad has great meme potential

I have no god read on SPF and I don't think she has one on me either. I would like to get one though.

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:33 pmeh yeah as i said before this was weird AF. at the time it struck me as possibly TWTBAW because like why the fuck are you jumping on your top townread (who has no votes) over that, but maybe not?

I think he just forgot that he was supposed to be reading you town, because it's fake. So far I feel uncharacteristically certain that Marmot is scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:28 pm so there's always a wolf between spf and dizzy so that's neat

also who the fuck is brad?

Why? I don't really scum read SPF tbh, but don't tell her that.

Also sick mind meld.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pm they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each other
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim

Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?

Is this TMI?

[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine

We must not forget that Marmot went from hard town reading Calexa to an absurd accusation about TMI. The accusation is weak in the first place, and I don't believe that Marmot had this much of a problem with Calexa's wordage of "confirmed town to each other" that he literally just forgot what he had just said:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:08 pmcassandra - This feels like an easy read. I've played with alexa once (though I don't remember much about her there), but I'm seeing a lot of extended back-and-forths here, and a number of reads that are being adjusted as the game progresses in a believable way. Feels town.

Also, all of Marmot's posts are scummy. Including, but not limited to dogging me and Sloonei when we weren't even playing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 am This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.
lol Jay wolfing
[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

I actually think the idea that jay is off has been overblown and he's been largely fine so far and has given thoughts that appear real enough. Mac has done...not that.

Maybe I'm a doofus, but I tend to think Nut is too paranoid of a player (as mafia as well) to be throwing Jimmay bones like this, when a lot of the game has been calling him mafia or talking about how "off" he is. I think Nut is just town. I think she had votes and I don't think I will like that.

Kind of hate Marmot's entrance to the game tbh so that's interesting. Will see how the feeling develops.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:33 pmyah, why is it wolfy for me to townread cassandra for voicing an unspoken opinion that the rest of the thread had agreed with? do you really think that i wouldn't make an observation like that as town? and my post about jimmy being "jimmy-conscious" is silly, because it was obviously conscious of jimmy regardless of my alignment - i felt like he was off, and i expressed it
You kind of missed the point. It was the tag on about how others were echoing her Jimmay read that pinged me. You expressed waffles.
is it not reasonable for me to say: "i think that jagged is off too but i dont know his alignment yet - i'll figure it out later" a couple of hours into the game? wouldn't it be weirder if my stance on him at that stage in the game WASN'T waffly? the notion that being waffly or being uncertain a couple of hours into the game is mind-boggling to me

IT IS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE AND YOU ARE OUTED MAFIA GOOD DAY

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:33 pm uh oh, im backsliding into making self-defensive posts instead of scumhunting. i'll try to avoid that in the future but it's hard to not respond to people wolfreading me for reasons that drive me crazy lol

I can wolf read you for not being as gay as me if that makes it worse

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:33 pmyah, why is it wolfy for me to townread cassandra for voicing an unspoken opinion that the rest of the thread had agreed with? do you really think that i wouldn't make an observation like that as town? and my post about jimmy being "jimmy-conscious" is silly, because it was obviously conscious of jimmy regardless of my alignment - i felt like he was off, and i expressed it

You kind of missed the point. It was the tag on about how others were echoing her Jimmay read that pinged me. You expressed waffles.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:16 amhe clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo

This is what I thought

I should make a running town list, and if I can't remember why someone is on it when I'm caught up, my memory is bad and I'll remove them I guess.

Town:
Calexa
Illeetic
iaafr

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:20 pm based on vibes dizzy is town

which I'm 3 for 3 on so far (2 town 1 wolf)

The real dizzy whisperer tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:16 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:13 pmalright, then why do you scumread me?
Because you noticed stuff that was going on around Jimmay in a scummy way.

That said, I'm not done catching up, so I haven't made my mind up about anything. Just poking you since you were here. I do love a good omgus fest.
what does the bolded actually mean? it's vague enough to basically be gibberish. why did i notice stuff about jimmy in a "scummy" way?

also for the record i don't necessarily think that youre a wolf and even mildly townleaned you throughout d1, but im pressuring you hard right now because the reads that you're posting seem overly insincere and like you're just poking at me because you think i'm a pushable target. we'll see if you change my mind when you start posting other thoughts

I'll give you a hint: This is basically start of D1 for me.

And you town read Calexa because she expressed Jimmay being "off" first, while noting 3-4 others echoed these thoughts. That plus your waffle on Jimmay felt a bit Jimmay-conscious to me. Mafia being more intend with how their teammates are coming across in thread blah blah. Devil's advocate, the waffling post might be a bit too weak for your scum game if you are indeed mafia tbh tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:13 pmalright, then why do you scumread me?

Because you noticed stuff that was going on around Jimmay in a scummy way.

That said, I'm not done catching up, so I haven't made my mind up about anything. Just poking you since you were here. I do love a good omgus fest.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:11 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:04 pm SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.
if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks
That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.
nah, i'm saying that if you are a wolf in this game then you are probably reasonably boxed in and need to get me chopped or POE'd at some point in this game in order to achieve your win condition. the first read that youve outed upon catching up with the game is a lazy and overconfident sounding wolfread on me, which tracks with how i would expect you to be playing as a wolf

and i dont think that either of us believe that you posting game-related content on d2 makes you an IC

That's all useless cause I'm town. And I wouldn't be boxed in if I was wolf, cause I'm too cool and too gay

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 pmWhy are you the player that I have the least reason to townread?

Because you play a very abc game, scum reading anything that isn't performing townness. I can perform townness well as both alignment - ask around. Anyway, please be patience while I read D1 and I'll get back to you.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:09 pmlooool id like to see you try to get me killed in this game dizzy, if this is the route that u wanna go down then it's not gonna be easy for u

Urmom

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:08 pmIf you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

Sorry. I should play to my mafia meta more so people can listen to me.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:04 pm SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.
if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:58 pm jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out

How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:03 pm @Dyslexicon I'm going to need you to vote Marmot

I'll see what I can do. I may be able to read the Marmot.

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:58 pm anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?

How come you are so incredibly gay?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:58 pm if dyslexicon doesnt give us the full scumteam within the next 10 minutes then he should be killed immediately

I haven't even checked scum chat for my team calm down gay

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:53 pm Hey Dizzy, why you hardly play?

I've been busy, hungover and the game hasn't really interested me. I'm reading right now though. Will read D1 first, see what I think.

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:47 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:11 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:50 pmuwu
requoting for emphasis
I'll switch to [VOTE: VOTE:STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND] aubergine. Clearly, you should have more to say than this.

I'll switch to [VOTE: VOTE:STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND] aubergine. Clearly, you should have more to say than this.

Have you been a brad boy?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:48 pm Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

Never mind. Me so topical

Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

Alexa is obv town is all I know so far. Game reading is in progress, going slow because it's kind of boring tbh. Hopefully will get to juicy stuff later.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:40 pm i will probably scumread jay on d1 and then decide he's in town meta on d2

the inverse of silverkeith

Also, this is a very early post from Nutella which seems strange to make if you know Jimmay is scum tbh tbh

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:55 am I have quite a lot of time on my hands today, and my goal is to read this whole fucking thing and come with whatever perspectives for whatever that's worth. I'm just going to pity myself some more for having the worst hangover ever.
I'm expecting Big Things outta you, don't let me down plz

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