The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:27 pm also the game just ended where guillo fooled TF out of me as a wolf, and when i realized he was a wolf there, that was part of what spurred my push because I realized almost anything is in his wolf range.

Oof.

I don't know if I can bear to go back and read EoD, but probably still will at some point

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:23 pmThis is a terrible way to read hk and something he's been actively mitigating.

hk has a consistent depth of thought that he isn't flaunting.

You know, actually yes. HK might be more involved as scum. He hasn't really stood out to me in any way and I don't remember a lot of what he has done, no shade. But that might not be a bad thing in itself for HK. I know this is not what you said, but it's what I'm saying

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pmIn his scum game, I seem to recall him pushing a much harder agenda and was a lot stiffer in how he interacted. In the town game I have seen, he just seems detached from everything and that reminds me a little bit of that. It's mainly meta which isn't strong.

Only scummy thing I remember was the marmot interaction I had with him

Alright. I don't really have a strong feeling either way. I actually think I liked part of his iso, or rather, I liked some posts particularly that seemed like town and not mafia would say, which should way heavier, so you might be right. I don't like him repeating a scum read on me when I'm pretty sure he doesn't know my play very well, as I don't know his. That seems "agenda-y", though I kind of hate that word.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:21 pm I don't get the Belzy townreads

She derped. And it looked like a genuine derp in the moment. I haven't gone back to recheck it. I think she's probably towny in other ways, but tbh I just assumed the derp was real.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pmCreature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.
Why is that silly? I should look into HK though. My list is instinct, and it probably works way better than overthinking.
I just think they're both obvious town

But why do you think that? Can it be expressed?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:17 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm If you guys want to articulate concerns about me into something I can respond to, by all means go for it.

Otherwise shush.
Really weird vibes tbh
Articulate better because that's obviously not good enough. I am consciously playing a *bit* differently than I usually do but not so much so that I should be attracting a 'weird vibes' read from you, imo.

It got worse.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show
Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show
Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show
Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show
Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy
hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:16 pmi like this list for the most part

i'm at leaning town on creature and lp at this point, would swap in porscha and.... idk guillo?

I don't think Porscha. Maybe I'm missing something with Guillo and I just think I can read him while I actually can't. I probably haven't payed too much attention to his posts after I decided he was town tbh

Can someone explain why Creature is town?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm If you guys want to articulate concerns about me into something I can respond to, by all means go for it.

Otherwise shush.

Really weird vibes tbh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:14 pmWhat about the hydra?

The hydra missed the cut. I think Mac was towny D1. Do you suspect the hydra?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pmCreature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.

Why is that silly? I should look into HK though. My list is instinct, and it probably works way better than overthinking.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm Radishes is freaking me out ngl

I had the same feeling. That analysis.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show
Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show
Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

Radish, are you actually a wolf?

112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:05 pm I think Dyslexicon is wolf here

We need to look on who was vote hopping yesterday especially because I feel all proposed CFDs were town and wolves were having fun with the chaos

Try me, Brenda. I have eight votes!

Can we still change our votes? I want to vote eight people lol

Omg fuck yeah the multichop! I've always wanted this to be a mechanic in big games it is SO much better. Thank you Nook for adding that, I think I've complained about it in every large game I've played. Lol I'm excited for that. Inb4 hitting 4 town ChAmPs

Not fucking Sean again.

Vote Ender?

Probably Ender

Eh. I don't mind the Wilgy wagon either ftr.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:45 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:44 pm Going back to my actual guts

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine
sell me

Read the first part of his iso and scan for the energy in it. If you have the time. Also his answer to me about me having a funeral for my emotion reading or whatever, that's maybe personal to me but it hit really weird.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:41 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:40 pm Don't kill Porscha, I will explain later.
Tell me who to kill and don't tell me me.
I wanna say c4 but c4 got zero votes, so Axe I guess to save Porscha

If Porscha is indeed town, you might even be right. Don't think that will happen now though, and it's not a vote I'd feel confident in.

Going back to my actual guts

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:40 pm Don't kill Porscha, I will explain later.

Tell me who to kill and don't tell me me.

I voted Porscha before it was cool.

Spoiler: show

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:15 pm In only 10 posts, Porscha has

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:31 pm hi guys. glad to see this is like 30-something pages in already lol...

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:49 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:47 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:45 pm I only read on radish there to clarify
How much of the thread have you read?
about a quarter of it

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:58 pm Might not get to all of the day 1 posts. Amazing amount of posts already tbh, more than I expected even with all these people lol. Sorry if I dont quite catch all of them, but I'll do my best to read as much as I can. And a lot of my reads early on are pretty superficial since there is so much going on, I won't be hard reading this early. Not trying to go too crazy day 1 hehe.
An unnatural number of posts about how they're behind
(Middle one was prompted tho so less bad)

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:42 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:45 pm I have a red on radishes kill him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pmI cc
I town read this
yeah that's actual comedy. I don't see a reason to not town read radish atm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:45 pm I only read on radish there to clarify
A TMIey Radish read

Particularly the wording of "I don't see a reason not to townread _______"
That's literally not how townreads work and it especially makes no sense when your reason is "this post is funny" and even more so when you obviously haven't read the rest of his posts

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:05 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup
hey gamer what's poppin
You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?
laugh and a half, and whether I was or wasn't I'd be saying no either way. seems like a silly question
This overly self-aware response, but could be explained by an MS mentality or something similar

Just all seems pretty wolfy

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:49 pm Okay I found the stuff

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:34 pm >I straight up said that any reads I make early are not hard reads and I'll reiterate again that they should not be taken seriously. you didnt bother pushing hollowkat on it even though they said the same thing as me, which is that, "That's why I town read it. I'm not saying "this is a god read" I'm saying this made me laugh and I town read laughs." - I am in agreement with Hk on this and would also like my take to be read the same way.
Don't care that you had the read or how strong it was, I know villagers are gonna have weird reads and particularly for sense of humor. What I care about is how you justified it, and I think that should've been pretty obvious from what I wrote.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:34 pm >I'm not sure how this can be read as "overly self aware" when a majority of the players have no reason to claim wolf day 1, including myself. I'm not wolf, but I think it's a waste of time to just straight up ask any player that right now. I hope that explains my thoughts in a way that makes sense to you.
Reasonable.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:34 pm Yeah, not going to apologize for trying to play catch up on the ridiculous amount of day 1 posts and making it known that I'm not caught up yet, but trying to contribute. That's where I am right now, and I'm straight chilling since it's a day 1 flooded with posts and players.
Again, obviously not the point I was making. Not being caught up is fine. I'm not caught up. What makes it wolfy is when almost half of your posts are saying you're not caught up. "Hey guys I'm not caught up yet. I still have to catch up. Wow there are so many posts that I'll read later while catching up. By the way did you know I'm not caught up?"

@dyachei On Porscha

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:35 pm whats the case on porscha?

c4 had stuff in his iso hold on

Can we discuss something else than the Alison shot

Please

Thank you

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:32 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

flash wagon time

Towny minmeld

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:29 pmI'm sorry for your ability to read emotion from posts.

I hope the grave for it is comfortable.

What are your better choices, on instinct or reason or whatever? And don't say me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:28 pm Alexa honestly probably mafia because I feel like shooting a red check on D1 on the person clearest from Mamrot spew is mildly outside her townrange.

But at the same time I feel like wolf!Alexa would be more circumspect.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't think Alexa is mafia, but it was a very bad shot. But I think she's heard that a lot of times now.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:27 pmWhy the hell did you fake a red on the person CLEAREST from Marmot spew????????????????

Yeah, actually, that's what I said. Except not that many question marks.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:24 pmIf I get voted out after being one of only 4 people trying to push flipped mafia then w/e.

Also just because I memed doesn't excuse people for ignoring my reads and calling me troll.

You think Marmot voters are all clear? I think voting Marmot who was already under suspicion is pretty easy.

That's not why I'm voting you though. Reading your iso you felt straight up nervous especially the first half.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:20 pm Also whoever shot Alison better be mafia.

I have read nothing since I popped in to talk to Dizzy last night.

If you are town, now is a great time to show it!

Also I kind of want to vote Porscha now

I should double check my take on Sean actually

Thread is moving so fast I'm getting gayer

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:04 pm nut, I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record saying this, but that's because it keeps happening.

You need to find a way to read me that isn't "c4 is town because his posts are towny, until he says something I disagree with, at which point he's a TMIing wolf". It would be understandable if that had literally ever worked on v!me, but it hasn't. Dumb tinfoils like this would be more understandable if they were on someone who's actually a good wolf, but I don't know what could possibly make you think I am. My best wolf game ever is the one where I spent entire cycles shitposting and 20-posted in F3.

If it is in fact the redcheck thing you're hanging onto, I don't even need to say how dumb calling that TMIey is.

This is probably the most I'll talk about this one thing today for everyone's sanity.

I think I like this post, the part about saying they're not a good wolf. It's rare for scum to do boasting lies ime.

Didn't get much out of c4's iso tbh. Except I didn't really hate his case on Porscha and apparently I skipped it before even though he posted it multiple times lol

On balance town enough for me.

I'll read c4

I feel like there's quite a few people who think Axe is probably just town doing Axe things again though

Ender, Wilgy, LP all acceptable chops on the top of my head.

So NAA faked a fake red on Alison and Alexa shot her, she flipped town, and then some arguing.

I don't understand either the fake or shot on Alison. I think she was called out as someone who was likely cleared from Marmot by a few. So that was not good.

It seems Axe is softing a role that has to red check people. I don't really believe him. In any case, I also think he's most likely town. I'd say town or 3p, but probably not mafia unfortunately. I'd rather not chop there even if it's tempting, cause I could so easily see him flip town here and the thread just getting more tilted from it from here.

Only skimmed the last pages, if I missed something else important please let me know.

Also I didn't defend Marmot lol. And I didn't want to get whiny this game. And I have visitors now being like lol what are you going through

Actually, if it's possible Belzy legit derped as scum, it's not impossible she's in fact scum here. She tunnels me as mafia as well. And she's very good as mafia. I do remember thinking the derp was legit when it happened though, so don't run away with this. Just way for further down the line, don't get completely blind.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:53 pmI find Dizzy his case on Ender weak, and he avoids a live conversation about which would have been more solving. Instead he just multi quote some Ender posts to make a case, and I've seen scummies do that.

You are a marvel to behold. I really fucking hope Ender is scum here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:41 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:40 pmWhy Ender?
It would be very cool if you could read my posts, even though you're so very good at reading me and sure I'm scum.
I opened the door to have a live conversation about your Ender case, and you immediately closed that door. You could have said you already made your case, but you prefer in a 3k posts game to zing me whenever I as an ADD case don't instance remember every little detail.

Please get some perspective. I am not the one closing the door on you. I will not feel bad for you. I literally need to go now. Good luck with your solving in the meantime. Would love to hear what you think of Ender.

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