The Syndicate

Dom wrote:Hello, Frog. I am Dom.

I am your moderator on Duty and am reading the game to make sure everyone has fun and no one is an asshat. I'm not here to punish anyone. I'm here to mediate conflict and be a punching bag. PM me if you have anymore questions or need to punch a bag.

This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Let's wagon Golden then. Only because of love and support, naturally.

VOTE GOLDEN

Dyslexicon wrote:

Spoiler: show

Silverwolf wrote:I just woke up and am still a little cranky but I have to rant for a bit cuz it's bugging me and will make me feel better:

In Turf Wars, I went after low content lurkers and turned out to be right that some of them were scum. I was basically discredited by townies in that game as being tinfoil because those posters had low content and they kept going after each other and the wrong people. Even after I was killed, they ignored me.

My MP vote was to get a reaction out of him. I DO NOT appreciate Golden's insinuations that I was going after him for RL which I would never do. Golden kept twisting it to that and it pissed me off. There was nothing wrong with my vote and I have no idea of MP's alignment-I'm gonna go read all his posts a little later-but I DO NOT appreciate Golden interfering with my vote and interaction with MP and defending MP the way he did. If MP is town and Golden is town, it's fine but there is no way for Golden to know that unless he's scum.

I think he's scum who knows MP's alignment. It's the only way for him to be that defensive of him because it's way too early with too little content to get a read on MP so he's not defending a townread as town.

He's a damn good player. As scum, it is easy to get into an argument and be all logical and level headed and look like town. Who's to say he didn't do that? That said, I'm gonna read all the reactions to is and see what others thing. I incorrectly tunneled Golden in Turf Wars when he was town and even though I realized that and backed off then, I don't want to make the same mistake here. Also, us tunneling back and forth will get us nowhere. I need to get some reads on and ISO others today.

ika defending me is null, he defends me all the time but I need to see more than just defending me here from him when he can post properly again

Have you read my posts on this topic before writing this?

Silver, this was for you in case you didn't see it.

I'm a bit bothered that noone has had more than 3 votes at a point (iirc). I'm not used to that at all. We need more wagons. We need clear lynch candidates.

ika wrote:hello everyone i jsut got up but i am about to head out shortly i have been skimming the thread ever so slightly and one of the thing the newer players seem to be not knowing is me and SW background

me and SW knwo each other IRL and met online and we are dating, do not use that in the game though, there is a reaosn this is in off topic, last time it got mentioned in turf we both got upset in game. i do not use it as a reason to read her

Kind of assumed that tbh. It's relevant information to the people who don't know you, so thanks for that. Also would like your thoughts on everything and anything not Silver-related.

Have you read my posts on this topic before writing this?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Okay, cool, thanks.

In order to help me solve the game and feel comfortable that I can start substantively reading players (particularly in the early stages of the game), I've found that I like to engage other players in live conversation, particularly after I've recently caught up on a bunch of content, and unfortunately I haven't been able to do that yet.

Likely I'll be working on a rainbow list once I'm caught up as well. Helps me sort my thoughts on everyone and keeps me transparent. And I always like feedback on it, though usually only Golden gives it to me.

I see. I'm partial to rainbow lists. I often do them as well, it's quite common on PerC. However, I don't think I'm going to do one here, cause I just don't feel like it now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dizzy, how long are you going to be around? Same question goes for anyone else reading this thread currently.

I want to be able to discuss reads live with someone once I'm finished catching up.

I'm around (multitasking, but around). Don't know for how long, cause I can't stand having to plan my life. Maybe I'll fancy going out dancing in the park soon. But I guess I can more or less guarantee I'll be around for at least a couple of hours.

What is your reason for wanting to discuss reads live?

I guess Zebra, Wilgy, Golden, Ika, Inaword, LC and sig are in my suspicion pile atm.

MP could be but he is totally cute so he is excused *buddies*
Metal and Soneji null for obvious reasons.

I have reads. I have the best reads. (someone please take this joke)

Sig seems less town to me than before. Null read. Gives relatievly little.

Inaword, Why is your vote on a complete lurker? You have like no game content so far, just being lol haha flowers yay.

VOTE INAWORDYES

DrWilgy wrote:Omoshiroi

Frog you amuse me. I'm in agreement with this plan.

If you're agreeing with this you're one of the people who is up for a lynch. Good idea?

Also, if you agree, then why is your vote not on anyone? Are you caught up with the thread?

Zexy, What do you think about the notion that Frog expected you to clear him based on meta?

Also would really like a link to a town game of yours, Frog.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What is a TMI post?

Too much information. Like "But mafia could just block them with their roleblocker!"
The example Frog gave doesn't necessarily read TMI to me. I think I tend to talk to people like they are town in most instances naturally. Cause I'm just that much of a trusting, warm and kind individual.

How long until day end?

I'm thoroughly over Ika defending Silver at any given chance. Can someone just clarify what their relationship normally is in games? It's bizarre as hell.

Ika should contribute something else.

Between the whole Silver/Golden discussion my thoughts are roughly this: First of all I didn't really see anything wrong with the MP vote. Second, none of Golden's questions were unreasonable or misrepping or whatever else Silver called it, it was just normal questioning. Reacting in this way seems to be normal for Silver though as I read it. All in all Silver reads townish to me, even if I don't agree with how she takes Golden's questioning. She seems to be putting herself in a position of being above questioning. Which she is not. Still reads more town to me. Golden however is if he is scum given a golden opportunity (see what I did there? :3) to defend himself in a way that makes logical sense all the way and he could objectively defend his position.
However my question is: Golden, do you still suspect Silver?
I also note that Golden is slightly apologetic in this interaction for "ticking Silver off" (which I don't think he needs to be cause he did nothing wrong). He may just be a polite young gentleman, but it reads a bit guilty mindset.
Like, I find it really hard to trust Golden, and I don't know whether I'm paranoid or not.

I don't know if this thought process will make sense to anyone.

a2thezebra wrote:That's his meta, it's null. Same with anything I do that seems peculiar or suspicious.

Who's "he" here? LC?

Golden wrote:"Immediately defend a buddy at such an early stage"

This is exactly when subtle defence of baddies does happen - and, let me make it very clear, Zexy did NOT defend sig. She criticised sloonei. These things are different. I wouldn't expect to see it on day three. In the very early going? All the time.

Zexy wouldn't be the first baddie I've caught that way, not by a long shot.

Fair enough. I'm not convinced by your argument, but I haven't gone back and looked at the particular interaction *writing that in my imaginary notebook, decorated with unicorns and rainbows*

Frog wrote:However- going to have to agree with you. Ore flip associations are usually lol. But let the ENTP in me lay out all of the tinfoils anyway!!!

You're ENTP? You should join PersonalityCafe lol \o/

sig wrote:Also

Vote Unvote

I mislike Wilgy's vote, but can't tell if this is his normal lovable town shenanigans or mafia pretending to be lovable town while avoiding any vote.

ika wrote:Golden stop voting silver, it's only going to irritate her, you saw turf.

Do you and Silver know each other? Cause you're only focus so far is defending her.
Can you talk more about what reads you have on other people?

Silverwolf wrote:Golden, I suggest you read my fucking posts before you ask questions. One thing that will irritate me to now end is not getting time to read, post, and develop my reads. You immediately attacking me is scum motivation as it distracts me from doing that. Anyone who knows me knows that. I welcome interaction, I welcome questioning, but being attacked, voted, misrepped, for simply asking a question will set me off and piss me off to no end.

I don't know about Golden's alignment, but he has done nothing but normal mafia game things. You should be able to deal with being questioned and even misunderstood IMO. Happens every game. Just my two cents.

Sloonei wrote: I look too town to you?

No? You kind of look like scum!me. It's a good look. Read MP's meta of you and taking that into account and well, which makes me more inclined to distrust my distrust, if I am to take the meta at face value (which I'm inclined to do).

a2thezebra wrote:Frog can deny it all he wants, but the methods he's using to base his vote are absolutely advocating a policy lynch.

Thats lol. But I agree with (what I presume to be) the idea, that post count in itself isn't really what counts, but the content. Players can have few posts and good content, or many posts and low content. Kind of like how very many of Frog's posts are talking about strategy or telling people how he expects town to play. (Not saying that is a scum thing for him, just an example.)

However, a lot of the low posters here have provided nothing. Which makes me have a sad. =(

Also I'm not sure it's a myth that lower posters are more likely to be scum, I think there's a slight lean towards this in most communities. However, some people will post a lot or little regardless of their alignment.

The problem with lynching people with no content is that there is little to no information to gain from it. If we lynch X who hasn't posted shit and they flip town, what then? I really discourage lurking though, and if there is a vig I always advocate them to consider hitting lurkers.

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Speaking fo lurkers, I dislike how PSI has not contributed anything for so long, especially since he was called lean town of a couple of people. Why taking a rest?

I'm dead tired, so I'm going to do some sleeping. Which incidentally is my favorite activety. Lucky me!

People I'm scowling the most at for now is: Sloonei (if anyone has extended meta here, slam it in my face) and Long con.

I'm not trusting Golden, but I couldn't tell you why. The thought that Zexy would immediately defend a buddy at such an early stage is a bit strange to me (Zexy recently said this as well). Haven't seen anything particularly town from the wolf avatar (sorry I'm bad at names)

And all of the lurkers.

I feel I don't know people well enough to have real town reads, but if I were to be a crazy cat I'd put Marco, PSI and sig as townish and maybe even Frog and Zexy. Wow. Much reads. *compulsively gives reads*

Good night.

Frog, Can you explain your read shift on Zexy?

I really want a code for calling out players, it would be much easier to see. (On PerC we have mentions, so you literally get a notification on the site if someone mentions you). Can I color names purple?

Marco wrote:I didn't. Because he hasn't posted anything yet. That's characteristic of him. He enjoys the monotony of reading gazillion posts at once, picking out what interest him, and then make a post quoting a couple of people with his reads based on those posts.

Yeah, sorry, I thought you were talking about Sloonei. I will be looking forward to the Soneji catch up then.

Do you mean this?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Long Con wrote:Seems like an attempt to get through loopholes. I wouldn't allow it as a host.

You'd rather have the mafia NK pr before they have the chance to share useful information?Well that's a town mindset if I ever saw one!
+ It's totally fair play, but probably messy in this setup (which I'll get back to why I think)

I didn't quite understand what you're referring to when you say mindslip. And on that note, could you list the various color tags, like orange for sarcasm, I presume.

I mean having the mindset of a scum, so thinking like one. The post Long con replied to put Hypo claiming in a positive light (afair), something that helps town. He responded with that it seemed like trying to get through loopholes and he'd disallow it (presumably because it would be unfair to the mafia that town would get that advantage). So that is a scummy mindset, or taking scum's side if you will. Does that make sense?

These things can be stretch, maybe. But it is something I noticed. And nothing else Long con has said has made me think town on him.

Frog wrote:Surprised at how little interaction Dislexia is getting after those fierce posts. :-P
Spidey senses are a-tingling

Fierce, darlin, fierce!

Dyslexicon wrote:

Marco wrote:I only know Soneji as we both come from the same board and have played dozens of games together. I think we both read each other pretty well, as we've also been on the same scum team 4-5 times (won each game too), but we're not infallible.

I don't consider the exact setup standard (semi-open nature with 1 out of possible 12 setups), but I've played some of the possible setups and am more than familiar with each role.

Thanks. Did you already state your read of Soneji (if you have one)? I don't recall.

Oooops, I thought Sloonei and Soneji was the same player, just different versions of the username. I see now that they are two seperate people. I did not mean to make them conjioned twins.

Marco wrote:I only know Soneji as we both come from the same board and have played dozens of games together. I think we both read each other pretty well, as we've also been on the same scum team 4-5 times (won each game too), but we're not infallible.

I don't consider the exact setup standard (semi-open nature with 1 out of possible 12 setups), but I've played some of the possible setups and am more than familiar with each role.

Thanks. Did you already state your read of Soneji (if you have one)? I don't recall.

Also, do you guys use countdown timers here, or do we have to memorize when day ends? (Cause I'm totes lazy like that).

Can we talk about Long con's possible mindslip that I pointed out in my catchup somewhere? Is it a thing, or not a thing? Is it the tooth fairy, perhaps?

Golden wrote:I gut read this as being both a attempt to get sloonei to back off sig, but also a justification to scumread sloonei if he doesn't back off sig.

Oh it was from the same thing. I see. Don't know if I agree. Zexy is pretty null to me anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't have an overview over who knows who, who's from here and how familiar this type of setup is to people, and I'd really like to have that.

So I'll just state that:
- I've played a couple of games with PSI.
- I'm not from here (but I really like the site *buddies everyone)
- I consider this setup pretty standard.

And if other would like to share that would be appreciated.

Golden wrote:Agree that, if we hypo, we need to agree on the role list for which its actually useful. Might be doctor and tracker only?

Meh, I already vote we don't do it, but if we did either cop only, or investigative only + jailer IF there are no NK. But that are my in this second thoughts, and I vote for just having a tea party instead. And I really need to stop talking about this.

Lol, who doesn't love a big grumpy cat?

Anyway, Golden can you talk more about the if Zexy is scum Sloonei is town thing? (I got the sig as scum)

Marco wrote:Format for copy/pasting if and when people want to hypo.

Town Jailkeeper N1 ; N2 ; N3
Town Cop N0 ; N1; N2 ; N3
Town Doctor N1 ; N2 ; N3
Town Tracker N1 ; N2 : N3
Town Vigilante N1 ; N2 ; N3
Town Bodyguard N1 ; N2 ; N3
2-Shot Town Jailkeeper N1 ; N2 ; N3
Town Even Night Vig N2 ; N4

Really though. You can maybe make an argument for hypoing cop, but the reward is not high enough imo for the fuzz. Some of these roles are totally useless to hypo imo. Like bodyguard, doctor and vig.

Let's make a wagon on Sloonei!

VOTE SLOONEI

Just caught up.

Quick thoughts:
Between the whole Frog, Marco, Sloonei deal I'm most suspicious of Sloonei. His posts reads calculated, and more about showing as town than being town (?). In all the meta game discussion I agree with him, and I can see his playstyle as quite similar to mine (believe it or not :3), and he kind of looks like me when I'm scum. Early iffy read.

Marco looked a bit weird at first with the reluctance to vote others, and I always frown at unvotes. But his explanations makes sense, and him misunderstanding and thus rejecting Frog's claiming plan because town wouldn't know what to claim looks town (unless it's very cleverly planned).

Frog looks townish just due to the fact that he is completely seeing his own angle. However, I think his "logic" as he refers to it is only one side of the issues his bringing up. His Marco "slip" is not a slip. There also are risks to the claiming plan he suggests. He also ignored Marco's first explanation that Marco was merely correcting sig's interpretation of whatever post that was. (Which btw, I agree with, cause I remember having the same kind of thoughts about it). I don't know if scum would play this way, cause it reads genuine, even if I disagree with a lot of things.

I thought sig looked good at a point but I don't remember why.

Zexy is a bit iffy? But may be playstyle.

Golden game saying things I definitely follow.

The guy with the red/pink avatar gives iffy vibes too.

I do vibe reads a lot. Deal with it.

Oh, and I remember PSI, who is the only one I've played a few games with, I agree with him calling the claiming plan potentially messy, so town point for that, kind of.

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Regarding claiming actions:
There is a risk to this, and that is that it will be easier for mafia to read into posts and find PTs in two ways: 1. How different people act around claiming. And 2. They will be able to cross someone off the list as "not that PT" - and remember mafia do know what PT they are looking for. So for example if they are looking for a Tracker, and player A claims "Tracked player C and got no result", but players C is scum and did target someone, then mafia knows player A is not a Tracker. There's different versions of this.

Apart from that hypo-claiming would be messy and confusing imo, and I'd rather not deal with it.

I'm of the (maybe controvertial?) opinion that PT is not the be all end all of town, but rather town together needs to find and kill scum. That is the mission and is being done by voting in thread primarily. Yes, it's nice having working PTs, but I think it's a valid and good enough strategy to have PT claim information when they have something useful to say like a Tracker result that leads to a dead body i.e. We don't really need to know who the Tracker saw sleeping like an angel in their bed imo.

I'll go with whatever the majority wants, but I'd really like to just drop the whole PT discussion and scum hunt as normal.

Zexy wrote:Well, Dizzy, all previous posts weren’t really about analysis on things… this would be your second and it involves only me, again. Hope I don’t end up being your tunnel target…

This is peculiar! I kind of love it, cause I'm confused now. Why do you think I'd tunnel you or tunnel at all? I'm merely joking around/taking RVS seriously.

sig wrote:I want a kiss. Unless you have diseases then I don't want a kiss.

Town.

Long Con wrote:Seems like an attempt to get through loopholes. I wouldn't allow it as a host.

You'd rather have the mafia NK pr before they have the chance to share useful information?Well that's a town mindset if I ever saw one!
+ It's totally fair play, but probably messy in this setup (which I'll get back to why I think)

Sloonei wrote:@ sig: I would never encourage an early bandwagon. I just moved my vote off my top suspect at the moment (Frog) because 2 other people voted for him.

Why?? Why are people so afraid of voting. Wagons are fun. Give me wagons and lots of votes plz! Bloooood!
- Kisses

Frog wrote:It's quite sad to see your scum game Zexy

Ultimately you're shoving a false narrative that straddles every side. I don't like it.

Didn't you hard call Zexy town like a paga ago?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, now that you're here and self-voted, I don't feel like voting for you anymore. :P

Marco wrote:Thanks for the info. I was asking particularly because of the hammer mechanic. As I might want to not have my vote count against anyone while I'm offline. eg: I vote for MovingPictures07 but he convinces me that he's town. I don't have any suspects for now, so I don't change my vote. While I'm away and offline, MP can get hammered.

Is it normal for you to not have any suspects or not at least someone worth putting pressure on? It seems strange to me, cause I feel very different about voting. Voting is good. All the cool kids are doing it.

sig wrote:Two things
1. MP didn't place his vote for Zebra

Should he?/What's the story?

sig wrote:So why is it scummy that I'm posting and trying to get some content, since from where I sit it looks like your trying to stifle discussion.

Nope.

Zexy wrote:I’m not that sure IAWY’s entrance in the thread was towny, sig. But it’s not necessarily scummy either. Thanks for the meta advice on MP.

Can someone give us meta on Long Con? That’s a strange entrance they make there, but it feels like it’s their thing.

Sloonei, do you know sig well enough to consider their actions as scummy? I can see your points, but if it’s something sig does regardless of alignment we need to cut some slack. Sig gave thoughts on Sloonei and I can't say I disagree either.

This post points in all directions.

Marco wrote:Dyslexicon, what would you say your normal activity level in a game is?

Quite active. There was a time when I lurked a lot as scum, but that's been a while now. Otherwise it depends on how much time I have. Don't know how new format/people will factor in on this or any other aspect of my play. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- Zexy asks something that has already kind of been answered by sig, but corrects himself since he didn't see that post, which is a shame cause I had a good cat gif for that one.

Sloonei wrote:What do you define as RVS and why is it "not game solvey"?

As much as I find that debate potentially interesting, I don't think that is a very relevant question? How will it help you find mafia?

Frog wrote:Please don't self lynch bait

Imagine the setup further down the line and there is no way to prove your alignment (aka vanilla-esque game). By opening with a self-lynch bait and no way to 'clear' yourself, if you end up in F3 scenario, you're going to be untrustworthy from the beginning.

1. You are either lying about your alignment - untrustworthy
or
2. You are mafia - untrustworthy

It's a lose-lose type of situation.

I'm just going to ask you straight up:
1) Were you kidding about being in the mafia?
2) Tell me you're town.

I understand none of this post and I think we have rather different playstyles.
Also, I'm untrustworthy by definition.
- Kisses.

Psittaciform wrote:I'll just note on this that Zexy is also prone to analyze anything he can and try to set himself up as a town leader, which can (at least partly) explain why he's going to Sig's defense here over that.

This is useful information. Does it usually take the form of the rather inconclusive maybe this, but maybe this? Zexy can clarify this too if he wants. Thing is he is commenting on a lot, but no stances. Not sure it's a problem, cause I definitely can relate to a point (probably doing it right now), but it is a thing I noticed.

Sloonei wrote:If you are town it is always useful for you to help other townies to read you as town.

Zexy wrote:Well, Dizzy, I said you look too comfortable while doing this all which feels towny. This is your first serious post btw, interesting way to start there…

Intersting take on my posts...

Oh and I use the terms scum and town. And I refuse to use any other. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zexy wrote:Frog's post just above my latest one has a really weird layout for me is it a screenshot or?

kk Dizzy is really PerC style quirky. I lean town because he feels too comfortable doing this.

Shouldn't you question whether or not I'd do this as scum too though?

*throws not so subtle shade while still not being here*

Hey, who moved their vote from Frog? He had such nice votes.

Meanies.

/is really going though.

Alright. I'm just going to blend into the background so you guys get some time to develop some disputes. Then I will point at the scums using the highly scientific method of "spin the bottle".

- Kisses

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:*makes content*

This is totally content. Contented content. *nods knowingly*

This man(?) has clearly shown clear civilian behavior in this post. DX is cleared!

May I call you DX? Do you have a preferred nickname?

Omg! I'm so glad you asked this! The last thing, that is!

I go by Dizzy on my home forum, and I'm actually very fond of that nickname. Probably because I was neither cool enough or important enough to be given a nickname in school. So, please, if you will, call me Dizzy.

You know those dogs that responds to any name if you just say them in a goofy, happy tone? I'm not that dog. I'm actually not a dog at all. Surprised as you may be, I am a cat, for sure.

Best question yet pretends that I have read the thread and you will be my strongest town read for the rest of the game. Nice going!^^

Marco wrote:Dyslexicon, what would you say your normal activity level in a game is?

My lips are sealed! This is most sacred information that I will keep close to my chest.
It would be of no use to me if people knew I was a total post whore, typically, in my home forum.

Sloonei wrote:I mean VOTE FROG

I agree.

VOTE FROG

Besides, he buddied me in the sign up thread.

*makes content*

This is totally content. Contented content. *nods knowingly*

Dyslexicon wrote:Hi!

Bai!

Hi!