The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:50 amFalcon isn’t in my town reads and therefore is a good chop.

Honestly, I’m just gonna take marmots word for it that if your town it’s self resolving due to how good he says you are.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:51 amWell I WAS.
As a placeholder till I set a real vote of which I did.

Got it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

I mean, I do have different feels of you two. Also, don't care to apologise for Nanook. But I'm so over him pissing people off with his play and then throwing away a lot of energy on that. It happens a lot. I think Nanook enjoys it and does zero effort to extend a hand, but I can't do anything about that.

But good, you're here and I would love to know where you're at.

As for "lazy vote", whatever. It's a vote I'm good with at this point in the game, considering everyone in it. It's as lazy as my involvement in the game so far - not very lazy imo.

So there should be like 8-9 hours before day end, yes?

I'm heading out the door just now, but I'll be around at day end and in good time before.

I'm not clear on what @fingersplints suspicion on Koba is. To me it looks like more personality clash. If this is not the case, I would love a recap of why that is the vote.

I don't remember why anyone who's voting Falcon is. I think Koba voted him in relation to Falcon jumping on the Koba wagon, but that's it.

@Alison Where are you? Weren't you complaining about no solving and no content?

@hollowkatt Are you happy with your Invictus vote? If so, how are you going to convince us that he's scum here?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'm inferring that your vote on Tony is both game plow and lack of town read. If there's more to it, please share?

In general, we need to come together and make a decision here. I'm on Long Con now. He doesn't have that much content. I'm not married to my vote. Does anyone have good suggestions, who is the most likely to flip scum, why?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:13 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:18 am @Gavial Why on earth are you sleeping Alison on yourself?

I’m not.
I’m sheeping Alison on myself.
And saying it how you did is quite a naughty way to think eh?

I blame auto correct!

But yes, you understand the question, don't you? Can you answer this - why are you sheeping Alison on yourself?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:57 amCan we do Falcon instead of LC?
I have a clear on them based on their Koba response.

That is not a clear at all in my eyes. You said "scum would not do that", to which both me and Marmot said we would definitely do that as scum. And I don't see why LC wouldn't at all.

But sure, what are the reasons you want Falcon chopped here?

Also, did you lose interest in trying to hang me? Did you want this at one point? What happened?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:53 amI'm deeply reluctant to ever give seth (gavial is seth btw) a true townread

Can you say why please?

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 am Idk if I should be concerned or happy with the amount of overlap I have with dizzy as it could mean we're on the PERFECT TRACK or on the PEEFECT TRACK TO DOOM.

Still waiting for one more town tell from him to be completely certain

*town tells!*

@Gavial Why on earth are you sleeping Alison on yourself?

Fingers is a strong town read for me.

Invictus is a town read for me. We're on the same wavelength.

Gavial is weird as hell, and his thoughts makes no sense to me, but he's probably town ??? Others who knows him better should chime in on this.

SPF has a good direction. Funnily enough, the more she posts, the less certain I am that she's town. But her direction seems not bad at least.

DkK is a town read for me as well. How they self meta'd and said something like "Learn to read my play style. This is actually lean town imo (but I'm biased)" is exactly how I feel and how I phrase things a lot as town when I feel misunderstood. His annoyance towards Nanook is also towny to me.

Marmot gave me a few town vibes. Probably nothing substantial, but not really where I'm interested to vote.

Falcon haven't said much. I haven't been pinged by any of his posts thought.

Hollow, I guess could go either way. But honestly, the lack of trying to "get someone" could indicate that he's town ???

Nanook is nanook is nanook is actually probably fine. The reason is that I feel his answers has a feel of "Actually, my play is a good enough town play" instead of "I am going to be nanook". Don't know if that makes sense to anyone.

Which leaves Alison, LC and Tony. Had some early town vibes on Tony which doesn't hold up at all for me right now. But I haven't seen him do anything scummy. Alison, I can't really read. But I don't have a reason to think them town. I actually thought her early Gavial accusation was kind of weird. LC has hardly made an impact, and from memory, he usually vibes town to me when he is.

So this is probably too many town reads, mild and not so mild. And it could of course be off. I'm not totally convinced of anything tbh, except Finger's is probably my strongest town read actually.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

So I guess:

Strong town: Fingers
Town: Invictus, DdK
Probably town: Spf, Gavial
Mild town: Marmot, Nanook
Meh but not scummy perhaps: Falcon, Hollow, Tony
Meh: Alison, LC


For now.

I have been thinking about Hollow. I mildly expected him to be more resistant to votes and pushing, as either alignment really. He tends to be more aggressive and loud in my experience. This relative apathy is [a thing that I think about]. I could read it multiple ways, but it's not scummy in itself. What I do feel is that he's given very few actual stances that shows he's deeply solving or perhaps just shows that he has any reads he's convinced of. I'd really like to see more solving from @hollowkatt

Thanks, spf.

@DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.

This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC. He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:07 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:02 am spf what is ur read on me

gth? town. i don't really know yet, though. it's too early

Do you have meta here, and can you elaborate on them if you do?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:57 am i think that nanook's reaction is a little villagery

As is Dkk's.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:55 am Anyways I gave reads idk what you're complaining about, does it tilt you that much that I'm also having fun

You know you tilt someone pretty much every game you play lol. That responsibility is fully shared by you. And then someone ends up having to mediate that.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:52 amwell, nanook playing a coasty game doesnt mean that he doesn't have specific alignment tells - i pegged him as maf in a recent mash game even though he was one of the lowest posters in the thread. i am neutral about his alignment so far but i don't think he's an impossible read

it might be easier to read him accurately if his activity was higher, but that's true for a lot of people

I think I've actually read him correctly every time we've played together (counting from when I got to know him more). Only one scum game though, in which he was always in my PoE, and in other games when he was town, he has eventually become a town read. I'm also pretty neutral on him now though, but not really that worried.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 amis this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

Yes, and he frequently pisses people off with his play style. It's pretty tiring. Trick is to see beyond all the discussions about how he's not playing the game the way everyone wants him to, and look at his actual content.

So far he's said that Gavial town slipped and has some town reads.

Speaking of, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME from memory I don't think you listed Gavial in your town reads, but you still said he town slipped. How come?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

This is a good thought, especially the very last part.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:32 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:30 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm Also seth just town slipped pretty sure, fyi

Who's Seth?

I think Seth is Gavial

Ok, thanks.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:27 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:26 pm hey @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wanna explain why you're silent voting?

Maybe he’s scum that wants to spite me because I said scum doesn’t vote you right after that post you made.

Spite and trolling are fun and not inherently scummy imo.

If anything, I think doing shit that should look bad is slightly more town-leaning, because it means the person isn't as concerned about needing to fit a townie profile.

Fwiw this is the first I've seen seth say that

You're missing stuff here, I think. And Marmot is Seth? I did not know.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm Also seth just town slipped pretty sure, fyi

Who's Seth?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 pmStop claiming Vanilla!

Stop fucking pointing that out, jeez. Whether it's the actual case, that's just wildly unnecessary. Just stop it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:46 pmI was pretty explicit I'm not taking this game seriously until d3 or d4 at the earliest, you're free to ignore me until that time!

What's sad about this is that I don't get to play with you. And I like to play with you and I value your opinions.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:40 pmcause it's weaksauce and easy to make and incredibly hard to determine if it's faked or not. While there are some people (yours truly) who would appear "drained" after a string of wolf rands I don't think that's universal enough to say "player x has vim and vigor and therefore is town"

Alright. I don't think it's the best reasoning myself tbh. But I also feel that it's not a good write up of Invictus's actual read on me, but that's just me filling out blanks which I tend to do (maybe too much). What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's weird for Invictus to town read me here if he's town. And I do hate playing as mafia, but I always try hard.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:18 pm I was very ready for Marmot to be scum, but he seems very relaxed, and that's a vibe that I associate with town!Marmot.

I'm starting to have perhaps too many town reads or reasons to think people town. I'll try sort out who gives the strongest vibes.

how many town reads is too many?

10 =p

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:33 pmyeah, it's a soft sus, but I'd still like to understand the thought process between those back to back posts
I'm fine with you all up in my hair, it's comfy

Spoiler: show

am I flirting right?

Alright.

And yes, I did feel a little tingly.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:43 pmthe first quote has a level of spiciness that is utterly let down by the second quote. why assertively call alison scum and then back off from that read before alison (or anyone, for that matter) had the opportunity to react?

I don't plan lines. I do and want different things at the same time. I'll always get dragged into honest and wordy more than not. And honest thoughts is I don't know how to read Alison, and I'm probably generally prone to just be uncomfortable with her alignment wise. So I have sparks and thoughts and maybes and wants to randomly push, and then I have longer considerations, at the same time, and that is what you're seeing. I'm pretty sure this is not unique though. And in this case I never had a real thought of being convinced of Alison as scum. Just a possibility/worry.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:52 pm And now for @staypositivefriend to solve the game. Please and thank you.

here's my solve: i'm gay!

Acceptable.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:13 pm btw long con is town here always - ill explain later, its a weird one but trust me, its legit science.

You really need to explain this to me, cause he's one of the players I have had no town indicators from now. So awaiting elaboration on this.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:03 pmnah, you said I was shrug, so I was asking if you vote your shrugs often

Yes, I do that a lot. Especially D1. I also often have a hard time getting hard scum reads for wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt x10. Also especially on D1.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:01 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:59 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:58 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:46 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:42 pm There is 0 % chance of me doing that lol

then suffer

Yea, don’t really see how I’m “suffering”
It’s kind of on you at this point to prove your town in this game, not expect others to read several games on other sites. I’m not going to waste my time with that.

i dont need to prove anythign to you except with my unique dayplay that will deliver 3 scum into the path of a silver bullet

then suffer

[VOTE: DkKoba] aubergine

I'm living for the drama. But I honestly think you are both town. /however many cents

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:52 pmI think it's weird that two people voted a zero poster and you seem fine with that. Do you have TMI that dizzy is town?

That's kind of what I asked myself with you. For how worried you got about a lingering two vote wagon on me, that I might not get out of. Why would it be a bad thing, what if I was scum? Anyway... I don't knooow

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:51 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:41 pm fwiw i also think dizzy is town and it's mostly based on energy and early involvement. if what he's saying about not playing for a bit is honest then that means his most recent game was on mafiacafe was when he was scum and prior to that game he was also scum a few times all in close proximity to one another and id assume another scum/wolf rand would have him coming out with low energy again(as he did in that last mafiacafe game) as he probably wouldn't be up for it.

I super hate this read

Why?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:25 pm my pronouns are underneath my profile pic

Sorry! I'll make an effort to be better about it.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:50 pmit always bothers me when there's a wagon, even if only 2, on someone who hasn't posted yet. One vote is fine, people do that all the time. A second vote is weird and I don't understand it. I mean if they're flirting there's better ways, this is like that jerk boy pulling pigtails because he's a jerk

I really don't see the issue at all. It's RVS, practically meaningless. What I'd say is it's probably marginally more productive to RVS someone who's around.

I still don't get it. Might be genuine from you, but I don't get it fmpov.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:38 pm DkKoba really reminds me so much of this player from back in the day. Which if this play is similar it really doesn’t mean much. Could be town, but could just as easily be mafia. I’m still hoping someone will come in and say what they usually play like (Who isn’t DkK them self) because as of now it’s still really not sitting great with me. it just seems a bit early for this kind of aggressive play. They created much more suspicion than they had on themselves with this response.

I really felt the energy was just town. Particularly the "If scum think they're going to get me, they got another thing coming!" kind of sentiment.

That said, I also am not familiar with Dkk. So I'll eagerly await some insight into if he's aggressive like this and likes to fake bravado as scum. But for now, a strong guess at town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:27 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:26 pm hey @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wanna explain why you're silent voting?

Maybe he’s scum that wants to spite me because I said scum doesn’t vote you right after that post you made.

Spite and trolling are fun and not inherently scummy imo.

If anything, I think doing shit that should look bad is slightly more town-leaning, because it means the person isn't as concerned about needing to fit a townie profile.

Yes. Except when people think it's particularly funny when they are in fact scum. Like you (and me sometimes)

I was very ready for Marmot to be scum, but he seems very relaxed, and that's a vibe that I associate with town!Marmot.

I'm starting to have perhaps too many town reads or reasons to think people town. I'll try sort out who gives the strongest vibes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:25 pm I would absolutely vote that.

As would I. Referring to Gavial's "no scum would do that"-post.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:17 pmJust like you said in your above post, Dizzy is an out of this world wolf so you could also be falling for their trap.
Importantly together we should rebel against Dizzy!
I mean I kinda had a similar vibe that HK had but SoD reads usually don’t mean much but SoD mind melts on the other hand or Angling, that’s something that is AI.

What on earth?

You don't even know me. What's your problem here? Talk to me about it. I can't quite gather if you're serious in your suspicions or just saying words.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:14 pm @Alison
What’s your reach read? Since you seem to think the one on me isn’t and you have one your hiding.

She already said. It was spf town for not forcing content in a slow moving game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:10 pm Current quick takes.

Alison is town for pushing for activity.
Dizzy is town for reasonable reads and OMGUSing. Good luck surviving til Day 2 Dizzy.
I am town because my rolecard says so.

See this scum warning he's going to kill me N1. Tsk tsk.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:04 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:02 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:57 pmDizzy's wolfing ability is out of this world, and he must be dealt with immediately.

Also, I'm quite pretty. It's unfair, really. But are you going to try to read me this game for real for real? Now is the time to start \o/

I've already locktown'd you, but I'm willing to reconsider.

Very fair.

I, however, have far from locktown'd you!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:36 pmHow do you go from agreeing with SPF to saying there might be a wolf between Dizzy and SPF?

Serious question: Can you not agree with someone's town read on someone, but still think the person giving the read could be scum? Imo that happens like all the time?

I thought the back to back juxtaposition of those two posts was interesting and wanted to hear what Gavial had to say about it.
Sure, it's possible that's whats happening, but generally if I'm sus on someone and they're giving off reads I tend to question those a bit instead of just agreeing with them, especially if with my next post I say there might be a wolf in a group that contains the person I just agreed with.

I'd want to explore more why/how that person got to where they did

I mean, his sus on me/spf was very "there might be a wolf here", certainly didn't read like a strong suspicion to me and not founded on anything. I get the surface level of what you're saying, but I just don't see it in this instance.

And maybe I'm just getting all up in your hair, but your process haven't made sense to me at all so far. Is this normal? It might be.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:57 pmDizzy's wolfing ability is out of this world, and he must be dealt with immediately.

Also, I'm quite pretty. It's unfair, really. But are you going to try to read me this game for real for real? Now is the time to start \o/

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:24 pmyou vote shrugs often?

I'm not sure what you're asking. If you're asking if I shrug off votes often, then it's a no normally (depending) and a yes when it's RVS votes when I haven't even posted or other votes that are obviously not serious.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:58 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:09 pm Also if you're scum trying to shade me and a certain membee happens to be town, prepare to get epically owned

I fully buy this as town tbh. This is the energy.

Referring to that whole line of responses btw

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:09 pm Also if you're scum trying to shade me and a certain membee happens to be town, prepare to get epically owned

I fully buy this as town tbh. This is the energy.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:36 pmHow do you go from agreeing with SPF to saying there might be a wolf between Dizzy and SPF?

Serious question: Can you not agree with someone's town read on someone, but still think the person giving the read could be scum? Imo that happens like all the time?